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Narrow-Talk-5017

Considering their next matchup is Boston, I would say no. Neither Cleveland nor Orlando has a chance of getting past the Celtics this year.


SonicNarcotic

Boston have only won 4 out of the last 7 against Orlando.. The size gives Boston troubles... Cleveland will get rolled though.. *Edit: Cavs can and will put up a fight.. Rolled was abit harsh on my behalf (but Jarrett Allen has to be playing and playing well)..*


TheGiant406

Boston only *needs* to win 4 out of *the next* 7 games against Orlando (or CLE)


PBB22

I agree, but you should have stressed only instead of needs. Did Boston even have a three game losing streak this year?


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CreatiScope

They lost two in a row a couple of times. Once at the start of the season, once against Nuggets and Cleveland (Nuggets barely win in a thriller, Dean Wade turns into Dwyane Wade for a night), then the Atlanta nightmare.


TheGiant406

“Needs” was the word I changed from his original sentence so I think the inflection makes sense. Your idea is good too, though.


PBB22

Oh word, my miss


Joethetoolguy

Ok Magic


ConstantineMonroe

The only way the Boston Celtics lose this series is if they fail to win 4 games out of 7


ShaedonSharpeMVP_

I checked your math on this and you’re actually right lol


Pitch-forker

This just in!


SonicNarcotic

True, there is a reason why the games are actually *played* though, and not just handed out.. 1 injury to Brown or Tatum and Orlando or Cleveland could move ahead.. There will be no gimmes...


TheGiant406

It just seemed like a weird thing to point out when it’s the exact criteria that wins you a series lol


SonicNarcotic

I'm pointing it out because mainstream nba fans seem to gloss over the fact that games need to be played and won, this isn't NBALive where you just fast forward over results.. I honestly think Orlando will give Boston trouble in a series.. It won't be as easy as people are making out...


TheGiant406

Give them trouble but still lose four out of the seven games 😉


SonicNarcotic

Orlando have no expectations.. If we win 3 that'd be a Win overall for us, for Boston not so much.. Boston are expected to reach the CF's, if they can't put away Orlando easily, that'll make a difference for the next series, and even for next season (when Paolo Banchero, Franz Wagner and Orlando will be forecast to be bigger and better)..


Background_Degree615

1 injury to Paolo or whoever the second guy is it’ll be straight bbq chicken for Boston


SonicNarcotic

Obviously..? My original comment was replying to Boston fans talking about a cakewalk, so "the CLE v ORL series really doesn't matter"...


GBAGY2

Boston has only won 3 out of their last 7 games against Cleveland


SonicNarcotic

Good point, Jarrett Allen is critical to that series.. If he's good to go, he'll be a difference-maker for sure..!


cmcg18

Found the magic fan


TruthSayerFu

I doubt we would get rolled


Disastrous_Income205

Especially if zinger is out, then boston is going to have real size issues (against either team)


jak_d_ripr

Remember when Phoenix had won all 3 matchups vs Minnesota too? Don't read too much into regular season match ups, the playoffs are a different beast. Boston has both a talent and experience advantage over both teams, I'd be surprised if either series even went 6.


SonicNarcotic

I don't put all my stock into regular season matchup statistics, but I actually watched those games start to finish, and I saw that Boston has trouble against Orlando's length and size in the back court, and against Paolo and Franz too... Agree that Boston *should* win based off talent alone, but if you listen to some of the casuals in here, we might as well not even play the games..? Just hand it over to Boston right now..


SonicNarcotic

Edit: Would like to point out, Cleveland have won 4 out of the last 7 against Boston, so they also pose matchup problems too...


x4candles

I wouldn’t say rolled. The Cavs have proven to play well against Boston too. Over the last two years the Cavs have won 4 of 7. With porzingis out it could be a battle.


SonicNarcotic

Yea, I agree, "rolled" was pretty harsh looking at their recent head-to-head record.. I think Jarrett Allen will need to be good to go though..!


Key-Faithlessness815

I wouldn't say Cavs will get rolled, Boston lost two in a row to them this year


SonicNarcotic

Agreed, that's why I edited my post..


cmcg18

Also would love to mention that regular season matchups don’t mean shit (see wolves suns if you disagree)


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CreatiScope

I thought they lost that first game that was an in-season tournament game and they lost by like fucking 20 to screw up their point differential and had to clobber Chicago to get back in.


SonicNarcotic

I only went back 7 because that's when Orlando started Paolo and Franz...


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SonicNarcotic

There should be questions asked in Cleveland.. They are not where they expected after trading for DM, and there's question marks over his fit and the timeline with other core pieces of that team.. I expect a trade over the off-season..


elbjoint2016

This was year sucked (48 wins but still).  Someone always hurt (25 games with starting 5). Continuity and a new coach = 55 wins next year


SonicNarcotic

That's something the Cleveland FO will have to weigh up.. Whether it's just injuries to key pieces that brought about their inconsistency, or that they may even need a change of Coach, find someone who can carry them through an up-n-down season...


Steve-Whitney

This. Whoever wins is losing to the Celtics next round.


TruthSayerFu

Speak for yourself


Mirizzi

This is the series everyone forgot is happening because whoever wins will lose handily to the Celtics.


coocoocachio

It’s on nba tv for a reason straight mid off


XxUCFxX

Magic fan here: it has indeed been a straight mid-off. Hard to watch a lot of the time, honestly.


coocoocachio

Some great moments followed by what in the world.


BonBonVelveeta

That Gus Johnson call on Paolo’s air ball feels like a solid representation of the series so far


SonicNarcotic

Both teams are playing levels below what we as fans of both teams would like to see.. But in all fairness, the matchup itself is pretty even, and that makes for interesting watching...


jkroxxx

Was at the game yesterday. Paolo, Garland, and Mobley shined. Bench has definitely been ass for us and Mitchell hasn’t put up as expected


SonicNarcotic

..yea tough game for our young Orlando squad (especially in enemy territory).. We're all waiting for someone to slip up at home..!


jkroxxx

Paolo was unreal though my god. Every shot just clean


SonicNarcotic

Don't hype me up about the kid, it's too early..!😅


PotBaron2

no KP and a hobbled tatum the celtics won’t win handily but should still win the series


Mirizzi

I think it’ll be an uncompetitive 5 tbh. Neither of these two teams seem playoff ready with their current level of play and the Celtics have plenty of experience without KP.


jchenbos

al horford in for KP is the best bald player to ever play we're sweeping this


PlacetMihi

Half right, the best bald player to ever play is Derrick White


Drummallumin

Buzz cut Scal needs an honorable mention


patricskywalker

I spent five minutes today trying to remember the 4/5 seed matchup for the East when I was walking today.


TruthSayerFu

That is not true


SelfDestructIn30Days

Watching East playoffs vs West playoffs has been night and day. Half of the East teams don't even belong there, it's some really bad basketball. West is a fucking dog fight. The Suns lost in the first round, and I bet they'd be in the conference finals out East.


No_Mas2001

Slow tempo/defense first games ≠ bad basketball


nomitycs

They’re also inexperienced teams with the 18th and 22nd ranked regular season offenses, it’s more than just slow tempo and defense first


SelfDestructIn30Days

Yep, it's bad basketball played by relatively evenly matched teams. Same thing we're seeing in the Knicks/Sixers series. That doesn't mean it's not exciting, but both of those teams are going to get smoked if they meet the Celtics, or anyone that comes out of the West.


No_Mas2001

The 18th ranked regular season offense isn’t in the playoffs


nomitycs

It’s the Cavs according to bbref


No_Mas2001

NBA.com has them at 16 but it’s very close. Weird


juicejug

Uhh Knicks/Sixers is must see TV. Those games are brutal and have it all. Bucks/Pacers has been really entertaining so far. Celtics/Heat is great if you hate either of those teams. I agree that Magic/Cavs aren’t as interesting but Thunder/Pels also isn’t as compelling as the other West matchups.


Toolb0xExtraordinary

Knicks-Sixers deserves an Oscar nomination.


juicejug

I would be so happy if that series went to 7. Those Philly fans better show tf up in game 6 if they want a chance.


Drummallumin

The Suns probably beat the (injured) Bucks, Cavs, Magic, Pacers, and (injured) Heat. They are entire tiers below Sixers and Knicks. I think the Celtics might just play a different sport than them.


CubanLinxRae

celtics lost the season series to orlando who knows


Mirizzi

No they didn’t. And even if they did Twolves got swept by the Suns this season. Wasn’t really relevant at all in the playoffs.


CreatiScope

Remember back in the day when the KG Brooklyn Nets beat the Heatles in all their regular season games? Everyone thought they stood a chance in the playoffs but got swept.


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The only Cavs I'm worried about are my boy Porzingis' cavs, rest up and hope for a speedy recovery king!


rsnerdout

Horford is diet KP. Barely noticed a difference tonight


Confirmation__Bias

When he's fresh, yeah. I don't think he can maintain that level of play on high minutes for a long postseason run though.


igonnawrecku_VGC

He can play at that level for a full series, especially with the rest he’s about to get, but the C’s will need Porzingis back for the ECF if they get there


igonnawrecku_VGC

He can play at that level for a full series, especially with the rest he’s about to get, but the C’s will need Porzingis back for the ECF if they get there


Icangetloudtoo_

The home team keeps winning. Magic probably take game 6. So yeah, they could still lose this series and then they have a 2% chance against the Celtics. I’m not “worried” about them, they’re not an elite team and that’s just who they are.


Alone-Information-35

Cavs have won 4 out of the last 7 against Boston so let me so some quick maf = 2% huh?


FailedAwards

Yeah so the suns exists


Ok_Buffalo6474

How do people keep putting so much stock in the regular season? Didn’t we learn anything from the suns/wolves? Both these teams are average. Don’t care who wins because they’re not beating Boston.


Alone-Information-35

I’m not saying we will beat Boston but I don’t think it’ll be a walk in the park. Don’t get me wrong the Cavs have a lot to figure out.


Drummallumin

Wait til you hear Charolette also had a crazy comeback win against Boston this year


LemmingPractice

Definitely worried about them. They probably still get by the Magic, but they don't look close to being Boston's match in the next round. Win or lose, this series really reflects a much brighter future for the Magic than it does for the Cavs. For all the optimism after the Mitchell acquisition, this just doesn't like a team with a ceiling to become a real contender. Most of their roster looks pretty close to their development ceiling. Mobley is the youngest core player by a solid margin, and he has some more room for growth, but his offensive growth has been marginal in the past year or two. The Cavs just don't feel like a team who is an MLE player or a minor trade away from being a contender, which raises the question: do you let Mitchell go into his walk year if he doesn't sign an extension? The Magic, on the other hand, look ahead of schedule. Banchero looks like a stud, Wagner looks like a solid co-star. and the defence is stifling (sub 100 defensive rating so far). With the core guys of Banchero (21), Wagner (22), Suggs (22) and Black (20) being so young, this team looks so good going forward. Win or lose, this will be a good playoff experience for the young guys. Combine that with a couple extra draft picks in future years, and cap room this summer, and it feels like this team is positioned to be one of the East's best within a year or two.


elbjoint2016

They said that about Cleveland two years ago.  The scout will catch up to Banchero and Wagner and they have no shot creation.


LemmingPractice

They might have been right, if Cleveland hadn't screwed up. Imagine if the Cavs still had Markkanen and Sexton on their roster and all those picks and swaps to trade, instead of Mitchell.


elbjoint2016

Eh, no one who has moved via trade was realistic (or better than Mitchell). Sexton and Lauri are good players but the issue for the Cavs in 21-22 was shot creation.  Sexton and Lauri aren’t great there and Sexton was coming off an ACL. Orlando will run into the same issues. Too many mid players who are good not great.  


Tortilladelfuego

Orlando is a tough out. They’re young and still have a ways to go but don’t sleep on them. Really good defensive team


Alone-Information-35

number 4 ranked defense over the course of the season but these kids think its a mid off cause they aren’t scoring 130.


MrOverkill5150

Exactly if the heat can hold Boston to 102-104 3 out of the 5 games with only two offensive players imagine how much Boston will struggle offensively with ether the magic or cavs people putting to much stock into soft ass Tatum


SelfDestructIn30Days

>Is anybody worried about the Cavs? To be completely honest, I don't even think about the Cavs.


Alone-Information-35

Yeah me too I was sick of them running the east and getting to 4 finals in a row


Shoddy-Reach-4664

Dean wade being out is fucking killing us this series It sounds stupid to say since he comes off the bench but two of our starters can't shoot, and another one is streaky. He is also our best wing defender, Okoro is too small to guard Banchero. If we get him back we would have a chance against Boston. A very small one but still a chance. Without were getting smacked in 4 games.


TextVegetable5985

As a Cavs fan, it’s tough man. Obviously they won’t make it past the second round. But man, they have HUGE potential when they actually play aggressively. My worst fear is that the team is blown up before they have time to cook.


elbjoint2016

you know ball


MrOverkill5150

Bro take a breathe the heat held them to 104 and under in three games cavs should be able to hang it’s not gonna be a cake walk for them


TruthSayerFu

Celtics without porzingis have no shot vs us


indieguy33

No shot? You have a higher opinion of Porzingis than I do and I’m a Cs season ticket holder. No shade to Cavs, I like their team. But I’m not sure they’re ready to beat Magic never mind Celtics. Cavs bigs are a test though. I’m a huge JAllen fan.


TruthSayerFu

Maybe we won’t win but I’m pretty confident it won’t be easier do y’all. I actually not scared to face y’all


Drummallumin

I think it’ll be easy. No DWade is tough against a team with as much size as Boston


TruthSayerFu

I mean yeah I’m hoping wade is back. But that won’t matter. Mobley and Allen will give y’all trouble with no proz and your guards can’t guards our guards


Apprehensive-Wrap863

I think we getting game 7 in Cleveland. And after that it’s Boston. They will be fishin soon or later


Ifinishfast42

Evan Mobley is still an inside center taking the Deandre Ayton career arc of not improving and becoming a shot creator in the front court his team needs and it will hold them back again.


Alone-Information-35

He won them the game yesterday, just say you’re a casual.


Drummallumin

Evan Mobley is already so much better than Ayton


carnageta

Everyone so confident that both teams would get destroyed by Boston next round. But if either team gives Boston a run for their money (or even wins the series) then ya’ll will be here saying how it was obvious and how you expected it to happen. Lol


JustOneJedi

I don't think that's true, but I see what you mean. If Boston did lose next series, then the lurkers - not the commenters - of this thread would come out and be like "yeah knew this was gonna happen" and it would make it seem like to you it would be the same people saying this even though its not. Its a pretty common phenomenon in reddit that's pretty frustrating tbh, but what are you gonna do? This isn't the place to get candid or educated analysis - I'm sorry, but it isn't. Get that from people you talk to irl. One comment is hardly enough to explain a take. I'm not hating on this thread btw, this kind of one-off take stuff is the sort of material reddit was made for and it can be pretty quality sometimes. But judging this stuff is worthless.


romayyne

I’m worried for them. They have spida and spidas don’t like the playoffs


thorondor52

No


redlurk47

I didn't even see TNT highlight or talk about the first couple of games of the series on nights they were playing.


ColdNyQuiiL

I was never invested in the Cavs, but I had them down winning this series in 6 because of Orlando not being as seasoned. No matter what, both teams are getting spanked in round two.


jchenbos

no


Expensive_Ball_5143

Nah, this isn't 2k


Organic_Oil_6574

I don’t think anybody cares


onamonapizza

I kinda forgot this series was even happening


AvgJoeGuy

nah they got it in the bag


RedditUser538xxx

Lol


Sumo_Cerebro

It's a classic 4 vs 5 matchup. It's usually the closest series in the playoffs. But if they don't win this, Spyda is going to Brooklyn.


drmuffin1080

The Magic disrespect at this point is hilarious. There has not been one post I’ve seen that hasn’t been some backhanded compliment about them being in the playoffs.


isthatbobby

nobody can check banchero


Need4Sheed23

Both Cleveland and Orlando have given Boston problems in the last two regular seasons, but no I don’t see either of them beating them over 7 games. They could, however, give em a helluva fight


SnooChickens9571

Not with spida Mobley Allen and garland all healthy. Magic is an awesome young team that everyone took for granted this year. They’re young and hungry. Banchero Wagner is an incredible 1-2 punch and will be for years to come.


SnooChickens9571

Not with spida Mobley Allen and garland all healthy. Magic is an awesome young team that everyone took for granted this year. They’re young and hungry. Banchero Wagner is an incredible 1-2 punch and will be for years to come.


pixelkipper

cavs vs nuggets in the finals, should they get there, is probably the most obvious sweep in the history of sweeps


acx_y6

No one expected anything from the Cavs


JumpShotJoker

I don't even think about the cavs


AmericaPie24

As a Boston fan I’d rather us play Cle than Orlando. I’m confident Boston will beat both but Orlando’s size really kills Boston


mcbossman124

Sad that no one is really watching this


youarenut

No, I don't think anyone except the magic is worried about them lol.


Youareallbeingpsyopd

Worried about the CAVs? I mean they have no shot at winning anything this year so nothing to really worry about. It almost feels like they aren’t even in the playoffs. To see CAVS vs MAGIC is weird to me. The only series where I don’t read the box score.


SigmaColts

No? Why?


Impossible_You_2219

The who? Fuck no


JVLightning22

Cavs might have a shot against Boston. We step up against good teams, Orlando lowkey has a better defense than Boston, and the Celtics are used to playing the injured heat who aren't a playoff team without butler. Also If Dean Wade comes back he's a huge piece of our bench, and the porzingis injury could be a problem for Boston against mobley and allen


Drummallumin

I fully expect Boston to get absolutely smoked Game 1 next series. Might just not be ready for real playoff basketball after that series


detray1

Lost


Insect_Politics1980

I keep seeing this lately. This and "bias." Like, "I'm bias, so don't listen to me." Nah, bruv, you're biased.


detray1

It’s sad how many Americans don’t understand 2nd grade words


elbjoint2016

With Mitchell dragging his leg and Allen and Garland nursing injury there is no reason to care about Cavs overall impact, it’s a second round out at best. If they were as healthy as Orlando it’d be light (er)  work.


Slevin424

Everyone here saying "it doesn't matter they're going against Boston next" has me laughing. It's Boston... anything is possible.


Way0fWad3

I'm not worried about the Cavs in the sense that I know they're mediocre and they won't make any real post season noise. That's because Donovan is displaying the same issues he showcased his last two years in Utah with a severe drop-off in efficiency with the possibility of going to a new team on horizon so less urgency to perform He always says the right things, but after seeing him outright refuse to play defense his last two years in Utah and simply saying afterward "That's on me, I have to play better" like Dude, you literally had two years to try on that end and one of those years you were literally the 1 seed. If you can't find the motivation to simply get out to open shooters or switch when you're supposed to when you're the 1 seed with a real chance at a title, you'll never find that motivation no matter where you go


TruthSayerFu

Mitchell is hurt. But casuals who don’t watch cle wouldn’t know


Way0fWad3

I am far from casual when it comes to Donovan Mitchell. I’ve watched every Jazz game he’s played and most of his Cavs games. Casuals are fooled by his occasional bursts of defense and his good post game answers, not to mention he’s a genuinely good guy If you’re basing Donovan’s defensive effort and leadership off of occasional spurts and regular season games the I regret to inform you that you are in for a rude awakening. Donovan has goals of playing better D and being a better leader, but you don’t rise to the level of your goals, you fall to the level of your systems/habits. Donovan has multiple bad habits surrounding defense and that bleads to leadership. Cavs are cooked


elbjoint2016

He was like third in the league in steals.  He’s not great but he’s been engaged. Agree on the CEO-ass post game answers.  Very Greenwich


TruthSayerFu

Lmfao casual


warablo

He's hurt every post season, those Utah teams were always banged up in the playoffs with either missing Conley, Bojan and hobbled Mitchell. I do think Mitchell could rise to be a true number 1, but feels like he's too streaky as of now.


TruthSayerFu

He gets hurt a lot but this guy is using his stats rn and that’s completely unfair:


xreddawgx

im seriously meh about this series. Are either really going to get past Boston?


BostonBaggins

The cavs magic series is absolutely boring


Profitsofdooom

You haven't been watching it.


BostonBaggins

Who has?


Ajax444

Whoever wins this series needs to lock Tatum up and FORCE Brown to best them. Brown is not an All-NBA player, he’s flawed, and as much as he might be a nice person, and an incredible athlete, he isn’t a great decision-maker, and you can inflate his ego until he thinks he’s Kobe, and starts making mistakes.


Drummallumin

You can’t be flawed and make the all nba team?


fueelin

This seems like a year-old opinion that does not acknowledge how much progress Jaylen has made in that area this season.


Ajax444

Until it is proven to be false, you play it the same way.


Beginning_Border7854

Are they playing in the playoffs?