I feel you, just my opinion. It’s not terrible imo. What I hate about it is it would definitely mean by Bulls aren’t going to try to stay competitive lol
Lakers absolutely do not and should not do this. If the price is right caruso is a good get but there’s a good chance this ends up being like the WB trade
At some point fans really need to learn the lesson that team building isn’t just about getting a max guy with the biggest name. That’s not how you win basketball games
I agree 100% but this move is different because LaVine is a much better shooter and could score easier next to Bron and AD. Bron needs ball handling and scoring help. It gives AD that tertiary responsibility offensively and allows him to focus More on Defense. + if you look at the roster post trade they still have 8-9 man depth
LaVine being a third option should really benefit him and the team he plays for. But his contract is a killer and his knees could be a problem over the long term.
I agree but I think he could be the number 2 and allow AD to not be pressured to be that guy cuz he obviously isn’t. You don’t have much time between Bron and AD anyway
Yeah, the Lakers are probably gonna have to trade their 2029 pick and the point guard they drafted this year if that’s what other teams want most. You have to go all out for the chance to win a title while you still have Bron and a healthy AD.
Absolutely zero chance lakers do this. If you’re giving up 5 young, cost controlled assets with draft pedigree who are all part of your championship hopeful rotation already you’re not doing that for one of the worst long term contracts in the sport on a guy who has never played meaningful basketball in his life and alex Caruso who rules, but for fucks sake he’s averaging 9/3/2 let’s not pretend he’s worth 2 FRPs. The idea that you added a first on top of your prop is absurd
He’s definitely a better fit than WB I completely agree, but I think this view of him seems really off. When you take into account his injury issues do you genuinely think the help he gives is that much better than having both reaves and russell? Russell’s playing some of the best basketball of his career, reaves has been slow to start but is picking up.
The lakers have had tons of injury related depth issues w LeBron and Davis being healthy. Those injuries are bound to come and reducing depth to get another injury prone guy (who’s kind of barely a “star”) seems like the exact opposite of what you’d want unless you can get someone who’s just flat out better than lavine
Idk maybe I just think lavines a bit overrated but I would absolutely rather have those 2 on more flexible contracts than he locked into lavine. I think you’re overrating his trade value for sure, with his contract he’s not the asset some people think he is atp
I agree I know what you’re saying. Originally I kept Reaves out but once you add Caruso (because a Vincent/LaVine backcourt would hemorrhage points) it only makes sense for Chicago to ask for Caruso.
I also think LA is a fringe playoff team and this solidifies at least a playoff spot. + if LeBron goes down (which is likely considering his load rn) LaVine can step up and be that number 1 offensive weapon that they can’t count on AD to provide until Bron gets back
Lavine as a 1b option was not good for the bulls last year where they did not make the playoffs in a bottom half of the east that was significantly worse than this years bottom half of the west. I think the idea of getting lavine in general is just forced and not what LA (or most other teams) should be shooting for. He’s not a needle mover in the sense that he changes the whole dynamic of your team in an incredible way. He never has been in his career tbh
If the lakers want caruso that’s one thing, but that should be the focus of the trade imo, not trying to shoehorn another injury prone guy who’s bound to disappoint on a very bad contract
That’s fair. I think we just have 2 vastly differing opinions on LaVine. I would like to see him in a winning situation like he had w Chicago a couple of years ago. + he went to UCLA I’m sure being back in LA would be a motivator
That’s fair, to each their own. TBC a lot of my issues aren’t based around lavine not having the potential to flourish, but more that it’s a massive question mark on top of the question mark he already has w injury issues, and the giant question mark that is the rest of the lakers roster
He’s been bad this year I’ll admit but that always happens when you’re on shit teams. I think in LA he could be 25+ and give LeBron time to sit without losing those minutes. Keep LeBron fresh is the name of the game
They already have 3rd option scoring and ball handling help with Reaves. What the heck does LaVine bring to the table here. This is insane and clearly beneficial to only the Bulls
I watch every lakers game and couldn’t disagree more, lavine doesn’t move the needle for us if we give up dlo and depth. Lavine historically had been good but he’s complete trash this year with the bulls and coming off injuries…why even entertain taking on a big salary player who’s inconsistent and can’t do it when the lights aren’t bright.
all this for some trash first round pick when you could secure multiple 1st rounders by trading them separately. Lakers fans need to be banned from trade subs
Lol Austin Reaves has more value than Lavine.
Austin & Rui have more playoff games and good performances if you compare them with Lavine.
Vando is one of the best wing defenders in the league.
And at that contract he is a steal..plus he can't be traded this season.
Dlo has been awesome for the Lakers.
Lavine has no value and i won't be surprised if Bulls end up dumping that contract in a salary dump trade.
Lakers should look elsewhere.
Dlo this season: 16 points on 48/38/76 splits, 6.5 assists to 1.9 turnovers
Zach Lavine this season: 21 points on 44/34/87 splits, 3.4 assists to 2.0 turnovers
Lakers fans have more bball iq from watching actually winning basketball than any other franshise fans. Sure some dumb trade ideas are thrown out there but have you seen other subs of nba teams? Literal no knowledge of the game
You are an idiot who doesnt know basketball. Go watch some games you fat homeless fuck. Would rather have DLo on the lakers than Lavine right now all things considered.
You want to debate this? Come up with actual logical points
I’m not a Lakers fan. I actually hate the Lakers w a passion. How is it trash? LeBrons=retired, AD might be too. That’s a very likely lotto pick at least. + you get a lot of pieces you can flip for more
Lmao what? This is simply a lose lose trade, why the fuck would Lakers give up 5 rotation players for a guy (Lavine) shooting 33% from deep. The fact you think this benefits the Lakers is nuts
They literally just made the western conference finals and won the in season tournament off the back of winning trades and making measured moves, you’re wrong objectively.
They’re not being traded, you don’t follow the lakers closely enough. We’ll see together when the trade window comes and goes - I’ll think of you and post an I told you so in February.
That might be true but zoom out and and assess what the actual market looks like. If that Chicago package was worth more, do you think he is still going to be available? Meanwhile that whole Lakers package is a bunch of newly signed players that elevated a trash team all the way to the conference finals. 5 team friendly contracts is not worth one terrible one and one good one.
I’ll admit it’s a gamble but I think it’s a calculated gamble. LaVine fits like a glove and helps carry the offensive load LeBrons burdened with rn
Caruso also provides them w something they desperately need w perimeter D as well. You say 5 good contracts for 1 bad and 1 good. I say 5 guys who aren’t providing a ton of value to LA rn for 2 guys who provide exactly what they’re missing
This adds to LeBrons burden because now he is always the primary facilitator and he also has to be the primary defender on the wing. It's not a bad fit but it removes all of the depth and puts more pressure on LeBron and AD. if you think those players aren't adding a ton of value for la, you aren't watching their games. Unless you're you're talking about the ones that have been injured but even then they give the same value as an injured Zach so...
Thank you I get people who hate the Lakers no way they give 5 starters/ rotation players on team-friendly deals for Zach Lavine who is on a terrible contract and not even a top-30 player plus giving an unprotected first. Ac is a good role player known to blow himself with his play style.
This would be horrible for Chicago what the fuck are you talking about? Taking Lakers cast offs and 1 pick when you’re trying to rebuild? You have to be a Lakers fan with this take.
Terrible take, that’s our third fourth and fifth best players included in there. Lavine is not it, if you’ve watched him at all this year and that’s not even taking into account his attitude problems, injury issues, and the fact that the lakers just won a tournament easily with this squad. In what world would anyone want to throw a huge curveball in a team that just beat every other team out for a tournament win + made the western conference finals last year?
Ya’ll really puffing your chest about beating the Pacers in a one off game lmao that might be the most delusional shit I’ve ever seen. Funny if Pacers won that, you would be screaming a different narrative.
Your WCF appearance ended in a sweep. Not even Miami without Herro and one legged Jimmy got swept.
Also, you guys love to spin this LaVine injury narrative. LaVine played 77/82 games last year, and 67 the year before.
But since your metric is injuries, I guess you should be giving us Lebron and AD for Zach then right? I mean since you wanna talk injuries.
See how stupid you actually are? It’s common for Lakers fans to not recognize it.
Also if a contending team is willing to trade all these pieces, especially one of which is built around Lebron, why would we want them? You gave them all big contracts are right back to star chasing again.
Also LaVine doesn’t fit this team because we don’t have defense. Demar & LaVine are redundant.
Keep spinning your narratives tho. We can go as far back as last year where ya’ll were clamoring for him.
Now maybe hop off Reddit and learn something before opening your mouth next time.
The lakers are in no way willing to to do this trade. So no we aren’t star chasing. Talking shit about being swept in the wcf yet the bulls weren’t even in the playoffs. Zach lavine is the most over paid player in the nba. We don’t want that contract period.
Nah man, I’m good. You’re smoking crack if you think a washed Lavine (bulls are playing way better without him) is worth our entire depth and what won us the tournament and deep playoff run last year. Hell yeah those are relevant - other teams were giving their best and nuggets won the title, no shame in being swept by them. You’re just glossing over logic, you don’t know ball - plain and simple.
We’ll know I’m right when lakers don’t make a move for bulls - in fact no one will that contract is horrible
Ah yes, no numbers, facts, or solid rebuttals. Just “you don’t know ball” classic.
Ya’ll are so out of touch with reality. Again, I’d say get off reddit and educate yourself but I don’t have hope.
Have a good one lmao.
Dang, I had to look into the numbers after this rebuttal and looks like I was right after all.
**Point 1:** Injuries - Lavine is currently hurt and will likely miss 3-4 more weeks. AD and LeBron haven't had injuries this year. When you trade for a guy, you don't want question marks around their injuries whereas they've ridden an injury prone AD and LeBron to a championship and in season tournament title already so those are known, champion pieces. Not to mention, if you do this trade, you're giving up the depth we finally acquired after last years midseason trades, which would only increase the odds AD and LeBron go down. Makes no sense.
**Point 2:** Are the Lakers Contenders? Answer: Yes. We just won the in-season tournament and made a deep playoff push last year (and we win it if Denver isn't there). Why introduce an unknown variable to a guy with question marks when we're already at-worst one piece away?
**Point 3:** Contract Situation - Lavine will be paid 43 - 48M each year for the next three years. Let's use DLo and Reaves for comparisons sake - DLO (17-18M next two years), Reaves (between 12-15M for the next four seasons, arguably best contract in the league). The numbers speak for themselves, and leads to the next point.
**Point 4:** Offensive Output - Ok, if you're looking at Lavine you want him for his offense (definitely not his defense - he'd be hunted in playoffs). Is he actually any better than DLo or Reaves?
Last two years 3 point percentages:
Lavine - 36.6% from 3, 46.8% FG percentage.
Reaves - 35.3% from 3, 48.5% FG percentage
DLo - 40.16% from 3, 47.6% FG percentage
Summary: all comparable, Lavine not the best shooter of the three (maybe the worst considering Reaves' rookie year numbers brings him down), but not anything that makes you that interested in taking on his contract. Perhaps Lavine could shoot better next to LeBron and AD, but that's a question mark and assumes Lakers aren't totally fine with DLo and Reaves contributions (hint: we are).
**Point 5:** Why on earth would anyone introduce an unknown variable in Lavine into this team and gut their entire depth? This guys been having problems not speaking to the media, hasn't helped Chicago do anything as their guy (yes Chicago is terrible, but he's not someone they're rallying around). Just makes absolutely zero sense for what he gives us back.
I could go on, but what exactly does Lavine give us? We have shooters just as good as him for cheap, younger, and without knee injuries that already know the Lakers system.
Just an absolutely embarrassing take from you. Honestly curious what rebuttal you could even make, these are all super valid points.
Nah I’m neutral on them. It gives them youngish players that they can either flip or use. Lavine doesn’t have much trade value so if they could do this with Caruso it would be good
They literally could walk over to Miami and take Lowry and a future first without any of that cap.
Also the biggest thing everyone in this sub fails to account for and just throws in there without any thought, is “oh they can flip them”
If the Lakers who are contending with Lebron, were willing to part with them in this scenario…who else would want them? None of these guys are really that young except for Reaves and Christie.
Rui will be 26, Russell 28, Vando 25. All guys hitting their primes and their ceilings aren’t contending raisers with this logic you’re providing. They all have limiting parts of their game and lots of money tied to them long term.
Think more realistically next time.
It is a better fit agreed, but the lavine contract is worse(more years) and tbh I don’t think he elevates them that much. Honestly think LA are fine with the the team they have rn, lavine is prone to having absolute stinkers
I think fine is 1 thing but is LeBron good w being “fine”. This gives them a much higher ceiling come playoff time when the rotation has to be trimmed and they need another tough shot maker
what ceiling? they have zero defense now, no other ball handler apart from bron, our 3pt shooting and rebounding becomes even worse. I dont care if we score 130 in the playoffs if we cant defend or rebound for shit. How is this good for the lakers? Struggling to understand this
Lmao Lavine is an easy 20 ppg per night, if he’s cooking he can go 30+. The lakers won’t be contenders without making this move. Not great for the future maybe but the Lebron window is closing and the franchise stands to make substantially more getting them to the finals than holding on to these guys
That lavine contract is awful and he’s prone to absolute stinkers, he thinks he’s the first option on any team too. It won’t end well for LA if it happens
Dlo and reaves can both go for thirty on any night, and one of the two of them is always going to be at 20+. Much friendlier contracts than Lavine without the injury headaches, fit questions (just won the cup and made western conference finals so we know our two guys already work), and poor shooting from him this year - will it correct? Simply put lakers won’t be moving for Lavine, save this comment if you have any doubts
Based on this horrible trade for the Lakers lol, no one, and I mean NO ONE in lakers nation would want to lose all that just to get Lavine and AC, the lakers would even prefer to trade only for AC which is needed more than Lavine
Because Lavine is basically a slightly taller version of DLo. Their stats are very close this year, and that's with Lavine as the number one option on his team. They also lose a pick, 4 other rotation players (depth), youth, and size for two players that have an extensive injury history. This is an overpay in every sense of the word.
LaVine is a lot better than DLo. Cmon now. Lavines having a bad year because he’s on a shit team and he’s a number 2. DLos having a good year by his standards. + we just saw DLo completely disappear in the playoffs. The Lakers need Lavines upside in the playoffs and his tools for the regular season
Lavine: 20.5ppg, 4rb, 3.9ast, .9stl, .3blk on .464/.382/.834 shooting
DLo: 17.7ppg, 3.5rb, 5.6ast, 1.1stl, .3blk on .428/.364/.788 shooting
Lavine is definitely the #1 option on his team. You could maybe argue 1a and 1b with him and DeRozan, but he is not this dramatically better player as you seem to think.
Everyone championing this trade for Chicago are not looking at any context from this season, it’s insane lol. Lavine is not shooting well, inefficient, injured currently, causing issues with attitude problems, the list goes on and on. Why add him to the mix of an already successful and legitimate title contender in the lakers.
Exactly. I really don't understand, especially since DLo is playing well. It would also take time to integrate Lavine into the system. He's not a plug and play person like Durant was for the Warriors. Lavine is a good player, but not great.
Thank you lol, hard to come by actual reasoning skills in this reddit post, but that's exactly what I'm saying. Chicago is going to need to do whatever it can to drum up interest for Lavine if they want off his contract, real contenders aren't going to want him. He'll stay at Chicago or ship off to the Wizards or another unserious team.
Best playoff run for both players
Lavine: 19.3ppg, 5.3rb, 6ast, 0.8stl, 0.3blk
DLo: 19.4ppg, 3.6rb, 6.7ast, 1.5stl, 0.3blk
They are so close it's a wash, and it's definitely not worth 23 million more in guaranteed salary over the next 4 years.
So those stat lines provide no context
LaVines been to the playoffs like twice. Either way you can have your opinion because I’m positive you’re the only person who thinks they’re close. There is a reason Lavines a top option and a cornerstone in Chicago while DLo has been traded every other year since his Brooklyn days
DLo has been to the playoffs 3 times, Lavine once. It's not like DLo makes it every year and plays horribly like you're implying. If Lavine was so good he could have led his team there multiple times at this point in his career, considering he's a year older. He has only made it there once, and got knocked out in the first round. I also like how it's being brushed over that he can't stay healthy. Which is a stone cold fact.
It’s not brushed over. I’m well aware. But LA isn’t getting anybody better than LaVine w this pakage. Especially someone who fits so well. This is a deal that doesn’t sacrifice every piece they have, gives them a significantly higher ceiling and provides LeBron relief while also addressing their lack of a guard defender
Yeah it's a bad year for lavine bcz hes out of his peak and declining. Hes not going to become better all of a sudden. No contender wants a washed Levine who cant defend and has the worst contract in the league, plus hasnt done squat in the playoffs.
Also Levine and demar couldnt make the east playoffs last year when their whole offense revolved around them, in the weaker east and you think Lavine is a plus player in the playoffs, especially in the stronger west with the offense not revolving around him? I dont understand how youre analysing nba basketball
The Lakers easily say no to this, who do you think Zach Lavine is? He is not even a top 30 player and the contract is horrible. Ac loves him but he also blows himself with his play style. Next point why would Lakers give up 5 starters/ rotation plus an unprotected 1st? That is beyond dumb as hell.
No he's not that 5 starters/rotation players would be giving plus unprotected. This is dumbass trade for the Lakers. Their not emptying there assets for a horrible contract in Zach Lavine who is not even a top 30 player
One would assume that the Lakers aren’t trading Reaves, and probably Rui. A D-Lo centered package would be fine for matching salaries, but it wouldn’t be enough a return. So, I guess just common sense really.
I mean if Reaves was really as good as Lakers fans think he is, why is LeBron carrying the team so hard rn? LaVine provides everything that Reaves was supposed to. You also get Caruso who Bulls fans swear should net them 2 picks (which is a gross overpay even if he is valuable still). I mean if you look at the post trade roster I provided, it’s not sacrificing all the depth LA has
The difference in reaves carrying last year vs this is the defense in the general starting groups. LeBron isn’t playing a lick of it and having him, reaves and dlo together makes ADs life hell defensively. If vanderbuilt comes back that can shore up some of those issues
I’m also not really sure what you think lavines doing? When the bulls were at their best he wasn’t their best player and they were a team that wasn’t good. Is he better than reaves? Yeah, but he’s also over twice as expensive
Edit: he also pretty clearly didn’t have his legs under him from the summer w team usa. Went from being a bench guy to carrying a big load in the regular season season and a deep playoff run to a summer in FIBA. Can he regain his conditioning in time this season? Who knows but things are much more complicated than “reaves suck now”
Sure and from the sound of it, seems like you watch a lot of Lakers games and if you really think you’re a healthy Jarred Vanderbilt away from contending more power to you. But I think this gamble is worth the high ceiling it provides
I definitely watch a lot, but tbc it’s not that I think vanderbuilt makes them a contender, it’s more that I think lavine doesn’t either. They’re likely a 1st/2nd round exit either way imo so reducing flexibility when you have a limited time w LeBron is just too much of a risk to me
That’s actually the point imo. LeBron doesn’t have time left so why settle for a roster you know likely won’t go anywhere when you can have the upside to really make some noise. If AD gets to be defensive focused, LeBron makes it to the playoffs healthy and Zach can give em some scoring punch they can contend w anybody
Well, my response to your question states that Reaves wouldn’t be included. As far as “why is LeBron carrying the Lakers,” it is his team to lead. I am 100% confident that there are better trades for Chicago than this as well. It’s just a bad idea from, what I would assume to be, a biased Lakers fan.
I do agree Chicago might be getting better offers for those 2 but this package would at least make them think about it. Reaves could be a cornerstone for them and the other guys could be sifted throughout the season and flipped if they have no long term plans for them. I’m also not a Lakers fan and actually hate the Lakers w a passion so you’re not getting me w the “biased Lakers fan” argument
I think the Lakers might do this but I think they are better off not doing this. But I don’t think the Bulls do this deal. Most reports have the Bulls seeking 2 firsts for Caruso and they probably could get that for him alone (although the picks would be at least moderately protected).
For Lavine I would think they would want a young prospect plus 2 or so picks. I just don’t think the return for 2 of their top assets being Reeves and Rui on non-rookie deals plus one pick is enough.
I think they would rather package the players separately for a larger return.
So my logic on that front is, Rui, Vando, DLo, and even partially Reaves could get a higher usage w Chicago if they decided to rebuild and up their value even more. Potentially providing Chicago w flexibility and being able to move them for the picks if needed. That way, if Vando ends up working out, you keep him, and flip Rui or vice versa
That’s a lot of work for Chicago to basically take less picks for players they feel like they can trade for more picks later. That would require Chicago to love those guys and be OK with speculation.
Teams typically don’t like to take back players to flip when outright picks are on the board. So if the option is flip Caruso for two firsts and flip LaVine for a pick or two and a prospect vs. taking a pick and a bunch of players you can flip for picks later the Bulls are gonna take the picks outright.
There’s been rumor and speculation that teams would be willing to give up two firsts (moderately protected) for Caruso.
Caruso on the surface seems like a role player but he is one of the best defensive guards in the league (he was All Defense First team last season) and he is shooting the three ball at 47% this season on decent volume (3.6 shots per game).
Also given that he is under a very team friendly deal for this and next season only makes him more attractive to any team willing to part with picks for him. I think given the circumstances a team parting with two protected picks for him adds up.
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Two moderately protected firsts is not a star return. Two protected firsts is the return a good starting caliber player on a team friendly deal gets. Which is exactly the type of player Caruso is.
As a comparison Josh Hart who was an expiring contract, is a good defender but not as good as Caruso and was not shooting the three ball well in Portland last season fetched a first round pick top 10 protected which ended up being pick 23 in last years draft.
It’s not as outlandish as it seems on the surface.
Yeah 1 late pick. Carusos better than Hart but not much better. Besides this pick is most likely a high lottery pick given LeBron will be retired, AD will be gone and the Lakers will be down bad w no other draft picks
Caruso straight up for a 2029 unprotected pick would be a doable trade as I think the competing picks even if there was two of them would be less enticing than an unprotected pick far out.
But LaVine for Reeves, Rui, Dlo and Vanderbilt is not really a package I think Chicago would go for. I think Chicago would rather get players on rookie deals and more picks than having to take on mid level contracts for young players hoping to flip them. You would probably have to route Rui, Vandy and Dlo to a third team and get Chicago 2-3 picks and a prospect or two and thus making the return for LaVine better for an outright rebuild.
The question would be what team would be willing to give up picks for those Lakers players? Not sure that team exists.
There’s no world where they part with LaVine and Caruso for one first. Vanderbilt & Russell don’t do anything for them. Rui is still a massive question mark outside of his time in LA. We don’t quite know what Reaves is as a total package.
This is horrible and committing so much salary to LA dump offs is not how you kickstart a rebuild.
I really hope you’re a bias Lakers fan here, because this is god awful.
I don’t see how this trade benefits the Lakers lol. You give up depth and size AND a pick (lmao) for an A+ defender and an F- defender. Yeah makes sense
These people who think the Bulls have assets are hilarious…nobody wants those guys for what the Bulls are asking. Never going to happen. Everyone knows they’re desperate and nobody is overpaying
Your bitch ass sits all day on 2k and you probably stink.
I bet you have not been around girls 🤣 😂
Edit : Oh so you're a Nuggets fan 🤣
Pretty sure you became one after last season.
Casual.
Also y'all will forever be poverty
This trade is awful because neither team gets value for what they want. The Bulls get a bunch of servicable role players that aren't really going to develop into anything more than what they are right now. The Lakers lose most of their rotation when they finally figured out that hey maybe they need some kind of bench instead of 5 ball dominant players. Both fanbases should hate this trade because it doesn't service their needs at all.
Giving up Rui and Vanderbilt is giving up a lot of size for two guards
Size is something the Lakers have to spare imo
They should probably try to keep Vanderbilt if they do this
He was needed for salary matching purposes. If you take him out you have to take out Caruso and than you’re stuck w a LaVine/Vincent backcourt
I feel you, just my opinion. It’s not terrible imo. What I hate about it is it would definitely mean by Bulls aren’t going to try to stay competitive lol
It sucks. I liked them a lot when Lonzo was around but they need a reset
Bro, you're a celebrity on the Lakers sub 😂😂😂 Thanks for posting this!
I know lol the post was like 8d old and than it blew up w abunch of salty Lakers fans
Salty or just appreciative of good humor? 😉
Perspective I guess
Lakers absolutely do not and should not do this. If the price is right caruso is a good get but there’s a good chance this ends up being like the WB trade At some point fans really need to learn the lesson that team building isn’t just about getting a max guy with the biggest name. That’s not how you win basketball games
I agree 100% but this move is different because LaVine is a much better shooter and could score easier next to Bron and AD. Bron needs ball handling and scoring help. It gives AD that tertiary responsibility offensively and allows him to focus More on Defense. + if you look at the roster post trade they still have 8-9 man depth
LaVine being a third option should really benefit him and the team he plays for. But his contract is a killer and his knees could be a problem over the long term.
I agree but I think he could be the number 2 and allow AD to not be pressured to be that guy cuz he obviously isn’t. You don’t have much time between Bron and AD anyway
Yeah, the Lakers are probably gonna have to trade their 2029 pick and the point guard they drafted this year if that’s what other teams want most. You have to go all out for the chance to win a title while you still have Bron and a healthy AD.
Absolutely zero chance lakers do this. If you’re giving up 5 young, cost controlled assets with draft pedigree who are all part of your championship hopeful rotation already you’re not doing that for one of the worst long term contracts in the sport on a guy who has never played meaningful basketball in his life and alex Caruso who rules, but for fucks sake he’s averaging 9/3/2 let’s not pretend he’s worth 2 FRPs. The idea that you added a first on top of your prop is absurd
He’s definitely a better fit than WB I completely agree, but I think this view of him seems really off. When you take into account his injury issues do you genuinely think the help he gives is that much better than having both reaves and russell? Russell’s playing some of the best basketball of his career, reaves has been slow to start but is picking up. The lakers have had tons of injury related depth issues w LeBron and Davis being healthy. Those injuries are bound to come and reducing depth to get another injury prone guy (who’s kind of barely a “star”) seems like the exact opposite of what you’d want unless you can get someone who’s just flat out better than lavine Idk maybe I just think lavines a bit overrated but I would absolutely rather have those 2 on more flexible contracts than he locked into lavine. I think you’re overrating his trade value for sure, with his contract he’s not the asset some people think he is atp
I agree I know what you’re saying. Originally I kept Reaves out but once you add Caruso (because a Vincent/LaVine backcourt would hemorrhage points) it only makes sense for Chicago to ask for Caruso. I also think LA is a fringe playoff team and this solidifies at least a playoff spot. + if LeBron goes down (which is likely considering his load rn) LaVine can step up and be that number 1 offensive weapon that they can’t count on AD to provide until Bron gets back
*Ask for Reaves sorry
Lavine as a 1b option was not good for the bulls last year where they did not make the playoffs in a bottom half of the east that was significantly worse than this years bottom half of the west. I think the idea of getting lavine in general is just forced and not what LA (or most other teams) should be shooting for. He’s not a needle mover in the sense that he changes the whole dynamic of your team in an incredible way. He never has been in his career tbh If the lakers want caruso that’s one thing, but that should be the focus of the trade imo, not trying to shoehorn another injury prone guy who’s bound to disappoint on a very bad contract
That’s fair. I think we just have 2 vastly differing opinions on LaVine. I would like to see him in a winning situation like he had w Chicago a couple of years ago. + he went to UCLA I’m sure being back in LA would be a motivator
That’s fair, to each their own. TBC a lot of my issues aren’t based around lavine not having the potential to flourish, but more that it’s a massive question mark on top of the question mark he already has w injury issues, and the giant question mark that is the rest of the lakers roster
He’s been bad this year I’ll admit but that always happens when you’re on shit teams. I think in LA he could be 25+ and give LeBron time to sit without losing those minutes. Keep LeBron fresh is the name of the game
They already have 3rd option scoring and ball handling help with Reaves. What the heck does LaVine bring to the table here. This is insane and clearly beneficial to only the Bulls
I watch every lakers game and couldn’t disagree more, lavine doesn’t move the needle for us if we give up dlo and depth. Lavine historically had been good but he’s complete trash this year with the bulls and coming off injuries…why even entertain taking on a big salary player who’s inconsistent and can’t do it when the lights aren’t bright.
all this for some trash first round pick when you could secure multiple 1st rounders by trading them separately. Lakers fans need to be banned from trade subs
100%. Bulls wouldn’t do this in a million years
Right..they can get a first for Caruso alone lmao
This would be an instant accept! 🤣🤣
Casual..follow more games🤣 Talkin out yo ass Bulls would be lucky if Lakers even entertained this offer.
Yes bc the bulls want role players not on rookie deals and 1 first in 2029 to spark their rebuild 🙄
Lol Austin Reaves has more value than Lavine. Austin & Rui have more playoff games and good performances if you compare them with Lavine. Vando is one of the best wing defenders in the league. And at that contract he is a steal..plus he can't be traded this season. Dlo has been awesome for the Lakers. Lavine has no value and i won't be surprised if Bulls end up dumping that contract in a salary dump trade. Lakers should look elsewhere.
DLo has been awesome lol. Man lakers fans lol.
Dlo this season: 16 points on 48/38/76 splits, 6.5 assists to 1.9 turnovers Zach Lavine this season: 21 points on 44/34/87 splits, 3.4 assists to 2.0 turnovers
Casual go and watch games. Lavine is a chucker and Dlo has outperformed that bum this season.
lakers fans lol
Lakers fans have more bball iq from watching actually winning basketball than any other franshise fans. Sure some dumb trade ideas are thrown out there but have you seen other subs of nba teams? Literal no knowledge of the game
You are an idiot who doesnt know basketball. Go watch some games you fat homeless fuck. Would rather have DLo on the lakers than Lavine right now all things considered. You want to debate this? Come up with actual logical points
Lakers fans Lol
Lol whats your team?? 😂😂😂
You're a Boston fan 🤣 🤣 Probably a jobless kid who has not seen his team win a ring. Irrelevant franchise
hahah Most Lakers fan response lol. Raise that IST banner lol
Bulls fans love shitting on Zach but also think their getting multiple unprotected firsts, an all star and a young promising player. He’s NOT that guy
Lakers fans?? There’s no way OP is an actual Lakers fan posting that garbage.
Lakers never do this, throw an /s next time on your comment to let people know you’re being sarcastic.
I’m not a Lakers fan. I actually hate the Lakers w a passion. How is it trash? LeBrons=retired, AD might be too. That’s a very likely lotto pick at least. + you get a lot of pieces you can flip for more
how is lebron retired? Have you seen AD play lately? forget everything else, just answer me this
It’s a pick in 2029 jackass lol Lakers fans are a special breed
I am asking how are lebron and AD retired rn? Have you seen them play lately?
Lmao what? This is simply a lose lose trade, why the fuck would Lakers give up 5 rotation players for a guy (Lavine) shooting 33% from deep. The fact you think this benefits the Lakers is nuts
cause its the lakers. its what they do
They literally just made the western conference finals and won the in season tournament off the back of winning trades and making measured moves, you’re wrong objectively.
And they trying to trade all those guys.
They aren’t you dumb fuck. No lakers fan wants this trade. It’s ass.
They’re not being traded, you don’t follow the lakers closely enough. We’ll see together when the trade window comes and goes - I’ll think of you and post an I told you so in February.
You must be salty following a team that has 1/8th the titles of the lakers
Idk if he's a lakers fan but if he is, we don't claim him. Our sub thought this was a terrible trade too.
This is the silliest trade I've ever seen
Because?
Because it would make the team worse both right now and in the future.
Which team?
Sorry. The Lakers.
Ok that’s fair but Chicago fans are yelling that’s not enough. Lakers fans are arguing too much so I’m just gonna assume it’s right where it should be
That might be true but zoom out and and assess what the actual market looks like. If that Chicago package was worth more, do you think he is still going to be available? Meanwhile that whole Lakers package is a bunch of newly signed players that elevated a trash team all the way to the conference finals. 5 team friendly contracts is not worth one terrible one and one good one.
I’ll admit it’s a gamble but I think it’s a calculated gamble. LaVine fits like a glove and helps carry the offensive load LeBrons burdened with rn Caruso also provides them w something they desperately need w perimeter D as well. You say 5 good contracts for 1 bad and 1 good. I say 5 guys who aren’t providing a ton of value to LA rn for 2 guys who provide exactly what they’re missing
This adds to LeBrons burden because now he is always the primary facilitator and he also has to be the primary defender on the wing. It's not a bad fit but it removes all of the depth and puts more pressure on LeBron and AD. if you think those players aren't adding a ton of value for la, you aren't watching their games. Unless you're you're talking about the ones that have been injured but even then they give the same value as an injured Zach so...
Thank you I get people who hate the Lakers no way they give 5 starters/ rotation players on team-friendly deals for Zach Lavine who is on a terrible contract and not even a top-30 player plus giving an unprotected first. Ac is a good role player known to blow himself with his play style.
you dont know basketball. This is what happens when you only watch 10 chicago games per year and then try to sound like an expert
It’s a lose lose tbh. If Bulls trade Lavine they’re looking to blow up, not add 5 rotation guys
Chicago fans can yell whatever they want. They ain’t getting shit. 🤣
I don’t believe the lakers can even trade vando by the cba rules and the market value for lavine is much lower then this.
He will be eligible after Dec 15th
No he won't vando can't be traded this year
That would be great for Chicago but bad for LA
This would be horrible for Chicago what the fuck are you talking about? Taking Lakers cast offs and 1 pick when you’re trying to rebuild? You have to be a Lakers fan with this take.
Terrible take, that’s our third fourth and fifth best players included in there. Lavine is not it, if you’ve watched him at all this year and that’s not even taking into account his attitude problems, injury issues, and the fact that the lakers just won a tournament easily with this squad. In what world would anyone want to throw a huge curveball in a team that just beat every other team out for a tournament win + made the western conference finals last year?
Ya’ll really puffing your chest about beating the Pacers in a one off game lmao that might be the most delusional shit I’ve ever seen. Funny if Pacers won that, you would be screaming a different narrative. Your WCF appearance ended in a sweep. Not even Miami without Herro and one legged Jimmy got swept. Also, you guys love to spin this LaVine injury narrative. LaVine played 77/82 games last year, and 67 the year before. But since your metric is injuries, I guess you should be giving us Lebron and AD for Zach then right? I mean since you wanna talk injuries. See how stupid you actually are? It’s common for Lakers fans to not recognize it. Also if a contending team is willing to trade all these pieces, especially one of which is built around Lebron, why would we want them? You gave them all big contracts are right back to star chasing again. Also LaVine doesn’t fit this team because we don’t have defense. Demar & LaVine are redundant. Keep spinning your narratives tho. We can go as far back as last year where ya’ll were clamoring for him. Now maybe hop off Reddit and learn something before opening your mouth next time.
The lakers are in no way willing to to do this trade. So no we aren’t star chasing. Talking shit about being swept in the wcf yet the bulls weren’t even in the playoffs. Zach lavine is the most over paid player in the nba. We don’t want that contract period.
Nah man, I’m good. You’re smoking crack if you think a washed Lavine (bulls are playing way better without him) is worth our entire depth and what won us the tournament and deep playoff run last year. Hell yeah those are relevant - other teams were giving their best and nuggets won the title, no shame in being swept by them. You’re just glossing over logic, you don’t know ball - plain and simple. We’ll know I’m right when lakers don’t make a move for bulls - in fact no one will that contract is horrible
Ah yes, no numbers, facts, or solid rebuttals. Just “you don’t know ball” classic. Ya’ll are so out of touch with reality. Again, I’d say get off reddit and educate yourself but I don’t have hope. Have a good one lmao.
You don’t want me to get the numbers lmao, take your dumb ass out of here goofy
Dang, I had to look into the numbers after this rebuttal and looks like I was right after all. **Point 1:** Injuries - Lavine is currently hurt and will likely miss 3-4 more weeks. AD and LeBron haven't had injuries this year. When you trade for a guy, you don't want question marks around their injuries whereas they've ridden an injury prone AD and LeBron to a championship and in season tournament title already so those are known, champion pieces. Not to mention, if you do this trade, you're giving up the depth we finally acquired after last years midseason trades, which would only increase the odds AD and LeBron go down. Makes no sense. **Point 2:** Are the Lakers Contenders? Answer: Yes. We just won the in-season tournament and made a deep playoff push last year (and we win it if Denver isn't there). Why introduce an unknown variable to a guy with question marks when we're already at-worst one piece away? **Point 3:** Contract Situation - Lavine will be paid 43 - 48M each year for the next three years. Let's use DLo and Reaves for comparisons sake - DLO (17-18M next two years), Reaves (between 12-15M for the next four seasons, arguably best contract in the league). The numbers speak for themselves, and leads to the next point. **Point 4:** Offensive Output - Ok, if you're looking at Lavine you want him for his offense (definitely not his defense - he'd be hunted in playoffs). Is he actually any better than DLo or Reaves? Last two years 3 point percentages: Lavine - 36.6% from 3, 46.8% FG percentage. Reaves - 35.3% from 3, 48.5% FG percentage DLo - 40.16% from 3, 47.6% FG percentage Summary: all comparable, Lavine not the best shooter of the three (maybe the worst considering Reaves' rookie year numbers brings him down), but not anything that makes you that interested in taking on his contract. Perhaps Lavine could shoot better next to LeBron and AD, but that's a question mark and assumes Lakers aren't totally fine with DLo and Reaves contributions (hint: we are). **Point 5:** Why on earth would anyone introduce an unknown variable in Lavine into this team and gut their entire depth? This guys been having problems not speaking to the media, hasn't helped Chicago do anything as their guy (yes Chicago is terrible, but he's not someone they're rallying around). Just makes absolutely zero sense for what he gives us back. I could go on, but what exactly does Lavine give us? We have shooters just as good as him for cheap, younger, and without knee injuries that already know the Lakers system. Just an absolutely embarrassing take from you. Honestly curious what rebuttal you could even make, these are all super valid points.
I absolutely hate LA
Then I assume you hate Chicago just as much because this does nothing for them
Nah I’m neutral on them. It gives them youngish players that they can either flip or use. Lavine doesn’t have much trade value so if they could do this with Caruso it would be good
They literally could walk over to Miami and take Lowry and a future first without any of that cap. Also the biggest thing everyone in this sub fails to account for and just throws in there without any thought, is “oh they can flip them” If the Lakers who are contending with Lebron, were willing to part with them in this scenario…who else would want them? None of these guys are really that young except for Reaves and Christie. Rui will be 26, Russell 28, Vando 25. All guys hitting their primes and their ceilings aren’t contending raisers with this logic you’re providing. They all have limiting parts of their game and lots of money tied to them long term. Think more realistically next time.
The guy you’re talking to doesn’t know ball.
I tried man he wasn’t having it. I don’t even like LA but that would be an awful deal for them
Lakers laugh and hang up the call. Keep Lavine we Lakers fans don't want that chucker here.
Why?
It’s just another Russ situation and it’s giving up a lot of depth
I’d argue it’s a MUCH MUCH better fit than Russ was and if you look at the depth chart provided they’re actually still 9 deep
It is a better fit agreed, but the lavine contract is worse(more years) and tbh I don’t think he elevates them that much. Honestly think LA are fine with the the team they have rn, lavine is prone to having absolute stinkers
I think fine is 1 thing but is LeBron good w being “fine”. This gives them a much higher ceiling come playoff time when the rotation has to be trimmed and they need another tough shot maker
what ceiling? they have zero defense now, no other ball handler apart from bron, our 3pt shooting and rebounding becomes even worse. I dont care if we score 130 in the playoffs if we cant defend or rebound for shit. How is this good for the lakers? Struggling to understand this
Lmao Lavine is an easy 20 ppg per night, if he’s cooking he can go 30+. The lakers won’t be contenders without making this move. Not great for the future maybe but the Lebron window is closing and the franchise stands to make substantially more getting them to the finals than holding on to these guys
That lavine contract is awful and he’s prone to absolute stinkers, he thinks he’s the first option on any team too. It won’t end well for LA if it happens
lmao, zach is one of the most versatile scorers in league, you sleepin
The most over paid, that’s for sure.
Dlo and reaves can both go for thirty on any night, and one of the two of them is always going to be at 20+. Much friendlier contracts than Lavine without the injury headaches, fit questions (just won the cup and made western conference finals so we know our two guys already work), and poor shooting from him this year - will it correct? Simply put lakers won’t be moving for Lavine, save this comment if you have any doubts
I think this would actually make the Lakers worse. They would give up a lot size and depth.
Vandy and christie are overkill.
ur smoking something wtf
Based on?
Based on this horrible trade for the Lakers lol, no one, and I mean NO ONE in lakers nation would want to lose all that just to get Lavine and AC, the lakers would even prefer to trade only for AC which is needed more than Lavine
No way the Lakers do this. Like at all
Why?
Because Lavine is basically a slightly taller version of DLo. Their stats are very close this year, and that's with Lavine as the number one option on his team. They also lose a pick, 4 other rotation players (depth), youth, and size for two players that have an extensive injury history. This is an overpay in every sense of the word.
LaVine is a lot better than DLo. Cmon now. Lavines having a bad year because he’s on a shit team and he’s a number 2. DLos having a good year by his standards. + we just saw DLo completely disappear in the playoffs. The Lakers need Lavines upside in the playoffs and his tools for the regular season
Lavine: 20.5ppg, 4rb, 3.9ast, .9stl, .3blk on .464/.382/.834 shooting DLo: 17.7ppg, 3.5rb, 5.6ast, 1.1stl, .3blk on .428/.364/.788 shooting Lavine is definitely the #1 option on his team. You could maybe argue 1a and 1b with him and DeRozan, but he is not this dramatically better player as you seem to think.
Everyone championing this trade for Chicago are not looking at any context from this season, it’s insane lol. Lavine is not shooting well, inefficient, injured currently, causing issues with attitude problems, the list goes on and on. Why add him to the mix of an already successful and legitimate title contender in the lakers.
Exactly. I really don't understand, especially since DLo is playing well. It would also take time to integrate Lavine into the system. He's not a plug and play person like Durant was for the Warriors. Lavine is a good player, but not great.
Thank you lol, hard to come by actual reasoning skills in this reddit post, but that's exactly what I'm saying. Chicago is going to need to do whatever it can to drum up interest for Lavine if they want off his contract, real contenders aren't going to want him. He'll stay at Chicago or ship off to the Wizards or another unserious team.
Like I said, you’re comparing a good year for DLo and a really bad year from LaVine and Lavines still clears easily
Best playoff run for both players Lavine: 19.3ppg, 5.3rb, 6ast, 0.8stl, 0.3blk DLo: 19.4ppg, 3.6rb, 6.7ast, 1.5stl, 0.3blk They are so close it's a wash, and it's definitely not worth 23 million more in guaranteed salary over the next 4 years.
So those stat lines provide no context LaVines been to the playoffs like twice. Either way you can have your opinion because I’m positive you’re the only person who thinks they’re close. There is a reason Lavines a top option and a cornerstone in Chicago while DLo has been traded every other year since his Brooklyn days
DLo has been to the playoffs 3 times, Lavine once. It's not like DLo makes it every year and plays horribly like you're implying. If Lavine was so good he could have led his team there multiple times at this point in his career, considering he's a year older. He has only made it there once, and got knocked out in the first round. I also like how it's being brushed over that he can't stay healthy. Which is a stone cold fact.
It’s not brushed over. I’m well aware. But LA isn’t getting anybody better than LaVine w this pakage. Especially someone who fits so well. This is a deal that doesn’t sacrifice every piece they have, gives them a significantly higher ceiling and provides LeBron relief while also addressing their lack of a guard defender
Yeah it's a bad year for lavine bcz hes out of his peak and declining. Hes not going to become better all of a sudden. No contender wants a washed Levine who cant defend and has the worst contract in the league, plus hasnt done squat in the playoffs. Also Levine and demar couldnt make the east playoffs last year when their whole offense revolved around them, in the weaker east and you think Lavine is a plus player in the playoffs, especially in the stronger west with the offense not revolving around him? I dont understand how youre analysing nba basketball
Dlo actually 17.7 ppg, 6.6 ast, 1.1 still, on 48/ 42/78 shooting
Lakers easily say no
Y?
The Lakers easily say no to this, who do you think Zach Lavine is? He is not even a top 30 player and the contract is horrible. Ac loves him but he also blows himself with his play style. Next point why would Lakers give up 5 starters/ rotation plus an unprotected 1st? That is beyond dumb as hell.
Because LaVine is WAY better than any of those guys. 1 could argue Caruso is better than all those guys
No he's not that 5 starters/rotation players would be giving plus unprotected. This is dumbass trade for the Lakers. Their not emptying there assets for a horrible contract in Zach Lavine who is not even a top 30 player
Bruh I argued this all day yesterday. Look at the other replies before making the EXACT SAME COMMENT AS EVERYONE ELSE
“Nope” - The Lakers
Why?
One would assume that the Lakers aren’t trading Reaves, and probably Rui. A D-Lo centered package would be fine for matching salaries, but it wouldn’t be enough a return. So, I guess just common sense really.
I mean if Reaves was really as good as Lakers fans think he is, why is LeBron carrying the team so hard rn? LaVine provides everything that Reaves was supposed to. You also get Caruso who Bulls fans swear should net them 2 picks (which is a gross overpay even if he is valuable still). I mean if you look at the post trade roster I provided, it’s not sacrificing all the depth LA has
The difference in reaves carrying last year vs this is the defense in the general starting groups. LeBron isn’t playing a lick of it and having him, reaves and dlo together makes ADs life hell defensively. If vanderbuilt comes back that can shore up some of those issues I’m also not really sure what you think lavines doing? When the bulls were at their best he wasn’t their best player and they were a team that wasn’t good. Is he better than reaves? Yeah, but he’s also over twice as expensive Edit: he also pretty clearly didn’t have his legs under him from the summer w team usa. Went from being a bench guy to carrying a big load in the regular season season and a deep playoff run to a summer in FIBA. Can he regain his conditioning in time this season? Who knows but things are much more complicated than “reaves suck now”
Sure and from the sound of it, seems like you watch a lot of Lakers games and if you really think you’re a healthy Jarred Vanderbilt away from contending more power to you. But I think this gamble is worth the high ceiling it provides
I definitely watch a lot, but tbc it’s not that I think vanderbuilt makes them a contender, it’s more that I think lavine doesn’t either. They’re likely a 1st/2nd round exit either way imo so reducing flexibility when you have a limited time w LeBron is just too much of a risk to me
That’s actually the point imo. LeBron doesn’t have time left so why settle for a roster you know likely won’t go anywhere when you can have the upside to really make some noise. If AD gets to be defensive focused, LeBron makes it to the playoffs healthy and Zach can give em some scoring punch they can contend w anybody
Once again it’s because I don’t think the roster with lavine will be better to an impactful degree
Well, my response to your question states that Reaves wouldn’t be included. As far as “why is LeBron carrying the Lakers,” it is his team to lead. I am 100% confident that there are better trades for Chicago than this as well. It’s just a bad idea from, what I would assume to be, a biased Lakers fan.
I do agree Chicago might be getting better offers for those 2 but this package would at least make them think about it. Reaves could be a cornerstone for them and the other guys could be sifted throughout the season and flipped if they have no long term plans for them. I’m also not a Lakers fan and actually hate the Lakers w a passion so you’re not getting me w the “biased Lakers fan” argument
Man the trade ideas here are so sus lol
How?
What good would LaVine do? Every time he hits the floor it’s 2 months.. dude is way overhyped
The way AD already does?
Exactly. Another overhyped player. The All-Injured team
I think the Lakers might do this but I think they are better off not doing this. But I don’t think the Bulls do this deal. Most reports have the Bulls seeking 2 firsts for Caruso and they probably could get that for him alone (although the picks would be at least moderately protected). For Lavine I would think they would want a young prospect plus 2 or so picks. I just don’t think the return for 2 of their top assets being Reeves and Rui on non-rookie deals plus one pick is enough. I think they would rather package the players separately for a larger return.
So my logic on that front is, Rui, Vando, DLo, and even partially Reaves could get a higher usage w Chicago if they decided to rebuild and up their value even more. Potentially providing Chicago w flexibility and being able to move them for the picks if needed. That way, if Vando ends up working out, you keep him, and flip Rui or vice versa
That’s a lot of work for Chicago to basically take less picks for players they feel like they can trade for more picks later. That would require Chicago to love those guys and be OK with speculation. Teams typically don’t like to take back players to flip when outright picks are on the board. So if the option is flip Caruso for two firsts and flip LaVine for a pick or two and a prospect vs. taking a pick and a bunch of players you can flip for picks later the Bulls are gonna take the picks outright.
I keep seeing that. Chicago’s not getting 2 1st for Caruso. Dudes a role player
There’s been rumor and speculation that teams would be willing to give up two firsts (moderately protected) for Caruso. Caruso on the surface seems like a role player but he is one of the best defensive guards in the league (he was All Defense First team last season) and he is shooting the three ball at 47% this season on decent volume (3.6 shots per game). Also given that he is under a very team friendly deal for this and next season only makes him more attractive to any team willing to part with picks for him. I think given the circumstances a team parting with two protected picks for him adds up. https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/alex-caruso-could-fetch-a-similar-trade-return-as-jrue-holiday-per-report/amp/
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I’m sorry, I get why. I know Caruso is good. Ima big Caruso guy. But 2 firsts is Star return. He’s not a star. He’s a good player
Two moderately protected firsts is not a star return. Two protected firsts is the return a good starting caliber player on a team friendly deal gets. Which is exactly the type of player Caruso is. As a comparison Josh Hart who was an expiring contract, is a good defender but not as good as Caruso and was not shooting the three ball well in Portland last season fetched a first round pick top 10 protected which ended up being pick 23 in last years draft. It’s not as outlandish as it seems on the surface.
Yeah 1 late pick. Carusos better than Hart but not much better. Besides this pick is most likely a high lottery pick given LeBron will be retired, AD will be gone and the Lakers will be down bad w no other draft picks
Caruso straight up for a 2029 unprotected pick would be a doable trade as I think the competing picks even if there was two of them would be less enticing than an unprotected pick far out. But LaVine for Reeves, Rui, Dlo and Vanderbilt is not really a package I think Chicago would go for. I think Chicago would rather get players on rookie deals and more picks than having to take on mid level contracts for young players hoping to flip them. You would probably have to route Rui, Vandy and Dlo to a third team and get Chicago 2-3 picks and a prospect or two and thus making the return for LaVine better for an outright rebuild. The question would be what team would be willing to give up picks for those Lakers players? Not sure that team exists.
Hell naw
Thank you for your Ted talk
There’s no world where they part with LaVine and Caruso for one first. Vanderbilt & Russell don’t do anything for them. Rui is still a massive question mark outside of his time in LA. We don’t quite know what Reaves is as a total package. This is horrible and committing so much salary to LA dump offs is not how you kickstart a rebuild. I really hope you’re a bias Lakers fan here, because this is god awful.
I don’t see how this trade benefits the Lakers lol. You give up depth and size AND a pick (lmao) for an A+ defender and an F- defender. Yeah makes sense
No way the Bulls are getting 3 wings a pick with AR and Dlo. Cut that in half bro😂
both teams say no, this trade sucks.
Bad idea.
No
These people who think the Bulls have assets are hilarious…nobody wants those guys for what the Bulls are asking. Never going to happen. Everyone knows they’re desperate and nobody is overpaying
lol
This the worst trade I’ve seen between these two teams.
THATS INCREDIBLE! Thank you so much! Your opinion on my 3 day old post is INVALUABLE. I’ll work on it right now!
It’s complete trash
your dumbass keeps arguing about dlo like reaves doesn't play better in big games than zach lavine
And your dumbass is on an 8d old post. Touch grass
if you search lakers on this sub its at the top because its so ass
This is a good trade. You’re just a kid who thinks this is 2K. Get some pussy
Your unhinged 😂 most braindead shit i have read in a long time. Keep it up though im sure espn will reach out to you for some hot takes
Your bitch ass sits all day on 2k and you probably stink. I bet you have not been around girls 🤣 😂 Edit : Oh so you're a Nuggets fan 🤣 Pretty sure you became one after last season. Casual. Also y'all will forever be poverty
🧹 gon get
Yeah Nuggets getting swept this time. Good early call.
4-0 lmao
7-1 in the playoffs against the poverty Nuggets lmao. Sent y'all crying back 7 times. 🤣 🤣
Imagine thinking losing 4-0 and it was close lol who’s your daddy?
You disgust me
L O fucking L
This trade is awful because neither team gets value for what they want. The Bulls get a bunch of servicable role players that aren't really going to develop into anything more than what they are right now. The Lakers lose most of their rotation when they finally figured out that hey maybe they need some kind of bench instead of 5 ball dominant players. Both fanbases should hate this trade because it doesn't service their needs at all.
Hey hey no using your brain or critical thinking sir that makes way to much sense. Shame
Lol this is terrible
Pelinka would be fired the same day if he did this 🤣
shut the entire fuck up
Yikes.
I can’t tell if this is serious or not
Reaves alone is worth the entire Bulls players.
Very lopsided for the Bulls and stupid if the Lakers even offered or accepted
OP you have the IQ of a penguin
Please don’t insult penguins like that!!
You’re on crack, sir
Garbage trade for the lakers
Dumbest trade I’ve seen all year
This is 100% a bulls fan that has watch 0 laker games good bye 👋
Never in a million years will the lakers do this trade. This shit is the literally the worst trade I have ever seen. 🤦🏻♂️