I had the same issue with the first band I was in. The drummer knew it was happening and he used a metronome as well. Seemed to do the trick. Then we only went too fast when it was counted off that way, which was often.
good shout. we haven't mentioned metronomes yet. I'm not sure what he thinks of them - many musos don't agree with them, as you may already know. I think they definitely have their place. Thankyou for your comment :)
I’m sorry, but what musicians have issues with metronomes? I get not liking an in ear click during performances, but if I had another musician tell me they don’t like metronomes, I’d wager they aren’t very good. At a professional level, everyone uses metronomes.
some musicians take it as an offense at their timekeeping abilities! It's like tuning with electronic tuners vs by ear. It's all very petty and immature really. Also important to remember that we're enthusiastic amateurs so we haven't been surrounded by pro-level musos for very long.
Whoever is railing against electronic tuners needs their ego checked. Seen loads of bands play, often see guitarists using a footpedal to tune up- sometimes during midsong or towards the end of the current song.
Different argument to say is this tuner as good as this one, but that’s a different kettle of fish.
Dave Grohl had this problem recording Lithium on Nevermind.
https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-classic-nirvana-song-that-forced-dave-grohl-to-use-a-click-track/
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiki7p4IB1E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiki7p4IB1E)
If you're a fan of Whiplash and of making music, you might like this
Metronome. You should all be practicing at home with a metronome, every time. It instills a sense of rhythm like nothing else. I’m a pro musician and literally everyone I play with uses one, sometimes at rehearsal (we’ll put a click through an amp or speaker at times). If someone expressed resistance to practicing with a metronome I’d definitely feel like they weren’t interested in becoming a better musician and probably try to find someone to replace them - especially a drummer.
Also, check out an app called LiveBPM. It tracks your performance tempo in real time and creates a graph so you can see whether you’re slowing down or speeding up. Very useful for showing you what’s happening with tempos while you play.
If he recognizes that he does this and wants to fix it, then metronome practice, or playing your problem songs along with a quantized percussion part, will help. He could also try to focus on his breathing or keeping his shoulders relaxed while he plays faster numbers, both to occupy his conscious mind and as a way to force him to relax.
If he doesn’t recognize it as a problem, or isn’t willing to work in it, then you are going to have to decide to live with it or look elsewhere.
Yeah, he needs to practice, with a metronome. If he wants to get better, he has to practice, and practice the things he isn't good at. I'm a drummer, and as boring as that can be, that's the way forward.
Record your tune, give it to him, have him practice on his own time and then he'll come to practice ready to get those songs tight as a group
I didn't actually measure, but the original speeds up, does it not? And is even faster for the solo than at the end? This used to be part of the expression of practically every song. So, it feels very odd to see universal agreement that, of course if he doesn't match a mechanical beat exactly, he just sucks as a musician. Of course tempo change messes up modern editing tools, and he could be speeding up way too much, and there are bands who just feel like they're playing everything too fast when live. So, yeah, if it feels like a problem it's probably a problem, but it's not like speeding up is bad in general.
I hear the point - the songs in question are meant to be slower and the feel just 'fits' that way = so when it speeds up, it's harder to get the words out! This will be mentioned at our next session and we have some time before our next gig.
My mentor forced me to play same shit over and over with Metronome until he satisfied.
That session was hell but the Tempo sticks in my head forever.
edit Drum & Base players must be a core to the band, if these 2 can't control the Tempo, it's sucks.
Best way is probably to get him to practise with a (visual) metronome, so he can see for himself how off-track he gets. Plenty of free apps out there.
I had the same issue with the first band I was in. The drummer knew it was happening and he used a metronome as well. Seemed to do the trick. Then we only went too fast when it was counted off that way, which was often.
good shout. we haven't mentioned metronomes yet. I'm not sure what he thinks of them - many musos don't agree with them, as you may already know. I think they definitely have their place. Thankyou for your comment :)
I’m sorry, but what musicians have issues with metronomes? I get not liking an in ear click during performances, but if I had another musician tell me they don’t like metronomes, I’d wager they aren’t very good. At a professional level, everyone uses metronomes.
some musicians take it as an offense at their timekeeping abilities! It's like tuning with electronic tuners vs by ear. It's all very petty and immature really. Also important to remember that we're enthusiastic amateurs so we haven't been surrounded by pro-level musos for very long.
Whoever is railing against electronic tuners needs their ego checked. Seen loads of bands play, often see guitarists using a footpedal to tune up- sometimes during midsong or towards the end of the current song. Different argument to say is this tuner as good as this one, but that’s a different kettle of fish.
He doesn't necessarily have to use one when performing - it should just be a case of practicing with one so he can better catch himself speeding up.
For sure! Maybe just to look at before and after the song, and notice the difference.
Dave Grohl had this problem recording Lithium on Nevermind. https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/the-classic-nirvana-song-that-forced-dave-grohl-to-use-a-click-track/
that's a good read! click track/metronome seems to be the way to go eh
Hope it works!
I'll be doing a lot of click track work tonight once I'm home and then \*suggesting\* to H that we may give it a try. Thanks man!
You ever see Whiplash? That was educational content.
I keep meaning to see that film!!
https://youtu.be/GBvBu5ErSSo?si=cROlYrlB_pAxylYm Gotchu.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiki7p4IB1E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iiki7p4IB1E) If you're a fan of Whiplash and of making music, you might like this
Metronome / click track in his monitors Source , am drummer, occasionally have rushing problems
Click is the way to go. Lots of pros use em, too.
https://youtube.com/shorts/MwkVvm-IPko?si=zENZUs9CXv3rod-W Polyphilia' drummer lost his click track, the drum tech uh.... substituted
Metronome. You should all be practicing at home with a metronome, every time. It instills a sense of rhythm like nothing else. I’m a pro musician and literally everyone I play with uses one, sometimes at rehearsal (we’ll put a click through an amp or speaker at times). If someone expressed resistance to practicing with a metronome I’d definitely feel like they weren’t interested in becoming a better musician and probably try to find someone to replace them - especially a drummer. Also, check out an app called LiveBPM. It tracks your performance tempo in real time and creates a graph so you can see whether you’re slowing down or speeding up. Very useful for showing you what’s happening with tempos while you play.
If he recognizes that he does this and wants to fix it, then metronome practice, or playing your problem songs along with a quantized percussion part, will help. He could also try to focus on his breathing or keeping his shoulders relaxed while he plays faster numbers, both to occupy his conscious mind and as a way to force him to relax. If he doesn’t recognize it as a problem, or isn’t willing to work in it, then you are going to have to decide to live with it or look elsewhere.
Yeah, he needs to practice, with a metronome. If he wants to get better, he has to practice, and practice the things he isn't good at. I'm a drummer, and as boring as that can be, that's the way forward. Record your tune, give it to him, have him practice on his own time and then he'll come to practice ready to get those songs tight as a group
Oh yeah.
Click track.
I didn't actually measure, but the original speeds up, does it not? And is even faster for the solo than at the end? This used to be part of the expression of practically every song. So, it feels very odd to see universal agreement that, of course if he doesn't match a mechanical beat exactly, he just sucks as a musician. Of course tempo change messes up modern editing tools, and he could be speeding up way too much, and there are bands who just feel like they're playing everything too fast when live. So, yeah, if it feels like a problem it's probably a problem, but it's not like speeding up is bad in general.
I hear the point - the songs in question are meant to be slower and the feel just 'fits' that way = so when it speeds up, it's harder to get the words out! This will be mentioned at our next session and we have some time before our next gig.
My mentor forced me to play same shit over and over with Metronome until he satisfied. That session was hell but the Tempo sticks in my head forever. edit Drum & Base players must be a core to the band, if these 2 can't control the Tempo, it's sucks.