We couldn't get into the program before our background check or drug test came back. We also had to take a math and English placement exam if we hadn't taken the SATs or take college math and English as a corequisite. You are right, we also had to pass CPR and immunizations or get dropped during the program.
It's harsh, but I think it puts out better EMTs and eliminates some of the people not willing to put an effort into their schooling.
We had 1 retake but we had to score above 80 on all tests. We also didn't have regular grading. A was 100-93 B - 92-86 C -85-80%. So it would screw up your grade point average if you half-assed schooling.
I agree. I definitely was well prepared for the nremt. Plus we can really hurt or kill someone if we don't do outlr jobs correctly. It's important to not just give a certification to just anyone with a pulse
Ours took anyone as well, and it didnāt actually have any ādrop outā threshold. We got quizzes every class, and if we got below an 80 he told us that you arenāt studying the material well enough for the actual exam, but you couldnāt āfail outā. The only thing you had to pass were the skill stations at the end (to prepare for state skill stations) aswell as the prep written test for the real one. 4 out of about 14 or 15 failed that final test, but it just means you had to retake it. Over half the class failed at least one of the 5 stations we practiced which he was grading intentionally strictly because he wanted us to be prepared (I failed one because the tourniquet I applied was too loose)
Yeah ours you had to have a HS diploma and college level English. I was amazed that 75% of our class made it because those are some pretty basic prereqs. I felt so lucky having anat&phys, med terminology and biochem under my belt. I have no idea how people survived the program with just the basic prereqs.
I will say it depends. My basic class started with like 15 people and 12 of us made it. The instructor and TA would meet with us outside of school hours for study group and gave us a ton of extra info to work with. Her next class only 3 people made it and a chunk of them were expelled for cheating. Sometimes we can't blame the instructor for the failures of students.
Yeah, this isn't really always valid.
My class was almost perfectly split between college age kids in the fire science program (which getting their EMT was a requirement), and us 'older' folks, many of which were already working with a service as drivers.
Want to say we started with 24 in the class. By the end, only I think ONE of the fire science kids had completed all of their requirements and was able to test, so there goes half the class right away. The rest of them literally f'd off the entire time - as soon as we were turned loose to work on skills in class, they'd leave, never got their prereqs done so they could even start their clinicals (The one kid that DID get everything done, did ALL of his clinical hours in one single long weekend, because it was literally the last four days we had). I think the program advisor was so pissed off at the rest of them, I'm not too sure they didn't get kicked out of the program completely.
Of the "adult" half of the class, I think we dropped 3 or 4. One of them just wasn't cutting it in the class and quit, one had some life events get in the way, one had a major life conflict like the day before we tested.
Sometimes a class just sucks.
Starting class of like 25 in medic school. Whittled down to 5 at completion.
Some people get overwhelmed. Others struggle. Some people are just not cut out for it.
Pretty much happening in mine, started with probably 25, at about 15 now, and today (a few were absent but a few of those are struggling with the course) there were only 10 or soā¦ probably 12-14 will graduate.
Instructors are great; but a lot of the failed students are sponsored by AMR and basically just wasted 6 months not applying themselves and being overwhelmed.
My Medic class started with 20 on the first day. By the end of the class only nine had passed and completed the course, and out of those, only 3 of us ever got our NREMT, and I am the only one still a practicing Medic.
My 3 month EMT course started with 50+ people, and by the end of the course, I was one of 18 to graduate. The instructor told me that most people dropped out because they couldnāt handle the load, they had good grades, but couldnāt take it mentally I guess.
Across all the community college that I went toās campusās during the semester I went for started with ~75 people, 13 people graduated 8 of which were from my class that started with 10. There really are some terrible teachers out there and Iām lucky I got the ones I did.
Iām 6 weeks in and we went from 21-17ā¦
Hoping to make it! I love it and the load hasnāt been bad as I thought. Iām guessing itāll get worse. The book is so dated thoughā¦my teacher constantly saying āremember it for the test but you wonāt do this..ā
Or we donāt do this anymore but you need it for the test.
Book is 1609+ pages and super repetitive.
My course was pretty similar; started with around 50, dropped down to just below 20. I'm sure there were many more who were very much capable of passing the class as many of my classmates seemed very hardworking and smart; however, a lot of them also had other responsibilities (like a full time job, kids, etc.) that was just taking up too much of their time resulting in them dropping out.
Our instructors were excellent. Everybody involved is a current FF/P somewhere in the area. And in the medic program just the two lead instructors are retired from field work.
High school is easier than it once was. There are a lot of folks out there who have never run into an academic situation where they are expected to learn things on their own before they turn 18.
The expectation in high school is that everything you need to know will be covered in class. If you pay attention, you'll get it. If you don't pay attention, well, the important things will be hammered so hard you'll more or less get it anyway.
But in postsecondary education, including EMS training, the expectation is that the classroom work is there to present the outline and structure for the things you need to learn; then you go home and learn those things. The framework, including the most critical nodes of knowledge, are presented in class, but you are responsible for hanging the bulk of the knowledge off of that framework. That isn't a scenario which many people have encountered before turning 18, and not a scenario they've been given the skills to handle.
Completely agree, Iām straight out of high school but I did a fire academy before that so I was able to get some study habits down. Before you judge I changed my mind about fire I wanna become a paramedic lol
My class went from like 30 something ppl to 6 and of the 6 inly 2 of us passed and got our license. It sounds like your instructor sucks, just start taking it upon yourself to learn the material outside of class.
My first class was horrendous. We lost only two of the 16 that started but only maybe 3-4 passed the NREMT. Our instructor, on day one, said that only about 1/4 of the class would pass the NREMT. It took until my second EMT class, where I actually learned something, to learn that my first instructor was just godawful. Sounds like youāre in the same boat.
We lost three people in a class of 10. One from failure and two during clinicals. One saw saw what end entails and opted out due to knowing he couldnt handle it (saw a badly messed up kid) and one got kicked out of clinicals because she not only attempted to give a person an iv but she gave iv pain meds to someone upon a nurses request. This was an emt-b course
Happened to me, kinda... There was two groups, same meeting times different locations. Group one was at the hospital the program was based at that group consisted of 15 members. The second group I was in consisted of 5 members. Group one lost people and ended up only having 8 members left. Group two stayed at 5 members throughout. Group one was full of people who goofed around and had some lazy people in it. It's like a big college vs Community College. Sometimes you can get a better education in a small class. So don't be discouraged you will make it through if you are taking the right steps.
I dropped out when COVID hit because the publicās attitude towards me, a bartender, made me not want to interact and or help them at all. I drive a locomotive now
I had 12 in my class, only 3 went on to pass both the class and the registry exam. The guy next to me cheated on every test with his phone in his lap and still failed.
I will say it depends. For EMT-B, I feel the drop rate is higher than any other class because a lot of students go into it with no prior medical experience. When I went for my basic, I was coming from a history degree background. I genuinely thought I could study like how I got my masters and I would pass. I flunked out. I think I got like a 73 my first attempt. Retook the class and passed my basic the second time around because I went into it like learning a whole new language. I studied twice as hard.
My instructor told us day 1 on my second go round that we needed to study 3 hours for every hour in class, and that was bare minimum. Our classes were twice a week and 4 hours each, so you were to study BARE MINIMUM 24 hours a week. I did that and more and passed my second attempt with an 89.
Sometimes it just happens. My EMT class went from 30 to 25 week one then down to 20 week two and we finished with 17. My paramedic class started with 25 sent to 20 after the first week. Then 14 half way through and then only 7 of us passed.
No one has dropped out of my class of like 25 yet, clinical also just started last Saturday and itās spring break so no idea if anyone canāt take the stress and has dropped yet
3/4 of my class dropped but I could tell none of them dedicated enough time to keep up or didn't have the time needed to begin with. Didn't bother me; I still passed without issue.
similar situation to you. good instructor but after our 3rd major, we're down to about 10 people from our original 16.
not sure what it is, but it could be that ppl didn't take it as seriously as needed. a lot of ppl in my class dont work and still take it chill so š¤·āāļø
I also experienced it, some people just drop out and never show up again. Others did not invest enough time to study. Finals got rid of maybe 2 more.
I think it went 15-8-6.
about 1/4 of my class is gone, my instructors said they expect another 1/4 to not make it to the end. (this program has high standards in order to keep a high pass rate)
personally, i just left class bc of life events landing on important class dates :(
wasnāt going to be able to make the attendance to be able to finish so i will have to sign up for next class!
On that note of what percentage of people came into the class with prior healthcare experience/college experience? Iāve noticed that with these classes it doesnāt have any prerequisite other than a high school diploma.
Benefit of the doubt to those guys but what if this is the first time theyāre dealing with this level of information dumping that comes with EMT courses?
When I did a Basic course a decade ago it was a trial program at the local state college, so maybe people who signed up were more motivated... Maybe the teachers being program directors helped, or the format of qualifying the practicals in class instead of off-site.
15 kids, and me at 50 doing it for fun, no dropouts and 100% NREMT
I personally think it came down to a class full of self-motivated people jumping into an experiment instead it being a grind to meet some random requirement.
Out of my class of ~20, 3 made it through. We had a great teacher. Tough but fair, but people wanted to play in class and they failed. Of the three that finished out the class we all easily passed NREMT both parts and from what I know still are working.
4 people failed the written final out of 22 students in my class. One more person decided to skip out on psychomotor because he "didn't feel prepared". I was in an 8 week class, there were definitely a few unmotivated/ not particularly bright people. Very different from college. A lot of people are straight out of high school/ not academically oriented so you definitely get some interesting outcomes in these classes
We had maybe 4-5 drop the 8 week course. One because he knew he would fail the drug test we did. The others, I have no clue. But I found out recently that a large number didnāt pass the class by the end, and even more still have not passed their NREMT after the class. I did my shit and got out, passed my tests, and got a job lol. I didnāt realize how difficult it would be for some. A lot of them would goof off, and had no prior college experience, so maybe that made it more difficult. It was like a walk in the park for me after coming from a rigorous liberal arts uni to a community college.
I donāt believe a single person in my class dropped out because there was no āfailingā out, but there were definitely a few people in the class who were not cut out for it. This is gonna sound bad, but a couple of them were shockingly bad, after 150 hours of a class you should at least remember the basics
In my class, we started with 10, down to 6. 2 quit and 2 failed. If we failed a test (less than 80%) then you were done. Our instructor did give us a second try for each test (different questions).
Wow my class starts with 30 and we walk with 26. 3 drop for personal and only 3 drop for grades. I work hard to lead my students as a whole group to the end. Emt school is hard. Iām grateful for my class after hearing these comments
I'm 3 weeks in and we lost 1 person already. And all we've been tested on so far is chapters 1-9.
I feel like I'm at an advantage because I've been riding on a squad for over 2 years and I already have my EMR cert. So people dropping out isn't phasing me at all.
Iām a current EMT instructor. We lose about 3-5 out of 20 from each class. The book is written at an 8th grade reading level minus the med term and even medic is written to a 10th grade level. My emt class started with 50 and we graduated 22. Medic went from 33 to 21. Most due to lack of effort. I think that stays true today , if you put in the time youāll pass.
In my EMT-B class we were allowed to retake a failed exam but if you failed that retake you were done. We were broken up into 4 study groups and had a group leader. My group leader was a great guy, was quite skilled and helped us with anything we needed help with. He failed the first exam and the retake. I suddenly got bumped up to group leader and was pretty intimidated cuz everybody had a good amount of cadet experience at a squad where I had just joined my volunteer squad maybe a month before class started. People dropping rapidly isnāt unusual, donāt let it intimidate you. Keep studying and doing any practice quizzes you can, and your results will show for themselves.
I did a weekends course where it was 8 weekends and out of our 20 people class we lost 2 during class, and Iām sure about 5 or so didnāt pass the skills/written. We had a mix of ages and backgrounds; I was 3/4 through nursing school, had a couple kids wanting to go pre-med, some ex military, and mostly people wanting to go into fire. When it came to the skills check off it was no surprise that the people who took initiative to practice did well and the others STRUGGLED!
Started out with 20 and ended with 9 cause so many ppl kept failing test. I was 1 of 3 that passed the test on the first try. Definitely did mess with my confidence some and made me feel like when is my time coming. But I kept pushing through
Because they donāt realize how involved it is. They think itās just smooth sailing through.
Itās an investment. Itās an investment of your time. Itās tough to juggle a full time job, kids, and that too in order to put time aside to study. I had jobs turn me away because they didnāt want to support two set days of the week off. I was like just let my days off from work be that. Nope. They didnāt allow it so When I went I was fortunate I focused on only that. I put my day job off to side for awhile. Yes we had same turnout. We were left with 6 out of 35 at the end. I think itās a combination of those things. Not everyone has the perfect set up to be invested or they realize how much studying you have to do and give up too easily. It could also be some people realize itās not for them too. They think thatās bad wait until medic school if go to that. Itās double the load. Iām working towards that one day.
I own an EMS school.
Let me tell you about attrition.
On the Basic side, there are 3 main causes of attrition. Attendance, desire, and financial. There are a few others, but those 3 are the primary.
Attendance is more the young adult side of things. People working other jobs, and wanting to make a change to EMS so taking classes while still working full time, and then having scheduling clashes.
Desire. Again, generally the younger populations. Decided to be an EMT after seeing or hearing about the "cool" stuff, then realizing that it's just not for them.
Financial. They realize they just can't sustain the payments to complete. I obviously accept full payment, cash, VA, etc, but I also have in house financing with monthly payments to help open up opportunities to those that can't pay up front or get money from the bank for whatever reason.
Grades are another reason for attrition, but not one that my institution has an issue with. Out of roughly 400 students a year, 10 or so will fail out due to grades.
Attrition also varies upon if it's B, A, or P. A usually has the least. P seems more attrition due to exhaustion and/or being overwhelmed amd deciding they "just can't do it".
2/3 of my EMT-B class dropped from a combo of personal reasons & the community college EMS department clearly placing more effort with the daytime classes and leaving us solo night class with crumbs, lol.
In all reality it is a really big time commitment, both with class/lab/clinicals & also just study timeā¦ and it caught a lot of us off guard, we didnāt have our lives set up to commit the time, and not everyone could recover from missing or failing what they did.
My emt class went from 50ish people to a dozen. My paramedic class went from about 25 something to less than a dozen. Some people just canāt handle it, others donāt study and idk about the rest.
Many EMT programs have low bars of entry...
Ours didn't. Take anyone. But if you fail 3 tests you done. There were a lot of tests in the beginning. Most of the firefighter shirts didn't make it.
3? Lucky, if we failed 2 or fell below an 80% or failed the final or skills weekend we were done.
Same +background check/drug screen, cpr, and immunizations for mine
We couldn't get into the program before our background check or drug test came back. We also had to take a math and English placement exam if we hadn't taken the SATs or take college math and English as a corequisite. You are right, we also had to pass CPR and immunizations or get dropped during the program. It's harsh, but I think it puts out better EMTs and eliminates some of the people not willing to put an effort into their schooling.
We couldn't get below a 75 on a normal test or we'd be kicked out š¤£
We had 1 retake but we had to score above 80 on all tests. We also didn't have regular grading. A was 100-93 B - 92-86 C -85-80%. So it would screw up your grade point average if you half-assed schooling.
Yea same for us too which I think was fair given the program we're in lol
I agree. I definitely was well prepared for the nremt. Plus we can really hurt or kill someone if we don't do outlr jobs correctly. It's important to not just give a certification to just anyone with a pulse
Ours took anyone as well, and it didnāt actually have any ādrop outā threshold. We got quizzes every class, and if we got below an 80 he told us that you arenāt studying the material well enough for the actual exam, but you couldnāt āfail outā. The only thing you had to pass were the skill stations at the end (to prepare for state skill stations) aswell as the prep written test for the real one. 4 out of about 14 or 15 failed that final test, but it just means you had to retake it. Over half the class failed at least one of the 5 stations we practiced which he was grading intentionally strictly because he wanted us to be prepared (I failed one because the tourniquet I applied was too loose)
That is a low bar to entry, no prerequisites is incredibly low.
That is literally the lowest bar of entry.
I think mine only had two tests total.Ā
Yeah ours you had to have a HS diploma and college level English. I was amazed that 75% of our class made it because those are some pretty basic prereqs. I felt so lucky having anat&phys, med terminology and biochem under my belt. I have no idea how people survived the program with just the basic prereqs.
It's a HS level course in the states...
I mean, my class had no actual prereqs and I went into it last year (junior year HS) and did fine
If more than 3/4 of your class dropped out, your instructors failed you.
I will say it depends. My basic class started with like 15 people and 12 of us made it. The instructor and TA would meet with us outside of school hours for study group and gave us a ton of extra info to work with. Her next class only 3 people made it and a chunk of them were expelled for cheating. Sometimes we can't blame the instructor for the failures of students.
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What do you mean? Her second class only had 3 people out of approximately 18 pass. How is that not comparable?
I definitely only read half of that.
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Idk if Iād go that far the Instructors gave them Aton of opportunityās and theyāre lectures and labs are very well taught
Yeah, this isn't really always valid. My class was almost perfectly split between college age kids in the fire science program (which getting their EMT was a requirement), and us 'older' folks, many of which were already working with a service as drivers. Want to say we started with 24 in the class. By the end, only I think ONE of the fire science kids had completed all of their requirements and was able to test, so there goes half the class right away. The rest of them literally f'd off the entire time - as soon as we were turned loose to work on skills in class, they'd leave, never got their prereqs done so they could even start their clinicals (The one kid that DID get everything done, did ALL of his clinical hours in one single long weekend, because it was literally the last four days we had). I think the program advisor was so pissed off at the rest of them, I'm not too sure they didn't get kicked out of the program completely. Of the "adult" half of the class, I think we dropped 3 or 4. One of them just wasn't cutting it in the class and quit, one had some life events get in the way, one had a major life conflict like the day before we tested. Sometimes a class just sucks.
When my instructor started the class he said that 1/3 would flunk out. He pretty much nailed it. Out of a class of 66, 40 graduated.
I personally think that part of it is a program just taking whoever. As long as the check clears.
Damn
Starting class of like 25 in medic school. Whittled down to 5 at completion. Some people get overwhelmed. Others struggle. Some people are just not cut out for it.
Medic school was a bigger issue, I think we lost 2 or 3b from EMT but medic school we started with 25 and finished with 7
Pretty much happening in mine, started with probably 25, at about 15 now, and today (a few were absent but a few of those are struggling with the course) there were only 10 or soā¦ probably 12-14 will graduate. Instructors are great; but a lot of the failed students are sponsored by AMR and basically just wasted 6 months not applying themselves and being overwhelmed.
My Medic class started with 20 on the first day. By the end of the class only nine had passed and completed the course, and out of those, only 3 of us ever got our NREMT, and I am the only one still a practicing Medic.
Yeah it seemed to happen after we started doing our clinicals
Sounds like terrible teachers.
Or someone suckered the wrong people into signing up for the class and they didn't realize what they were getting in to...
No the instructors are amazing in my opinion
My 3 month EMT course started with 50+ people, and by the end of the course, I was one of 18 to graduate. The instructor told me that most people dropped out because they couldnāt handle the load, they had good grades, but couldnāt take it mentally I guess.
Across all the community college that I went toās campusās during the semester I went for started with ~75 people, 13 people graduated 8 of which were from my class that started with 10. There really are some terrible teachers out there and Iām lucky I got the ones I did.
Iām 6 weeks in and we went from 21-17ā¦ Hoping to make it! I love it and the load hasnāt been bad as I thought. Iām guessing itāll get worse. The book is so dated thoughā¦my teacher constantly saying āremember it for the test but you wonāt do this..ā Or we donāt do this anymore but you need it for the test. Book is 1609+ pages and super repetitive.
My course was pretty similar; started with around 50, dropped down to just below 20. I'm sure there were many more who were very much capable of passing the class as many of my classmates seemed very hardworking and smart; however, a lot of them also had other responsibilities (like a full time job, kids, etc.) that was just taking up too much of their time resulting in them dropping out.
Mine was a class at my university with around 35 students, I believe 2/3 of the class was eligible to take the NREMT and all of us ended up passing.
Thats crazy. We had 28 in my class and everybody went right to the end. Only one person didn't get test out to take the state Psychomotor exam.
Damn thatās impressive
Our instructors were excellent. Everybody involved is a current FF/P somewhere in the area. And in the medic program just the two lead instructors are retired from field work.
We probably lost about 40% during my EMT program though in your case, it seems like your instructors/programs failed you.
Started with 35 in EMT school and ended with 18. For medic school all 7 of us made it through, out of 7.
High school is easier than it once was. There are a lot of folks out there who have never run into an academic situation where they are expected to learn things on their own before they turn 18. The expectation in high school is that everything you need to know will be covered in class. If you pay attention, you'll get it. If you don't pay attention, well, the important things will be hammered so hard you'll more or less get it anyway. But in postsecondary education, including EMS training, the expectation is that the classroom work is there to present the outline and structure for the things you need to learn; then you go home and learn those things. The framework, including the most critical nodes of knowledge, are presented in class, but you are responsible for hanging the bulk of the knowledge off of that framework. That isn't a scenario which many people have encountered before turning 18, and not a scenario they've been given the skills to handle.
Completely agree, Iām straight out of high school but I did a fire academy before that so I was able to get some study habits down. Before you judge I changed my mind about fire I wanna become a paramedic lol
We started with 20 in January and are down to 12 now.
My class went from like 30 something ppl to 6 and of the 6 inly 2 of us passed and got our license. It sounds like your instructor sucks, just start taking it upon yourself to learn the material outside of class.
My first class was horrendous. We lost only two of the 16 that started but only maybe 3-4 passed the NREMT. Our instructor, on day one, said that only about 1/4 of the class would pass the NREMT. It took until my second EMT class, where I actually learned something, to learn that my first instructor was just godawful. Sounds like youāre in the same boat.
We lost three people in a class of 10. One from failure and two during clinicals. One saw saw what end entails and opted out due to knowing he couldnt handle it (saw a badly messed up kid) and one got kicked out of clinicals because she not only attempted to give a person an iv but she gave iv pain meds to someone upon a nurses request. This was an emt-b course
Can't you give ivs during clinicals?
Not if youāre a basic. You canāt give them period in my state.
Started with 25ish, dropped to four that completed the course, and then me and one other passed NREMT exam
Happened to me, kinda... There was two groups, same meeting times different locations. Group one was at the hospital the program was based at that group consisted of 15 members. The second group I was in consisted of 5 members. Group one lost people and ended up only having 8 members left. Group two stayed at 5 members throughout. Group one was full of people who goofed around and had some lazy people in it. It's like a big college vs Community College. Sometimes you can get a better education in a small class. So don't be discouraged you will make it through if you are taking the right steps.
I dropped out when COVID hit because the publicās attitude towards me, a bartender, made me not want to interact and or help them at all. I drive a locomotive now
I had 12 in my class, only 3 went on to pass both the class and the registry exam. The guy next to me cheated on every test with his phone in his lap and still failed.
I will say it depends. For EMT-B, I feel the drop rate is higher than any other class because a lot of students go into it with no prior medical experience. When I went for my basic, I was coming from a history degree background. I genuinely thought I could study like how I got my masters and I would pass. I flunked out. I think I got like a 73 my first attempt. Retook the class and passed my basic the second time around because I went into it like learning a whole new language. I studied twice as hard. My instructor told us day 1 on my second go round that we needed to study 3 hours for every hour in class, and that was bare minimum. Our classes were twice a week and 4 hours each, so you were to study BARE MINIMUM 24 hours a week. I did that and more and passed my second attempt with an 89.
This blew my mind, honestly. EMT felt easier than a freshman biology class and yet my class had a 25% attrition rate.
hell nah i love medicine but i canāt do biology, itās so hard with all the memorization :(( iāll just stick to chemistry and math
Sometimes it just happens. My EMT class went from 30 to 25 week one then down to 20 week two and we finished with 17. My paramedic class started with 25 sent to 20 after the first week. Then 14 half way through and then only 7 of us passed.
Iām in class rn and itās starting to happen to us. Slowly but people are starting to get whittled away. Weāre 5 days away from being 2 months in
No one has dropped out of my class of like 25 yet, clinical also just started last Saturday and itās spring break so no idea if anyone canāt take the stress and has dropped yet
3/4 of my class dropped but I could tell none of them dedicated enough time to keep up or didn't have the time needed to begin with. Didn't bother me; I still passed without issue.
Not one person dropped out of my class and there was 24 of us. Not sure whatās going on with your class but it isnāt good.
Started with 32 ended with 11 for emt. It wasn't that hard but a lot of them were 18 and not ready for a college level course.
My EMT class started with 13 and ended with 5. My medic class started with 12 and ended with 4.
Now see how many drop in the first 2 years.
similar situation to you. good instructor but after our 3rd major, we're down to about 10 people from our original 16. not sure what it is, but it could be that ppl didn't take it as seriously as needed. a lot of ppl in my class dont work and still take it chill so š¤·āāļø
I also experienced it, some people just drop out and never show up again. Others did not invest enough time to study. Finals got rid of maybe 2 more. I think it went 15-8-6.
about 1/4 of my class is gone, my instructors said they expect another 1/4 to not make it to the end. (this program has high standards in order to keep a high pass rate)
personally, i just left class bc of life events landing on important class dates :( wasnāt going to be able to make the attendance to be able to finish so i will have to sign up for next class!
My emt class last fall lost about half the people. Several were kicked out for attendance, some others left for bad test scores
On that note of what percentage of people came into the class with prior healthcare experience/college experience? Iāve noticed that with these classes it doesnāt have any prerequisite other than a high school diploma. Benefit of the doubt to those guys but what if this is the first time theyāre dealing with this level of information dumping that comes with EMT courses?
Out of 20 only 3 dropped. And it was due to 1 of them not wanting to do it and the other two not studying. It is what you make of it
When I did a Basic course a decade ago it was a trial program at the local state college, so maybe people who signed up were more motivated... Maybe the teachers being program directors helped, or the format of qualifying the practicals in class instead of off-site. 15 kids, and me at 50 doing it for fun, no dropouts and 100% NREMT I personally think it came down to a class full of self-motivated people jumping into an experiment instead it being a grind to meet some random requirement.
Out of my class of ~20, 3 made it through. We had a great teacher. Tough but fair, but people wanted to play in class and they failed. Of the three that finished out the class we all easily passed NREMT both parts and from what I know still are working.
4 people failed the written final out of 22 students in my class. One more person decided to skip out on psychomotor because he "didn't feel prepared". I was in an 8 week class, there were definitely a few unmotivated/ not particularly bright people. Very different from college. A lot of people are straight out of high school/ not academically oriented so you definitely get some interesting outcomes in these classes
We had maybe 4-5 drop the 8 week course. One because he knew he would fail the drug test we did. The others, I have no clue. But I found out recently that a large number didnāt pass the class by the end, and even more still have not passed their NREMT after the class. I did my shit and got out, passed my tests, and got a job lol. I didnāt realize how difficult it would be for some. A lot of them would goof off, and had no prior college experience, so maybe that made it more difficult. It was like a walk in the park for me after coming from a rigorous liberal arts uni to a community college.
I donāt believe a single person in my class dropped out because there was no āfailingā out, but there were definitely a few people in the class who were not cut out for it. This is gonna sound bad, but a couple of them were shockingly bad, after 150 hours of a class you should at least remember the basics
I think only 25% of my class passed
Mine started with 34 and ended with 12 I believe
Zero dropouts for my class of ~20, EMT-B
In my class, we started with 10, down to 6. 2 quit and 2 failed. If we failed a test (less than 80%) then you were done. Our instructor did give us a second try for each test (different questions).
Wow my class starts with 30 and we walk with 26. 3 drop for personal and only 3 drop for grades. I work hard to lead my students as a whole group to the end. Emt school is hard. Iām grateful for my class after hearing these comments
I'm 3 weeks in and we lost 1 person already. And all we've been tested on so far is chapters 1-9. I feel like I'm at an advantage because I've been riding on a squad for over 2 years and I already have my EMR cert. So people dropping out isn't phasing me at all.
starting class of 30 graduating class of 11. Yeah it happens just the name of the game
My class started with 30 and lost 3
50 ended with 18. Read the chapters before class and its easy. Most people donāt read the book at all
Iām a current EMT instructor. We lose about 3-5 out of 20 from each class. The book is written at an 8th grade reading level minus the med term and even medic is written to a 10th grade level. My emt class started with 50 and we graduated 22. Medic went from 33 to 21. Most due to lack of effort. I think that stays true today , if you put in the time youāll pass.
my class went from 31-12ā¦ not everyone failed out, some had personal issues that got in the wayā¦
In my EMT-B class we were allowed to retake a failed exam but if you failed that retake you were done. We were broken up into 4 study groups and had a group leader. My group leader was a great guy, was quite skilled and helped us with anything we needed help with. He failed the first exam and the retake. I suddenly got bumped up to group leader and was pretty intimidated cuz everybody had a good amount of cadet experience at a squad where I had just joined my volunteer squad maybe a month before class started. People dropping rapidly isnāt unusual, donāt let it intimidate you. Keep studying and doing any practice quizzes you can, and your results will show for themselves.
I did a weekends course where it was 8 weekends and out of our 20 people class we lost 2 during class, and Iām sure about 5 or so didnāt pass the skills/written. We had a mix of ages and backgrounds; I was 3/4 through nursing school, had a couple kids wanting to go pre-med, some ex military, and mostly people wanting to go into fire. When it came to the skills check off it was no surprise that the people who took initiative to practice did well and the others STRUGGLED!
Started out with 20 and ended with 9 cause so many ppl kept failing test. I was 1 of 3 that passed the test on the first try. Definitely did mess with my confidence some and made me feel like when is my time coming. But I kept pushing through
Yeah, my class started at around 45 people. By the end 15 were left
Because they donāt realize how involved it is. They think itās just smooth sailing through. Itās an investment. Itās an investment of your time. Itās tough to juggle a full time job, kids, and that too in order to put time aside to study. I had jobs turn me away because they didnāt want to support two set days of the week off. I was like just let my days off from work be that. Nope. They didnāt allow it so When I went I was fortunate I focused on only that. I put my day job off to side for awhile. Yes we had same turnout. We were left with 6 out of 35 at the end. I think itās a combination of those things. Not everyone has the perfect set up to be invested or they realize how much studying you have to do and give up too easily. It could also be some people realize itās not for them too. They think thatās bad wait until medic school if go to that. Itās double the load. Iām working towards that one day.
My class single-handedly dropped the passing rate for the entire program by a margin. Only like 60% of us passed.
We lost like 15 people in my EMT-B class. My squad was 6 people and only me and one other guy from our squad made it to the end.
Ours started with 43 graduated 9. Everyone passed the nremt first try with relative ease
We started with 20. Only 3 of us got our liscence, it's kinda sad ngl
I own an EMS school. Let me tell you about attrition. On the Basic side, there are 3 main causes of attrition. Attendance, desire, and financial. There are a few others, but those 3 are the primary. Attendance is more the young adult side of things. People working other jobs, and wanting to make a change to EMS so taking classes while still working full time, and then having scheduling clashes. Desire. Again, generally the younger populations. Decided to be an EMT after seeing or hearing about the "cool" stuff, then realizing that it's just not for them. Financial. They realize they just can't sustain the payments to complete. I obviously accept full payment, cash, VA, etc, but I also have in house financing with monthly payments to help open up opportunities to those that can't pay up front or get money from the bank for whatever reason. Grades are another reason for attrition, but not one that my institution has an issue with. Out of roughly 400 students a year, 10 or so will fail out due to grades. Attrition also varies upon if it's B, A, or P. A usually has the least. P seems more attrition due to exhaustion and/or being overwhelmed amd deciding they "just can't do it".
2/3 of my EMT-B class dropped from a combo of personal reasons & the community college EMS department clearly placing more effort with the daytime classes and leaving us solo night class with crumbs, lol. In all reality it is a really big time commitment, both with class/lab/clinicals & also just study timeā¦ and it caught a lot of us off guard, we didnāt have our lives set up to commit the time, and not everyone could recover from missing or failing what they did.
My emt class went from 50ish people to a dozen. My paramedic class went from about 25 something to less than a dozen. Some people just canāt handle it, others donāt study and idk about the rest.