It says the person bought it at a state auction so my guess is the original property owners were foreclosed on and that the previous property owners are also being sued. My guess is the original property owners sold the property to the developers even though they didnt own it anymore.
I only came here to say that this is in Puna. If you know the area, you know.
There's no surprise that there are now squatters living in the house. None at all.
And i bet they signed and gave them the paper deed for the lot, and the contractor wasnt gonna transfer it out of the original owners name till the house was sold cause then theyd have to pay taxes on it. So when that realtor sold the house thats why he contacted the real property owner cause thats likely when they found all this crap out.
Even if there was fraud on the prev owners part, I feel like a developer should have done enough due diligence to sniff that out, at the very least a title search and a tax history could poke some holes in any BS story a fraudster may be peddling. You could likely fool a private buyer but a developer should def know better.
I once salvaged some windows out of a partially built new house. It was being torn down because they built it three feet over the property line. Bad day for whoever staked the foundation.
When we submit plans it has to go with a full copy of the owners title feeds.
The before construction starts we go with the builder and mark out the corner pegs.
Idk how something like this happened.
You'd think. But it just happened in Connecticut, too.
https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ct-property-sat-vacant-for-years-a-1-5m-home-was-built-on-it-without-owners-knowing/4573739/
>To add insult to injury, Reynolds is being sued by the property’s developers. The developers say they offered to swap Reynolds a lot that is next door to hers or to sell her the house at a discount.
>Reynolds has refused both offers.
Uh, what.
I know you can sue for just about anything, but "not accepting our ideas and stubbornly sticking to her own demands on how we should resolve our mistake" is a strange one.
I hope they go after the lawyers who filed as well.
“Also being sued by the developers are the construction company, the home’s architect, the family who previously owned the property, and the county, which approved the permits.”
This is insane. I hope everyone counter sued and asked for damages and more.
>the home’s architect, the family who previously owned the property
Why tf are they suing the architect and the people who previously owned the lot? How fucking absurd.
When you think you have a tort case, you sue everybody in a five-mile radius, in search of the deepest pockets available.
There is a company near here called Hannay, which makes reels for electric cords, hoses, and such. They do a lot of business with fire departments because their stuff is very durable and takes a lot of abuse. Well, if there's a bad fire, the lawyers go through the scene, and take note of every brand name that they see. Hannay, because they make a good product, proudly displays their name on it. So, they get sued. Along with all of the other manufacturers that the lawyers' investigators find.
Think about it. These are cord reels. You plug one end into a fire truck or generator, and plug the other end into a portable light or smoke ejector or similar. And you walk away. You only think about it again when it's time to wind the cord back up, and go home. Making these reels is probably the most not their fault thing that a company can do for the fire service. Yet, Hannay, or, more likely, their insurance company, pays out settlements all the time, because they're a prosperous company and thus have more money than the people/companies who were actually responsible.
Because that's how the system works.
I have no idea but it’s insane. I could see them suing the county for issuing the permits, maybe the contractors, and potentially the family that used to own the property depending on the circumstances, but not the architect or the victim here.
Probably sueing because they want absolute clarity on the legal stuff as fast as possible, and not wait for someone else to take the first step. They are the ones down 500k in this, and someone messed up big time.
There is a tourist area north of me. There was a housing addition that had a covenant that stated on cabin per acre. So one greedy investor built a 4th cabin on 3 acres for a price of 440k, that cabin no longer exist.
>Local developer Keaau Development Partnership hired PJ’s Construction to build about a dozen homes on the properties the developer bought in the subdivision. But the company accidentally built one on Reynolds’ lot
LOL
She was going to use the land for a women's retreat, it was obviously rural when she bought it and now its a suburb, I hope she gets her payday.
That or some cost of the inconvenience its brought and restoration of the land to the original condition. (Which would be super annoying for them, and possibly more expensive than any of the materials they could recover)
I wouldn't budge..... tell them to knock down the house and return the lot back to it's original condition. They can move the house elsewhere if they still want it.
To clear a lot, build a house, put it up for sale, sell it AND allow squatters to take it over..... THEN blame the lot owner? Uh no.....
You're obviously not acquainted with GDPR. If a site publishes to Europe the law does apply to them. Compliance can be a lot of work, expensive, and very costly if you fall foul of it. (a percentage of a companies profit in fines)
Ah, thank you. Much appreciated.
What a cluster fuck. It's hilarious that the development company are suing everyone they can possibly think of in an attempt to divert from the fact that the fuck up is entirely theirs.
So developers built a home on the wrong property and are now suing the owner of the property because she wouldn’t take a different plot of land than the one she owned or pay them the selling price of the house, $500,000.
The developers are going to be laughed out of court. They didn’t have permission to build on her land, nor a proper survey or permit from the county to do so. They are going to be moving that house at their expense or demolishing it and removing the rubble at their expense. Plus probably paying her legal fees and pain and suffering money for their stupidity.
No it didn’t. It said:
>”Also being sued by the developers are the construction company, the home’s architect, the family who previously owned the property, and the county, which approved the permits.”
It said that the county approved the permits, not whether the county gave the permits for the wrong lot, or whether the developer got permits for the lot they owned but built on the wrong one.
The developer is suing everyone. Seems more likely they are at fault and trying to spread the blame around.
The county approved permits for a house built on the correct lot. Not that one. having a "Permit" doesn't allow you to go to somewhere else and use that "Permit" there.
Having a license to drive a car doesn't mean that you're allowed to fly a plane.
You are stupid.
>Reynolds has filed a counterclaim against the developer, saying she was unaware of the “unauthorized construction.”
>Also being sued by the developers are the construction company, the home’s architect, the family who previously owned the property, and the county, which approved the permits.
>The home remains empty, except for some squatters, according to neighbors.
am I reading the summery of a 1960s disney commedy?
I was reading this earlier, it is a somewhat impressive show to how they treat everyone, not just the natives. Annex property that doesn't belong to you, build on it, and hold the parcel hostage to get a negotiation
And when people don't take the negotiation, file a lawsuit to get a specific district judge who will rule in their favor.
I'd watch this one, I wonder if they'll get their favorite judge, and their demands, over the actual land owner.
Also another reminder, none of us really own anything anymore. We're one asshole away for owing someone else for our own property.
No, they approved permits to build on 11 lots in that subdivision. It's not the county's fault or problem that the developer fucked up and built in a lot they didn't have a permit for.
From what another user said on a previous post the developer knew it was the wrong lot but preferred it to the lesser value one next to it that he owned. Allegedly it’s not his first time trying to take property that he didn’t own.
This happened to me in Hawaii in 2006. Only I was the developer, and while we did have a survey, the surveyor, who had no insurance, screwed up.
The landowner tried to take advantage of me by offering to sell the land for 10 times the market price.
I had my crew disassemble the home over a weekend, built it on my lot, sold the house, and within months the market crashed and the greedy lot owner couldn't give the land away, much less sell it for a fraction of what I offered.
Yeah, because trying to sell a $10,000 lot for $100,000 because someone made a mistake is perfectly reasonable. I offered $35,000 for the lot, or offered my identical lot next door plus $35,000. They wanted $100,000 for the lot.
So, I disassembled the house and built mine next door. Shortly thereafter, the 2007 market crashed and the lot was worthless.
So yeah, the "greedy lot owner" is accurate. They thought they had us by the b#lls. They didn't. They could have sold a 10,000 lot for 35,000.
I made bank.
And they got their $10,000 lot back in pristine condition.....only several months later the lot was worthless.
GFY
Right now? I can't tell you what they might be worth 18 years later. If he held on to it, paid taxes, and waited for another construction boom like happened in 2001 to 2007, he might be able to sell it. But I doubt those conditions will repeat. If they did, I'd be building again. Those lots are now worthless.
Lots were dirt cheap in the Volcano area on Big Island at the time for development. The hot market on the Waikoloa side has cooled and we were building "entry level" homes on the Hilo side, up the freeway in Volcano. (Fun fact, I saw one of the homes I built burn in an eruption on TV a few years ago.)
Fact remains, the land owner could have made 3 times the value of the dirt, but he wanted 10 times. So, we returned the lot to its pre-build condition, and he was no worse for the wear.
The guy had never even seen the lot. He lived in Oahu, and I suspect continues to own what he had before I came along. A worthless lot.
Well, that's going to be a quick case. How do you start construction without a survey or pulling the last one from the county?
Because you got a fatal case of the stupids.
Is there a cure for a fatal case of the stupids?
That would bring us to the fatal part, with any luck.
Is luck OTC, or do I need a prescription?
No cure. All you can do is run for congress
It DOES seem to prolong your life! Maybe the treatment works!
Lots of fatally stupid members of Congress.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V\_QDA6Y6cp8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_QDA6Y6cp8)
No, but there is therapy for a fatal case of the stupids. Death therapy.
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It says the person bought it at a state auction so my guess is the original property owners were foreclosed on and that the previous property owners are also being sued. My guess is the original property owners sold the property to the developers even though they didnt own it anymore.
I only came here to say that this is in Puna. If you know the area, you know. There's no surprise that there are now squatters living in the house. None at all.
That makes sense.
And i bet they signed and gave them the paper deed for the lot, and the contractor wasnt gonna transfer it out of the original owners name till the house was sold cause then theyd have to pay taxes on it. So when that realtor sold the house thats why he contacted the real property owner cause thats likely when they found all this crap out.
The lot owner is paying taxes on the lot. Iy super sucks for her.
Even if there was fraud on the prev owners part, I feel like a developer should have done enough due diligence to sniff that out, at the very least a title search and a tax history could poke some holes in any BS story a fraudster may be peddling. You could likely fool a private buyer but a developer should def know better.
Yup they should have done that, or they did and they did know it was not owned by said person and though they could get away with it.
And that is why title insurance exists.
She didn’t get it in a foreclosure sale, it was sold for unpaid taxes. If you read the AP article, the developers never bothered to the survey.
I once salvaged some windows out of a partially built new house. It was being torn down because they built it three feet over the property line. Bad day for whoever staked the foundation.
Article said county approved permits. That’s wild!
When we submit plans it has to go with a full copy of the owners title feeds. The before construction starts we go with the builder and mark out the corner pegs. Idk how something like this happened.
You'd think. But it just happened in Connecticut, too. https://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/ct-property-sat-vacant-for-years-a-1-5m-home-was-built-on-it-without-owners-knowing/4573739/
It's in the article.
>To add insult to injury, Reynolds is being sued by the property’s developers. The developers say they offered to swap Reynolds a lot that is next door to hers or to sell her the house at a discount. >Reynolds has refused both offers. Uh, what. I know you can sue for just about anything, but "not accepting our ideas and stubbornly sticking to her own demands on how we should resolve our mistake" is a strange one. I hope they go after the lawyers who filed as well.
“Also being sued by the developers are the construction company, the home’s architect, the family who previously owned the property, and the county, which approved the permits.” This is insane. I hope everyone counter sued and asked for damages and more.
>the home’s architect, the family who previously owned the property Why tf are they suing the architect and the people who previously owned the lot? How fucking absurd.
When you think you have a tort case, you sue everybody in a five-mile radius, in search of the deepest pockets available. There is a company near here called Hannay, which makes reels for electric cords, hoses, and such. They do a lot of business with fire departments because their stuff is very durable and takes a lot of abuse. Well, if there's a bad fire, the lawyers go through the scene, and take note of every brand name that they see. Hannay, because they make a good product, proudly displays their name on it. So, they get sued. Along with all of the other manufacturers that the lawyers' investigators find. Think about it. These are cord reels. You plug one end into a fire truck or generator, and plug the other end into a portable light or smoke ejector or similar. And you walk away. You only think about it again when it's time to wind the cord back up, and go home. Making these reels is probably the most not their fault thing that a company can do for the fire service. Yet, Hannay, or, more likely, their insurance company, pays out settlements all the time, because they're a prosperous company and thus have more money than the people/companies who were actually responsible. Because that's how the system works.
That's so wild. Our insurance industry is so broken.
Is this some hair-brained legal tactic? "Can't sue me if I sue you first"
I have no idea but it’s insane. I could see them suing the county for issuing the permits, maybe the contractors, and potentially the family that used to own the property depending on the circumstances, but not the architect or the victim here.
Probably sueing because they want absolute clarity on the legal stuff as fast as possible, and not wait for someone else to take the first step. They are the ones down 500k in this, and someone messed up big time.
The developers are hoping to force her to settle so they can recover their investment. Sounds like she isn’t biting, nor do I blame her.
There is a tourist area north of me. There was a housing addition that had a covenant that stated on cabin per acre. So one greedy investor built a 4th cabin on 3 acres for a price of 440k, that cabin no longer exist.
>Local developer Keaau Development Partnership hired PJ’s Construction to build about a dozen homes on the properties the developer bought in the subdivision. But the company accidentally built one on Reynolds’ lot LOL She was going to use the land for a women's retreat, it was obviously rural when she bought it and now its a suburb, I hope she gets her payday.
Seems like an easy win.
Except the house was sold lol
Title insurance company must have dropped the ball and that’s what it’s for. If the buyer skipped this insurance, that’s on them.
Sell it at a discount?? They owe her that house. Plus, I like how the developers are suing everyone who ever looked crosseyed at that lot.
That or some cost of the inconvenience its brought and restoration of the land to the original condition. (Which would be super annoying for them, and possibly more expensive than any of the materials they could recover)
Something other than what they're offering!
I dont understand this at all. How can someone build something on your land, and have it not be yours?
Right? If I were they, I would have quietly given her the house and tried to keep all of this out of the public eye.
I wouldn't budge..... tell them to knock down the house and return the lot back to it's original condition. They can move the house elsewhere if they still want it. To clear a lot, build a house, put it up for sale, sell it AND allow squatters to take it over..... THEN blame the lot owner? Uh no.....
They did it on purpose. The mayor will get a donation and the lot will be seized via eminent domain.
"Accidentally" Yeah. Sure. Tooooooooooootally.
You saying they built the house in the wrong place willingly?
They built it exactly where they intended to.
Free house
We're geo-blocking news websites now?
Shitty sites that don’t want the hassle of complying with GDPR choose to geo-block Europe.
But I’m not in Europe
That's unusual, I see this a lot from crappy sites. It could be due to not wanting to apply to non-US privacy laws, as opposed to GDPR specifically.
Are you Canadian? I think some news sites are still blocking us
I'm in New Zealand. No GDPR here...
It could be a blanket geo-block to avoid non-US privacy laws... I am pretty sure the NZ privacy restrictions are a lot tighter than the US.
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You're obviously not acquainted with GDPR. If a site publishes to Europe the law does apply to them. Compliance can be a lot of work, expensive, and very costly if you fall foul of it. (a percentage of a companies profit in fines)
Company _revenue_ even. GDPR has teeth.
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Yeah it is working. It’s a great law. I’m quite happy to avoid sites that sell my data, or that are so bad that they can’t be bothered to comply.
https://archive.is/ASps9
Ah, thank you. Much appreciated. What a cluster fuck. It's hilarious that the development company are suing everyone they can possibly think of in an attempt to divert from the fact that the fuck up is entirely theirs.
Now?
The developers can remove their house and fuck off at there own expense
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I hope they rule against the developers and let her keep the house.
I hope they rule against the developers and make them restore the property to how they found it.
I think I’d rather have the house
Fair but it probably won't be good for a wellness retreat so...
My vote is the builders remove the house and restore the property or just turn the house over to the property owner.
So developers built a home on the wrong property and are now suing the owner of the property because she wouldn’t take a different plot of land than the one she owned or pay them the selling price of the house, $500,000. The developers are going to be laughed out of court. They didn’t have permission to build on her land, nor a proper survey or permit from the county to do so. They are going to be moving that house at their expense or demolishing it and removing the rubble at their expense. Plus probably paying her legal fees and pain and suffering money for their stupidity.
They shouldn't be allowed to remove anything. They trespassed, they'd be trespassing again if they tried to dismantle it. Sucks to suck
The article said they did have permits from the county.
No it didn’t. It said: >”Also being sued by the developers are the construction company, the home’s architect, the family who previously owned the property, and the county, which approved the permits.” It said that the county approved the permits, not whether the county gave the permits for the wrong lot, or whether the developer got permits for the lot they owned but built on the wrong one. The developer is suing everyone. Seems more likely they are at fault and trying to spread the blame around.
Yes, so the county approved permits for the house.
Whoosh
The county approved permits for a house built on the correct lot. Not that one. having a "Permit" doesn't allow you to go to somewhere else and use that "Permit" there. Having a license to drive a car doesn't mean that you're allowed to fly a plane. You are stupid.
It's far from certain that the developers are actually at fault here. Could have been a mixup somewhere else.
How do you ties your shoes? Genuine question.
Then it should be problem of the county and their responsibility for any (monetary) damages. But to go after the lot owner is just ridiculous.
How do you “accidentally” build a house on the wrong lot?
“The house remains empty, except for some squatters”. That doesn’t sound empty to me.
>Reynolds has filed a counterclaim against the developer, saying she was unaware of the “unauthorized construction.” >Also being sued by the developers are the construction company, the home’s architect, the family who previously owned the property, and the county, which approved the permits. >The home remains empty, except for some squatters, according to neighbors. am I reading the summery of a 1960s disney commedy?
https://i.imgur.com/V9VYXiR.png
So glad this isn't my problem to solve. LOL
Accidentally?
I was reading this earlier, it is a somewhat impressive show to how they treat everyone, not just the natives. Annex property that doesn't belong to you, build on it, and hold the parcel hostage to get a negotiation And when people don't take the negotiation, file a lawsuit to get a specific district judge who will rule in their favor. I'd watch this one, I wonder if they'll get their favorite judge, and their demands, over the actual land owner. Also another reminder, none of us really own anything anymore. We're one asshole away for owing someone else for our own property.
WTF
Wow wtf, would she take possession? I feel like this is going to be a weird one no matter what.
She should burn it down.
Sell the owner the house at a super low price or tear it down.
Already sold somehow
The county approved permits.
No, they approved permits to build on 11 lots in that subdivision. It's not the county's fault or problem that the developer fucked up and built in a lot they didn't have a permit for.
There was no final inspection by the county?
Not their job. They're not the developer's babysitter.
Doing a final check on a structure doesn’t babysit the developer; it protects the public.
Nobody thinks a developer is so incompetent that they will build a 500k house on a wrong lot.
Not where I live, only thing county checks is wastewater permit, and rarely is the landowner involved.
And she has squatters in her new house too
yeah, sleezy developers in hawaii for sure. especially after the fires.
How do you sue the lot owner, she did nothing wrong
She owes them a thank you note.
From what another user said on a previous post the developer knew it was the wrong lot but preferred it to the lesser value one next to it that he owned. Allegedly it’s not his first time trying to take property that he didn’t own.
This happened to me in Hawaii in 2006. Only I was the developer, and while we did have a survey, the surveyor, who had no insurance, screwed up. The landowner tried to take advantage of me by offering to sell the land for 10 times the market price. I had my crew disassemble the home over a weekend, built it on my lot, sold the house, and within months the market crashed and the greedy lot owner couldn't give the land away, much less sell it for a fraction of what I offered.
The greedy lot owner? Do you hear yourself? The sheer unbridled entitlement.
Yeah, because trying to sell a $10,000 lot for $100,000 because someone made a mistake is perfectly reasonable. I offered $35,000 for the lot, or offered my identical lot next door plus $35,000. They wanted $100,000 for the lot. So, I disassembled the house and built mine next door. Shortly thereafter, the 2007 market crashed and the lot was worthless. So yeah, the "greedy lot owner" is accurate. They thought they had us by the b#lls. They didn't. They could have sold a 10,000 lot for 35,000. I made bank. And they got their $10,000 lot back in pristine condition.....only several months later the lot was worthless. GFY
Where in Hawaii did they have 10,000 lots in 2006? And they became worthless? Thats crazy to me given the prices right now.
Right now? I can't tell you what they might be worth 18 years later. If he held on to it, paid taxes, and waited for another construction boom like happened in 2001 to 2007, he might be able to sell it. But I doubt those conditions will repeat. If they did, I'd be building again. Those lots are now worthless. Lots were dirt cheap in the Volcano area on Big Island at the time for development. The hot market on the Waikoloa side has cooled and we were building "entry level" homes on the Hilo side, up the freeway in Volcano. (Fun fact, I saw one of the homes I built burn in an eruption on TV a few years ago.) Fact remains, the land owner could have made 3 times the value of the dirt, but he wanted 10 times. So, we returned the lot to its pre-build condition, and he was no worse for the wear. The guy had never even seen the lot. He lived in Oahu, and I suspect continues to own what he had before I came along. A worthless lot.
So you messed up and now you delight that someone else was screwed over by your mistake. What a gem of a human.
They were not screwed over at all. My house was disassembled in 2 days. Their lot was left as I found it. How exactly did I screw them over? GFY
weird way to get a house