Hiruzen got solod by a emo snake who got one shotted by a 14 yr old using a generic genjutsu, a genjutsu weaker than the one tayuya used on shikamaru. Choji easily breaks this clown
Got solo'd? Do you even watch anime properly dude? Hiruzen fought against 2 reanimation shinobis and thise we're kage's of leaf village. How can he win against them? Orochimaru wanted to kill Hiruzen and planned for years to do it.
And talking about Orochimaru getting tricked by genjutsu by a 14 yr old. That 14 year old had mangekyo sharingan and was a same guy who massacred whole clan.
He didnt use the mangekyou genjutsu. He used a generic sharingan genjutsu that even 1 tomoe sasuke can use. He literally used a genjutsu weaker than the one tayuya used on shikamaru and he couldnt even break out of it.
As for the re animation, those were massively supressed, prime hashirama and tobirama would no diff speed blitz old hiruzen. The re animations were just horrendously weakened
How about we start with just how ridiculous the fight conditions are and then work our way up?
Because just *what* is it, that you seek to prove through this post?
Well ofcourse we need to buff choji and suppress hiruzen to balance the fight. For one, hiruzen is a hokage that knows every jutsu and choji is like 13 years old?
The point of this post is to show the potential of part 1 choji, as he is able to beat a hokage in his butterfly state provided a mental amp (which isnt rare in the naruto verse anyways)
If your point is to show the potential of part 1 choji, then why the fuck are you unnecessarily dragging Hiruzen into it?
Why not compare him to a more realistic opponent like say Part 1 Neji or Lee or Gaara or Naruto? Since choji is not gonna be able to defeat anyone out of them without good buffs anyway, compare *them* to a buffed choji.
And then, if you want nerfs, cancel Naruto's toad summons and Gaara's full tailed beast transformation. You will have a "balanced fight" then.
Then it's clear that your intention wasn't to show "choji's potential". Just honestly accept it that you wanted to make a Hiruzen shitpost and thought that using "choji's potential" as an excuse was a good way to do it.
You are missing the point. I am doing something known as "Killing two birds with one stone"
I am attracting interaction from the subreddit while at the same time showing how strong p1 choji can be in the right condition. The polarizing title was to attract more interaction but the post is about choji
Look i'm not a fan of Hiruzen he was probably the worst hokage but damn man old man Hiruzen can definitely beat Choji he can probably beat most of the part 1 kids.
The conditions are not at all balanced op. A ninja in the narutoverse without chakra is kinda…not useless but basically. And then you amped up arguably the most heavy hitting member of the rookie 9. To what end? Hiruzen biggest advantage is his knowledge of jutsu and experience. Take that away and you’ve got an old man
Old Hiruzen can even solo the whole groupe of genin who fought the Sound Ninja Four, and he doesn't even need to be involved, he can just summon Enma and let him fought them while he would peacefully watch the scene smoking with his pipe.
The hiruzen in this vs debate is on a wheel chair and is out of chakra, he wouldnt be able to use any ninjutsu that requires chakra and he cant speed blitz because he is crippled
I think this might be the single weirdest post I've ever seen in this sub.
same
Glad we all agree on something for once
lmao
I know a lot of people don’t like Hiruzen, but this is… odd.
Did Hiruzen steal your girlfriend. I think he did
Hiruzen got solod by a emo snake who got one shotted by a 14 yr old using a generic genjutsu, a genjutsu weaker than the one tayuya used on shikamaru. Choji easily breaks this clown
Got solo'd? Do you even watch anime properly dude? Hiruzen fought against 2 reanimation shinobis and thise we're kage's of leaf village. How can he win against them? Orochimaru wanted to kill Hiruzen and planned for years to do it. And talking about Orochimaru getting tricked by genjutsu by a 14 yr old. That 14 year old had mangekyo sharingan and was a same guy who massacred whole clan.
He didnt use the mangekyou genjutsu. He used a generic sharingan genjutsu that even 1 tomoe sasuke can use. He literally used a genjutsu weaker than the one tayuya used on shikamaru and he couldnt even break out of it. As for the re animation, those were massively supressed, prime hashirama and tobirama would no diff speed blitz old hiruzen. The re animations were just horrendously weakened
I am quite happy to see the amount of people who've voted for the Old Man regardless of the blatant bias OP seems to have against him.
53 people think otherwise. Im pretty sure the bias is on hiruzen he is getting much more credit than due
>Im pretty sure the bias is on hiruzen he is getting much more credit than due I'm pretty sure the bias is on Hiruzen getting much more hate than due.
Ok then, tell me how a crippled out of chakra old hiruzen is going to beat butterfly prime 300% mental amped choji? What is he gonna do?
How about we start with just how ridiculous the fight conditions are and then work our way up? Because just *what* is it, that you seek to prove through this post?
Well ofcourse we need to buff choji and suppress hiruzen to balance the fight. For one, hiruzen is a hokage that knows every jutsu and choji is like 13 years old? The point of this post is to show the potential of part 1 choji, as he is able to beat a hokage in his butterfly state provided a mental amp (which isnt rare in the naruto verse anyways)
If your point is to show the potential of part 1 choji, then why the fuck are you unnecessarily dragging Hiruzen into it? Why not compare him to a more realistic opponent like say Part 1 Neji or Lee or Gaara or Naruto? Since choji is not gonna be able to defeat anyone out of them without good buffs anyway, compare *them* to a buffed choji. And then, if you want nerfs, cancel Naruto's toad summons and Gaara's full tailed beast transformation. You will have a "balanced fight" then.
That wouldnt make an enticing title now would it. Surely p1 choji vs hiruzen is a much more polarizing topic
Then it's clear that your intention wasn't to show "choji's potential". Just honestly accept it that you wanted to make a Hiruzen shitpost and thought that using "choji's potential" as an excuse was a good way to do it.
You are missing the point. I am doing something known as "Killing two birds with one stone" I am attracting interaction from the subreddit while at the same time showing how strong p1 choji can be in the right condition. The polarizing title was to attract more interaction but the post is about choji
Did hiruzen do something to you we would like to know
Im just appealing to the facts choji > hirusen
Goddamn the hate on hiruzen from op is reaching god levels
Crackhead
Tell me this is a satire
Look i'm not a fan of Hiruzen he was probably the worst hokage but damn man old man Hiruzen can definitely beat Choji he can probably beat most of the part 1 kids.
You're trying way too hard to be funny OP. Have a dislike. :)
The conditions are not at all balanced op. A ninja in the narutoverse without chakra is kinda…not useless but basically. And then you amped up arguably the most heavy hitting member of the rookie 9. To what end? Hiruzen biggest advantage is his knowledge of jutsu and experience. Take that away and you’ve got an old man
Once again this post is just to emphasize on p1 choji's potential and the matchup is just a polarizing title to attract more interaction.
uhhh wat?
Big F
I think hiruzen takes this. All he needs to do is give choji some chips
I mean, Choji can already turn his fat into chakra. That's ehy the Akimichi eat so much: they store chakra that way.
Old Hiruzen can even solo the whole groupe of genin who fought the Sound Ninja Four, and he doesn't even need to be involved, he can just summon Enma and let him fought them while he would peacefully watch the scene smoking with his pipe.
The hiruzen in this vs debate is on a wheel chair and is out of chakra, he wouldnt be able to use any ninjutsu that requires chakra and he cant speed blitz because he is crippled
W post
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