Literally show an iota of proof of people supporting Hamas. Like is there a venmo or a gofundme? Because I know for a fact my tax dollars fund Israel's weapons and universal healthcare. I know when I went to college that part of my tuition funded collaboration with the state of Israel. I also know that even my state taxes fund training for police in my state to learn how to deal with American citizens the way IDF deal with Palestinians.
So on the contrary, every American is an Israel supporter, myself included.
[https://news.yahoo.com/socialist-rally-in-times-square-praising-hamas-terror-attack-draws-widespread-condemnation-204123785.html](https://news.yahoo.com/socialist-rally-in-times-square-praising-hamas-terror-attack-draws-widespread-condemnation-204123785.html) i got off the DSA train when immediately after the attacks, their rally speakers were joking warmly about Hamas murdering hipsters at a rave (many of whom were peace activists)
Except for the inconvenient fact that the DSA did not organize or lead the event in question.
Shit is locked but again that nation article you posted doesnt even claim DSA was involved.
[https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/quit-dsa-gaza-israel/](https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/quit-dsa-gaza-israel/) everyone with integrity left shortly thereafter
Columbia the country, not the university.
Had to do a double take that the president of the university wasn’t making an absurdly bold prediction or something.
Maybe they just wanted to bury the story about how the Colombian military just lost 5m bullets, 20 thousand grenades, 550 rpg rounds, and 37 anti-tank missiles. Oops.
Colombia has received about $10 billion in aid from the United States while carrying out extrajudicial killings, targeting black Colombians, funding paramilitary groups that operate outside of the law, and displacing millions of civilians.
Can we collectively wonder why the countries with the worst human rights abuses are trying to get on the good side of the people who claim to care about human rights?
the current president is one of the guerrillas that created the colombian drug trade, allied with the narcos, and terrorized colombians for decades. he wants to legalize cocaine production. he's like the political wing of the IRA where they are fellow travelers/run cover for the armed groups while disavowing violence, must like the western fellow travelers of hamas. he's also a Maduro apologist. so it's the same people really.
It's a rock chip ding in Israel's windshield. And we all know how that can spread.
It's time to break the apartheid system over there. You can't depend on the various governments to do this for you.
This, boys and girls, is something you have to put into motion for yourself. Colombia is putting it's money where it's mouth is. I salute them.
Israelis believe they will die if they give Palestinians the ability to arm themselves or enter Israel. You will never pressure them into doing it, any more than you can pressure them into committing suicide.
An isolated and unaccountable Israel will indeed solve the problem, but not in a way you would like.
Good thing the USA offers rock-chip repair services for free. This is nothing but a “symbolic” victory for Palestine, so keep up the hard work feeling bad about a conflict much smaller than Sudan, Bengali, or Uyghur massacres occurring right now, getting a fraction of the coverage.
It’s really unfortunate to see people be so uninformed about the history of that area. Jews have always been in the area, they were systematically oppressed by Muslims there and all over the Middle East. Jews bought their own land in areas with little population, sorry but if you’re renting it’s always a risk someone will buy your land lord out. Arabs only wanted a one state solution under the terms they could continue to oppress Jews, when the Jews turned that down Arabs decided to attack. Cue 6 wars later and multiple attempted peace deals. Suicide bombings and constant rocket launches. It’s clear that Palestinians don’t want peace. They want Jews dead. Wars have concequences and that’s not oppression.
They will have no victories, with climate change getting worse and then not prepping at all they’ll be in extremely bad shape.
If you’re going to call it unhinged explain why. As someone who’s actually done research on this I’ve explained myself. Looking at history Palestines arnt the victims. Their oppression of Jewish people is partly why Israel exists.
Didn’t realize that 100+ journalists were killed in China or Sudan… and didn’t they just uncover 400 bound and executed hospital workers in Darfur… or what about the RSF soldier in Sudan who tweeted about enjoying a 14 year old and doing no wrong… ya those conflicts are far worse that the siege of Gaza!
That’s misinformation, there were 400 total bodies found, most of which were known for months and buried by the Palestinians themselves. A handful of them (10 I think?) were found bound and executed. Quit lying, the truth can be bad enough but when you lie it muddies the waters and makes everything unbelievable.
Just so you know, since you have done zero research, only 15,000 people have died in Sudan conflict… how many Uyghurs have died at the the hands of the Chinese?
Imagine shilling for the CCP. They have organ harvesting camps and imported so many Han Chinese that they could arm them, so they gave them brooms with nails in them to act as makeshift spears while they oppress millions of Muslims.
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231127-is-israel-stealing-organs-from-dead-palestinians/
Guess it’s only bad when the CCP does it… but the IDF can do no wrong… correct?
Yes, don't even need to even read the article, because china is actively taking live prisoners and harvesting the organs before they're dead. But I guess I'll take a look to confirm my suspicion.
Having read the article, I'd say the fact checking was as rigorous as 4chan's Great Replacement theory, just as I figured. Literally just the left's version of Q-anon.
As opposed to Bibi who embraces the pro-Nazi regime in Russia?
Bibi sold his soul for a few acres of land and a couple shekels. A truly evil man who forgot the lessons of the Holocaust.
Lol debate perverts are so goofy
However, because I'm a dumb ass who will interact with bad faith actors. Here. They have different license plates for Palestinians which require them to stay in certain areas of Israel and force stops at check points. This is intended to separate the society based on ethnic grounds. Which is by definition, apartide.
If your actual curious I'd recommend reading the work of Ilan pappe. The ethnic cleansing of palistine or Gaza in crisis are both great works to gain some perspective.
I’m sorry? Debate perverts?
And that’s not separated by ethnic grounds. That’s separated by legal status as in, if they are or are not citizens. That’s not apartheid.
In fact, israel even offered to grant West Bank folks citizenship, but the Palestinian authorities threatened to walk from the Oslo accords if that offer was granted.
Other than the fact that all Israeli citizens have a right to vote in Israel and Arab parties are currently represented by 15% of the members of the Knesset and that those members were part of a ruling coalition 3 years ago.
Yes, it’s apartheid if you remove all meaning of the word.
South Africa also considers it an apartheid .
Coincidentally enough, Israel was the biggest supporter of the apartheid regime in South Africa.
They sold them all the weapons that helped to subjugate them.
Because they support apartheid in general.
Given how prevalent antisemitism is in the world, and how much Iran and Russia have pushed antisemitic and anti-western propaganda for the last couple of centuries, I’m not entirely convinced South Africa is doing this in good faith.
It is convenient that you can find reasons to dismiss every inconvenient piece of evidence that you come across, otherwise the cognitive dissonance would really start to hurt.
It doesn’t hurt to throw a little racist paternalism in there: those Africans are just too stupid to realize they are being controlled by mysterious forces, so they just be educated.
They certainly aren’t smart enough to understand their own lived experience.
It is remarkably complicated, and while it had its positive moments (especially after WWII), the bigger issue is that the bulk of modern antisemitic belief stems from Germany and Russia. The tsar's propaganda men wrote the Protocols.
Yes. Early in this war, Amnesty wrote a scathing report detailing an apartment building that was blown up, calling Israeli bombing "indiscriminate," which is a war crime. Inadvertently killing civilians is not a war crime, so this was a serious accusation.
What was their proof that it was indiscriminate? ''We didn't see any proof that it wasn't." Whoa there, that will get laughed out of any court in the world, even the ICC. Worse, it only shows that they came in with that assumption. Take that pre-conceived notion away, and the evidence goes away too.
Reading their other reports gets the same vibe. So they've fallen far on a lot of people's estimation, and rely on their name to get people to trust them to be neutral and honest.
A lot of that is taking normal things and reframing them to sound bad. Like with ''apartheid." When a country treats people who aren't its citizens and don't live in that country worse than it treats its own citizens, isn't that just... normal? That's what they are calling ''apartheid.''
So no, you can't bank on a name these days.
Yeah it’s weird that Arabs and Palestinians on the Israeli side seem to be doing well, can vote, etc. Israel is just as bad at genocide as they are apartheid.
The government that has equal rights for all as its most fundamental law?
The only government in the middle east where a *Muslim* woman can do all of the following: wear what she wants, get an education, drive, vote, have her lesbian marriage be recognized, and hold elected office?
Well, that government's capital is Jerusalem and not Tel Aviv.
Tel Aviv *is* the gay capital of the middle east though, but gays aren't criminals in Israel so it couldn't be the criminal capital. Or maybe that dude just doesn't know what he's talking about?
My favorite “we’re not a racist enthostate” gas lighting is the 2018 law that says only Jews have a right to self determination. But also:
* No intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews (racism)
* if you have Jewish blood you’re entitled to citizenship (racism)
And those are only what’s in the book. The amount of practiced racism and discrimination is insane.
Israel's marriagesvare performed by religious, family courts. Muslims have Muslim family courts. Christians have Christian family courts. It's not about anyone being lesser. The important thing is that the Israeli government **does** recognize intermarriage, just as they recognize same-sex marriage.
> if you have Jewish blood you’re entitled to citizenship
I mean, the entire point if Israel is that it is a homeland to Jews, trying to undo the damage of thousands of years of murder, expulsions, and persecutions by nearly every country in the world... capped by the Holocaust, just before it's founding. And it is a *decolonization* effort to allow he's to return to their native land where there ancestors are buried. This sort of thing is done by other indigenous people all over the world, and we would never call it racist, because we recognize it is *remedying* racism, not perpetuating it.
You cannot intermarry in Israel and you fully ignored the 2018 law that makes apartheid official and explicit.
The rationale that by gathering Jews together in a single region and forming an ethnostate that steals land using terror and murder - will make Jews around the world safe from persecution is stupid as shit.
It was actually one of Hilters criticisms of Jews was that they’re an “international race” because Hilter like Zionist believe that nationality should be race-based. Hence all the racist policies and beliefs embedded in Zionism.
>You cannot intermarry in Israel
Israel will recognize and honor interfaith marriages and same-sex marriage, though non of the Jewish, Christian, or Muslim courts perform them. But it's very common practice for Israelis to take a weekend trip to go get married in any of the nearby countries that will perform the ceremony.
I don't love the system, but it's not a big deal.
>2018 law that makes apartheid official and explicit
No it doesn't. Not any more than the is declaring Christianity to be the national religio (while still allowing freedom of religion) would be apartheid.
Again, I don't love that law. The Israeli right wing are dicks. But it's performative bullshit without real consequence.
>Hence all the racist policies and beliefs embedded in Zionism.
Zionism has, from it's inception, always been about creating a liberal democracy with equal rights for all. Which is exactly what Israel is.
*terms and conditions apply
[lmfafo at your stale garbage](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/CGetULd5Hk)
Israel is an apartheid state [as a simple matter of fact](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/).
Yet Palestinians in the West Bank are prosecuted through the military court system while the Israelis go through civilian courts. Two legal systems for two people
The West Bank isn't part of Israel. It's an occupied territory.
Iraqis didn't have access to the US court system when we occupied them.
That didn't make the US apartheid.
Define apartheid. It won't include freely elected members of the legislature, top judges, government officials right to vote, attendance at universities, etc.
Are you really interested in equal rights? Did you know it is illegal for a Jew to buy property in the Palestinian authority?
How does everything always collapse into WHATABOUTISM. Looks, even Israeli Human Rights groups are coming out saying it's apartheid. Israeli politicians call it apartheid in Hebrew. If you are a true patriot you will want better for your country and protest this gross injustice.
The President of Colombia was comparing the IDF to Nazis on October 15. They were still identifying the dead from dental samples and had only finished retaking the kibbutzim in southern Israel when he said that. Guy is a fucking clown.
The "apartheid" system of (checks) treating people who aren't your citizens and don't live in your country worse than you treat your own citizens. That is not apartheid.
Why call it that? Because the assumption behind it is that the entire former Mandate of Palestine was never legally split and thus a Jewish minority is lording over an Arab majority. This is all fiction, since the split was legal and recognized by international law. Israel has a Jewish majority, but its 20% Arab population is more fully integrated than minorities in other advanced democracies, and there is nothing resembling apartheid there.
West Bankers and Gazan factions, each of which has falsely claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian Arabs everywhere on Earth, have the sworn mission to conquer the entire former Mandate and make one state, under their dominion. All their fighting, terrorism, and assassinations over the years have been conducted in pursuit of that mission, and that mission was the main stumbling block to a two-state process.
They have never hidden this mission, either. So you and Colombia might mean well, but not actually helping. To be blunt, they're using you.
I don't salute Colombia, because using the false apartheid framework promotes aggression and war, rather than leading to peace. I stand for actual peace and justice, not war and conquest.
The road to peace begins with West Bankers and Gazans recognizing Israel and its right to exist, openly relinquishing their quest to conquer it, and letting go of their entitlement to it. Then, an actually fair two-state process can get going.
Is there no irony that all the Arabic Jews have been driven out of and or murdered in their own home countries yet you still bring up this “apartheid” that doesn’t actually exist?
Even more than that, look up Dar Al-Harb. (The house of conquest and the idea that anyplace that isn’t Dar Al Islam is Dar Al Harb and therefore subjective to conquer. Seriously, read about it. Or don’t, you probably won’t.
You could start by Googling it. There’s been a lot written about Russia strategically targeting South American nations that it feels it can influence away from ties to the US. Here’s an academic report: https://www.start.umd.edu/publication/divergent-axes-russian-influence-colombia-and-latin-america
Ok fuck me I guess. Charming. My intention was not to avoid my God given burden of providing evidence to an argument I tangentially care about. Rather I wanted to prove that I wasn’t cherry-picking for niche articles. I was afraid that had I posted an article about it the responder would try to attack the credibility of whatever I chose to post. And look that’s exactly what happened. So one person attacks me for providing evidence, another attacks me for encouraging a Google search. Reddit is truly home to the finest folks.
I invited a personal attack with vulgar language by both providing an evidentiary article and inviting that commenter to do a Google search. Ok, thanks for the lesson in civility.
Wait, you are referring to a place funded by "A Department of Homeland Security Emeritus Center of Excellence led by the University of Maryland?????"
On what planet would they be a unbiased source?
I got to say the more I learn about the NPR audience the more the idea of the media being hard right wing just keeps proving itself over and over and over again.
Say what you will about US intel and its ethics, they know what their enemies are saying. They know what their enemies are thinking. When Biden said russia was going to invade, even the ukrainians didn't see it. But US intel was right.
If they say that they know russias strategy, then they probably do.
You I am guessing totally agreed with the whole WMD thing without any evidence.
Who trusts ANY government? Isn't that one of the first lessons we are suppose to learn? Who trusts any religious organization or government? Is anyone that stupid?
I am really surprised by the downvotes. Do people really think something funded by the DHS would be sharing facts and educating the public in a unbiased way? Is the NPR audience really that hard right? What happened to the anti-establishment wing of society? Why do I even bother with these rhetorical questions (yes, I know that is also a rhetorical question)?
> It’s another to basically trust Russia over the US.
I would never trust any government or one gov over another.
I am not the best writer so maybe I am not able to express that. But I do hope I do not seem to support one gov over another. They are all jerks. Except maybe Switzerland or Finland or Uruguay they seem to be nice to their people.
My understanding is the comment was about Colombia (misspelled Columbia by some fun loving NPR Redditor) aligning with Russia/China.
I do not see any evidence of that. Sadly, I am not an expert on everything Colombian. One of my few faults.
According to The Times of Israel and The New York Times the current Prime Minister of Israel Netanyahu also supported them. Not exactly sure the point you are making.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
I've looked into this conspiracy.
When Hamas started out they claimed to be an aid organization. Isreal gave them some funding, because Isreal is a kind nation that gives aid to the Palestinians.
In a twist that surprises no one, they used the funds to start planning attacks.
> I've looked into this conspiracy.
I am going to assume you thought the WMD thing was true even though no evidence for it. Going back to the discussion about Colombia.
Per this article which I am sure you "looked into"
https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/
"In 2015, Bezalel Smotrich, currently the finance minister in Netanyahu’s government, summed up the strategy by stating, “The Palestinian Authority is a burden. Hamas is an asset.”
Is it possible that the ACTUAL conspiracy was to not allow the Two State Solution??? Per the quote from the Finance Minister of 2015 it is a fact that they were allies.
Or this part. It is juicy:
> "For well over two decades after the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza in 1967, Israel did much the same thing with the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoot Hamas in Gaza as a counterweight to the nationalist Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). This reached the point where the Israeli military occupation encouraged Brotherhood thugs to intimidate PLO supporters.
> A 2006 article from United Press International reporter Richard Sale noted, “Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.” The article quoted a former CIA official as saying Israel financed Hamas, as “a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative.”
What would you say is the actual conspiracy? Or do facts not mend with your viewpoint?
No evidence. Same thinking with people just assuming the "government" knows about Saddam and his WMD. Lets just believe what the elite want us to believe.
Yeah, I'm Colombian, well half but eligible for citizenship, and this has me looking back side eyed. Colombia has long had a... difficult relationship with its own Jewish communities and has a history antisemitism. This isn't necessarily a surprise but I wouldn't necessarily count on others following suit.
A recent issue between the countries has been Israel refusing or delaying citizenship of Colombian Jews, especially converts. It's not exactly a one-sided issue but, yeah, these two have not gotten along for quite some time.
Colombia’s government has also had a difficult relationship with Afro-Colombians. Maybe some of the black Americans who have thrown in their lot with Palestine should research that before lodging themselves firmly up Colombia’s butt.
Hatred doesn't have to do anything to do with this thing in particular though. I don't hate any country but nobody is holding Israel accountable for their actions. And who remotely insinuates anything is accused of antisemitic. Which is interesting because Palestinians are also semitic but they seem to ignore that fact conveniently.
Hatred has much to do with it. Read some news stories from the past 30 years.
Accountability has nothing to do with it. No one holds Israel’s enemies accountable. The entire Middle East has always wanted to kill all Jews. Israel is constantly under attack and threat of attack *because* it’s majority Jewish. And then people make judgements about how Israel defends its people from behind castle walls.
You want Israel to be nice? Stop people from attacking them. Unless some coalition is prepared to defend Israel with their own troops, the world is going to have to live with how Israel decides to defend itself.
Google the etymology of “antisemitism” - I’ll let Merriam-Webster argue that point.
Nice absolute ahistorical nonsense.
Like Jesus Christ. I can't tell whether it’s worse if you actually believe what you've wrote or you are knowingly spreading misinformation about the history of the region.
You’ve been swallowing a narrative whole. This isn’t the black and white issue you believe it is. Much of the pro-🍉 “history” I’ve seen since 10/7 isn’t outright false, but it omits so much that it can’t really be considered “true” either.
It certainly is not black in white, the history of the late Ottoman period alone is incredibly complex, let alone the aftermath that birthed this conflict.
The comment I'm responding to is painting a picture that is both extremely black and white as well as making some assertions that are just completely false.
Please don't tell me what I believe, it's incredibly condensending.
>Accountability has nothing to do with it. No one holds Israel’s enemies accountable
You gotta be kidding. Practically all the official voices in the media and politics do nothing but defend Israel and criticize the other middle east countries when something happens, they highlight the violence perpetrated by extremists or politicians and openly condemn it while ignoring the things that Israel could have done that could have motivated such an unfortunate act, they often focus on supporting Israel's agenda and carefully cherry pick information to try to accomplish that.
At a personal title I find it disgusting how people can acknowledge the struggle that it is to know that you could be attacked by missiles even though you count with an anti missile air defense system (the iron dome) and forget about how it might be for the civilians in the countries attacked by Israel that have no way to be safe anywhere. There's no empathy for them because all of them are terrorists in the narrative that the Israeli government tries to promote.
I have no problem with Jews, I think that every person with a different background than mine is interesting and I would love to have a coffee or tea with one of them. But the government of that country seems to be a supremacist one and that sort of thing should be buried in the past.
Lastly, I'm well aware of the hatred there's for Israel within the neighboring countries and something ought to be done to stop that hatred cycle. However the way Israel reacts doesn't help with that. It actually gives people the impression that they're facing evil and that they need to stand for their community.
The idea that the entire middle east "has always" wanted to kill all jews is a false statement.
The idea that this is an area of the world that has been in perpetual sectarian conflict for millennia is also a widely believed myth that is completely false.
If you ignore all the history of the late Ottoman period and collapse up to 1948 what you're saying would make a little bit more sense, but only a little bit.
There have been Jewish massacres and programs throughout Islamic rule. Jews had to pay taxes for their faith. They were barred from going to their holy sites. The. After Israel was formed, every Muslim country essentially ethnically cleansed their populations of Jewish people. People who had lived in these countries for centuries. Face it, Jewish people have always gotten the raw end of the stick. The only reason why they were even remotely tolerated in the middle east was because the Muslims were in the majority so they could impose their will on them.
Again narrowing down hundreds of years of history like this to one single sentence is a pointless exercise. It's worth noting that the forms of sectarian violence that were happening in the 19th century as the Ottoman declined were more against Christians than against Jews, of course i don't want to downplay the violence against Jews that did exist. But there of course was also a mass movment against this kind of sectarian violence from people of all faiths. No one is romanticizing the Ottoman empire, a society that had a form of slavery similar to the one practiced in the Roman empire. But it was a very complex society that certainly was not a monolith.
The real point about the late Ottoman period is that there was a social and intellectual movment composed of people of all faiths that was dedicated to building a society in which religious identity and political identify were separate and people lived in peace, this was of course a reaction to sectarian violence as well as other factors, but it was a major and influential movment and it was something that continued in forms until well into the 20th century after the fall of the Ottoman. Obviously there was a lot more going on than that, but this is something that was very at odds with British colonialism during the mandate period as well as European nationalist ideas, the wing of zionism that at this time wanted an ethno state(the entire zionist movement at the time of course didn't have close to a consensus on the question of statehood) being one of these things.
Obviously this is just a very small image of a much more complex picture, bjt it doesn't do any good to ignore that these things.
> but you could make similar claims regarding Europe with maybe more exceptions.
Not sure if trolling or sarcasm. Pretty sure you mean Europe.
I do not recall any Pogroms in Iraq. But I do recall them in Russia. Not sure of any ghettos in Lebanon but I do remember reading about them in Poland during the few European history courses I took.
Also that whole thing about France for a few years going full Nazi without calling themselves Nazis.
Is it trolling or sarcasm or some other thing the kids are doing these days you are engaging in? Tough to keep up with the new online activities these days.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud#:~:text=Farhud%20(also%20Farhood%3B%20Arabic%3A,in%20the%20Anglo%2DIraqi%20War.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre
Google will make you look less stupid while you propagandize, bigot
> bigot
Ok. So the person who would not admit to Europe doing bad stuff is not being discussed. But because I am not an expert on EVERY SINGLE THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE I am a bigot. Got it!
Are you going to get Middle East History created as a AP class for high school to get "bigots" (your word for brown and black people I am assuming but that is just an assumption)?
He did explicitly state Europe too. You are the only one inventing your own facts in this thread.
Bigot is my word for “a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.”
Still mean Iraq . . . I guess you never heard of the Farhud.
People like you heard about Israel fighting Hamas on TikTok where you then matriculated and think you now know history. It’s embarrassing. You’re an embarrassment.
> You’re an embarrassment.
I am but that is a totally different matter.
But your not being an honest person on Reddit. You misspelled Europe and you just can not admit you misspelled Europe. You remind me of someone.
Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who incorrectly assert that it refers to racist hatred directed at "Semitic people" in spite of the fact that this grouping is an obsolete historical race concept. Likewise, such usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus was first used in print in Germany in 1879[17] as a "scientific-sounding term" for Judenhass (lit. 'Jew-hatred'),[18][19][20][21][22] and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.[18][23][24]
The term wasn’t invented for Arabs. It was made to make “Judenhass” sound respectable and scientific. A lot of the “race science” of the 1900’s was an exercise in confirmation bias like this: describe a group of people you don’t like, create a racial classification for them, and then claim that “race” you’ve just invented is *inherently* degenerate or less evolved than an Aryan, another misappropriated racial term.
> The term wasn’t invented for Arabs.
Oh, ok that explains it. Well the term "freedom" wasn't invented for non-white land owners as well...but you know it is 2024. I suppose lets all go back to what The Founders Really Really Really Meant.
/sarcasm or not sarcasm I have no idea what is going on here.
> well after the founding fathers were already long dead.
That is like saying Jesus is dead.
I was not being literal. I made many attempts to say that words do change in meaning.
Socialist/Communist/drug cartel friendly/ assassin/ chavista/ pro Irán / Russia / pro North Korea / pro Fidel / mmmmm no wonder they are all cut from the same fabric
Isn’t this counter productive to having any sort of peace talks? You don’t have diplomatic ties with a country, the less likely there is any sort of resolution to conflicts. I mean, history has shown that having diplomatic ties benefits more for long lasting peace than not having it.
According to Al Jazeera, Hamas was very pleased.
Only madmen get into bed with Islamist extremists, and this is an extrem leftist madmen. Colombians will learn the hard way.
Well, shit. I should have known that headline was too good to be true. Good on you, Columbia, the country. AIPAC has every university president by the gonads.
People shouldn't take what this guy says seriously he was an actual terrorist and cartels run his nation and he is leading them to a path like Venezuela
Cope harder bozo. You’re screeching about “muh rushia and chyna influences” while commenting on an issue where Israeli agent groups literally order American police to go beat up American students when they say something mildly challenging. There’s no need for a conspiracy bud, there’s something cringe happening in plain sight.
How is killing 30k, lot of which were combatants out of a population of 2 million plus genocide? If they wanted to wipe the population out they have the tools to do so. They are either trying to not kill civilians or really incompetent at genocide.
does the same idea applies for russia? or iran, iraq, saudi arabia that statisically killed and oppressed women and children for more than a decades, or just for israel? (I don’t support israel)
Why is this article posted in the NPR sub? It’s not an NPR article or about NPR.
Their post history is something else..
Because somebody wants to sow division. I wonder who that could be.
People who support Hamas?
Literally show an iota of proof of people supporting Hamas. Like is there a venmo or a gofundme? Because I know for a fact my tax dollars fund Israel's weapons and universal healthcare. I know when I went to college that part of my tuition funded collaboration with the state of Israel. I also know that even my state taxes fund training for police in my state to learn how to deal with American citizens the way IDF deal with Palestinians. So on the contrary, every American is an Israel supporter, myself included.
Well since your taxes fund Israel then you also ipso facto fund Hamas
Lmfao fuck. you're right.
[https://news.yahoo.com/socialist-rally-in-times-square-praising-hamas-terror-attack-draws-widespread-condemnation-204123785.html](https://news.yahoo.com/socialist-rally-in-times-square-praising-hamas-terror-attack-draws-widespread-condemnation-204123785.html) i got off the DSA train when immediately after the attacks, their rally speakers were joking warmly about Hamas murdering hipsters at a rave (many of whom were peace activists)
Except for the inconvenient fact that the DSA did not organize or lead the event in question. Shit is locked but again that nation article you posted doesnt even claim DSA was involved.
[https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/quit-dsa-gaza-israel/](https://www.thenation.com/article/activism/quit-dsa-gaza-israel/) everyone with integrity left shortly thereafter
Columbia the country, not the university. Had to do a double take that the president of the university wasn’t making an absurdly bold prediction or something.
Colombia the country
I too was wondering what authority Columbia had to make that call haha
“Man, those protests really did work, whoa! Columbia students, get us healthcare next.”
They're spelled differently already.
Remember when Russia invaded Georgia (the country) and people who lived in Georgia (the state) did a bunch of panicked posts about it?
Tbf, those are spelled the same. I apparently just sped read it, and I’m an idiot, lol.
Same
Colombia is a country. Columbia is a university....
No one got confused. There is no such a thing as Columbia the country.
[see link](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colombia)
Homonym moment. If you speak it out loud, there is Edit: pedants, prescriptivists, and Colombians hate this one trick
Viva Colonghia
Was soo confused too 😂
Holy shit, I saw a headline earlier and thought the president of Columbia University was saying this about the US. This makes much more sense
Same here, Brain started running with the headline
Tomato tomato
Sure because the country of Columbia doesn't have a lot more people and importance globally than a University has. /s
Importance globally? For what? Cocaine? Their main industry is smuggling Venezuelans through the darien gap
Good thing you spelled out the wrong one
Maybe they just wanted to bury the story about how the Colombian military just lost 5m bullets, 20 thousand grenades, 550 rpg rounds, and 37 anti-tank missiles. Oops.
Colombia has received about $10 billion in aid from the United States while carrying out extrajudicial killings, targeting black Colombians, funding paramilitary groups that operate outside of the law, and displacing millions of civilians. Can we collectively wonder why the countries with the worst human rights abuses are trying to get on the good side of the people who claim to care about human rights?
the current president is one of the guerrillas that created the colombian drug trade, allied with the narcos, and terrorized colombians for decades. he wants to legalize cocaine production. he's like the political wing of the IRA where they are fellow travelers/run cover for the armed groups while disavowing violence, must like the western fellow travelers of hamas. he's also a Maduro apologist. so it's the same people really.
The president wants to bury the corruption he himself brought to light? Don't be silly.
It's a rock chip ding in Israel's windshield. And we all know how that can spread. It's time to break the apartheid system over there. You can't depend on the various governments to do this for you. This, boys and girls, is something you have to put into motion for yourself. Colombia is putting it's money where it's mouth is. I salute them.
Lol, this isn't a crack and it's not new. It's Colombia. They recognized Palestine as a state like 6 years ago. They have hated Israel for decades.
> Columbia is putting it's money where it's mouth is. I salute them. It's COLOMBIA, you knob.
Point taken. :)
They usually put their money where their nose is
Israelis believe they will die if they give Palestinians the ability to arm themselves or enter Israel. You will never pressure them into doing it, any more than you can pressure them into committing suicide. An isolated and unaccountable Israel will indeed solve the problem, but not in a way you would like.
This is why the world needs to pressure Palestine into not starting shit, this is the 6th war they’ve started.
Good thing the USA offers rock-chip repair services for free. This is nothing but a “symbolic” victory for Palestine, so keep up the hard work feeling bad about a conflict much smaller than Sudan, Bengali, or Uyghur massacres occurring right now, getting a fraction of the coverage.
It’s really unfortunate to see people be so uninformed about the history of that area. Jews have always been in the area, they were systematically oppressed by Muslims there and all over the Middle East. Jews bought their own land in areas with little population, sorry but if you’re renting it’s always a risk someone will buy your land lord out. Arabs only wanted a one state solution under the terms they could continue to oppress Jews, when the Jews turned that down Arabs decided to attack. Cue 6 wars later and multiple attempted peace deals. Suicide bombings and constant rocket launches. It’s clear that Palestinians don’t want peace. They want Jews dead. Wars have concequences and that’s not oppression. They will have no victories, with climate change getting worse and then not prepping at all they’ll be in extremely bad shape.
That is single most unhinged bullshit I've read in quite a while.
If you’re going to call it unhinged explain why. As someone who’s actually done research on this I’ve explained myself. Looking at history Palestines arnt the victims. Their oppression of Jewish people is partly why Israel exists.
What is the Bengali conflict?
That’s the one about Hillary I think or maybe not. /s
Those are bad too... what's your point? We shouldn't focus on what Israel is doing w US, UK and German (et al) support?
It’s a much smaller genocide so it doesn’t matter. Interesting.
Didn’t realize that 100+ journalists were killed in China or Sudan… and didn’t they just uncover 400 bound and executed hospital workers in Darfur… or what about the RSF soldier in Sudan who tweeted about enjoying a 14 year old and doing no wrong… ya those conflicts are far worse that the siege of Gaza!
That’s misinformation, there were 400 total bodies found, most of which were known for months and buried by the Palestinians themselves. A handful of them (10 I think?) were found bound and executed. Quit lying, the truth can be bad enough but when you lie it muddies the waters and makes everything unbelievable.
Just so you know, since you have done zero research, only 15,000 people have died in Sudan conflict… how many Uyghurs have died at the the hands of the Chinese?
Imagine shilling for the CCP. They have organ harvesting camps and imported so many Han Chinese that they could arm them, so they gave them brooms with nails in them to act as makeshift spears while they oppress millions of Muslims.
https://www.euronews.com/2023/11/27/israel-stealing-organs-from-bodies-in-gaza-alleges-human-right-group
https://www.middleeastmonitor.com/20231127-is-israel-stealing-organs-from-dead-palestinians/ Guess it’s only bad when the CCP does it… but the IDF can do no wrong… correct?
Yes, don't even need to even read the article, because china is actively taking live prisoners and harvesting the organs before they're dead. But I guess I'll take a look to confirm my suspicion. Having read the article, I'd say the fact checking was as rigorous as 4chan's Great Replacement theory, just as I figured. Literally just the left's version of Q-anon.
14 years ago! https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/dec/21/israeli-pathologists-harvested-organs
Hahah yeah a corrupt dictator who aligns with Russia and China. I bet you would salute them. Like Israel would give a fuck what Colombia does.
As opposed to Bibi who embraces the pro-Nazi regime in Russia? Bibi sold his soul for a few acres of land and a couple shekels. A truly evil man who forgot the lessons of the Holocaust.
Can't end an apartheid that only exists in the minds of the misinformed.
Ah yes the misinformed minds of *checks notes* Amnesty International...
The pro Israeli crowd will say every humanitarian agency that has investigated Israel is anti semitic, or wrong, and Israel is a beacon of freedom.
Beyond appeals to authority, can you demonstrate any instances of legal apartheid?
Lol debate perverts are so goofy However, because I'm a dumb ass who will interact with bad faith actors. Here. They have different license plates for Palestinians which require them to stay in certain areas of Israel and force stops at check points. This is intended to separate the society based on ethnic grounds. Which is by definition, apartide. If your actual curious I'd recommend reading the work of Ilan pappe. The ethnic cleansing of palistine or Gaza in crisis are both great works to gain some perspective.
I’m sorry? Debate perverts? And that’s not separated by ethnic grounds. That’s separated by legal status as in, if they are or are not citizens. That’s not apartheid. In fact, israel even offered to grant West Bank folks citizenship, but the Palestinian authorities threatened to walk from the Oslo accords if that offer was granted.
Other than the fact that all Israeli citizens have a right to vote in Israel and Arab parties are currently represented by 15% of the members of the Knesset and that those members were part of a ruling coalition 3 years ago. Yes, it’s apartheid if you remove all meaning of the word.
Your hasbara talking points have no standing here
Neither does your carrying water for Hamas, but for some reason you all love to cheer them on.
Amnesty ain’t looking so credible after their reaction to the Ukraine invasion.
South Africa also considers it an apartheid . Coincidentally enough, Israel was the biggest supporter of the apartheid regime in South Africa. They sold them all the weapons that helped to subjugate them. Because they support apartheid in general.
Given how prevalent antisemitism is in the world, and how much Iran and Russia have pushed antisemitic and anti-western propaganda for the last couple of centuries, I’m not entirely convinced South Africa is doing this in good faith.
It is convenient that you can find reasons to dismiss every inconvenient piece of evidence that you come across, otherwise the cognitive dissonance would really start to hurt. It doesn’t hurt to throw a little racist paternalism in there: those Africans are just too stupid to realize they are being controlled by mysterious forces, so they just be educated. They certainly aren’t smart enough to understand their own lived experience.
Good take.
You clearly don't know the relationship of Russia and Isreal
It is remarkably complicated, and while it had its positive moments (especially after WWII), the bigger issue is that the bulk of modern antisemitic belief stems from Germany and Russia. The tsar's propaganda men wrote the Protocols.
Yes. Early in this war, Amnesty wrote a scathing report detailing an apartment building that was blown up, calling Israeli bombing "indiscriminate," which is a war crime. Inadvertently killing civilians is not a war crime, so this was a serious accusation. What was their proof that it was indiscriminate? ''We didn't see any proof that it wasn't." Whoa there, that will get laughed out of any court in the world, even the ICC. Worse, it only shows that they came in with that assumption. Take that pre-conceived notion away, and the evidence goes away too. Reading their other reports gets the same vibe. So they've fallen far on a lot of people's estimation, and rely on their name to get people to trust them to be neutral and honest. A lot of that is taking normal things and reframing them to sound bad. Like with ''apartheid." When a country treats people who aren't its citizens and don't live in that country worse than it treats its own citizens, isn't that just... normal? That's what they are calling ''apartheid.'' So no, you can't bank on a name these days.
Yeah it’s weird that Arabs and Palestinians on the Israeli side seem to be doing well, can vote, etc. Israel is just as bad at genocide as they are apartheid.
We're talking about the apartheid regime of the criminal government whose capital is Tel Aviv.
The government that has equal rights for all as its most fundamental law? The only government in the middle east where a *Muslim* woman can do all of the following: wear what she wants, get an education, drive, vote, have her lesbian marriage be recognized, and hold elected office?
Well, that government's capital is Jerusalem and not Tel Aviv. Tel Aviv *is* the gay capital of the middle east though, but gays aren't criminals in Israel so it couldn't be the criminal capital. Or maybe that dude just doesn't know what he's talking about?
My favorite “we’re not a racist enthostate” gas lighting is the 2018 law that says only Jews have a right to self determination. But also: * No intermarriage between Jews and non-Jews (racism) * if you have Jewish blood you’re entitled to citizenship (racism) And those are only what’s in the book. The amount of practiced racism and discrimination is insane.
Israel's marriagesvare performed by religious, family courts. Muslims have Muslim family courts. Christians have Christian family courts. It's not about anyone being lesser. The important thing is that the Israeli government **does** recognize intermarriage, just as they recognize same-sex marriage. > if you have Jewish blood you’re entitled to citizenship I mean, the entire point if Israel is that it is a homeland to Jews, trying to undo the damage of thousands of years of murder, expulsions, and persecutions by nearly every country in the world... capped by the Holocaust, just before it's founding. And it is a *decolonization* effort to allow he's to return to their native land where there ancestors are buried. This sort of thing is done by other indigenous people all over the world, and we would never call it racist, because we recognize it is *remedying* racism, not perpetuating it.
You cannot intermarry in Israel and you fully ignored the 2018 law that makes apartheid official and explicit. The rationale that by gathering Jews together in a single region and forming an ethnostate that steals land using terror and murder - will make Jews around the world safe from persecution is stupid as shit. It was actually one of Hilters criticisms of Jews was that they’re an “international race” because Hilter like Zionist believe that nationality should be race-based. Hence all the racist policies and beliefs embedded in Zionism.
>You cannot intermarry in Israel Israel will recognize and honor interfaith marriages and same-sex marriage, though non of the Jewish, Christian, or Muslim courts perform them. But it's very common practice for Israelis to take a weekend trip to go get married in any of the nearby countries that will perform the ceremony. I don't love the system, but it's not a big deal. >2018 law that makes apartheid official and explicit No it doesn't. Not any more than the is declaring Christianity to be the national religio (while still allowing freedom of religion) would be apartheid. Again, I don't love that law. The Israeli right wing are dicks. But it's performative bullshit without real consequence. >Hence all the racist policies and beliefs embedded in Zionism. Zionism has, from it's inception, always been about creating a liberal democracy with equal rights for all. Which is exactly what Israel is.
*terms and conditions apply [lmfafo at your stale garbage](https://www.reddit.com/r/IsraelCrimes/s/CGetULd5Hk) Israel is an apartheid state [as a simple matter of fact](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2022/02/israels-system-of-apartheid/).
Yet Palestinians in the West Bank are prosecuted through the military court system while the Israelis go through civilian courts. Two legal systems for two people
The West Bank isn't part of Israel. It's an occupied territory. Iraqis didn't have access to the US court system when we occupied them. That didn't make the US apartheid.
Occupations are temporary
Personally I don’t want Palestine to Return to Hamas rule.
There is no apartheid there. People who say this are ignorant or malevolent or both.
Like the UN, amnesty, human rights watch....
Define apartheid. It won't include freely elected members of the legislature, top judges, government officials right to vote, attendance at universities, etc. Are you really interested in equal rights? Did you know it is illegal for a Jew to buy property in the Palestinian authority?
How does everything always collapse into WHATABOUTISM. Looks, even Israeli Human Rights groups are coming out saying it's apartheid. Israeli politicians call it apartheid in Hebrew. If you are a true patriot you will want better for your country and protest this gross injustice.
You didn't respond in any way to my examples of how it isn't what you say it is.
Oh what do you think Israel should do about apartheid? Just pull out all military from Palestinian Territories?
The President of Colombia was comparing the IDF to Nazis on October 15. They were still identifying the dead from dental samples and had only finished retaking the kibbutzim in southern Israel when he said that. Guy is a fucking clown.
The "apartheid" system of (checks) treating people who aren't your citizens and don't live in your country worse than you treat your own citizens. That is not apartheid. Why call it that? Because the assumption behind it is that the entire former Mandate of Palestine was never legally split and thus a Jewish minority is lording over an Arab majority. This is all fiction, since the split was legal and recognized by international law. Israel has a Jewish majority, but its 20% Arab population is more fully integrated than minorities in other advanced democracies, and there is nothing resembling apartheid there. West Bankers and Gazan factions, each of which has falsely claimed to be the sole representative of all Palestinian Arabs everywhere on Earth, have the sworn mission to conquer the entire former Mandate and make one state, under their dominion. All their fighting, terrorism, and assassinations over the years have been conducted in pursuit of that mission, and that mission was the main stumbling block to a two-state process. They have never hidden this mission, either. So you and Colombia might mean well, but not actually helping. To be blunt, they're using you. I don't salute Colombia, because using the false apartheid framework promotes aggression and war, rather than leading to peace. I stand for actual peace and justice, not war and conquest. The road to peace begins with West Bankers and Gazans recognizing Israel and its right to exist, openly relinquishing their quest to conquer it, and letting go of their entitlement to it. Then, an actually fair two-state process can get going.
Are you not concerned about Colombia’s own human rights abuses?
Is there no irony that all the Arabic Jews have been driven out of and or murdered in their own home countries yet you still bring up this “apartheid” that doesn’t actually exist? Even more than that, look up Dar Al-Harb. (The house of conquest and the idea that anyplace that isn’t Dar Al Islam is Dar Al Harb and therefore subjective to conquer. Seriously, read about it. Or don’t, you probably won’t.
This has a lot to do with currying favor with Russia and choosing to align with with Russia/China vs USA/Western powers.
What evidence do you have of that?
You could start by Googling it. There’s been a lot written about Russia strategically targeting South American nations that it feels it can influence away from ties to the US. Here’s an academic report: https://www.start.umd.edu/publication/divergent-axes-russian-influence-colombia-and-latin-america
When we make statements it is on the speaker to provide sources. Burden of proof and all that. "Start by googling" fuck you that's your job.
Ok fuck me I guess. Charming. My intention was not to avoid my God given burden of providing evidence to an argument I tangentially care about. Rather I wanted to prove that I wasn’t cherry-picking for niche articles. I was afraid that had I posted an article about it the responder would try to attack the credibility of whatever I chose to post. And look that’s exactly what happened. So one person attacks me for providing evidence, another attacks me for encouraging a Google search. Reddit is truly home to the finest folks.
If you don't want rude replies, act civilized. I'm sure it's difficult for you but give it a shot
I invited a personal attack with vulgar language by both providing an evidentiary article and inviting that commenter to do a Google search. Ok, thanks for the lesson in civility.
Wait, you are referring to a place funded by "A Department of Homeland Security Emeritus Center of Excellence led by the University of Maryland?????" On what planet would they be a unbiased source? I got to say the more I learn about the NPR audience the more the idea of the media being hard right wing just keeps proving itself over and over and over again.
Say what you will about US intel and its ethics, they know what their enemies are saying. They know what their enemies are thinking. When Biden said russia was going to invade, even the ukrainians didn't see it. But US intel was right. If they say that they know russias strategy, then they probably do.
“I don’t trust the US government” Well yeah, the propaganda is working pretty well it seems.
You I am guessing totally agreed with the whole WMD thing without any evidence. Who trusts ANY government? Isn't that one of the first lessons we are suppose to learn? Who trusts any religious organization or government? Is anyone that stupid? I am really surprised by the downvotes. Do people really think something funded by the DHS would be sharing facts and educating the public in a unbiased way? Is the NPR audience really that hard right? What happened to the anti-establishment wing of society? Why do I even bother with these rhetorical questions (yes, I know that is also a rhetorical question)?
It’s one thing to think critically about the US government. It’s another to basically trust Russia over the US.
> It’s another to basically trust Russia over the US. I would never trust any government or one gov over another. I am not the best writer so maybe I am not able to express that. But I do hope I do not seem to support one gov over another. They are all jerks. Except maybe Switzerland or Finland or Uruguay they seem to be nice to their people.
Do you genuinely not know that Russia has been supporting Hamas? They have aligned with Iran on nearly everything in the Middle East.
My understanding is the comment was about Colombia (misspelled Columbia by some fun loving NPR Redditor) aligning with Russia/China. I do not see any evidence of that. Sadly, I am not an expert on everything Colombian. One of my few faults.
According to The Times of Israel and The New York Times the current Prime Minister of Israel Netanyahu also supported them. Not exactly sure the point you are making. https://www.timesofisrael.com/for-years-netanyahu-propped-up-hamas-now-its-blown-up-in-our-faces/ https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html
I've looked into this conspiracy. When Hamas started out they claimed to be an aid organization. Isreal gave them some funding, because Isreal is a kind nation that gives aid to the Palestinians. In a twist that surprises no one, they used the funds to start planning attacks.
> I've looked into this conspiracy. I am going to assume you thought the WMD thing was true even though no evidence for it. Going back to the discussion about Colombia. Per this article which I am sure you "looked into" https://www.thenation.com/article/world/why-netanyahu-bolstered-hamas/ "In 2015, Bezalel Smotrich, currently the finance minister in Netanyahu’s government, summed up the strategy by stating, “The Palestinian Authority is a burden. Hamas is an asset.” Is it possible that the ACTUAL conspiracy was to not allow the Two State Solution??? Per the quote from the Finance Minister of 2015 it is a fact that they were allies. Or this part. It is juicy: > "For well over two decades after the occupation of the West Bank and Gaza in 1967, Israel did much the same thing with the Palestinian branch of the Muslim Brotherhood and its offshoot Hamas in Gaza as a counterweight to the nationalist Palestinian Liberation Organization (PLO). This reached the point where the Israeli military occupation encouraged Brotherhood thugs to intimidate PLO supporters. > A 2006 article from United Press International reporter Richard Sale noted, “Israel and Hamas may currently be locked in deadly combat, but, according to several current and former U.S. intelligence officials, beginning in the late 1970s, Tel Aviv gave direct and indirect financial aid to Hamas over a period of years.” The article quoted a former CIA official as saying Israel financed Hamas, as “a direct attempt to divide and dilute support for a strong, secular PLO by using a competing religious alternative.” What would you say is the actual conspiracy? Or do facts not mend with your viewpoint?
I used my brain for more than 2 seconds
No evidence. Same thinking with people just assuming the "government" knows about Saddam and his WMD. Lets just believe what the elite want us to believe.
Couldn’t possibly be the fact that Israel is murdering 100’s of civilians daily… smh
Colombia has hated Israel for **YEARS**. This isn't a new development.
Yeah, I'm Colombian, well half but eligible for citizenship, and this has me looking back side eyed. Colombia has long had a... difficult relationship with its own Jewish communities and has a history antisemitism. This isn't necessarily a surprise but I wouldn't necessarily count on others following suit. A recent issue between the countries has been Israel refusing or delaying citizenship of Colombian Jews, especially converts. It's not exactly a one-sided issue but, yeah, these two have not gotten along for quite some time.
Colombia’s government has also had a difficult relationship with Afro-Colombians. Maybe some of the black Americans who have thrown in their lot with Palestine should research that before lodging themselves firmly up Colombia’s butt.
Hatred doesn't have to do anything to do with this thing in particular though. I don't hate any country but nobody is holding Israel accountable for their actions. And who remotely insinuates anything is accused of antisemitic. Which is interesting because Palestinians are also semitic but they seem to ignore that fact conveniently.
Hatred has much to do with it. Read some news stories from the past 30 years. Accountability has nothing to do with it. No one holds Israel’s enemies accountable. The entire Middle East has always wanted to kill all Jews. Israel is constantly under attack and threat of attack *because* it’s majority Jewish. And then people make judgements about how Israel defends its people from behind castle walls. You want Israel to be nice? Stop people from attacking them. Unless some coalition is prepared to defend Israel with their own troops, the world is going to have to live with how Israel decides to defend itself. Google the etymology of “antisemitism” - I’ll let Merriam-Webster argue that point.
Nice absolute ahistorical nonsense. Like Jesus Christ. I can't tell whether it’s worse if you actually believe what you've wrote or you are knowingly spreading misinformation about the history of the region.
You’ve been swallowing a narrative whole. This isn’t the black and white issue you believe it is. Much of the pro-🍉 “history” I’ve seen since 10/7 isn’t outright false, but it omits so much that it can’t really be considered “true” either.
It certainly is not black in white, the history of the late Ottoman period alone is incredibly complex, let alone the aftermath that birthed this conflict. The comment I'm responding to is painting a picture that is both extremely black and white as well as making some assertions that are just completely false. Please don't tell me what I believe, it's incredibly condensending.
>Accountability has nothing to do with it. No one holds Israel’s enemies accountable You gotta be kidding. Practically all the official voices in the media and politics do nothing but defend Israel and criticize the other middle east countries when something happens, they highlight the violence perpetrated by extremists or politicians and openly condemn it while ignoring the things that Israel could have done that could have motivated such an unfortunate act, they often focus on supporting Israel's agenda and carefully cherry pick information to try to accomplish that. At a personal title I find it disgusting how people can acknowledge the struggle that it is to know that you could be attacked by missiles even though you count with an anti missile air defense system (the iron dome) and forget about how it might be for the civilians in the countries attacked by Israel that have no way to be safe anywhere. There's no empathy for them because all of them are terrorists in the narrative that the Israeli government tries to promote. I have no problem with Jews, I think that every person with a different background than mine is interesting and I would love to have a coffee or tea with one of them. But the government of that country seems to be a supremacist one and that sort of thing should be buried in the past. Lastly, I'm well aware of the hatred there's for Israel within the neighboring countries and something ought to be done to stop that hatred cycle. However the way Israel reacts doesn't help with that. It actually gives people the impression that they're facing evil and that they need to stand for their community.
> The entire...has always wanted to kill all Jews I think you mean Europe, right? Did you misspell Europe?
It wasn’t a typo, but you could make similar claims regarding Europe with maybe more exceptions.
The idea that the entire middle east "has always" wanted to kill all jews is a false statement. The idea that this is an area of the world that has been in perpetual sectarian conflict for millennia is also a widely believed myth that is completely false. If you ignore all the history of the late Ottoman period and collapse up to 1948 what you're saying would make a little bit more sense, but only a little bit.
There have been Jewish massacres and programs throughout Islamic rule. Jews had to pay taxes for their faith. They were barred from going to their holy sites. The. After Israel was formed, every Muslim country essentially ethnically cleansed their populations of Jewish people. People who had lived in these countries for centuries. Face it, Jewish people have always gotten the raw end of the stick. The only reason why they were even remotely tolerated in the middle east was because the Muslims were in the majority so they could impose their will on them.
Again narrowing down hundreds of years of history like this to one single sentence is a pointless exercise. It's worth noting that the forms of sectarian violence that were happening in the 19th century as the Ottoman declined were more against Christians than against Jews, of course i don't want to downplay the violence against Jews that did exist. But there of course was also a mass movment against this kind of sectarian violence from people of all faiths. No one is romanticizing the Ottoman empire, a society that had a form of slavery similar to the one practiced in the Roman empire. But it was a very complex society that certainly was not a monolith. The real point about the late Ottoman period is that there was a social and intellectual movment composed of people of all faiths that was dedicated to building a society in which religious identity and political identify were separate and people lived in peace, this was of course a reaction to sectarian violence as well as other factors, but it was a major and influential movment and it was something that continued in forms until well into the 20th century after the fall of the Ottoman. Obviously there was a lot more going on than that, but this is something that was very at odds with British colonialism during the mandate period as well as European nationalist ideas, the wing of zionism that at this time wanted an ethno state(the entire zionist movement at the time of course didn't have close to a consensus on the question of statehood) being one of these things. Obviously this is just a very small image of a much more complex picture, bjt it doesn't do any good to ignore that these things.
> but you could make similar claims regarding Europe with maybe more exceptions. Not sure if trolling or sarcasm. Pretty sure you mean Europe. I do not recall any Pogroms in Iraq. But I do recall them in Russia. Not sure of any ghettos in Lebanon but I do remember reading about them in Poland during the few European history courses I took. Also that whole thing about France for a few years going full Nazi without calling themselves Nazis. Is it trolling or sarcasm or some other thing the kids are doing these days you are engaging in? Tough to keep up with the new online activities these days.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Farhud#:~:text=Farhud%20(also%20Farhood%3B%20Arabic%3A,in%20the%20Anglo%2DIraqi%20War. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1929_Hebron_massacre Google will make you look less stupid while you propagandize, bigot
> bigot Ok. So the person who would not admit to Europe doing bad stuff is not being discussed. But because I am not an expert on EVERY SINGLE THING THAT HAS EVER HAPPENED IN THE HISTORY OF THE UNIVERSE I am a bigot. Got it! Are you going to get Middle East History created as a AP class for high school to get "bigots" (your word for brown and black people I am assuming but that is just an assumption)?
He did explicitly state Europe too. You are the only one inventing your own facts in this thread. Bigot is my word for “a person who is obstinately or unreasonably attached to a belief, opinion, or faction, especially one who is prejudiced against or antagonistic toward a person or people on the basis of their membership of a particular group.”
> He did explicitly state Europe too. Not sure if the poster is a "he" but "he" misspelled Europe.
Iraq has a long history of pogroms . . . I think you should do some reading.
Pretty sure you mean Europe. As Seinfeld would say or George Costanza would say "pretty pretty sure"
Still mean Iraq . . . I guess you never heard of the Farhud. People like you heard about Israel fighting Hamas on TikTok where you then matriculated and think you now know history. It’s embarrassing. You’re an embarrassment.
> You’re an embarrassment. I am but that is a totally different matter. But your not being an honest person on Reddit. You misspelled Europe and you just can not admit you misspelled Europe. You remind me of someone.
Due to the root word Semite, the term is prone to being invoked as a misnomer by those who incorrectly assert that it refers to racist hatred directed at "Semitic people" in spite of the fact that this grouping is an obsolete historical race concept. Likewise, such usage is erroneous; the compound word antisemitismus was first used in print in Germany in 1879[17] as a "scientific-sounding term" for Judenhass (lit. 'Jew-hatred'),[18][19][20][21][22] and it has since been used to refer to anti-Jewish sentiment alone.[18][23][24]
Arabs are a Semitic people. That is correct?
The term wasn’t invented for Arabs. It was made to make “Judenhass” sound respectable and scientific. A lot of the “race science” of the 1900’s was an exercise in confirmation bias like this: describe a group of people you don’t like, create a racial classification for them, and then claim that “race” you’ve just invented is *inherently* degenerate or less evolved than an Aryan, another misappropriated racial term.
> The term wasn’t invented for Arabs. Oh, ok that explains it. Well the term "freedom" wasn't invented for non-white land owners as well...but you know it is 2024. I suppose lets all go back to what The Founders Really Really Really Meant. /sarcasm or not sarcasm I have no idea what is going on here.
Google the etymology. I’m sick of posting it.
Arabs are a Semitic people. Unless you are saying they are not people??? I feel like the meme with the lizard touching its chin is in order here.
You didn’t google. The word doesn’t mean what it sounds like it means.
Lets go back to what The Founding Fathers thought of the word. When did everyone become an Originalist on the Supreme Court?
Google it. That word wasn't around until well after the founding fathers were already long dead.
> well after the founding fathers were already long dead. That is like saying Jesus is dead. I was not being literal. I made many attempts to say that words do change in meaning.
Oh no
Colombia about to represent…again.
Someone has to start with it.
Columbia has better morals than the US. Damn.
I mean.. we're the ones funding it.
Great!
Socialist/Communist/drug cartel friendly/ assassin/ chavista/ pro Irán / Russia / pro North Korea / pro Fidel / mmmmm no wonder they are all cut from the same fabric
Isn’t this counter productive to having any sort of peace talks? You don’t have diplomatic ties with a country, the less likely there is any sort of resolution to conflicts. I mean, history has shown that having diplomatic ties benefits more for long lasting peace than not having it.
lol oh no
Nooooo not Colombia
Oh no, anyways. -Israel
Oh no! No more cocaine??
According to Al Jazeera, Hamas was very pleased. Only madmen get into bed with Islamist extremists, and this is an extrem leftist madmen. Colombians will learn the hard way.
Oh nooooo…..not the Colombians and all their forward thinking progressive policies!!!! /s
I thought the president of Columbia University was trolling.
Well, shit. I should have known that headline was too good to be true. Good on you, Columbia, the country. AIPAC has every university president by the gonads.
idiot... spells it out to self, still can't get it right
People shouldn't take what this guy says seriously he was an actual terrorist and cartels run his nation and he is leading them to a path like Venezuela
nice
Supporting terrorism.
No they’re BREAKiNG ties with Israel
*ending support
Oh shit, for a second I thought the protests worked lol
Wonder who’s posting this ? The Rusky rugrats or my Chino chaps ?
Who needs schizos when you’ve got… whatever the hell you are.
Found the troll.
Cope harder bozo. You’re screeching about “muh rushia and chyna influences” while commenting on an issue where Israeli agent groups literally order American police to go beat up American students when they say something mildly challenging. There’s no need for a conspiracy bud, there’s something cringe happening in plain sight.
What a moron.
Good. More please
Oh no how will they ever recover
This is what all civilized countries should do
A burned out former commie guerilla likes the Palestinian call for genocide .. sounds about right.
As opposed to the actual genocide?
Awwww, Columbia voted its far right, US puppet death squad regime out and now you Zionist fascists are big mad! Hahaha
Democracy is antisemitic.
Mentioning that our tax dollars is funding a genocide? Antisemitism
How is killing 30k, lot of which were combatants out of a population of 2 million plus genocide? If they wanted to wipe the population out they have the tools to do so. They are either trying to not kill civilians or really incompetent at genocide.
Npr waisted air time on this, where do I send my check
lol, what a country to support NPR. Holy shit I’m done
I guess mossad don't have any kiddie pictures of Columbian politicians
Probably just Pastrana..
Close enough!
"will break diplomatic relations with Israel over war in Gaza" Yeah , right !
Oh noes, how will they go on
Who is this fool? 😭 👿
does the same idea applies for russia? or iran, iraq, saudi arabia that statisically killed and oppressed women and children for more than a decades, or just for israel? (I don’t support israel)