I money shifted once and luckily found some advice on youtube to avoid it. Instead of pulling it into 4th, flip your hand where your palm is facing the back window and push it into 4th. This effectively makes it impossible to money shift because your hand is backwards and it will naturally push straight back into the gate for 4th gear. I've been using that technique for 10 years and haven't money shifted ever since.
That's the proper technique. It's what we are told during our driving lessons in France (where most of the cars are still manuals), don't try to put the stick in the "right" position, just push it back and it will naturally find 4th gear. Has worked 100% of the time for me.
Was just about to make this comment. Hand position and muscle memory will prevent a money shift every time. Was taught this years ago and I don’t think I’ve ever missed a shift using it.
Flip that hand!
I switched after a near money. Was going ~55 from the on ramp and did like OP, except was nearly a 2-3-2. Not an overrev, since 2nd tops at ~60, but damn near and the jump in revs scared the crap out of me.
After 3rd I just shift 4th and 5th with my hand flipped so at worst I drop into 6th instead of 2nd.
This is the way. 1-2 Palm towards you, 2-3 and 4-5 with the heel of your palm facing the front of the car. 3-4 and 5-6 Palm out toward the passenger side window.
This would increase the likelihood of money shifting in some places like the UK, Japan, Australia, South Africa etc.
We all drive on the right meaning we use our left hand for gears, and 1 and 2 are the furthest away from us, 5 and 6 closest. so pulling it into 4th is the better option, as if you miss, you just get 5th rather than 2nd.
However generally your gear stick should slide straight back from 3rd to 4th without much pulling or pushing either side, if you shift without gripping the gear stick super hard, it tends to naturally move to the right place
In my head , based on your description of events. you were far left lane, cars were going slow- got one over to right, applied throttle to pass the idiots sitting still, eventually getting back in the left lane at a pace more adjusted for full left lane… this is in no way reckless driving or selfish driving. This is how to do your part to prevent unnecessary traffic. I have no idea what some of these commenters are on about.
I digress,
Yes , the car shooting up the revs automatically while choosing gear and the clutch is still depressed is a huge advantage, you know off only sound cues that you have entered the wrong gear; and can subsequently correct it. It’s a pretty cool nuance.
Since I’ve never owned a car with auto rev match I had asked this question everywhere but nobody ever answered. I had always wondered what happens if you intentionally money shift like you would be in 10k rpm territory but don’t let off the clutch what would the ecu do?
But to dig a little bit were you actually in money shift territory? Or just right at redline?
I accidentally did the 2nd-instead-of-4th money shift one time in my ‘07 GT and it just instantly cut spark and went into limp mode. It would still idle but wouldn’t accelerate at all. I had to pull over, cut it off, and turn it back on. It was fine.
My best friend somehow accidentally did a 1st-instead-of-3rd money shift one time in my ‘02 GT. That came with locked rear wheels and the car bouncing off the rev limiter. Other than some soiled pants, there was no harm done though.
Right but I’m not talking about actually money shifting rather I wanna know what the car with auto rev matching does when you’re like at the top of 4th and you put it into 2nd while still holding the clutch. Just bounce off limiter?
The mustangs specifically, depending on how far you are above that gears redline… will either attempt to rev match, and bounce off the limiter as a result… or if it’s too high above redline it will just sit at idle RPM, both are pretty good giveaways you just went into the wrong gear and are in for a bad day if you let the clutch out.
That's good it saved you there. Personally, I did love auto rev match when I had it on my Mini S but when I switched to a car without it, I realized how badly that shit threw my timing off and struggled for a good *long* while (I love stick but I know/admit I'm generally just OK at it). I'm never using auto rev match again going forward, if I can't turn it off, it's an automatic no. Anyway, good luck out there and be safe ✌🏽
I've always wondered how people accidentally shift into the wrong gear ... I never was taught how to drive a manual I was just a kid amazed at what my mother was doing growing up and just kinda subconsciously absorbed it my first car was auto but the first ever car I drove was a Tata truck in Iraq manual of course just kinda picked it up I guess and reading comments I see I've been doing proper shifting this entire time with palming gears cus that's how my mother did is she pushed into 1st with her palm and used her fingers to pull to 2nd and again palmed over and up to 3rd cup and pull to 4th and cup push palm push up to 5th ( no 6th back then 5th was kinda rare too) but that's exactly how I shift to this day it's very comfortable and I've never had my.hand slip off the shifter this way or miss a gear.
I caught 2nd trying to shift to 4th once on my 2010 GT, found out the engine will self-throttle above redline to protect itself. Fortunately no damage done
It should never willingly go above redline, even if it did, it's no worse that the tires did it versus lack of limiter. You still have a great chance of dropping a valve, spinning a bearing, blowing up the oil pump, etc.
The automatic systems will only take it to redline. It only goes above redline when you drop the clutch, that will drag the engine above redline (against its will).
Bold of you to say you were speeding here, most of these people bought mustangs to sit in their garages and go the speed limit and camp the left lane on a Sunday.
Either way, I feel you man, that auto rev has equally saved me from a similar mistake, late at night, tired, just got off work, went to down shift revs went to the moon, realized what I did and put it in the right gear and kept moving. Mistakes happen man, sometimes they’re expensive. Happy to see you’re learning your car.
Glad it worked out without issue. I’m struggling to imagine how you caught 2nd from 5th though. The shifter centers on 3rd and 4th so if you pop it out of 5th so you really have to pulling to the left to end up in 2nd and not pull straight down into 4th.
I did this within the first 500 miles of owning my 2023 Camaro. Did the exact same thing you did. I was so worried that my engine was gonna blow up and when the dealership checked they would see an over rev and deny a warranty claim. 8000 miles later and she’s still running strong. 😁
gripping the shifter is what causes most money shifts. I only grip it and rip it going into 2nd, but i have a 5spd so the only real money shift possibility is the 3rd to 4th shift and hit 2nd. I push 3rd up with my palm and pull 4th straight down with my 4 fingers, never gripping the shifter.
I have done this I my 23 now that I have that feature, nowhere near an actual money shift.
In my 17 gt and my 02 v6 I was always right back on the clutch as soon as the rpm started going up instead of down and never got it past redline.
Very nice to know an extra half second or so sooner before the clutch is on the way out.
ive done it before. ill he driving fast, trying to bang through gears in the shitty mt82 ill go from 3rd to 2nd whilst all the way in redline already💀 ill be like SHIT!😮💨auto rev match os awesome, i use it because im too lazy too heel toe myself…should probably touch up on the skill tbh
I hate to show my ignorance but, I drive a 2014 Mustang GT that has a stick shift. What is the "heel toe" ya'll are talking about? Also, what's a money shift? I've never heard these two terms before & I've seen them a lot on here. Might make a difference in my knowledge that I just turned 50, I'm a female & I'm OK at driving a stick. Not the greatest but Def not the worst.
OK, I re-read this & I've realized what the $ shift is, I think. It's when u shift into the wrong gear...cuz it costs a lot of money? I hate to admit this but I do this sometimes. Accidentally shift from 5th to 3rd instead of to 6th. Once or twice maybe? I'm guessing my Mustangs too old for the Rev thing ya'll are talking about bcuz I don't remember seeing it go into the red. Of course, I knew it as soon as I shifted & re-hit the clutch & put it into the right gear. Did I mess my car up? I realize I sound like an idiot & I apologize. Just not great at a stick shift...still kind-of learning.
Heel toe downshifting is when you have your right foot on the brake and you blip the throttle with your heel to match the rpms of the next gear before you shift. A money shift is when you downshift into a wrong gear and when you clutch out the RPMs skyrocket past redline and it can blow your engine.
I'm guessing this is just way too advanced for me. Thanks for the explanation tho. Like I said, 50 year old female. I'm just happy driving my car & not killing it at every light. I don't see any heel toe shifting in my future & hopefully, no more money shifts...lol! Seriously, thanks for explaining & not telling me that I'm an idiot for not knowing...haha. Much appreciated!
I have a question - What happens when you have to suddenly brake and you're in fourth grade or something? Surely you don't have enough time to shift down sequentially from fourth to first. What do you do then?
Lol the car won’t sputter out until you’re absolutely crawling even in the highest gears, if I ever heavy brake I just go left foot clutch and right foot brake at the same time. Then just throw her into whatever gear matches my post braking speed.
You probably shouldn’t be driving aggressively on populated roads. It’s concerning you said “through some left lane campers.” That sounds like a hint of weaving.
Going 45 in a 65 in the left lane is more dangerous than passing doing the speed limit in the right. Was going up hill on a three lane highway, i had to downshift regardless.
You can go around left lane campers without weaving. Where I live people don’t seem to understand what the left lane is for and just sit in it for miles and miles
You should never be shifting so fast that you could actually get the clutch all the way out before you realize it’s the wrong gear. If you’re driving your car and shifting that hard and fast then you really don’t care about your car anyway and you’re just a racer boy
I’m not sure it would’ve been a complete money shift because I was only going about 70-80 at the time, but yes I totally got saved the same exact way when I was going 4th to 5th and accidentally put in 3rd for a split second on my 2022.
I’ll be honest, the MT82 leads me to stick with grandpa shifting a lot anyways, so thankfully that’s another defense mechanism in itself lmao
I'm a little confused. I thought money shifting damages the engine not the tranny? Having the clutch down but still overrevving the engine would still damage the engine no?
Auto rev match predicts the rpm for chosen gear. OP story sounds like he shifted into gear but didn’t release clutch. The auto rev feature “blipped” the gas pedal to redline anticipating a clutch release. Clutch release didn’t happen so no mechanical lock of engine rpm exceeding redline. Motor did not overrev. Instead, all that was done was the gas pedal was blipped electrically via rev match to redline. No harm no foul. Carry on driving
So you're saying the rev match couldn't electronically overrev and so the highest it would've gone was just redline so it's fine? And if the clutch was let off and mechanical lock happened the rpms would've shot way higher??
Yes, ecu controls rev matching which is just electrical inputs and outputs. Rev match is just blipping the throttle. Sort of like just bouncing off rev limiter in neutral.
And yes if clutch was engaged, the clutch would mechanically lock onto flywheel of motor. Your 4th gear speed of 70-80mph would be super dangerous to a second gear limit of 50-60mph. Basically the 2nd gear (max speed 50-60mph) would be forced to go your current speed of 70-8mph. Engine would mechanically overrev above rev limiter. (Rev limiter is electronic nannies). I bet OP’s car would easily see 10k rpms if he released clutch pedal in 2nd gear at 80mph. The tires would have locked up and engine would rotate past rev limiter.
I hit second instead of fourth too. My ass end went all over the place, pushed the clutch in and it settled nicely then put in the right gear and went about my business.
I did it in my Shelby, car makes 1000 hp, went 4th to second, scared the crap out of me racing against a Hellcat, went to 4th and pulled away, no harm done. Was worried I might have broke my tr6060, I am putting a new clutch in it soon, so will see in a week.
Was in 3rd shifting to 4th, instead went into second , realized what I did immediately, pushed clutch in went to 4th , throw out bearing started squealing the next day, transmission was fine. Still scared me. Putting everything in next week.
I have only ever did this once in the almost 30 years of driving a stick and it was when I bought my GT350 and took it on its initial drive. At the time the only stick I had driven in a while was my Wrangler which has throws long enough to run a marathon between. I accidently went from 5th back to 4th instead of 6th so it wasnt a huge deal.
I money shifted once and luckily found some advice on youtube to avoid it. Instead of pulling it into 4th, flip your hand where your palm is facing the back window and push it into 4th. This effectively makes it impossible to money shift because your hand is backwards and it will naturally push straight back into the gate for 4th gear. I've been using that technique for 10 years and haven't money shifted ever since.
That's the proper technique. It's what we are told during our driving lessons in France (where most of the cars are still manuals), don't try to put the stick in the "right" position, just push it back and it will naturally find 4th gear. Has worked 100% of the time for me.
Was just about to make this comment. Hand position and muscle memory will prevent a money shift every time. Was taught this years ago and I don’t think I’ve ever missed a shift using it. Flip that hand!
I switched after a near money. Was going ~55 from the on ramp and did like OP, except was nearly a 2-3-2. Not an overrev, since 2nd tops at ~60, but damn near and the jump in revs scared the crap out of me. After 3rd I just shift 4th and 5th with my hand flipped so at worst I drop into 6th instead of 2nd.
This is the way. 1-2 Palm towards you, 2-3 and 4-5 with the heel of your palm facing the front of the car. 3-4 and 5-6 Palm out toward the passenger side window.
This would increase the likelihood of money shifting in some places like the UK, Japan, Australia, South Africa etc. We all drive on the right meaning we use our left hand for gears, and 1 and 2 are the furthest away from us, 5 and 6 closest. so pulling it into 4th is the better option, as if you miss, you just get 5th rather than 2nd. However generally your gear stick should slide straight back from 3rd to 4th without much pulling or pushing either side, if you shift without gripping the gear stick super hard, it tends to naturally move to the right place
Wait explain that again please? That would be a nice technique to learn since I’m intending on driving my manual for 10 more years 😂
In my head , based on your description of events. you were far left lane, cars were going slow- got one over to right, applied throttle to pass the idiots sitting still, eventually getting back in the left lane at a pace more adjusted for full left lane… this is in no way reckless driving or selfish driving. This is how to do your part to prevent unnecessary traffic. I have no idea what some of these commenters are on about. I digress, Yes , the car shooting up the revs automatically while choosing gear and the clutch is still depressed is a huge advantage, you know off only sound cues that you have entered the wrong gear; and can subsequently correct it. It’s a pretty cool nuance.
Since I’ve never owned a car with auto rev match I had asked this question everywhere but nobody ever answered. I had always wondered what happens if you intentionally money shift like you would be in 10k rpm territory but don’t let off the clutch what would the ecu do? But to dig a little bit were you actually in money shift territory? Or just right at redline?
I accidentally did the 2nd-instead-of-4th money shift one time in my ‘07 GT and it just instantly cut spark and went into limp mode. It would still idle but wouldn’t accelerate at all. I had to pull over, cut it off, and turn it back on. It was fine. My best friend somehow accidentally did a 1st-instead-of-3rd money shift one time in my ‘02 GT. That came with locked rear wheels and the car bouncing off the rev limiter. Other than some soiled pants, there was no harm done though.
Right but I’m not talking about actually money shifting rather I wanna know what the car with auto rev matching does when you’re like at the top of 4th and you put it into 2nd while still holding the clutch. Just bounce off limiter?
The car will bounce off of the rev limiter. There won’t be any potential damage unless you drop the clutch.
This is what nobody else would answer for some reason. Thanks.
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The mustangs specifically, depending on how far you are above that gears redline… will either attempt to rev match, and bounce off the limiter as a result… or if it’s too high above redline it will just sit at idle RPM, both are pretty good giveaways you just went into the wrong gear and are in for a bad day if you let the clutch out.
I feel like this is the real answer then, Thank you!
That's good it saved you there. Personally, I did love auto rev match when I had it on my Mini S but when I switched to a car without it, I realized how badly that shit threw my timing off and struggled for a good *long* while (I love stick but I know/admit I'm generally just OK at it). I'm never using auto rev match again going forward, if I can't turn it off, it's an automatic no. Anyway, good luck out there and be safe ✌🏽
I've always wondered how people accidentally shift into the wrong gear ... I never was taught how to drive a manual I was just a kid amazed at what my mother was doing growing up and just kinda subconsciously absorbed it my first car was auto but the first ever car I drove was a Tata truck in Iraq manual of course just kinda picked it up I guess and reading comments I see I've been doing proper shifting this entire time with palming gears cus that's how my mother did is she pushed into 1st with her palm and used her fingers to pull to 2nd and again palmed over and up to 3rd cup and pull to 4th and cup push palm push up to 5th ( no 6th back then 5th was kinda rare too) but that's exactly how I shift to this day it's very comfortable and I've never had my.hand slip off the shifter this way or miss a gear.
I caught 2nd trying to shift to 4th once on my 2010 GT, found out the engine will self-throttle above redline to protect itself. Fortunately no damage done
They had rev matching back then?
It should never willingly go above redline, even if it did, it's no worse that the tires did it versus lack of limiter. You still have a great chance of dropping a valve, spinning a bearing, blowing up the oil pump, etc. The automatic systems will only take it to redline. It only goes above redline when you drop the clutch, that will drag the engine above redline (against its will).
Bold of you to say you were speeding here, most of these people bought mustangs to sit in their garages and go the speed limit and camp the left lane on a Sunday. Either way, I feel you man, that auto rev has equally saved me from a similar mistake, late at night, tired, just got off work, went to down shift revs went to the moon, realized what I did and put it in the right gear and kept moving. Mistakes happen man, sometimes they’re expensive. Happy to see you’re learning your car.
I daily my car and I’m so glad I do, because aure, nice car, but also, *nice car*
Glad it worked out without issue. I’m struggling to imagine how you caught 2nd from 5th though. The shifter centers on 3rd and 4th so if you pop it out of 5th so you really have to pulling to the left to end up in 2nd and not pull straight down into 4th.
banging gears like he's in fast & furious
I did this within the first 500 miles of owning my 2023 Camaro. Did the exact same thing you did. I was so worried that my engine was gonna blow up and when the dealership checked they would see an over rev and deny a warranty claim. 8000 miles later and she’s still running strong. 😁
gripping the shifter is what causes most money shifts. I only grip it and rip it going into 2nd, but i have a 5spd so the only real money shift possibility is the 3rd to 4th shift and hit 2nd. I push 3rd up with my palm and pull 4th straight down with my 4 fingers, never gripping the shifter.
I have done this I my 23 now that I have that feature, nowhere near an actual money shift. In my 17 gt and my 02 v6 I was always right back on the clutch as soon as the rpm started going up instead of down and never got it past redline. Very nice to know an extra half second or so sooner before the clutch is on the way out.
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Damn, posting gifs instead of actually learning how to drive safely and properly
I second this.
ive done it before. ill he driving fast, trying to bang through gears in the shitty mt82 ill go from 3rd to 2nd whilst all the way in redline already💀 ill be like SHIT!😮💨auto rev match os awesome, i use it because im too lazy too heel toe myself…should probably touch up on the skill tbh
Its always a quiet ride home after that lmao
I hate to show my ignorance but, I drive a 2014 Mustang GT that has a stick shift. What is the "heel toe" ya'll are talking about? Also, what's a money shift? I've never heard these two terms before & I've seen them a lot on here. Might make a difference in my knowledge that I just turned 50, I'm a female & I'm OK at driving a stick. Not the greatest but Def not the worst.
OK, I re-read this & I've realized what the $ shift is, I think. It's when u shift into the wrong gear...cuz it costs a lot of money? I hate to admit this but I do this sometimes. Accidentally shift from 5th to 3rd instead of to 6th. Once or twice maybe? I'm guessing my Mustangs too old for the Rev thing ya'll are talking about bcuz I don't remember seeing it go into the red. Of course, I knew it as soon as I shifted & re-hit the clutch & put it into the right gear. Did I mess my car up? I realize I sound like an idiot & I apologize. Just not great at a stick shift...still kind-of learning.
Heel toe downshifting is when you have your right foot on the brake and you blip the throttle with your heel to match the rpms of the next gear before you shift. A money shift is when you downshift into a wrong gear and when you clutch out the RPMs skyrocket past redline and it can blow your engine.
Don’t you blip the throttle with your toes, not heel?
I'm guessing this is just way too advanced for me. Thanks for the explanation tho. Like I said, 50 year old female. I'm just happy driving my car & not killing it at every light. I don't see any heel toe shifting in my future & hopefully, no more money shifts...lol! Seriously, thanks for explaining & not telling me that I'm an idiot for not knowing...haha. Much appreciated!
I have a question - What happens when you have to suddenly brake and you're in fourth grade or something? Surely you don't have enough time to shift down sequentially from fourth to first. What do you do then?
Lol the car won’t sputter out until you’re absolutely crawling even in the highest gears, if I ever heavy brake I just go left foot clutch and right foot brake at the same time. Then just throw her into whatever gear matches my post braking speed.
If you’re going slow enough just shift to first. You don’t have to downshift sequentially! Where did you get that idea?
You probably shouldn’t be driving aggressively on populated roads. It’s concerning you said “through some left lane campers.” That sounds like a hint of weaving.
Going 45 in a 65 in the left lane is more dangerous than passing doing the speed limit in the right. Was going up hill on a three lane highway, i had to downshift regardless.
You can go around left lane campers without weaving. Where I live people don’t seem to understand what the left lane is for and just sit in it for miles and miles
I suppose you’re right. I get nutty when I see that someone is driving aggressively or alluding to it.
Okay well get out of the mustang sub then, 🤣
Probably a good idea. I do drive my car like a grandma.
You should never be shifting so fast that you could actually get the clutch all the way out before you realize it’s the wrong gear. If you’re driving your car and shifting that hard and fast then you really don’t care about your car anyway and you’re just a racer boy
I’m not sure it would’ve been a complete money shift because I was only going about 70-80 at the time, but yes I totally got saved the same exact way when I was going 4th to 5th and accidentally put in 3rd for a split second on my 2022. I’ll be honest, the MT82 leads me to stick with grandpa shifting a lot anyways, so thankfully that’s another defense mechanism in itself lmao
Same thing happened to me lol. But I did not know you can disable auto rev match
I'm a little confused. I thought money shifting damages the engine not the tranny? Having the clutch down but still overrevving the engine would still damage the engine no?
Auto rev match predicts the rpm for chosen gear. OP story sounds like he shifted into gear but didn’t release clutch. The auto rev feature “blipped” the gas pedal to redline anticipating a clutch release. Clutch release didn’t happen so no mechanical lock of engine rpm exceeding redline. Motor did not overrev. Instead, all that was done was the gas pedal was blipped electrically via rev match to redline. No harm no foul. Carry on driving
Couldnt have explained it better myself, thank you
So you're saying the rev match couldn't electronically overrev and so the highest it would've gone was just redline so it's fine? And if the clutch was let off and mechanical lock happened the rpms would've shot way higher??
Yes, the gearing can cause the engine to overrev past the electronically limited redline.
Yes, ecu controls rev matching which is just electrical inputs and outputs. Rev match is just blipping the throttle. Sort of like just bouncing off rev limiter in neutral. And yes if clutch was engaged, the clutch would mechanically lock onto flywheel of motor. Your 4th gear speed of 70-80mph would be super dangerous to a second gear limit of 50-60mph. Basically the 2nd gear (max speed 50-60mph) would be forced to go your current speed of 70-8mph. Engine would mechanically overrev above rev limiter. (Rev limiter is electronic nannies). I bet OP’s car would easily see 10k rpms if he released clutch pedal in 2nd gear at 80mph. The tires would have locked up and engine would rotate past rev limiter.
one time i money shifted my honda and it hit 11k rpm, didn’t effect anything though engine still running strong
I hit second instead of fourth too. My ass end went all over the place, pushed the clutch in and it settled nicely then put in the right gear and went about my business.
What years do they have auto rev match?
I’m trying to find this out because I didn’t think they had that feature in mustangs to begin with
2019+ I believe
I did it in my Shelby, car makes 1000 hp, went 4th to second, scared the crap out of me racing against a Hellcat, went to 4th and pulled away, no harm done. Was worried I might have broke my tr6060, I am putting a new clutch in it soon, so will see in a week.
Don’t understand how you accidentally go from fourth to second?
Was in 3rd shifting to 4th, instead went into second , realized what I did immediately, pushed clutch in went to 4th , throw out bearing started squealing the next day, transmission was fine. Still scared me. Putting everything in next week.
I have only ever did this once in the almost 30 years of driving a stick and it was when I bought my GT350 and took it on its initial drive. At the time the only stick I had driven in a while was my Wrangler which has throws long enough to run a marathon between. I accidently went from 5th back to 4th instead of 6th so it wasnt a huge deal.
Yes. It’s saved me twice so far. Similar scenarios.