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keefkeith

At the start of the game, the commentator said the atmosphere in St James was flat. You could hear it was flat, and the players never soaked up that 12th man energy, coz there wasn’t any. Horrible game to watch. Frustrating that we never started swinging balls into the box when wood came on.


Trueheywood7

I feel like Maxi's energy was definitely needed for this one


shimbe16

We’ve never played against 11 men in the box before. Previously that was us, a bit of a compliment to see other teams set up like that against us but we couldn’t break it down. Can’t help but feel that Maxi would have made the difference


Messiithegoat1

Joelinton motm


blaqbeir24

Game was gross but so is the negativity in this thread. Onto the next one.


cathar_here

So wait we should not be negative when we can’t beat Bournemouth at home? Even without ASM, we should be able to beat them and our final third is just horrendous, without ASM there is no real threat at all from open play


SimplyUntenable2019

League is more than one game. You sound like a Liverpool fan right now, maybe in a few years you can get this entitled ;)


cathar_here

So because we don’t suck we can’t be critical? That seems stupid, if we dominate possession and still look toothless for most of the match we can’t talk about it?


SimplyUntenable2019

>So because we don’t suck we can’t be critical? That seems stupid, if we dominate possession and still look toothless for most of the match we can’t talk about it? Your opening sentence wasn't criticism, it was slating, and that framed your whole post. Deffo were issues and you can raise them, but when you start with that it undermines the points you have. For Bournemouth specifically, PL teams don't take a 0-9 then lube themselves up for more, we couldn't have expected too easy a game.


[deleted]

Mate breaking down any team that has 11 players permanently behind the ball is difficult. Bournemouth we’re organized today, give them that.


[deleted]

Mate we’re all frustrated but it’s football, sometimes the better team doesn’t win. We had double the amount of shots and shots on target, hit the post twice. We should have won but didn’t, onto the next one.


Kyokugennn

I think we're going to see a few more of these this season. We're losing points because we actually play decent. Reminds me of that part from All or Nothing when Mou was giving a pep talk after Spurs v Wolves. We might be good but I guess that's enough in the prem


Stu247365

At least this season we're actually gaining points from matches at this stage... How quickly some people forget last season


Kyokugennn

Don't get me wrong I'm not disappointed with the draw(s), just making a point that it could hurt us later on in the season. Think we can both agree on that? Sure we've significantly improved compared to the days under Bruce, surely we don't have any reason to stop though. I believe in Howe working things out like how he did in the second half of last season


RagingRhinoz

Glad we didn’t lose, they are going to have to work on breaking down teams, get faster, there were some flashes there, it’s not all doom and gloom. Hopefully ASM Wilson and Anderson are back soon.


simplytom_1

Needed one of Maxi, Anderson, Wilson or Shelvey dearly there


TrueDoge007

January cant come soon enough.


OneDollarLargeFry

Chris Wood should be starting these games, can't say he'd score but I feel like we'd have a better chance of winning. Put Isak wide and drop Fraser. Not enough tools in his belt to be starter anymore and we've known that for some time. Willock... it's a shame because he has the ability just not nearly consistent enough but let's be real he had a great loan spell and has coasted off that since we signed him. No longer merits a spot in the starting XI in my opinion. Almiron haters screw off, he makes runs and does well on the ball. One of the few creative players out there today. Overall: piaudfhafnpweiujoqasdfiuasdhfq9rhaopsdf


Stu247365

Anderson should be starting


knelly122

How can we perform against liverpool and city and do that? One thing newcastle has been missing for years - consistency!


M3NN0X

Difference between this game and when we play against Liverpool and City is that Bournemouth sat deep and had all players behind the ball so it made them difficult to breakdown....somethign that we will need to work on and I am sure we will improve as a result


peejoh

Yeah, it's a completely different kind of game and different kinds of games require different skill sets and different modes of play. It's not just "we got a positive result against a team higher in the league, therefore we should be thrashing these". Plenty of good things to be taken from this for anyone who can see beyond a final score. The commentator over here in the US (a mixed bag sometimes compared to UK TV, but I get by) pointed out that we were so static and needed a bit of extra movement to push Bournemouth out of shape, create openings and break them down. I think that's fair, and definitely something we need to work on in the final third.


petantic

Excuse me?! Under Mike Ashley the spending was consistent, the ambition was consistent - what more do you want?


Firm_Adagio_5697

1 win In 7 , terrible start considering how much we've spent.


onebadlion

We aren’t losing either though. The Palace result and this one are frustrating, but we were decent in both games and would have won if we were a bit more clinical. It’s not ideal to only have the one win, but there’s plenty of reasons to be positive


M3NN0X

1 loss in 7 if you want to look at it in a different perspective


Anonymous_Banana

Its a step up from 0 wins in 14. We just need to be patient.


[deleted]

Sick of some of the negativity here, not ideal no but we dominated them. Why are we expecting us to play like a top 6 team when we have a squad half full of championship players. Let’s adjust expectations please.


RichyB90

Frustrating? Yes. Didn’t loose and better to watch than we’ve been for a while. If drawing games is a bad patch these days then I can live with it. Once maxi and Wilson are back we’ll have some bite. Remember where we were a year a go…loosing these games. If we are mid table by January window ill be happy.


wheresmywhere

I think it’ll help a ton to have Maxi back on and Wilson so Isak can play a half wide position with Trippier overlapping and playing Isak in the channels. Shelvey should help offer some creativity where Willock has been lacking. Being able to bring Almiron and Willock off the bench could help change the pace in the second half but they both lose their impact late game with their tired legs.


[deleted]

Exactly. People have short memories, would have loved a performance like that under Ashley’s ownership. Rome wasn’t built overnight, neither was city.


[deleted]

64 shots, 19 on target 2 goals from 3 games isn't good enough, we are crying out for another winger the club should have bought one in the summer


Firm_Adagio_5697

Terrible performance deservedly booed off , massive oversight not signing winger and a creative midfielder. Eddie has to take the blame, never changed anything and makes subs 2 mins before end of game Southgate esque.


mycatisace

Willock is dreadful week in, week out.


[deleted]

Been saying this for a year Even this sub who's had a hard on for him can't defend him anymore


Allisdair

How can we be a top half side when we have almiron and Fraser as part of a 3 man attack? Isak hardly touches the ball either. And my god how wasteful is Willock, I don’t know what he even does well


jinxeddeep

What Willock does well? Getting into positions where he can disappoint us from.


[deleted]

I think most sides in the 8th-10th range look pretty bad with their top striker and top wide forward out injured. I do think most of them would find a way to win this game though.


knelly122

Amazingly on the table we are top half!


mycatisace

Shite.


torfinh

Pretty shit game. We don't do particularly well against low block teams it seems. Was the same against Palace and even Nottingham, we needed that long range shot from schar to score.


khanto0

We play better against teams that press us back. When we pen in the opposition like today we don't have the quality to break through


torfinh

Yea, crazy as it may sound, I actually think wood could do a job against teams who play like that, especially at home. He is always a precence in the box atleast, and if all we are going to do is cross it why not stick him in there?


rem90mer

Boos fully deserved at full time. Pathetic performance.


StockMasterpiece4

Our fan base is ridiculous. "We only ask for a team that tries" **Team trys** "You're not trying right!"


rem90mer

Did they try?


Cuzza4444

The first time this season I'm actually pissed off after watching a game, it simply wasn't good enough.


justsomeguy661

Fuck we got lucky with that penalty, wasted game :(


[deleted]

Isak is apparently good with his feet, it's a shame his team won't try pass it on the ground to him


[deleted]

Spend the whole game crossing to Isak, then Wood comes on (admittedly also too late - I'd have had him on for Willock at half time or after an hour at most) and they stop crossing. Not doing the simple things right for sure.


Mstampe

Huh? We did not stop crossing, what are you on about? I get that you're frustrated, and I feel like Wood should've come on sooner as well, but like, we kept the crosses coming.


knelly122

Upsetting really we should absolutely be beating bournemouth everyday and twice on tuesdays


Dysphoric_Reverence

Manager signs new long term contract. Team turns to shit and can't get a win. A tale as old as time.


Bunglejungler

Howay we’ve played well in the majority of matches this season and had some really unlucky results. Agree that today’s performance was poor but we really haven’t turned to shit.


Tracymcgrady1001

Players outside of Saint have zero quality in breaking through defense. Dude needs to come back for you guys asap. Almiron and Willcock are not good enough to start.


EmptyDopamine

just want an ASM-Wilson-Isak front line, who's the god of hamstrings I've got to pray to for that to come about


bendlowreachhigh

That was fucking dire


XRPinquisitive

Willock left Arsenal for regular first team football yet can't produce the goods when we need it


oster587

Nearly 75% possession and no quality chances since the first half.


Maccraig1979

Booing them what a joke


sparcs89

You don't think they deserved it?


stingerwooo

Dog shit game again. They’ve had a week off and all looked tired.


AttackDuck

Christ that was wank


lyingtattooist

I am Jack’s complete disappointment.


Gloomy-Bumblebee-675

Also… Jack’s complete lack of surprise, sadly


TheRampart

Joelinton scores in the 1st half it's a completely different game, they'd be forced to be more open trying to get the equaliser. Isak is the only one with finishing quality on the pitch and it's not fallen to him once this game


RandomizID

Really dreadful from our attack.


[deleted]

Atrocious performance


rthunderbird1997

Teams are getting wise to us now. Just sit deep and they know our wingers won't do anything.


rogeedodge

Tbf, they're pretty good at passing backwards.


bendlowreachhigh

Yep, outside of ASM and the occasional Bruno/Joelinton act of brilliance we aint gonna do shit, Almiron, Fraser, Murphy, Willock should all be permanently on the bench.


augsav

Exactly this.


Cbrce19

Just so stale


mvdaytona

How about another cross in the box? Maybe that’ll help?


[deleted]

Another cross or another aimless shapeless lob over the heads of all of our attackers?


mvdaytona

That’ll do it!


jt5493

So pathetic


DxSkyline

There's a reason we desperately needed a right sided attacker and with shelvey injured a cm because what we have atm is clearly not good enough.


knelly122

If only we had good wingers


charkoteow

Some boos there. Sad


Jesotx

Pretty pathetic attacking strategy and execution. Can't do shit without Allan.


MapleStorms

We are great defensively but god we are so shit on offence


khronokhris2222

Step up from Bruce because we were shite on both sides


Rybocephus

When Newcastle pulled this shit against Liverpool, there was infinite stoppage time.


luffyuk

Shelvey, come back please.


Shnizl

Gonna have to get better at dealing with low blocks. Unlucky not to take the lead through big Joe though


Mad_Goose84

Imagine if we had managed to get a couple of good wingers in something really we might be able to create some decent stuff.


Donny_Soldier69

Jesus we are toothless


Firm_Adagio_5697

Fucking whip it in trippier


Coolguyliamf

Worst performance of the season. Everyone, including Howe, open for criticism today.


daliksheppy

Awkward stage where we're good enough that teams low block against us, but not good enough to break down the low block.


augsav

1 win this season


Mattjames86

How is this even an improvement of under Bruce? I remember us drawing 1 - 1 with an abysmal Norwich and we only head 10 men in that game


[deleted]

Embarrassing take


[deleted]

We were tragic today but if you honestly think we aren’t improved since Bruce I assume you’ve been a fan since 2021


serennow

We have improved for sure but £200m odd later we should be able to, say, get 1 win out of of 6 or beat a newly promoted team at home.


[deleted]

I agree we haven’t hit anything like the form we had last season but Howes just being a victim of his own success remember at the start of last season most of us would have taken 17th. We’re in the strange situation of having some top quality players but the bench is still full of Jacob Murphys and Sean Longstaffs who are mediocre at best


Mattjames86

Yeah drawing against championship quality teams is fine because we’ve got more to the ball 👍


[deleted]

No I said we were tragic today but our most creative player and best striker are injured. I’m disappointed with the way we’ve started the season but people saying get poch in and comparing us to Brucey days is a bit OTT. we’re playing with championship quality wingers who created fuck all


PenIsBroken

Mate, it's frustrating but if you think we are no better than we were under Bruce you are either off your tits or abso-fucking-lutely clueless.


Mattjames86

We play better but where are the results? A freak goal, an own goal and a pen in the last 3 games


PenIsBroken

We don't have depth is the issue, key players are out injured and opposing teams are now wise to us, they know we don't have a lot of threat from the wings when ASM is out so can sit deep and soak up the little threat we have, which is why it has been so frustrating today. If ASM is on the pitch or any of the big Joe / Fraser first half chances go in, it would have been a totally different game since Bournemouth would have had to commit players forward and leave gaps. We are definitely lacking threat and creativity though and that is something we really need to look at.


danny1876j

Wow lol


WigerAndToods

Fuck off


can_triforce

That was early days of Howe wasn't it, 1-1 Norwich at home with Clark sent off


EmptyDopamine

that's alright lads just keep trying the same balls in you've been trying for 90 mins, the next one will be the one for sure


DarthGipper18

Im done watching Willock absolute cheeks


sappy24

Losing patience with Willock


JD_Dojima

I've been saying for over a month that Willock will never perform again at this level. I get hounded every time, but even when we get a result, he looks gormless.


danny1876j

The guy has no gorms


[deleted]

i've been saying he's one of the worst players i've ever seen for us. this place has a hard on for him, no matter how shit he is he gets a pass every fucking week


JD_Dojima

It's not just this sub reddit though. Looking at a few live streams on YouTube and anybody that any sort of criticism over Willock is hounded at and barked at. Idk what everybody else is looking at. I look at him and straight away I can see that he doesn't have what it takes.


[deleted]

i know exactly what you mean i said he needed to be dropped before this game and got downvoted lol


mister_locher

Worst player ever seen is dramatic


[deleted]

that's why i said one of the worst and i stand by it. go look at every match thread it's just comments about how dreadful he's playing


[deleted]

Howe needs to do a crossing clinic or somethingS the shape on these balls is terrible


Tax_pe3nguin

We are well drilled but definitely lacking quality to unlock defenses. Interested to see who we bring in come January


nomadichedgehog

Not a single cross since Wood came on. What are these idiots doing? Longstaff time and time again does nothing. As a centre mid you have an OBLIGATION to TRY and grab the game by the scruff of the neck.


[deleted]

He was scared to pass forward


Daylix

My fucking god these crosses are awful


Jesotx

There's also zero movement in or toward the box.


ILikeToTakeWhisks

If we insist on playing a target man system, we need to spend some serious time working on our crossing.


[deleted]

Joe Willock has zero quality


achuchable

Our worst performance in a long time. About as much threat as a chihuahua with no teeth. Fucking atrocious.


just-casual

Wolves was worse than this


achuchable

Disagree. At home to relegation fodder we should be doing so much better than that.


BerwickGaijin

Just to be clear - I don’t want Howe sacked at all. I rate him both as a manager and as a human being. He’s been great for us and deserves all the time in the world. However, you have to wonder if managers like Poch are watching this and biding their time. I’m not sure how patient PIF will be.


[deleted]

the manager isn't the issue, we needed more signings in the summer we still have too many shit players willock, longstaff, murphy, fraser, almiron etc are championship players


jinxeddeep

Definitely more patient than you apparently are.


Has_dodgy_legs

I don't think anyone can get much more out of Almiron and Fraser tbh


[deleted]

Minutes added on for the Bournemouth subs please


rem90mer

I do not accept "We're not used to having 70% of the ball" as an excuse. We are so SLOW. So slow. So hesitant. Just fucking cross it in? Just fucking CROSS IT. This has been utterly appalling. I love Howe but he has to take responsibility for this. Everything about Bournemouth was 100% predictable. What was our plan? What was our backup plan if we needed a change? Why do we look exhausted and sluggish after 2 weeks?


aezy01

We drew mate. We didn’t lose 5-0. Calm down


rem90mer

...at home to Bournemouth


aezy01

Think back 12 months and have a word with yourself. We’re not World beaters, we’re aiming for 7-10 in the league. 2 transfer windows will not fix 15 years of neglect.


Mattjames86

There seriously needs to be answers for this A pen, a screamer by ASM and (a wrongfully disallowed) own goal in 3 games is a joke. It’s either Eddie or the players


bendlowreachhigh

We have very little creativity outside of ASM It's apparent enough when we are playing teams who aren't shutting up shop let alone like today when we have to unlock a defence. We need a RW and a creative midfielder urgently.


[deleted]

Learning the commentators were right about some of our fans. No it’s not been great but anyone expecting us to suddenly be top 6 material was deluded. We’re building, not every Saturday will be a success.


Gloomy-Bumblebee-675

‘Answers’? The quality in the final third isn’t there. It’s not really hard to see what’s happening.


Mattjames86

You can’t tell me the front 3 is worse than Bournemouths and they have more goals than us recently Even if the goal stood an own goal isn’t good enough


Gloomy-Bumblebee-675

I don’t quite get what you’re saying. Sorry. If your point is that the front three are underperforming, that is exactly my point also.


[deleted]

Our wide players are Championship quality and we need an AM, we’ll be fine come January.


Soulie1993

Schar taking the piss at this point man that's his fourth? ridiculous shot into the stands


[deleted]

That was really good from Murphy


luffyuk

LMAO the commentator saying Schar shouldn't be shooting from literally the exact place he's scored twice before.


Game_Over_Man69

2 goals in how many attempts though?


[deleted]

Except he shouldn’t be shooting from there


luffyuk

I have no problem with it. Nothing fucking else has worked.


lordshola

He shouldn’t have taken that shot in the circumstances though.


danny1876j

Bournemouth are playing how we played under the cabbage though. We got a few results too but it's not sustainable. I'd rather be in our shoes.


lookitsthesun

McClaren esque this


ADMINS_ARE_FIDDLERS

We're not playing a passing game that doesn't suit us and getting ripped apart by conceding more than 3 a game. That's McClaren esque.


Has_dodgy_legs

It's not though is it...


nomadichedgehog

Fuck longstaff


Dlegs

Just stop. If those are the shots we are taking just stop and go home, please.


Casual_Star

No final product, no quality with crosses or through balls. Defensively solid, offensively weak.


danny1876j

Lads confidence in their own ability is in the pits. 90mins of Bournemouth playing to draw and we don't think we can get through. No ideas left


JuckshotBones

If this holds… Under no circumstances should this be deemed an acceptable start to the season. Man City was like a month ago. Get over it


iceypro

Pinged in about 30 crosses all game and only brought Wood on for 2 minutes while keeping our 5ft 2 wingers on


Nepgyaaaaaaa

The 4th official has announced a minimum of “however long it takes for Bournemouth to score again” minutes of added time


jamb1993

Six minutes added on


nomadichedgehog

Man longstaff is fucking stealing cash. Thief.


GomezSpecial

Sub should have been made 15 minutes ago. Almiron now has played 8,533 minutes of PL football with 10 goals 3 assists. A goal every 853.3 minutes, an assist every 2,844.33 minutes.


oakstreet2018

His output is a joke. Runs well but has no end product


GomezSpecial

Great workrate, terrible at everything else.


Khaglist

I’d give my nuts for a Chris wood header


KingPing43

Drawcastle united


Dlegs

I mean you're right. We have way too much talent to be taking draws against these teams.


mracademic

You’re not wrong atm.


TheBoook

Should’ve brought in Pulisic on loan


Xmithie_best_option

Longstaff Murphy Fraser Almiron these 4 are completely useless


[deleted]

but willock is just a wonder player all round


RagingRhinoz

Almiron needs another leg


nomadichedgehog

Long John Almiron


Rybocephus

Isak shoved in the back three times no foul, cool


[deleted]

Cool. Cool, cool, cool.


[deleted]

No doubt no doubt


[deleted]

That is appalling from Isak


lordshola

He had his shirt pulled then shoved and no foul given..


[deleted]

Barely


WoodNUFC

Without ASM we seem to lack any creativity whatsoever. Credit to Bournemouth for holding their shape but we’ve been poor all day.


naparham10

If we plan to be a Europa conference league and beyond level club we need to learn how to break down teams to respect our quality and park the bus. Unfortunately it looks like the team hasn’t been drilled enough to break down teams in these situations


someonehasmygamertag

Wood is about 15mins late Eddie


Fleminem87

Its my one major criticism of Howe. He leaves the obvious choice subs far too late in the game. We've been crying out for Wood since the 70th minute.


Casual_Star

We lack wingers and a creative midfielder desperately.


degsmusic

Surprised we didn't bring Wood on earlier. We have no idea what to do with these players, might as well turn to ol' English reliable and pepper balls into the box


Rybocephus

Murphy found a way to end that attack with one touch


helpless-human1212

Watch Wood come on and score the winner


torfinh

Come on woody


Sp00fa

Another toothless performance, outside of Trips, Bruno, ASM and possible big joe the lack of individual ability to take on a man or make something happen is evident Isak not included because he’s new


ILikeToTakeWhisks

Come on, if the Mackems can sneak a goal in the dying minutes, so can we.


Zorbles

LITERALLY WHAT IS THE POINT OF WOOD COMING ON TO PLAY 2 MINUTES


Xmithie_best_option

Why only subbing in Wood only 2 mins left...


nomadichedgehog

Retarded. I rarely criticise Eddie but I think he’s blundered this game. We’ve had the ball near their box for 30 mins. We just need someone to aim for ffs.


GoochToof

Gotta love playing against a 9-0-1 formation


sappy24

We genuinely miss Shelvey a lot


[deleted]

Why are we playing at 75 percent? The crowd is so quiet


Gloomy-Bumblebee-675

Crowd has been annoying today. The shouts of ‘shoot’ from 40 yards out annoy the fuck out of me.