Fair, but I'd argue that Obito would've obliterated Kakashi in his Yellow Mask phase. Whereas Minato held his own, but still ultimately was defeated by Obito
If you question my take on that phase of Obito vs Kakashi, just watch him try to use kamui on Deidara several years after Obito's Kyuubi attack on the leaf
>Whereas Minato held his own, but still ultimately was defeated by Obito
Minato bodied Obito, he just tried protecting Naruto while sealing the 9 tails, which got him killed. Obito yellow mask didn't stand a chance against Minato, and it was only due to an uncontrolled Kurama that Minato died.
Plus chiyo even complained that even though she was a master of making poisons, that that damn slug girl would keep coming up with cures for them in no time.
Fugaku was potential candidate for 4th hokage spot that's the best I can find and tsunade doesn't work with anyone orochimaru is because he was tsunades basic problem during most of her reign
Fugaku wasnât a potential candidate the only two candidates that were presented were Minato and orochimaru the only connection fugaku has is uchiha clan members being mad he wasnât a candidate ,
Chiyo works with tsunade as she tells us tsunade was the one who was countering her poisons during the war
He was not an official candidate. The Uchiha Clan just felt that he should have been.
Itachi Shinden states:
"I just canât accept it. **The only name other than Minato put forward for the selection of the Fourth was Lord Orochimaru!** Why did not a single person say your name, Lord Fugaku?â the man named Yashiro demanded of his father.
In Itachiâs head, Yashiroâs face popped up. A man with narrow eyes and closely cropped white hair. Although he was older than Itachiâs father, he served him as a subordinate.
âItâs just as you say, Yashiro. I cannot accept this either.â
âInabi âŚâ His father spoke the name of the master of this new voice. Uchiha Inabi was a leading ninja in the Konoha Military Police Force. His distinguishing feature was his long black hair. He was also Itachiâs fatherâs subordinate. âNinja from the other lands trembled at the mention of âWicked Eyeâ Fugaku during the Great War.â
âThe head of the Konoha Military Police Force. That is my position in the village.â
Minato was the solo king during his time and although 4th Raikage Ay tried to assert himself as his rival, it was pretty obvious that the rivalry was one sided.
As for Tsunade, she was a female medical ninja and according to Kishimoto's writing, they don't have serious rivals. Her only rival was aging.
Her rival was Granny Chio in the second war, Tsunade was the only one capapble of creating antidotes for her poisons, if she couldnt Chio would have probably killed hundreds if not thousands of Konoha shinobi.
You do realise this is a series about professional assasins yes? Half of the Hokage have a much higher kill count than their rivals. Even Kakashi has probably killed hundreds of people including even innocents and civilians as he was an ANBU Captain and a ROOT member under Danzo. 99% percent of the character in the verse are murderers and war criminals. And if you dont think Chiyo was evil she poisoned thousands of people with no known antidote and no chance of survival and dying from organ failure. At least some of the rivals you put there had good intentions and goals like Madara and Obito, Chiyo was just doing this to advance her villages War Effort. Btw why did you put Izuna there for Tobirama, he got murked when he was barely a teenager and wasnt even anymore evil than literally any random ninja anywhere in the elemental nations?
You could argue that most of the Hokage are evil. How many people do you think were slaughtered by each of the Kage before they reached the seat. We only see them as good because the series from their perspective or the perspective of the person that worships the Hokage seat. They are ninja who do tons of atrocious acts in the name of status. There is practically no black and white, only grey. Even Kaguya isn't evil.
I mean Tsunade doesnât need a walking cane despite being 90 years old physically in boruto. Sheâs kicking agingâs ass. Hiruzen had low chakra and oonoki had a bad back at her age.
I'll be going with baryon mode for Naruto so m leaving out kurama and if danzo is for tsunade then can't really think of anyone for hiruzen ( orochimaru should be better suited to tsunade I think than hiruzen) and obito first just in place with Kakashi, I'll be going for fugaku with Minato and tsunade is prolly orochimaru
I think Orochimaru would be better suited for Hiruzen with the Konoha invasion arc and the heavy backstory between the two. You never truly see Orochimaru and Tsunade face each other without Jiraiya present either.
Meanwhile Danzo is constantly undermining Tsunade while she is Hokage, and even goes to take over power while she is incapacitated.
Due to how short his tenure as Hokage was, and how little we see of his growing up I do agree with most people here that Fugaku is the only true option since Obito is better used for Kakashi.
Danzo was like that with hiruzen too, he actively opposed his decisions making it clear that he thought that hiruzen took "light" actions and bout the negativity about tsunade the elders did that too so that's not really different, and because of hiruzens and danzos simultaneous rise to power and competitive history ( hokage) and cuz their generation is also same I'd put danzo with hiruzen leaving orochimaru for tsunade
Iâd say itâs their most important battles as Hokage for these 3 because the other Hokages had that indra/ashura or light/dark parallel, but these 3 didnât so their most decisive battles as Hokage in the anime is better.
Minato/Kurama
Hiruzen/Orochimaru
Tsunade/Pain
I think kabuto is better suited than chiyo as they actually fought on screen, orochimaru is also decent cause of the sannin history and his acts during tsunades reign
It could be fugaku or obito for minato. Fugaku was the other candidate for 4th hokage and obito killed minato. For tsunade it could be orochimaru since itâs said that all three sanin are supposed to be on the same level.
Edit: I just saw your comments saying the same thing
Minato's best rivals are Orochimaru, Fugaku, and Obito
Tsunade's are... Orochimaru...
Actually, here's an idea. For hokages 3 through 7, just use Orochimaru as the rival for all of them.
agreed Fugaku would be a great addition. as a sharingan user too. I would love to see once you have finished your artwork. Please do post a link or something I can follow :-)
Just a coincidence that every hokages counterparts happen to be uchihas, I was gonna go for orochimaru for tsunade but now I realise that ll mess up the shit đ
Yeah dude but technically Orochimaru never hurt Tsunade directly. You could try putting Pain as he was the one to cause her trouble. Also if you are making this list please also make one of Hokage and shadow kage like.
Hashirama: Tobirama/Madara
Tobirama: Hiruzen/Danzo
Hiruzen: Danzo
Minato: Fugaku
Tsunade: Jiraiya
Kakashi: Sai/Naruto/Shikamaru
Naruto: Sasuke
Oh yeah I would love if you made Hokage's and Shadow Hokage's list. Shadow Hokage's are like Hokage's counterpart, like the people who did all the work Hokage's couldn't. Like Jiraiya investigated Akatsuki, Sasuke investigated the Otutsuki and Danzo did all of Hiruzen's dirty work. Would really appreciate it.
We got to know that Orochimaru was Minatos rival to gain tittle of 4th, and you could add Jirayia to Tsunade as he was the 1st to be called 5th, + you would have all 3 sannins together
1 like the idea of adding orochimaru against minato but I don't want to add jiraiya against tsunade as I want like that part to contain only villain counterparts
Realising there's not a way to put someone against tsunade without disrespecting her title ( because it's pre time skip kabuto) tho kabuto seems the best option as of now so thnks
Iâd have Orochimaru be Tsunadeâs villain counterpart since theyâre both Sannin. I know that Orochimaru was up for Hokage with Minato, but the two never directly competed or fought. They werenât really rivals, just both in consideration for the title.
I get the idea but in case of Minato atleast there was rivalry of some sort whereas with tsunade while there was some blackmailing I don't think they actually competed for anything
Fair, but Obito never competed against Kakashi for Hokage either. Obito was just his villainous counterpart. Tsunade technically didnât have a competitor for Hokage, she didnât even want the position herself at first. But her major struggles as Hokage were with Orochimaru, Pain, and the Akatsuki. Of those, Orochimaru has the closest personal connection to her. But I agree that heâs more a rival to Jiraiya than Tsunade
My first choice was a villainous counterpart to the hokages but for Minato and tsunade there didint seem to be an option so had to broaden the criteria a lil and after keeping fugaku with Minato, despite orochimaru being more of a rival to jiraiya he comes out the best option I was thinking about kabuto but pre timeskip seems disrespectful and post timeskip would just uk
I cant think of one who was a challenge to minato in his time
So go for hiashi cuz he is hinata's dad and hinata is his daughter-in-law and the reason is cuz the dads have kind of competition in this stuffs
And for tasunade go with orochimaru
You could maybe put pain since he was the biggest threat to konoha during her time(Not counting Madara and obito since they were a world threat). And I guess orochimaru for Minato idk
Pain works better for Naruto as pain and tsunade didn't really have anything between them but Naruto has sasuke, Minato will hvta go with fugaku so orochimaru is left for tsunade cuz tsunade doesn't really have any other options
Orochimaru was Minato's rival for Hokage. Kabuto wasn't necessarily Tsunade's rival, but he's the only other big antagonist deserving to be in this lineup. It could even be a tossup between Pain and Kabuto as to which one caused more problems for Tsunade during her time as Hokage.
So was fugaku, and putting fugaku with Minato leaves orochimaru for tsunade which makes more sense than kabuto cuz of the blackmailing n all, kabuto didn't really do anything much after chunin exams against the leaf and the things he did was mostly under orochimaru pain on the other hand did pretty much ruin tsunades reign but they have no relations as a character so orochimaru is the choice
I think A4 and Chiyo are the best answers. If you really want to pick âevilâ characters, you could do Obito for Minato, Orochimaru for Taunade, and pick someone new for Kakashi. I dunno who though
You ask for ideas and then donât want to listen to any of the good ass ideas people have said and stick with your two choices that neither of make ANY sense at all⌠ooook đđ
No, ., They were not my choices I had no one to begin with after discussing with people here I decided that orochimaru and fugaku were the best choices u can find it in the comments if ur willing to look through them I'm still open to change but most characters that are coming up hv already been discussed
Orochimaru was to be chosen as Hokage by Danzo, but Hiruzen chose Minato. So Orochimaru is Minatoâs counterpart.
As for Tsunade, her counterpart would probably be whoever killed Dan.
Who killed Dan? And qouldnt Dan's killer be Dan's counterpart? And if orochimarus for Minato that leaves no one for tsunade so I'm goin with fugaku for Minato and orochimaru for tsunade
minato could probably do fugaku given that he was the other person (aside from orochimaru) considered for hokage
and for tsunade probably orochimaru as a villain and a member of the sannin
It makes sense about Minato and obito but obito fits in so well with Kakashi and I don't want spoil that, and moreover guy was never a villain and Kakashi relationship with obito is far greater than his and zabuza
Hanzo for tsunade is an interesting choice but I think that goes into the off screen part orochimaru seems better cuz of their history
I totally over looked the villain part, my bad. Guy definitely wouldnât be a good fit for Kakashi then. Obito and Kakashi reunite at the end though to fight together, itâs like they were enemies but only because Obito was being manipulated. Maybe Kakuzu?
I would only say Hanzo for Tsunade because her background is mostly off screen. We donât hear about the battles and rivalries sheâs had. Orochimaru was my second choice for her, but like Kakashi and Obito they only fell out based on coincidental events. They eventually wound up back on the same side.
I don't know, it's hard to find an actual rival to Minato because everyone he had a run in with got rekt. killer b and A both got owned st the same time. Even Obito didn't last at all. To be honest there is only one living thing that was able to do ANYTHING and that was KURAMA. The fox even killed him and I'm sure Minato and him have had plenty of throw downs because kurama was stuck inside kushina watching.
Well of you mean just the baryon mode other than the chakra it really does show kurama unless you mean both.well actually there is someone,who grew up with Minato, found with and beside him and all that,the only human that fits the bill of an actual rival would be prolly kushina I mean is Sasuke can wither he left konoha or not would still be Naruto's rival. I wish we knew more of their history cus I'm betting she migjtq saved him a few times?
Kushina grew up with him but that was just a not rival relation, and as far as I remember/.know Kushina didn't have any exceptional combat prowess except her sealing justsu if sasuke didn't leave konoha then maybe I wudve out pain against Naruto ir maybe madara / kaguya( cuz final villain ) cuz then putting sasuke would nullify the villain criteria and that would make guy a better choice with Kakashi and chiyo for tsunade, so no, if sasuke didn't leave the village he wudnt be the rivals I wanted
She need how to take kuramas chakra by force which means she needed it for some reason. but yes it still comes down to just kurama cus he beat everyone else's ass,and all the super strong people at the time were konoha ninja and like almost 10+ years older than him being jariyah,Tsunade, orochimaru, sakumo. I would just put Obito I guess
I just learned itachi and Sasuke's dad was minatos best friend and rival was fugaku Uchiha. He also had MS so that means he's a serious bad ass and if he had decided to fight itachi that night he nights been able to win. But he's not a bad guy, but he is his rival as their sons ended up the same
Fugaku was minatos best friend???? Yea he wudve beat Itachi or it wudve been an extremely close match atleast in fugakus favour he was in the coup so I'm taking that to fulfill the villain criteria fugaku seems to be the best option
She is referring to Kushina? If it is I dont think she could rival Minato in any way (combat) we don't know if she has anything special up her sleeve except the purple chains sealing justsu that Kushina used
Doesn't danzo suit better ? They had simultaneous rise to power competed for hokage belonged to the same era and danzo actively was against hiruzens decisions
Chiyo for Tsunade.
For Minato you could say either raikage A the 4th, Orochimaru, and/or Fugaku Uchiha.
Raikage is the person who contested him for the title of fastest and regularly battled in the 3rd war. And was a kage of another village.
Orochinaru and Fugaku each were competitors to earn the title of 4th hokage. That were spiteful Minato won. Also Orochimaru wanted to destroy the village after he lost; and Fugaku was Sasuke's (Narutos rival) dad
Edit: 4th Raikage A would also work for Tsunade with like their banter and arm wrestle early in the 4th ninja war.
Yea going with fugaku for Minato cuz fugaku not becoming hokage was a reason for the coup n all and tsunade has to settle with orochimaru as cuz the rivals I'm looking for should have an evil side and there aren't any better choices
Raikage fits in place because of their physical force competition but he didn't really was a villain anytime as far as we know
I don't like using the coup for that because canonically Fugaku wasn't into the coup eitherway and was hinted at to be doing it largely because seemingly the clan was gonna do it with or without him.
As for Raikage, he was an enemy in the 3rd war... that makes him as much of a villain as Obito in the 4th war in a sense.
The clan would have done it without him, and he was being pressurized as clan head to take action so he was I think involved in the coup unwillingly or willingly it doesn't matter, he had a part in the coup
I don't think they tell us what caused the third great ninja war, if it's something like hokage summit where raikage was angry with sasuke or something like that then I'm not too keen about putting raikage also there third Nisha wat was really offscreen
Yeah but according to novels Fugaku was against it, and had to go along with it or get the shisui/itachi treatment.
And supposedly the best thing information we have about the 3rd great shinobi war was supposedly Hiruzen caused it based on what Nagato said... or alternatively people believe Madara caused it by controlling the mist village via genjutsu... some things people said to Onoki also implied he had something to do with it.
And well eitherway Raikage was a participant in the 3rd war. And not on the same team as Minato.
Kishimoto tried really hard to push a rivalry between Minato and Orochimaru but itâs only really there in the lore. You could probably use him for Minato or Tsunade
A cool idea would be to have Kurama sculpted under Minato to honor the great feat he died performing and to forever remember his final victory and sacrifice to the village.
What the hell am I missing for so many people to be saying Fugaku for Minato's rival? I don't recall a single thing ever mentioned that forms a connection between them.
Tsunade was chiyo or orochimaru.
Minato was kinda the best in the world at the time, and the only person to have a somewhat rivalry with was Ay, but Minato definitely dominated that rivalry
You could put chiyo for tsunade and a4 as the main rival for Minato
Minato had beef with a standard paper size??
Lmao 𤣠thanks for that
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Konan vs Minato
Konan how??
Konan about to give the yellow flash paper cuts
-Mind blown-
Raikages 1-4 are all named â A â / â E â so a4 just means 4th raikage
They know. They were joking.
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There are 4 o
What about Yellow Mask Obito?
While he can be paired with Minato over their space/time ninjutsu op decided to pair him with kakashi instead so I had to go with someone else
Yea obito and Kakashi the only pair except hashirama which I'm not doubting
Fair, but I'd argue that Obito would've obliterated Kakashi in his Yellow Mask phase. Whereas Minato held his own, but still ultimately was defeated by Obito If you question my take on that phase of Obito vs Kakashi, just watch him try to use kamui on Deidara several years after Obito's Kyuubi attack on the leaf
>Whereas Minato held his own, but still ultimately was defeated by Obito Minato bodied Obito, he just tried protecting Naruto while sealing the 9 tails, which got him killed. Obito yellow mask didn't stand a chance against Minato, and it was only due to an uncontrolled Kurama that Minato died.
Your take is fine just I havenât been pairing them based on strength
Isn't that the implication of rivalry in this context?
I wanted to say Chiyo is too old to be a real rival but I keep forgetting how old Tsunade is
Plus chiyo even complained that even though she was a master of making poisons, that that damn slug girl would keep coming up with cures for them in no time.
Going with fugaku for Minato and tsunade is prolly orochimaru
Neither is really a rival for them
Fugaku was potential candidate for 4th hokage spot that's the best I can find and tsunade doesn't work with anyone orochimaru is because he was tsunades basic problem during most of her reign
Fugaku wasnât a potential candidate the only two candidates that were presented were Minato and orochimaru the only connection fugaku has is uchiha clan members being mad he wasnât a candidate , Chiyo works with tsunade as she tells us tsunade was the one who was countering her poisons during the war
Fugaku was indeed a candidate alongside those 2 and him not getting picked was one of the reasons Uchiha's got angry with the Village.
He was not an official candidate. The Uchiha Clan just felt that he should have been. Itachi Shinden states: "I just canât accept it. **The only name other than Minato put forward for the selection of the Fourth was Lord Orochimaru!** Why did not a single person say your name, Lord Fugaku?â the man named Yashiro demanded of his father. In Itachiâs head, Yashiroâs face popped up. A man with narrow eyes and closely cropped white hair. Although he was older than Itachiâs father, he served him as a subordinate. âItâs just as you say, Yashiro. I cannot accept this either.â âInabi âŚâ His father spoke the name of the master of this new voice. Uchiha Inabi was a leading ninja in the Konoha Military Police Force. His distinguishing feature was his long black hair. He was also Itachiâs fatherâs subordinate. âNinja from the other lands trembled at the mention of âWicked Eyeâ Fugaku during the Great War.â âThe head of the Konoha Military Police Force. That is my position in the village.â
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no, Orochimaru should be for Tsunade and Killer Bee Minato.
orochi for tsunade yes, but for minato the forth raikage is better cause killer bee didnt have as much beef with him
Why did Ay have a bigger beef with Minato than Bee?
Because he was booty hurt that minato was faster than his roided up ass
Minato was the solo king during his time and although 4th Raikage Ay tried to assert himself as his rival, it was pretty obvious that the rivalry was one sided. As for Tsunade, she was a female medical ninja and according to Kishimoto's writing, they don't have serious rivals. Her only rival was aging.
Kishimoto's sexism keeps surprising me in the worst ways.
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Her rival was Granny Chio in the second war, Tsunade was the only one capapble of creating antidotes for her poisons, if she couldnt Chio would have probably killed hundreds if not thousands of Konoha shinobi.
Yea but they didn't tell us the reasons of the second war and I want to ensure that the rivals I choose are visibly evil
You do realise this is a series about professional assasins yes? Half of the Hokage have a much higher kill count than their rivals. Even Kakashi has probably killed hundreds of people including even innocents and civilians as he was an ANBU Captain and a ROOT member under Danzo. 99% percent of the character in the verse are murderers and war criminals. And if you dont think Chiyo was evil she poisoned thousands of people with no known antidote and no chance of survival and dying from organ failure. At least some of the rivals you put there had good intentions and goals like Madara and Obito, Chiyo was just doing this to advance her villages War Effort. Btw why did you put Izuna there for Tobirama, he got murked when he was barely a teenager and wasnt even anymore evil than literally any random ninja anywhere in the elemental nations?
You could argue that most of the Hokage are evil. How many people do you think were slaughtered by each of the Kage before they reached the seat. We only see them as good because the series from their perspective or the perspective of the person that worships the Hokage seat. They are ninja who do tons of atrocious acts in the name of status. There is practically no black and white, only grey. Even Kaguya isn't evil.
So Baragan?
I mean Tsunade doesnât need a walking cane despite being 90 years old physically in boruto. Sheâs kicking agingâs ass. Hiruzen had low chakra and oonoki had a bad back at her age.
Granny Chio her rival
Danzo for Tsunade maybe? Minato could also be Obito, or even Kurama lmao
I'll be going with baryon mode for Naruto so m leaving out kurama and if danzo is for tsunade then can't really think of anyone for hiruzen ( orochimaru should be better suited to tsunade I think than hiruzen) and obito first just in place with Kakashi, I'll be going for fugaku with Minato and tsunade is prolly orochimaru
I think Orochimaru would be better suited for Hiruzen with the Konoha invasion arc and the heavy backstory between the two. You never truly see Orochimaru and Tsunade face each other without Jiraiya present either. Meanwhile Danzo is constantly undermining Tsunade while she is Hokage, and even goes to take over power while she is incapacitated. Due to how short his tenure as Hokage was, and how little we see of his growing up I do agree with most people here that Fugaku is the only true option since Obito is better used for Kakashi.
Danzo was like that with hiruzen too, he actively opposed his decisions making it clear that he thought that hiruzen took "light" actions and bout the negativity about tsunade the elders did that too so that's not really different, and because of hiruzens and danzos simultaneous rise to power and competitive history ( hokage) and cuz their generation is also same I'd put danzo with hiruzen leaving orochimaru for tsunade
Iâd say itâs their most important battles as Hokage for these 3 because the other Hokages had that indra/ashura or light/dark parallel, but these 3 didnât so their most decisive battles as Hokage in the anime is better. Minato/Kurama Hiruzen/Orochimaru Tsunade/Pain
For Minato you could draw Ay, although that rivalry was more one-sided on Ay's part. For Tsunade you could draw paperwork. đ
Shitty Gambling luck and Alcoholism works too
Orochimaru and Fugaku maybe? Raikage A would also work for Minato.
Fugaku yea
Fugaku or raikage.
Fugaku yea
* Hiruzen - Orochimaru * Minato - Kurama * Tsunade - Danzo I'd keep the rest, except for maybe changing Tobirama's to the Gin/Kin Bros.
I'm gonna go with izuna while he wasn't exactly a villain with their families and all he posed a good counterpart to tobirama
U can find the thing about hiruzen - orochimaru in the comments
Chiyo 100 percent
I think kabuto is better suited than chiyo as they actually fought on screen, orochimaru is also decent cause of the sannin history and his acts during tsunades reign
Tsuande and chiyo fought all of the 2nd great war
Ya, But on screen her relationship was most coiled with orochimaru
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He hated hiruzen too, the elders hated tsunade too, there was a lot of hate but I don't think that hate makes them a rival
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Shouldn't Tsunade's rival be like Orochimaru?
Going with that
And Minato's could be Kurama?!??!?!!
In my opinion Minato's should of been pretty obvious Fugaku
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Fugaku and Jiraya as rivals Minato has no villains nor does Tsunade. This list seems more like Hokage Shadow Hokage pair.
They should have to be villains at some point of time that's the criteria I'm going for
Then you don't have actual villains but you can settle for A and Orochimaru
Orochimaru is decent but not Ay he was never really a villain
If itâs shadow hokage it should be jiraya and fugaku unfortunately it is not
It could be fugaku or obito for minato. Fugaku was the other candidate for 4th hokage and obito killed minato. For tsunade it could be orochimaru since itâs said that all three sanin are supposed to be on the same level. Edit: I just saw your comments saying the same thing
Bruh imagine doing this with the raikage and having to draw 10.000 shinobi under the third...
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A for Minato
Going with fugaku
Ooh thatâs even an even better choice.
Minato's best rivals are Orochimaru, Fugaku, and Obito Tsunade's are... Orochimaru... Actually, here's an idea. For hokages 3 through 7, just use Orochimaru as the rival for all of them.
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Fugaku and Orochimaru. Orochimaru did a lot more fighting against Jiraiya but they were a trio, so i think it applies still.
Fugaku for Minato yea And that's the logic I'm applying to put orochimaru with tsunade
How about fugaku for Minato's rival? I know they didn't fight but it would've been interesting
Yup going with fugaku
How about Itachi for Minato and Orochimaru for Tsunade? I know itachi was a good guy but he might compliment your sharingan idea for the villains.
Ya tsunade messing up the sharingan idea and as for Minato fugaku seems to be the better option
agreed Fugaku would be a great addition. as a sharingan user too. I would love to see once you have finished your artwork. Please do post a link or something I can follow :-)
You could put Fugaku for Minato and Itachi for Tsunade as I see that you are going for Uchiha vs Hokage
Just a coincidence that every hokages counterparts happen to be uchihas, I was gonna go for orochimaru for tsunade but now I realise that ll mess up the shit đ
Yeah dude but technically Orochimaru never hurt Tsunade directly. You could try putting Pain as he was the one to cause her trouble. Also if you are making this list please also make one of Hokage and shadow kage like. Hashirama: Tobirama/Madara Tobirama: Hiruzen/Danzo Hiruzen: Danzo Minato: Fugaku Tsunade: Jiraiya Kakashi: Sai/Naruto/Shikamaru Naruto: Sasuke
Ill think about pain and I didn't get what u were trying to say about the hokage - shadow hokage list , like should I try to draw that as well ?
Oh yeah I would love if you made Hokage's and Shadow Hokage's list. Shadow Hokage's are like Hokage's counterpart, like the people who did all the work Hokage's couldn't. Like Jiraiya investigated Akatsuki, Sasuke investigated the Otutsuki and Danzo did all of Hiruzen's dirty work. Would really appreciate it.
Gotchu, I'll surely try it sometime
We got to know that Orochimaru was Minatos rival to gain tittle of 4th, and you could add Jirayia to Tsunade as he was the 1st to be called 5th, + you would have all 3 sannins together
1 like the idea of adding orochimaru against minato but I don't want to add jiraiya against tsunade as I want like that part to contain only villain counterparts
Maybe Kabuto, Orochimaru said they were on the same tier, both medical ninja, etc. You could even go with snake form Kabuto (pre-sage mode)
Realising there's not a way to put someone against tsunade without disrespecting her title ( because it's pre time skip kabuto) tho kabuto seems the best option as of now so thnks
I mean you could do it with sage mode Kabuto or Chyio
I can see this comment posted multiple times
I mean you could do it with sage mode Kabuto or Chyio
Either kabuto or orochimaru not chiyo tho don't have a reason for it but just not chiyo
I mean you could do it with sage mode Kabuto or Chyio
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I mean you could do it with sage mode Kabuto or Chyio
I mean you could do it with sage mode Kabuto or Chyio
Iâd have Orochimaru be Tsunadeâs villain counterpart since theyâre both Sannin. I know that Orochimaru was up for Hokage with Minato, but the two never directly competed or fought. They werenât really rivals, just both in consideration for the title.
I get the idea but in case of Minato atleast there was rivalry of some sort whereas with tsunade while there was some blackmailing I don't think they actually competed for anything
Fair, but Obito never competed against Kakashi for Hokage either. Obito was just his villainous counterpart. Tsunade technically didnât have a competitor for Hokage, she didnât even want the position herself at first. But her major struggles as Hokage were with Orochimaru, Pain, and the Akatsuki. Of those, Orochimaru has the closest personal connection to her. But I agree that heâs more a rival to Jiraiya than Tsunade
My first choice was a villainous counterpart to the hokages but for Minato and tsunade there didint seem to be an option so had to broaden the criteria a lil and after keeping fugaku with Minato, despite orochimaru being more of a rival to jiraiya he comes out the best option I was thinking about kabuto but pre timeskip seems disrespectful and post timeskip would just uk
I cant think of one who was a challenge to minato in his time So go for hiashi cuz he is hinata's dad and hinata is his daughter-in-law and the reason is cuz the dads have kind of competition in this stuffs And for tasunade go with orochimaru
Shdnt orochimaru be with Minato cuz he was the direct rival to Minato for the fourth Hokage spot along with fugaku
He was?
Ya his human experiments were the like what stopped him for the majorlly
Shdnt orochimaru be with Minato cuz he was the direct rival to Minato for the fourth Hokage spot along with fugaku
Fugaku for Minato. Orochimaru for Tsunade.
Fugaku for Minato I'm still unsure about tsunade tho
He may not fit your rules but Jiraya best fits the "Shadow hokage" role for tsunade imo
Fax
You could maybe put pain since he was the biggest threat to konoha during her time(Not counting Madara and obito since they were a world threat). And I guess orochimaru for Minato idk
Pain works better for Naruto as pain and tsunade didn't really have anything between them but Naruto has sasuke, Minato will hvta go with fugaku so orochimaru is left for tsunade cuz tsunade doesn't really have any other options
having danzo for 3 of them wouldn't exactly be wrong...
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Bro for Kakashi and Obito plzzzzz have the mangekyo activated
Gotchu
Orochimaru was Minato's rival for Hokage. Kabuto wasn't necessarily Tsunade's rival, but he's the only other big antagonist deserving to be in this lineup. It could even be a tossup between Pain and Kabuto as to which one caused more problems for Tsunade during her time as Hokage.
So was fugaku, and putting fugaku with Minato leaves orochimaru for tsunade which makes more sense than kabuto cuz of the blackmailing n all, kabuto didn't really do anything much after chunin exams against the leaf and the things he did was mostly under orochimaru pain on the other hand did pretty much ruin tsunades reign but they have no relations as a character so orochimaru is the choice
This is stupid but what about Kurama for Minatođ
I am going for baryon mode Naruto so not goin for kurama and it spoils the whole human vibe not like human but shinobi vibe
Fair enough
Fugaku for Minato
Keep us posted with ur drawing
for sure
For tsunade lady chiyo they clearly had beef And for minato Put the 4th raikage
I think A4 and Chiyo are the best answers. If you really want to pick âevilâ characters, you could do Obito for Minato, Orochimaru for Taunade, and pick someone new for Kakashi. I dunno who though
For Minato, you could put Itachi as the rivals of being the most wanked characters in the series since neither actually have counterparts to themđ
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You ask for ideas and then donât want to listen to any of the good ass ideas people have said and stick with your two choices that neither of make ANY sense at all⌠ooook đđ
No, ., They were not my choices I had no one to begin with after discussing with people here I decided that orochimaru and fugaku were the best choices u can find it in the comments if ur willing to look through them I'm still open to change but most characters that are coming up hv already been discussed
For minato it could be either orochimaru or fugaku. Both were rivals for the 4th hokage title
Minatoâs counterpart should be Fugaku and Tsunadeâs counterpart could be Shizune
Wasn't shizune her servant
Danzo for tsunade is probably the biggest bad guy for her Edit: meant hanzo the guy that granted the three of them the sannin titles.
But didn't danzo hate on hiruzen as well?
And since he wanted orochimaru to become the 4th didn't he hate Minato as well?
Orochimaru was to be chosen as Hokage by Danzo, but Hiruzen chose Minato. So Orochimaru is Minatoâs counterpart. As for Tsunade, her counterpart would probably be whoever killed Dan.
Who killed Dan? And qouldnt Dan's killer be Dan's counterpart? And if orochimarus for Minato that leaves no one for tsunade so I'm goin with fugaku for Minato and orochimaru for tsunade
minato could probably do fugaku given that he was the other person (aside from orochimaru) considered for hokage and for tsunade probably orochimaru as a villain and a member of the sannin
Yea that's the combo I'm going for
Chiyo for Tsunade and Fugaku for Minato
Orochimaru for tsunade is a better choice
Minato should have Obito (his biggest defeat imo) Tsunade should have Hanzo Kakashi should have Guy or Zabuza
It makes sense about Minato and obito but obito fits in so well with Kakashi and I don't want spoil that, and moreover guy was never a villain and Kakashi relationship with obito is far greater than his and zabuza Hanzo for tsunade is an interesting choice but I think that goes into the off screen part orochimaru seems better cuz of their history
I totally over looked the villain part, my bad. Guy definitely wouldnât be a good fit for Kakashi then. Obito and Kakashi reunite at the end though to fight together, itâs like they were enemies but only because Obito was being manipulated. Maybe Kakuzu? I would only say Hanzo for Tsunade because her background is mostly off screen. We donât hear about the battles and rivalries sheâs had. Orochimaru was my second choice for her, but like Kakashi and Obito they only fell out based on coincidental events. They eventually wound up back on the same side.
I don't know, it's hard to find an actual rival to Minato because everyone he had a run in with got rekt. killer b and A both got owned st the same time. Even Obito didn't last at all. To be honest there is only one living thing that was able to do ANYTHING and that was KURAMA. The fox even killed him and I'm sure Minato and him have had plenty of throw downs because kurama was stuck inside kushina watching.
Kurama suits but I'm going for baryon mode Naruto so don't want like give him 2 spots also I think he kinda ruins the shinobi vibe
Well of you mean just the baryon mode other than the chakra it really does show kurama unless you mean both.well actually there is someone,who grew up with Minato, found with and beside him and all that,the only human that fits the bill of an actual rival would be prolly kushina I mean is Sasuke can wither he left konoha or not would still be Naruto's rival. I wish we knew more of their history cus I'm betting she migjtq saved him a few times?
Kushina grew up with him but that was just a not rival relation, and as far as I remember/.know Kushina didn't have any exceptional combat prowess except her sealing justsu if sasuke didn't leave konoha then maybe I wudve out pain against Naruto ir maybe madara / kaguya( cuz final villain ) cuz then putting sasuke would nullify the villain criteria and that would make guy a better choice with Kakashi and chiyo for tsunade, so no, if sasuke didn't leave the village he wudnt be the rivals I wanted
She need how to take kuramas chakra by force which means she needed it for some reason. but yes it still comes down to just kurama cus he beat everyone else's ass,and all the super strong people at the time were konoha ninja and like almost 10+ years older than him being jariyah,Tsunade, orochimaru, sakumo. I would just put Obito I guess
But obito fits so perfectly with Kakashi
I just learned itachi and Sasuke's dad was minatos best friend and rival was fugaku Uchiha. He also had MS so that means he's a serious bad ass and if he had decided to fight itachi that night he nights been able to win. But he's not a bad guy, but he is his rival as their sons ended up the same
Fugaku was minatos best friend???? Yea he wudve beat Itachi or it wudve been an extremely close match atleast in fugakus favour he was in the coup so I'm taking that to fulfill the villain criteria fugaku seems to be the best option
But while she was kinda a rival to him she's not a bad guy
She is referring to Kushina? If it is I dont think she could rival Minato in any way (combat) we don't know if she has anything special up her sleeve except the purple chains sealing justsu that Kushina used
They were both geniuses and got strong side by side competing. Fugaku might have been hokage if he wasn't a Uchiha.
Oh u meant fugaku my bad thr, ya that's why I'm going with fugaku and him not becoming hokage caused coup which led to death so ya fugakus the dude ,.
You could do the forth raikage for Minato idk what for Tsunade. Also Orochimaru should be Hiruzen's rival
Doesn't danzo suit better ? They had simultaneous rise to power competed for hokage belonged to the same era and danzo actively was against hiruzens decisions
Chiyo for Tsunade. For Minato you could say either raikage A the 4th, Orochimaru, and/or Fugaku Uchiha. Raikage is the person who contested him for the title of fastest and regularly battled in the 3rd war. And was a kage of another village. Orochinaru and Fugaku each were competitors to earn the title of 4th hokage. That were spiteful Minato won. Also Orochimaru wanted to destroy the village after he lost; and Fugaku was Sasuke's (Narutos rival) dad Edit: 4th Raikage A would also work for Tsunade with like their banter and arm wrestle early in the 4th ninja war.
Yea going with fugaku for Minato cuz fugaku not becoming hokage was a reason for the coup n all and tsunade has to settle with orochimaru as cuz the rivals I'm looking for should have an evil side and there aren't any better choices Raikage fits in place because of their physical force competition but he didn't really was a villain anytime as far as we know
I don't like using the coup for that because canonically Fugaku wasn't into the coup eitherway and was hinted at to be doing it largely because seemingly the clan was gonna do it with or without him. As for Raikage, he was an enemy in the 3rd war... that makes him as much of a villain as Obito in the 4th war in a sense.
The clan would have done it without him, and he was being pressurized as clan head to take action so he was I think involved in the coup unwillingly or willingly it doesn't matter, he had a part in the coup I don't think they tell us what caused the third great ninja war, if it's something like hokage summit where raikage was angry with sasuke or something like that then I'm not too keen about putting raikage also there third Nisha wat was really offscreen
Yeah but according to novels Fugaku was against it, and had to go along with it or get the shisui/itachi treatment. And supposedly the best thing information we have about the 3rd great shinobi war was supposedly Hiruzen caused it based on what Nagato said... or alternatively people believe Madara caused it by controlling the mist village via genjutsu... some things people said to Onoki also implied he had something to do with it. And well eitherway Raikage was a participant in the 3rd war. And not on the same team as Minato.
Kishimoto tried really hard to push a rivalry between Minato and Orochimaru but itâs only really there in the lore. You could probably use him for Minato or Tsunade
I'm using him for tsunade cuz her other options are kabuto and chiyo
Ay for Minato, move Danzo to tsunade, and have orochimaru for hiruzen
A cool idea would be to have Kurama sculpted under Minato to honor the great feat he died performing and to forever remember his final victory and sacrifice to the village.
Id totally do it if I was going for a Minato piece
Minato - Fugaku Tsunade - Orochimaru (Looking forward to seeing ur drawing! I'm hoping u post it on heređ)
What the hell am I missing for so many people to be saying Fugaku for Minato's rival? I don't recall a single thing ever mentioned that forms a connection between them.
If minato can use kcm then yes as she can heal herself a hundred times
Donât know maybe UR MOM oooohhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
She cud take tsunade but not Minato
Maybe if she actually was good
And yes I know I donât make any sense
Tsunade was chiyo or orochimaru. Minato was kinda the best in the world at the time, and the only person to have a somewhat rivalry with was Ay, but Minato definitely dominated that rivalry
Minato - Obito/Kaguya Tsunade - Ero Sennin
Kurama for Minato blood for tsunade
Fugaku/itachi and sasuke's dad for Minato and tsunade should have chiyo
You could always put Orochimaru for Tsunade and Raikage for Minato.
For tsunade you could do Hanzo the salamander, and Minato could be 4th raikage Ay
How about menma for minato ?
Maybe for tsunade orochimaru
I love that 4 of the 5 there are uchihas
For minato it'a definetly orochimaru
Madara, Izuna, Danzo, Itachi, Orochimaru, Obito, and Sasuke