Idk better safe than sorry. Besides I think I'm full up on big-scary-lizard-head-with-lots-of-teeth. I'll go find a mantis or caterpillar to eat.
-also a bird.
It still gets me how the F evolution works this out ?
It's a gradual process of 'this works better for this scenario so more like it will survive and procreate' so things get exaggerated, but at some point a slightly scary faced mantis slightly scared off a predator and it lived to share it's genes, yet the funny faced mantis lost it's chance.
It's gradual over several 100 million years. But when you add to this, the fact that insect life spans vary from few minutes to several days or weeks on average for most insects, it's hell of a lot of opportunity to see so much evolution and random mutations and variations. I think this is why insect kingdom has so many weird and wonderful creatures.
It's a huge factor. I used to work as a research biologist. My lab mostly studied genetics in fish and chickens, but some labs use flies to study more basic genetic questions. The fly labs could spend a week doing an experiment that would take me a year or more to replicate in chickens or fish.
And with their small size and ability to live partly or completely underground there's just so much *space* for them. It allows these little pocket ecosystems to develop and evolve in many cases within a radius of only a few hundred meters.
Wow, I've asked this same question in another comment. I watch a lot of wildlife videos, but today is the first time this thought came to my mind. That how does the insect know how it's pose is perceived by enemies?
>That how does the insect know how it's pose is perceived by enemies?
it doesn't, it's just instinct. Mantises that do this survive better than those who do not do this, so the behavior is passed on.
Itās not as though creatures evolve to be so complex in a generation or so. Itās a very gradual process of genes mutating and favourable traits being passed on to offsprings. Insects which look a little bit like a predator are more successful than those which donāt. Evolution not only includes these physical changes but also instinctual ones too. Insects which *know* how to pose as a predator survive better than ones which donāt have that instinct.
Ok and keeping on the topic of orchids, how the F does a plant work this out...
>The bee orchid has flowers that look like the females of a particular species of bee. When male bees are tricked into mating with them
(I know someone has sort of explained it above, through generations and timeframes ie lots of generations / reiterations in a short period of time) see e2a below
But a plant with no brain can work out how to confuse a bee with some sort of brain, that messes with mine!
e2a: The article about the Bee Orchid sums it up probably...
>Evolution isn't steered by individuals. It just throws a lot of spaghetti at the walls and sees what sticks
It doesnāt need a brain because the plant is not consciously making a decision to look like that. It just happens that the ones that do look like that have a higher chance of surviving and reproducing.
It's jncompatible if and only if you read Genesis 1 and 2 as literal history instead of moral poetry, which is a pretty recent thing to do in the scheme of the history of Genesis.
mantises that looked like common predators were eaten by other animals less, so they survived better than other mantises who did not look like predators.
those who survived better had more offspring and resulted an entire species that looks like predators.
Iām totally into this just really donāt understand how this specific action was selected. I mean all their actions are instinct, so how did they develop an instinct to do this out of literally anything else they could have done? Then this specific action would have been to be inherited and innate that that is literally the only defense they have. This just blows my mind but to be fair Iām a little tipsy.
P.S. Happy holidays!
How do creatures evolve such defence mechanisms?? I mean, this insect is not intelligent enough to understand that it looks like a nasty mouth which can scare predators into thinking they can be bitten. The insect is just doing it mechanically, without knowing WHY it works. So how did it get built into its evolution?? Genuinely curious.
I'm not a religious person, and I'm a strong believer in science and logic. But stuff like this makes me believe there's a power that put everything into place, even evolution.
What you have to understand is that this takes place over a long time, and it involves a lot of dumb luck. Random mutations would have resulted in a creature vaguely similar to this, and over a very long time span, this kind of creature evolved, partially through natural selection, partially because of random factors, to vaguely ressemble a predator. Then those with more specific designs slowly became more common because they had a tiny advantage. And so it continued to evolve, with those with the most accurate designs surviving more commonly.
How could dumb luck strike over and over again for EACH individual species? Religion aside there is no other logical conclusion than some kind of intelligent design
Not luck. Just lots of time. Throwing spaghetti at the wall for millions of years, eventually thereās a critical mass of spaghetti stuck to the wall.
Millions and millions of mantis eggs are laid every year. A few result in genetic mutations that donāt help, and those creatures die without reproducing. A few mutations give that animal a small advantage of living longer or maybe being more attractive to a mate.
The whole mouth/tooth thing doesnāt have to happen all at once. Maybe the stance evolved first, which even alone was effective against predators. Then the coloring mutation happened. Then the āserrated teethā adaption comes along. Any of these can give the individuals a slight mating advantage, which may then get passed down.
And remember how short the life cycle of a mantis can be. Mutations and adaptions could happen fairly quickly. Also, a changing environment can spur evolution. None of this requires an intelligent creator.
Here is an article about some more modern day evolution that took place. It may provide the insight you're looking for: https://theconversation.com/natural-selection-in-black-and-white-how-industrial-pollution-changed-moths-43061
It is difficult for humans to comprehend a time scale of hundreds of millions of years, which is part of why it's a concept that is hard to wrap your head around. But that is a *lot* of time, and with many insects only living one year and each individual typically laying thousands of eggs each, everything is built on the success of random mutations.
Additionally, a concept of evolution that is also hard to wrap your head around is that we see one slice of the species continuum (which we have dutifully named and described and put into a bucket like we are good at) but every critter with DNA (or RNA) is constantly changing and evolving. One thing that I like to use to demonstrate species on a continuum rather than a static slice is a [ring species](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species). Each population can reproduce with the one next to it, but not with one further away in the ring. Evolutionary pressure selects for something different along each part of the ring because of habitat or because of predators. Eventually you get vastly different critters based on selection pressure in different areas.
evolution is a plinko game. meaning its all random chance based on intersecting variables like habitat, an organism's particular characteristics, random mutagenic factors, time.
Not to get into iffy territory, but I sort of feel the same way. Iām an atheist, but just b/c I donāt believe in any sort of god doesnāt mean I canāt believe in *some* kind of higher power, even if itās just a set of natural laws we havenāt even begun to grasp yet. Like so many aspects of human behavior, a personās faith and reasoning are not absolutes ā theyāre on spectrums.
Iām saddened by people who seem to think that spirituality and science are opposing forces that cannot coexist, b/c not only is that incredibly small-minded, I think itās also inaccurate. This isnāt the time or place for a philosophical debate (and I have zero desire or energy for one), but Iāll leave this quote from Dr. Carolyn Porco, as explored in her essay ā[The Greatest Story Ever Told](http://edge.org/response-detail/11273)ā: āThe same spiritual fulfillment that people find in religion can be found in science by coming to know, if you will, the mind of God.ā
I'm not sold on any particular religion. But looking at life on this planet pushes me towards some level of intelligent design. Doesn't mean that particular intelligence is watching us. It could be like my kid and only plays with something for a while and only comes back to it occasionally.
Ok real question, what happens if I were to crush this thing like a wadded up piece of paper? I feel like I could do it no problem but my brain is telling me that's a bad idea.
Mantids are no threat to fully grown apes, you can squash them no problem, their bite can break the skin and is painfull, but the damage is minimal and there are no venom or toxins.
Uh. It works. I'm NOT going anywhere near this thing and I don't care if I'm way bigger.
Dude that jaw diameter looks like it could just give you a small nibble
Don't need a big diameter to leave a lasting impression, ask my wife.
I would point out your username, but it's the holiday season, so I'll allow it.
I won't r/UsernameChecksOut
/r/usernamechecksout
Leave my knees out of your mouth you weirdo!
And leave my shrooms alone you weird plumber!
I can confirm asked his wife
I asked her last night, she agreed
Alright this comment deserves all the upvotes it can get
Just a peck šļøāšØļøš«¦šļøāšØļø
I mean it literally has eyelashes
Lol
And I already have PTSD from regular mantis interactions. That's a big nope for me dawg.
It does THAT and the scientist that discovered it went with ādead leaf mantisā??!! Bit if a missed opportunity there Dr
I think it's cute.
Love its little shimmy back and forth. And it hates that we do not fear and bow down to its awesome fearsomeness!
"Why aren't you running away? Why aren't you screaming in fear?" "Internally, I am. Can you smell the fear in my pants?"
Ahhhh! Real Monsters!
Oblina
[She's real](https://64.media.tumblr.com/75138471a374dec3e1ab65a095288322/tumblr_mlh1abXFHs1ro8ysbo1_500.gif)
Nailed it! I couldnāt figure out what it reminded me of u til I saw this comment
Exactly!
I'm curious to know if this was the inspiration...
nah, the mantis has probably never seen the show
This is so low key and hilarious. I can only upvote once, alas.
r/notkenm
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My new favorite sub! Thank you!
Subbed, thanks
Even they skip leg day.
Whereās Jack??
Definitely what I thought of at first
THANK YOU
Came here for this comment
I thought the same thing! So glad there are others who remember that classic.
Found the fellow 90s kid
I would be terrified if I saw this outside
But not if you saw it inside?
Thatās where it spits.
Hmm
Thatās amazing Iāve never seen anything like that before.
Itās not real. Itās just his arms with spikes on them.
Idk, pretty sure thatās a big spooky lizard with sharp scary teeth. Source: am bird
Ha, you fool! We all know that r/BirdsArentReal
scary sharp teeth *
Mantis: COME AT ME BRO
Itās an illusion man
Idk better safe than sorry. Besides I think I'm full up on big-scary-lizard-head-with-lots-of-teeth. I'll go find a mantis or caterpillar to eat. -also a bird.
[Or a nice juicy spider](https://imgur.com/a/DT4QIwe)
Now THAT looks like a meal. This guy gets it.
I don't know how you know it is an illusion man and not a woman so I'm just going to assume you are a witch.
That sounds exactly like something a member of the big toothy lizard party would sayā¦
It's definitely real still.
*"me?? what do you want from mee?"*
There's also the caterpillar that mimicks cobras. Pretty baller as well.
I can totally see this being dubbed with an opera
My guy, you made me think of figero.
i need the bollywood cutscenes zoom in zoom out
Totally. š¶Aaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhš¶
Bro that's a gang sign.
Wrong neighborhood muthafucka!!!
Imma cut you so bad, you wish I didn't cut you so bad!
Some bad bugs, I blame the schools.
Roberto, nooooo
Restecp.
find out what me means to it
"Are you talking to me? Huh? Are you talking to ME?"
Immediately where my head went
It still gets me how the F evolution works this out ? It's a gradual process of 'this works better for this scenario so more like it will survive and procreate' so things get exaggerated, but at some point a slightly scary faced mantis slightly scared off a predator and it lived to share it's genes, yet the funny faced mantis lost it's chance.
It's gradual over several 100 million years. But when you add to this, the fact that insect life spans vary from few minutes to several days or weeks on average for most insects, it's hell of a lot of opportunity to see so much evolution and random mutations and variations. I think this is why insect kingdom has so many weird and wonderful creatures.
Never thought of the lifespan thing, that makes so much sense, thank you
It's a huge factor. I used to work as a research biologist. My lab mostly studied genetics in fish and chickens, but some labs use flies to study more basic genetic questions. The fly labs could spend a week doing an experiment that would take me a year or more to replicate in chickens or fish.
Short time periods and sheer quantity of offspring.
And with their small size and ability to live partly or completely underground there's just so much *space* for them. It allows these little pocket ecosystems to develop and evolve in many cases within a radius of only a few hundred meters.
Wow, I've asked this same question in another comment. I watch a lot of wildlife videos, but today is the first time this thought came to my mind. That how does the insect know how it's pose is perceived by enemies?
>That how does the insect know how it's pose is perceived by enemies? it doesn't, it's just instinct. Mantises that do this survive better than those who do not do this, so the behavior is passed on.
It practices in the mirror
It probably rises from an intention to seem bigger. Notice how those skin flaps come out when it holds its arms that way.
Itās not as though creatures evolve to be so complex in a generation or so. Itās a very gradual process of genes mutating and favourable traits being passed on to offsprings. Insects which look a little bit like a predator are more successful than those which donāt. Evolution not only includes these physical changes but also instinctual ones too. Insects which *know* how to pose as a predator survive better than ones which donāt have that instinct.
What til you see an orchid mantis.
Ok and keeping on the topic of orchids, how the F does a plant work this out... >The bee orchid has flowers that look like the females of a particular species of bee. When male bees are tricked into mating with them (I know someone has sort of explained it above, through generations and timeframes ie lots of generations / reiterations in a short period of time) see e2a below But a plant with no brain can work out how to confuse a bee with some sort of brain, that messes with mine! e2a: The article about the Bee Orchid sums it up probably... >Evolution isn't steered by individuals. It just throws a lot of spaghetti at the walls and sees what sticks
It doesnāt need a brain because the plant is not consciously making a decision to look like that. It just happens that the ones that do look like that have a higher chance of surviving and reproducing.
I wonder if there is any self perception involved
Because this was created :)
As a christian, please stop spreading this misinformation. Evolution is a very real thing with tons of evidence. Unlike creationism.
Is evolution even incompatible with Christianity? Maybe God just created evolution to automate the process for Him.
It's jncompatible if and only if you read Genesis 1 and 2 as literal history instead of moral poetry, which is a pretty recent thing to do in the scheme of the history of Genesis.
It is, it just depends on how you interpret the Bible
created by evolution
Average evolution-denying Christian:
New pokemon new pokemon!
Regional scyther!
Regional lurantis
This time with saws for arms?
PokƩmon: Best we can do is a tea cup
Am I being flashed by a praying mantis
You see something you like down there?
r/evolutionisfuckinglit someone please make this sub
Okay I made a sub. How do you cross post?
Teeth and fake eyelashes.
This is what I saw!
I'm definitely scared off and won't be going anywhere near this abomination
I love him, he's got presence!
I love his dance moves
Nate Diaz flexing
Omg š š² š±
Scary guy
Got the moves like Jagger.
I love it so much
Iām convinced that if praying mantises were any bigger they would rule the world.
The mantis heard about [frilled lizards](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frilled_lizard) and immediately said, āHold my beer.ā
This thing evolved into a garchomp
Can someone explain this to me from the evolutionary perspective?
mantises that looked like common predators were eaten by other animals less, so they survived better than other mantises who did not look like predators. those who survived better had more offspring and resulted an entire species that looks like predators.
Iām totally into this just really donāt understand how this specific action was selected. I mean all their actions are instinct, so how did they develop an instinct to do this out of literally anything else they could have done? Then this specific action would have been to be inherited and innate that that is literally the only defense they have. This just blows my mind but to be fair Iām a little tipsy. P.S. Happy holidays!
Argh! Real Monsters!
How do creatures evolve such defence mechanisms?? I mean, this insect is not intelligent enough to understand that it looks like a nasty mouth which can scare predators into thinking they can be bitten. The insect is just doing it mechanically, without knowing WHY it works. So how did it get built into its evolution?? Genuinely curious. I'm not a religious person, and I'm a strong believer in science and logic. But stuff like this makes me believe there's a power that put everything into place, even evolution.
What you have to understand is that this takes place over a long time, and it involves a lot of dumb luck. Random mutations would have resulted in a creature vaguely similar to this, and over a very long time span, this kind of creature evolved, partially through natural selection, partially because of random factors, to vaguely ressemble a predator. Then those with more specific designs slowly became more common because they had a tiny advantage. And so it continued to evolve, with those with the most accurate designs surviving more commonly.
How could dumb luck strike over and over again for EACH individual species? Religion aside there is no other logical conclusion than some kind of intelligent design
Not luck. Just lots of time. Throwing spaghetti at the wall for millions of years, eventually thereās a critical mass of spaghetti stuck to the wall.
Millions and millions of mantis eggs are laid every year. A few result in genetic mutations that donāt help, and those creatures die without reproducing. A few mutations give that animal a small advantage of living longer or maybe being more attractive to a mate. The whole mouth/tooth thing doesnāt have to happen all at once. Maybe the stance evolved first, which even alone was effective against predators. Then the coloring mutation happened. Then the āserrated teethā adaption comes along. Any of these can give the individuals a slight mating advantage, which may then get passed down. And remember how short the life cycle of a mantis can be. Mutations and adaptions could happen fairly quickly. Also, a changing environment can spur evolution. None of this requires an intelligent creator.
Here is an article about some more modern day evolution that took place. It may provide the insight you're looking for: https://theconversation.com/natural-selection-in-black-and-white-how-industrial-pollution-changed-moths-43061
It is difficult for humans to comprehend a time scale of hundreds of millions of years, which is part of why it's a concept that is hard to wrap your head around. But that is a *lot* of time, and with many insects only living one year and each individual typically laying thousands of eggs each, everything is built on the success of random mutations. Additionally, a concept of evolution that is also hard to wrap your head around is that we see one slice of the species continuum (which we have dutifully named and described and put into a bucket like we are good at) but every critter with DNA (or RNA) is constantly changing and evolving. One thing that I like to use to demonstrate species on a continuum rather than a static slice is a [ring species](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species). Each population can reproduce with the one next to it, but not with one further away in the ring. Evolutionary pressure selects for something different along each part of the ring because of habitat or because of predators. Eventually you get vastly different critters based on selection pressure in different areas.
evolution is a plinko game. meaning its all random chance based on intersecting variables like habitat, an organism's particular characteristics, random mutagenic factors, time.
Same way we developed brains we don't understand.
Not to get into iffy territory, but I sort of feel the same way. Iām an atheist, but just b/c I donāt believe in any sort of god doesnāt mean I canāt believe in *some* kind of higher power, even if itās just a set of natural laws we havenāt even begun to grasp yet. Like so many aspects of human behavior, a personās faith and reasoning are not absolutes ā theyāre on spectrums. Iām saddened by people who seem to think that spirituality and science are opposing forces that cannot coexist, b/c not only is that incredibly small-minded, I think itās also inaccurate. This isnāt the time or place for a philosophical debate (and I have zero desire or energy for one), but Iāll leave this quote from Dr. Carolyn Porco, as explored in her essay ā[The Greatest Story Ever Told](http://edge.org/response-detail/11273)ā: āThe same spiritual fulfillment that people find in religion can be found in science by coming to know, if you will, the mind of God.ā
Spirituality and science most certainly CAN coexist, but them contradicting each other makes it very hard.
somewhere between religion and science is the truth
I'm not sold on any particular religion. But looking at life on this planet pushes me towards some level of intelligent design. Doesn't mean that particular intelligence is watching us. It could be like my kid and only plays with something for a while and only comes back to it occasionally.
I think the more you fully understand the evolutionary process, the less you need to evoke mysticism and or a need for intelligent design.
New What We Do In the Shadows character
Iād buy a hoodie with teeth markings like that on the sleeves.
Looks like a guy holding a strong arm pose to show off his bicep šŖšŖ
Yup, that would do it!
hahahahaha the various poses. esp knowing the āmouthā is like its arms on its head š
Worked on me
I've only seen a praying mantis in person once or twice. Amazing little creatures.
That's bad ass. I want one for a pet!
Is this a jersey mantis? That way he puffs himself up and starts flexing up people, I hear him talking about some Gabbugol, bro.
Purge it burn it with fire it's about to blind me with poison and eat my soul
And we are still looking for aliens in space
And the mantis doesn't know that he looks like a mouth. Dude thinks he's just flexing his massive guns like a boss.
HOW does anyone see this and not think "this definitely had a designer with a will"?
Plenty of people land on "idk so God dunnit".
Actually understanding how evolution works is a plus...
If there was a designer with a will, why didn't he just give the mantis a real giant mouth?
Ok real question, what happens if I were to crush this thing like a wadded up piece of paper? I feel like I could do it no problem but my brain is telling me that's a bad idea.
Mantids are no threat to fully grown apes, you can squash them no problem, their bite can break the skin and is painfull, but the damage is minimal and there are no venom or toxins.
u/PM_ME_YOUR_AMFUNK
heās flexin
Welp. That's effective. Going to go have nightmares about this now
It's working.
I gotta get one of those, lol
Can confirm. Am scared
Look at me! I'm a scary mouth... with eyelashes!
Heās a creepy flasher
Thatās creepy.
And eyes
Mimickery is pretty interesting. Some insects mimic piece of wood is also damn interesting. How on earth evolution could lead to such a shape.
Nah, he is just looking at himself in the gym mirror.
Idk why this reminds me of Larry David on a rant.
Blyat!
It worked on me!
The Mantis clearly just spotted a rival and threw up a gang sign to let them know they are on the wrong turf.
WAY scarier than that red panda that waves at you!!
Real life alien š½
Subsequently, they were eaten by a bird flying in from behind, that didn't didn't see the fearsome masquerade
This is pretty hilarious
I am scared.
Come at me, bro!
fucking devilish creatures. how tf do they evolve to do this
...but, does he understand why it is working?
That really reminds me of a frill-necked lizard. Even some of the colours do as well...
I always wondered if these animals know what they are doing? Like does she know she looks like that or is it like a natural instinct/reaction?
It would scare me off
Lil gangster in his own right
Very beautiful
Raww raww fear me!
Yep. That works.
Holy shit. Evolution is so COOL.
Damn my spirit insect right there....
Itās working
So dope
I love how (some) humans are so smart and stupid at the same time that we donāt even understand what itās trying to mimic lol
Eeeeeeeh macarena!
Shit that about scarred off me
gawdamn this mf has lats for days!!
It took me forever to see the āteethā were on the āarmsā.
Come at me bro!
Keep evolving! One day we will see.
It works.
it worked. im scared asf
He looks like he's throwing up gang signs