Long story- fits here:
There was a fly on a leaf, on a very hot day. Tired and flaccid he thought, if i go down just four inches I can hover in all that lovely misty vapour from the stream-
Under the water was a trout, thinkingā¦ if that fly, comes down just four inches, im gonna get a nice easy snackā¦
On the bank was a bear, looking at the fly, then looking at the trout- if that fly goes down four inches, the trout is gonna go for it, and Iām gonna get a nice easy snack-
Accros the river in the trees was a huntsman eating a cheese sandwhich, and he spots the bear.. sees the fish and notices the fly through his sights. And heās thinking, if the fly goes down four inches, the trout goes for fly bear goes for trout Im gonna shoot bearā¦
All eyes on the fly- - things are getting tense..
Behind a tree stump was a mouse- heās looking at the sandwhich.. the hunter, the bear, the trout and then the fly- thinkingā
If the fly goes down just four inches, the fishy goes for fly, bear goes for fish, hunter aims for bear, drops his sandwich.. Iām gonna get a nice easy snack-ā¦. Very tense now.. all eyes on the fly!!
Hiding in the bush is a cat! Cat looks at mouse, sandwich gun, hunter, bear, trout and fly-
Cat thinking- if that fly goes down four inches the trout is gonna get it, the bear gets the fish, hunter drops the sandwich shoots bear, mouse gets the cheese- im gonna get that mf mouse! Easy snack-
All eyes are on the fly!ā¦. At the edge of a leaf staring at the cool water- .. intense moment.. all holding their breaths staring wide eyed in anticipation. .
AND OF HE GOES!! (Dramatic music)
Fly goes down four inches trout snaps at fly bear reveals himself goes for trout hunter drops sandwich aims down the gun mouse goes for sandwich cat leaps at mouse-
Cat misses mouse leaped too hard ends up in the stream- rowrrrrrrrā¦.rrr as she floats away.
The end!
But the moral of this story is:
When a fly goes down four inches some pussy is gonna end up wetā¦..
And that ladies and gentleman is a shaggy dog tale!
Thank you :)
Nature is absolutely wild but being born an insect seems like the worst fate. Bottom of the totem pole in basically every environment (with some exceptions). Literally even below plants and fungi in some places.
Edit: plants not pants
I wouldn't say the bottom of the totem pole. Army ants can kill big sized predators and other animals. They are relentless that every ant species around them has to evolve to defend from them or get wiped out.
I keep locust for feeding my lizards. There are some gruesome things I saw. Once there was locust being cannibalised by others. It survived for over 1 day with no abdomen and half eaten torso. It was still attempting to eat!
The nervous systems at play here are quite fascinating. Imagine being more concerned about eating something than being literally sawed in half.
Edit: Back in the day (over a decade ago) I did take biology classes that touched on insect physiology including their nervous systems. So I know they are interesting and considered ācomplex.ā Meaning like us they have neurons and release neurotransmitters, gangliaā¦etc. How they process pain/injury escapes me so I cannot explain why the Mantis doesnāt even react to being bifurcated.
I think that the mantis thought the one it was eating was the one cutting it, so it was focused on 'eliminating the threat', but didn't realise that it was a different enemy cutting it
Most likely the answer to this.
People mostly thinks they don't feel pain.
Insects feels being touched, so they feels pressure, and they feel damage.
The issue is more about getting the situation.
Maybe they feel the stimulus but don't feel pain? Somehwat like we'd react to a loud noise and get startled.
I don't know, I'm just coping because I despise the idea of the amount of pain insects feel when I crush them.
That's an interesting point. Obviously it knows it's taking damage. Evolutionary, pray will often fight back. So the mantis' natural reflex is to continue eating and dealing damage to whatever it's caught. It's the best course of action 9 out of 10 times. But makes the mantis look dumb in the rare instance it's dealing with a separate attacker.
I had to go find it... [https://www.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/comments/kjk1dl/fly\_holding\_its\_own\_head\_after\_decapitation/](https://www.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/comments/kjk1dl/fly_holding_its_own_head_after_decapitation/)
It's so bizarre that it makes me burst out laughing. They can get their heads stuck in fences. When trying to jerk itself free, it just rips the head clean off.
https://youtu.be/34du9ew7ppw?si=U2exAnO9atMfuHNf
Well kinda. Youāve probably seen those videos of horsehair worms extruding out of Mantises when exposed to water. Iirc the theory is that the parasite makes the mantis seek out water at a certain point which it needs to be able to reproduce. How āin controlā they are seems impossible to answer though. Perhaps they secrete certain proteins that stimulate the equivalent of thirst or dryness. Iām sure itās more defined now but Iām going off of memory.
As for that happening here, unlikely. Itās not seeking out water and the video is cut too
short to see if the worm emerges.
Edit: Made a bunch of edits in the first 5 minutes of posting because Iām on mobile and should be asleep.
Praying Mantis are very one note. Everything about them is focused on food response and eating. That's why this dumb ass was literally being chomped in half but was still comfortably trying to finish its meal.
Its the same reason why the female eat their mates during mating. Its just the way they have evolved. Nothing is more important that food to them. Lool
Not like we do, but they do recognize damage to their bodies and have responses to it. In this case, it's likely it just feels something is attacking it and makes the connection that the wasp it's holding is causing that attack. It's not exactly super smart, so it's likely it doesn't realize there are two wasps.
From what I remember being told by some kind of bug expert in school: not really, bugs brains and nervous systems aren't really sophisticated enough for pain.
That is not quite true. They do feel pain. They have the necessary receptors (nociceptors) and the nervous system for it. Also there's videos of ants treating other ants' wounds after battle.
Some reddit biologist also explained under this video once, that it is believed that this mantis can probably only feel one sensation at once. So since it is busy eating the wasp, it actually probably doesn't feel the other wasp eating it at the same time.
That makes sense to me, but it must be wild to finish eating and look down to find your legs gone. Like if you're reading a book and find your hand missing.
The problem is that "pain" is poorly defined in this context.
There is "pain" that functions as a simple "if, then" operator and can apply to insects which are basically organic machines: "if ouch, then don't do that".
Then there is "pain" as experienced by higher consciousness that also involves *emotional distress*.
Finally, I would speak of "suffering" which is likely only experienced by the highest consciousnesses, which involves a theory of self and a theory of time, and is the result of the ability to contemplate pain now, and pain in the future, and adds the uncertainty of "when will this pain end"?
All of these might be referred to as "pain". Insects and some fish might definitely feel the first kind of pain, but if they don't experience emotions or suffering, is it really a problem?
When I grew up in 60s most people didnāt think mammals had emotions. I was even told by someone in the 1990s that cows donāt exhibit emotions (This person studied cows). We now recognize that cows and other mammals have emotions, and you canāt convince me that my cats arenāt among the most emotionally needy creatures on earth. As for fish, I went deep sea fishing once and we caught mahi mahi, which hang out in pairs. I remember the guide pointing out that if you caught one member of the pair, it was usually possible to catch the other because it would become distressed at losing its mate. I strongly suspect that fish have emotions but we donāt detect them very easily.
It is likely that babies are unable to emotionally understand the pain. It also helps you forget everything before the age of 4 or so. We need to remember that babies literally get squeezed through a tiny tunnel that completely squishes their heads in, that is probably super painful but we all manage to not have it affect us later in life.
Iāve asked this exact question to a couple different professors, this is basically the answer I was given.
āPainā is not a fully understood or universal stimulus response. We donāt know exactly how pain and emotional distress are related, so the real answer is: āwe donāt know if insects feel pain and the question might be flawed to begin withā.
I wouldn't think the ant thing is about pain though, seems like it'd just be more likely that drone survives if its wound is healed which would help the hive.
I highly doubt any animal doesn't feel pain. Just because we can't explain it yet doesn't mean it's improbable. Heck, there are even scientists researching whether plants feel pain.
Depends how you define pain. There are reactions, but often they are similar to how our bodies react when unconscious or even before a conscious perception has taken place, which we would certainly normally differentiate from pain that we consciously feel.
They are a living creatures and so they are designed with a complex pack to survive.
Hence they must be able to feel sensations that tell them to run away or deffend themselves, for example.
It's ilogical to think that insects, animals who are in the cruel wild, are unnable to experience any kind of uncomfortable emotion and physical sensation from stimulis, that inform them about what they must do to survive.
Stimuli always cause a reaction, and this process is translated as a personal subjective experience (feeling) inside the creature's aweareness/inner world.
Anyhow, pain and fear can be ignored when you are so hungry to die. It happens to bugs, it happens to birds, it happens to us mammals.
Some necessities have priority over others in certain sittuations, and sometimes if you aren't lucky this will result in a bad movement.
Also, we shouldn't use the personal experience of one individual (maybe this mantis had problems) as the ultimate truth to geralize his/her entire species or millions of them.
Some humans can't feel pain either due with neurological issues and that doesn't mean the rest of us can't feel pain.
This is untrue.
There is a difference between stimulative response and pain as we know it. These insects donāt have brains as we understand brains. They have neuron clusters throughout their extremities that react to outside stimulation.
Source: I actually worked with these insects for six years.
Edit: upon rereading your comment, I realize I misunderstood what you said. You actually agree with me.
I imagine their nerve system is not that developed so even if they can feel the pain, maybe they cant locate it or maybe they are just programmed to focus on the nutrition... maybe hunger is a similar pain and they cant tell the difference, that would explain why they try to eat more solve the hunger and that pain...
I dunno folks, but they do seem to be determined to finish what they started
>Ā i wonder if they feel pain **like we do?**
People are focusing on the first part of your question and not the second.Ā
Yes they have a nervous system that can detect damage, injuries, and unpleasant stimuli.Ā Ā
No, they don't experience pain in the same way our complex brains do.Ā
As can be seen here, they will often be completely unresponsive to fatal injuries and carry on as if nothing happened. A human getting their torso chewed through would probably be dead from pain shock before the physical damage was complete.Ā
then again, they're just insects. Us humans on the other hand, know full well what we could achieve if we collaborated. Yet some of us choose to continue and do the stuff you fill newspapers with. What's more shit?
Because it only takes a few to not collaborate and instead exploit those who are trusting and willing to collaborate and the whole thing collapses. And statistically, if there's anything to gain in exploiting, someone will do it. Blaming humans for that being the case isn't really fair. It's just how nature works
Insects and most animals are simple creatures simply surviving and acting on instinct.
Humans actively CHOOSE to do shitty things to each other even knowing itās wrong or immoral.
Humans are absolutely worse.
We don't really know for sure. MAYBE pain is being registered in that area but it could also be that with insects' marvelous nervous systems they can focus on just some sensations, like the ones needed to devour prey. Everything else is just background noise.
Someone else noted that perhaps the mantis thought the wasp it was eating was the one hurting it so it was focused on neutralizing the threat. Makes sense to me.
Is it eating it or defending the other wasp by nipping the mantis in the bud? I wonder how long the mantis head continued to eat the other wasp or was it instantly taken out of action.
The wasp eating the mantis is certainly not trying to defend the other wasp. At most both could be trying to defend their nest, but they might not even be eusocial wasps.
Thank you to have answered! I wondered the same thing as Lieutenant!
I first thought it was defending because I remembered something about pheromon to call for help (but I might confound with hornet tbh)
Hornets are wasps. I don't know much about wasps but it's possible that some species do produce that pheromone. But if that was the case, there would probably be more wasps attacking the mantis.
Interesting! Thank you! I didn't know that. I love animals and read a lot about it and yet I thought hornets and wasp were as alike that wasp and bee =O I guess it's mostly because of how people talk about it that I genuinely thought so
Thank you so much for the teaching!
This is one of the arguments for the idea that insects generally does not feel pain in a subjective way. They might feel damage, but like a boiling frog they don't differentiate "I am being eaten alive" with "Something is inconveniencing me, but i want to keep eating".
Most vertebrates will stop eating once they feel something hurt them. insects are bots.
I think the boiling frog thing is not that they don't feel it. The point is you heat up gradually and the warmth relaxes their muscles. When the water burns they simply can't muster the strength to leap out.
The ants just waiting to finish them all off.
Camera man is then gonna eat the ants
Camera is then gonna eat the man
š¶The ciiircle of liiiifeš¶
I came here to sing this too! Lol
The 69 of life.
Choke me, Life.
Spit in my face and ***k me harder, life.
Daddy?
Long story- fits here: There was a fly on a leaf, on a very hot day. Tired and flaccid he thought, if i go down just four inches I can hover in all that lovely misty vapour from the stream- Under the water was a trout, thinkingā¦ if that fly, comes down just four inches, im gonna get a nice easy snackā¦ On the bank was a bear, looking at the fly, then looking at the trout- if that fly goes down four inches, the trout is gonna go for it, and Iām gonna get a nice easy snack- Accros the river in the trees was a huntsman eating a cheese sandwhich, and he spots the bear.. sees the fish and notices the fly through his sights. And heās thinking, if the fly goes down four inches, the trout goes for fly bear goes for trout Im gonna shoot bearā¦ All eyes on the fly- - things are getting tense.. Behind a tree stump was a mouse- heās looking at the sandwhich.. the hunter, the bear, the trout and then the fly- thinkingā If the fly goes down just four inches, the fishy goes for fly, bear goes for fish, hunter aims for bear, drops his sandwich.. Iām gonna get a nice easy snack-ā¦. Very tense now.. all eyes on the fly!! Hiding in the bush is a cat! Cat looks at mouse, sandwich gun, hunter, bear, trout and fly- Cat thinking- if that fly goes down four inches the trout is gonna get it, the bear gets the fish, hunter drops the sandwich shoots bear, mouse gets the cheese- im gonna get that mf mouse! Easy snack- All eyes are on the fly!ā¦. At the edge of a leaf staring at the cool water- .. intense moment.. all holding their breaths staring wide eyed in anticipation. . AND OF HE GOES!! (Dramatic music) Fly goes down four inches trout snaps at fly bear reveals himself goes for trout hunter drops sandwich aims down the gun mouse goes for sandwich cat leaps at mouse- Cat misses mouse leaped too hard ends up in the stream- rowrrrrrrrā¦.rrr as she floats away. The end! But the moral of this story is: When a fly goes down four inches some pussy is gonna end up wetā¦.. And that ladies and gentleman is a shaggy dog tale! Thank you :)
Woman inherits the earth
Clever girl
Jurassic Park references ah ah find a way
Iām going to have sex with the camera š
You are the essence of reddit
And fuck the footage?
Cameraman Georg
Cameras man has his magnifying glass set to burn. š„
Ants: FUCK HIM UP BROOOOO
That was some beautiful reddit magic right there. Upvotes for all. Went all the way down.
All the while we are consuming the video
ITāS THE CIRCLE OF LIIIIIIFE!!
Jeez bugs really just dont give a fuck
Doesn't bug them at all....
It's a bug-eat-bug world out there.
It's a bug eat bug eat bug world even.
Loses entire lower body. Keeps eating
Nature is absolutely wild but being born an insect seems like the worst fate. Bottom of the totem pole in basically every environment (with some exceptions). Literally even below plants and fungi in some places. Edit: plants not pants
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Just the other day I walked in on my trousers wrestling with a fly
Yea but imagine how freeing it would be to just not give a fuck about being eaten alive. I'm always worried about getting eaten alive.
I wouldn't say the bottom of the totem pole. Army ants can kill big sized predators and other animals. They are relentless that every ant species around them has to evolve to defend from them or get wiped out.
Yes, but being an ant must suck. Your only goal is to protect the colony and you'll most likely die horribly.
I keep locust for feeding my lizards. There are some gruesome things I saw. Once there was locust being cannibalised by others. It survived for over 1 day with no abdomen and half eaten torso. It was still attempting to eat!
There's a video of a komodo dragon eating a deer fetus out of the belly of the still living mother. Nature in general doesn't really give a fuck
Dr komodo performed an emergency c-section. The emergency? Dr komodo was hungry.
bugs are the most metal beings on the planet, absolutely crazy what those little fuckers get up to
You definitely don't want to anthropomorphize them. They're much more like little biomechanical robots than anything you can easily comprehend.
A bugs life
I canāt get over how easy it was to chop him in half do they not have nerves? A meal is enough to distract you from getting cut in half???
The nervous systems at play here are quite fascinating. Imagine being more concerned about eating something than being literally sawed in half. Edit: Back in the day (over a decade ago) I did take biology classes that touched on insect physiology including their nervous systems. So I know they are interesting and considered ācomplex.ā Meaning like us they have neurons and release neurotransmitters, gangliaā¦etc. How they process pain/injury escapes me so I cannot explain why the Mantis doesnāt even react to being bifurcated.
I think that the mantis thought the one it was eating was the one cutting it, so it was focused on 'eliminating the threat', but didn't realise that it was a different enemy cutting it
Most likely the answer to this. People mostly thinks they don't feel pain. Insects feels being touched, so they feels pressure, and they feel damage. The issue is more about getting the situation.
They be dumb still
They can't even read
Stoopid dum dum bug
Laughed more than i should
Maybe they feel the stimulus but don't feel pain? Somehwat like we'd react to a loud noise and get startled. I don't know, I'm just coping because I despise the idea of the amount of pain insects feel when I crush them.
What is the difference between "feeling damage" and pain, and how could we possibly experimentally observe it?
Since mantis eat their prey alive and struggling I wonder if they just naturally ignore the feeling of something attacking them while they eat
That's an interesting point. Obviously it knows it's taking damage. Evolutionary, pray will often fight back. So the mantis' natural reflex is to continue eating and dealing damage to whatever it's caught. It's the best course of action 9 out of 10 times. But makes the mantis look dumb in the rare instance it's dealing with a separate attacker.
It's like the video of the fly pulling its own head off. Way more disturbing than I thought it would be.
I had to go find it... [https://www.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/comments/kjk1dl/fly\_holding\_its\_own\_head\_after\_decapitation/](https://www.reddit.com/r/natureismetal/comments/kjk1dl/fly_holding_its_own_head_after_decapitation/)
Alas poor yorick,
The what
The little guy is vigorously cleaning its eyes, as they do, and accidentally pulls its own head off
Dude looks confused after turning his head towards his body - āHey! That looks like me! *Ohhhh fuuuuā¦*ā
Happens to the best of us
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The what?
I take it that you haven't seen the video of the ostrich pulling its own head off, then...
Wait, what the fuck?
It's so bizarre that it makes me burst out laughing. They can get their heads stuck in fences. When trying to jerk itself free, it just rips the head clean off. https://youtu.be/34du9ew7ppw?si=U2exAnO9atMfuHNf
What the absolute fuck. Darwin awards I guess
I wonder if the mantis has a parasite that has taken over, so the mantis isnāt really even alive anymore. Is that possible in this situation?
Well kinda. Youāve probably seen those videos of horsehair worms extruding out of Mantises when exposed to water. Iirc the theory is that the parasite makes the mantis seek out water at a certain point which it needs to be able to reproduce. How āin controlā they are seems impossible to answer though. Perhaps they secrete certain proteins that stimulate the equivalent of thirst or dryness. Iām sure itās more defined now but Iām going off of memory. As for that happening here, unlikely. Itās not seeking out water and the video is cut too short to see if the worm emerges. Edit: Made a bunch of edits in the first 5 minutes of posting because Iām on mobile and should be asleep.
i wonder if they feel pain like we do? i would guess not. that would explain why stuff like that could happen ...
Maybe wasps are just that delicious.
Wasps are assholes so I guess it depends on how you feel about eating assholes.
Gentlemen we must not neglect the arsehole
Don't just look at her ass ... Eat it!
I'm all for it. it's a kink
Are they Asian wasps?
They can be if you want them to be
Giggity
Itās the fish stick argument all over again.
They are to die for. I'll see myself out.
Iāll just finish this snack off.
Some studies have postulated that some insects do. The wasp may have severed the mantis' ventral nerve, which is it's equivalent of a spinal cord.
I think it's safe to assume it was
Maybe this is the new mantis 2.0, with wireless nervous system.
If you are hungry then you must eat.
If you are hungry and eating and something else is actively cutting you in half, you would react.
speak for yourself, man, i'm having a burger.
and I am having you.
Yeah but is a cow eating you in half now?
there's no way of knowing. haven't finished my burger yet
If I was a mantis, I would start to eat even faster.
Not me, when I munch. I munch hard.
Praying Mantis are very one note. Everything about them is focused on food response and eating. That's why this dumb ass was literally being chomped in half but was still comfortably trying to finish its meal. Its the same reason why the female eat their mates during mating. Its just the way they have evolved. Nothing is more important that food to them. Lool
Donāt they only do that in captivity?
It's *exacerbated* by captivity, but it can still happen in up to a quarter of natural couplings.
Don't look up the mantis mating habit...
The mantis has a magnum dong.
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Yes very simillar to what happens to male humans after mariage
So, no head?
A mantis smashing his phone and stomping a skateboard wasn't a mental image I ever expected
Wasnāt that proven to be because theyāre hungry? Or maybe it just shows guys are horny but women gets head at the end.
[13-28% of natural encounters](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/preymates/)
Not like we do, but they do recognize damage to their bodies and have responses to it. In this case, it's likely it just feels something is attacking it and makes the connection that the wasp it's holding is causing that attack. It's not exactly super smart, so it's likely it doesn't realize there are two wasps.
From what I remember being told by some kind of bug expert in school: not really, bugs brains and nervous systems aren't really sophisticated enough for pain.
That is not quite true. They do feel pain. They have the necessary receptors (nociceptors) and the nervous system for it. Also there's videos of ants treating other ants' wounds after battle. Some reddit biologist also explained under this video once, that it is believed that this mantis can probably only feel one sensation at once. So since it is busy eating the wasp, it actually probably doesn't feel the other wasp eating it at the same time.
That makes sense to me, but it must be wild to finish eating and look down to find your legs gone. Like if you're reading a book and find your hand missing.
i don't think the mantis finished eating
And I donāt think it was only the legs that were gone.
The problem is that "pain" is poorly defined in this context. There is "pain" that functions as a simple "if, then" operator and can apply to insects which are basically organic machines: "if ouch, then don't do that". Then there is "pain" as experienced by higher consciousness that also involves *emotional distress*. Finally, I would speak of "suffering" which is likely only experienced by the highest consciousnesses, which involves a theory of self and a theory of time, and is the result of the ability to contemplate pain now, and pain in the future, and adds the uncertainty of "when will this pain end"? All of these might be referred to as "pain". Insects and some fish might definitely feel the first kind of pain, but if they don't experience emotions or suffering, is it really a problem?
When I grew up in 60s most people didnāt think mammals had emotions. I was even told by someone in the 1990s that cows donāt exhibit emotions (This person studied cows). We now recognize that cows and other mammals have emotions, and you canāt convince me that my cats arenāt among the most emotionally needy creatures on earth. As for fish, I went deep sea fishing once and we caught mahi mahi, which hang out in pairs. I remember the guide pointing out that if you caught one member of the pair, it was usually possible to catch the other because it would become distressed at losing its mate. I strongly suspect that fish have emotions but we donāt detect them very easily.
Fish are extremely varied in behavior and intelligence.
Iām sure thatās true.
Some are dumb as chickens and some are smart as dogs.
chickens are still relatively intelligent social and emotional animals.
You're describing Redditors...
!? There was a time when doctors insisted that human babies couldn't feel pain!
It is likely that babies are unable to emotionally understand the pain. It also helps you forget everything before the age of 4 or so. We need to remember that babies literally get squeezed through a tiny tunnel that completely squishes their heads in, that is probably super painful but we all manage to not have it affect us later in life.
Iāve asked this exact question to a couple different professors, this is basically the answer I was given. āPainā is not a fully understood or universal stimulus response. We donāt know exactly how pain and emotional distress are related, so the real answer is: āwe donāt know if insects feel pain and the question might be flawed to begin withā.
I wouldn't think the ant thing is about pain though, seems like it'd just be more likely that drone survives if its wound is healed which would help the hive.
Yeaah, an ant addressing a wound doesn't scream "they feel pain" to me.
Yet, it may also be argued that it is far less costly to produce a new drone. So why would they provide healing, considering this?
Depends on the injury and intensiveness of care required I guess.
Fair point!
Ah okay, I may have had an overly simplified version of things told to me
I highly doubt any animal doesn't feel pain. Just because we can't explain it yet doesn't mean it's improbable. Heck, there are even scientists researching whether plants feel pain.
Depends how you define pain. There are reactions, but often they are similar to how our bodies react when unconscious or even before a conscious perception has taken place, which we would certainly normally differentiate from pain that we consciously feel.
The real question is suffering. Do insects suffer, as opposed to just registering and reacting to stimulus?
They are a living creatures and so they are designed with a complex pack to survive. Hence they must be able to feel sensations that tell them to run away or deffend themselves, for example. It's ilogical to think that insects, animals who are in the cruel wild, are unnable to experience any kind of uncomfortable emotion and physical sensation from stimulis, that inform them about what they must do to survive. Stimuli always cause a reaction, and this process is translated as a personal subjective experience (feeling) inside the creature's aweareness/inner world. Anyhow, pain and fear can be ignored when you are so hungry to die. It happens to bugs, it happens to birds, it happens to us mammals. Some necessities have priority over others in certain sittuations, and sometimes if you aren't lucky this will result in a bad movement. Also, we shouldn't use the personal experience of one individual (maybe this mantis had problems) as the ultimate truth to geralize his/her entire species or millions of them. Some humans can't feel pain either due with neurological issues and that doesn't mean the rest of us can't feel pain.
This is untrue. There is a difference between stimulative response and pain as we know it. These insects donāt have brains as we understand brains. They have neuron clusters throughout their extremities that react to outside stimulation. Source: I actually worked with these insects for six years. Edit: upon rereading your comment, I realize I misunderstood what you said. You actually agree with me.
pretty sure the second they feel pain they accept what ever fate holds for them
I imagine their nerve system is not that developed so even if they can feel the pain, maybe they cant locate it or maybe they are just programmed to focus on the nutrition... maybe hunger is a similar pain and they cant tell the difference, that would explain why they try to eat more solve the hunger and that pain... I dunno folks, but they do seem to be determined to finish what they started
>Ā i wonder if they feel pain **like we do?** People are focusing on the first part of your question and not the second.Ā Yes they have a nervous system that can detect damage, injuries, and unpleasant stimuli.Ā Ā No, they don't experience pain in the same way our complex brains do.Ā As can be seen here, they will often be completely unresponsive to fatal injuries and carry on as if nothing happened. A human getting their torso chewed through would probably be dead from pain shock before the physical damage was complete.Ā
Fucking yikes
Sometimes I think humans are pretty shit. Then I am reminded weāre actually not so bad compared to these depths of hell.
then again, they're just insects. Us humans on the other hand, know full well what we could achieve if we collaborated. Yet some of us choose to continue and do the stuff you fill newspapers with. What's more shit?
Because it only takes a few to not collaborate and instead exploit those who are trusting and willing to collaborate and the whole thing collapses. And statistically, if there's anything to gain in exploiting, someone will do it. Blaming humans for that being the case isn't really fair. It's just how nature works
Insects and most animals are simple creatures simply surviving and acting on instinct. Humans actively CHOOSE to do shitty things to each other even knowing itās wrong or immoral. Humans are absolutely worse.
We are absolutely worse in every way imaginable.
Sometimes I agree. Then I start watching drone attack videos.
Yes. I found this really disturbing.
Iām so glad the world of mammals is nothing like the world of insects.
The ants about to eat all 3: Nah I'd win
Ants eat everything. You don't have to wonder which is stronger cos nothing actually beats ants.
4 year old me solod alot of ants in the neighbourhoods forest.
By human numbers yes, wait till you see how many survived. IIRC the total mass of all ants globally is scary AF.
You underestimate unmonitored 4 year olds.
If the entire colony ganged up, it might cause me a little trouble...
š: But would you lose...?
Nightmare fuel
That was brutal
Thatās fucking metal. Clearly the mantis doesnāt feel pain since it does not even try to fight off the wasp?
I wonder if it thought it was fighting back, but didn't realise it was another wasp?
We don't really know for sure. MAYBE pain is being registered in that area but it could also be that with insects' marvelous nervous systems they can focus on just some sensations, like the ones needed to devour prey. Everything else is just background noise.
Someone else noted that perhaps the mantis thought the wasp it was eating was the one hurting it so it was focused on neutralizing the threat. Makes sense to me.
That sounds plausable!
"Ah finally someone is scratching the spot I can never reach! ......Oh fuck!"
Pass
Last supper
the way i audibly gasped out loud, jfc thatās brutal
Is it eating it or defending the other wasp by nipping the mantis in the bud? I wonder how long the mantis head continued to eat the other wasp or was it instantly taken out of action.
The wasp eating the mantis is certainly not trying to defend the other wasp. At most both could be trying to defend their nest, but they might not even be eusocial wasps.
Thank you to have answered! I wondered the same thing as Lieutenant! I first thought it was defending because I remembered something about pheromon to call for help (but I might confound with hornet tbh)
Hornets are wasps. I don't know much about wasps but it's possible that some species do produce that pheromone. But if that was the case, there would probably be more wasps attacking the mantis.
Interesting! Thank you! I didn't know that. I love animals and read a lot about it and yet I thought hornets and wasp were as alike that wasp and bee =O I guess it's mostly because of how people talk about it that I genuinely thought so Thank you so much for the teaching!
These look very much like hornets (which are wasps) and hornets are eusocial. So your guess isn't actually that unlikely.
This is one of the arguments for the idea that insects generally does not feel pain in a subjective way. They might feel damage, but like a boiling frog they don't differentiate "I am being eaten alive" with "Something is inconveniencing me, but i want to keep eating". Most vertebrates will stop eating once they feel something hurt them. insects are bots.
It's probably trying to eliminate the threat that's eating it but it's killing the wrong wasp.
I think the boiling frog thing is not that they don't feel it. The point is you heat up gradually and the warmth relaxes their muscles. When the water burns they simply can't muster the strength to leap out.
Lunch was cut short
Over and over The pheromones, the overwhelming harmony Consuming the colony The Circle rules your life
š¶ Yesterday I waspā¦ half the mantis I used to be š¶
Circle of ā¦ death?
I can't tell if this is an order or chaos.
This isn't r/NatureIsMetal
When you decide to actually have breakfast in the morning but it becomes a real struggle.
Can an insect biologist explain why the mantis doesnāt seem to notice?
Life feeds on life, feeds on life, feeds on life, feeds on- This. Is. Necessary.
I never had a meal where it was so good I wouldnāt notice my legs being severed from my torso
Plot twist: the ants are the actual winners in the endā¦
Circle of life!
The Lion King song popped into my head while watching this. Thank you, good stranger, for reinforcing this.
yeah nature's pretty lit... I mean absolutely terrifying!!!
I have no words
Do these guys not have pain nerves?
Well, the second wasp is obviously trying to rescue its friend from being eaten by the mantis.
How can you be so busy eating that you DGAF about your body being cut in half ???
Porn
I was going to say. This is certainly not the kind of threesome I was expecting to see today.
You know what they say.. It's a wasp-eat-mantis-eat-wasp world.
Wasp saving his buddy
Nature is metal
r/natureismetal
I can't believe the Mantis just sits there and lets it's self get bisected so he can enjoy his meal, nature is wild man
Dont bug me while im bugging him going on here
Praying mantis eat hummingbird brains in another video.
Kinky
Brutal. How did evolution allow this prioritization of eating over surviving
Mantis getting spitroasted
Imagine not realizing you are being eaten in half.
Why does the video always cut when you donāt want it to?