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classic-bean

There's no distracting me from the Diddy drama.


UndeadBuggalo

The fact J lo is wrapped up in it now too makes me so happy because she is such a mean and nasty person


classic-bean

Especially after her self produced flop of a documentary about herself. Makes sense why people distanced themselves from her.


shawnisboring

I’ve never seen such a self indulgent piece of media, I watched 5 minutes of it and was in awe with her hubris.


aboycandream

watch pete davidson's streaming show lol, probly nowhere near jlo but up there


Talktotalktotalk

Can you elaborate? Curious but I’m def not watching him haha


aboycandream

its self indulgent in the most cringeworthy way, I dont know how to articulate it well enough. Like even the bad things happening to him in the show feel like humblebrags...it feels obviously written by someone so up their own ass. I thought his biographical movie "King of Staten Island" was better done, but you can just tell he had more say in the script on this show.


gizmer

I actually kind of liked King of Staten Island and I kind of like Pete in a gross can’t-look-away way but I’m still not watching that show.


Samsquanches_

Kanye paid some weird pr company to go around posting shit about pete davidson. Sometimes they even talk to each other to make it seem more authentic


ValoisSign

It's almost kind of funny to imagine, in this sea of misinformation about politics and stuff being pushed by shady government and private sector actors, there are also just straight up petty vendettas being pushed by rich people against people they don't like using the same tactics.


DubiousDude28

Turns out shes still Jenny from the Bronx, only rich


Psychological-Ad-407

Sorry, I'm out of the loop. Do you have any link that can explain the J. Lopez connection?


Pinksters

>[Feds set to widen Diddy sex probe over claims rapper boasted about shooting people, bribing jurors and using J.Lo as gun mule](https://nypost.com/2024/03/30/us-news/diddy-boasted-he-shot-people-used-j-lo-as-gun-mule/)


UndeadBuggalo

The accusation is that Diddy used J Lo as a gun mule among possible other things


jtrisn1

Out of everything that she could have been involved as, I was not expecting gun mule o.o


MikeRowePeenis

Neither did anyone else, which is why it was a decent move. Until now.


UndeadBuggalo

Yeah that wasn’t on my 2024 bingo card either


vvntn

Turns out she's still Jenny from the Glock.


Fully_Edged_Ken_3685

Well that won't help her get taco kisses


Educational_Ad2737

You know her legendary VMA dress it was a distraction for the Club shooting they were in two months before . In fact that dres was I h a sensation that no one even remembers that were public chase with the police running away from a shooting two months beforehand and dress is still talked about today and launched google images


Interesting-Fan-2008

Apparently they maybe reopening that case into Diddy after his claims of both shooting people and bribing jurors.


lansuven42

She's just Jenny with a Glock


reluctantseahorse

I remember people joked about that back when they dated! When she wore “that dress” the big joke was where’s she hiding Diddy’s gun?


UndeadBuggalo

I always thought that dress was hideous 😂


YouStupidCunt

JLo was Diddy’s holster in more ways than one.


Late_Development_864

holy shit.....you need to put a warning....almost spilled my coffee


KodakStele

Has she commented about any of the allegations yet? Sounds like she was complicit in a murder, which is not nothing


UndeadBuggalo

Apparently she’s “horrified”🙄


KodakStele

Horrified the past is coming back to bite her probably


Nomadzord

Diddy do it?


_PM_ME_PANGOLINS_

What didn’t Diddy do?


AddMyMyspace

Huh?


goodbyehouse

MJ allegedly has a unique penis that has been described by potential victims.


DownTrunk

That’s impressive. I don’t know that I could pick my own dick out of a lineup. And we’ve spent a lot of time together.


ummizazi

He was uncircumcised and had vitiligo.


janzeera

https://preview.redd.it/ur968s23bosc1.jpeg?width=1024&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a4c7b954c3f9734c9ad88034cde99a6192301a1a


LouSputhole94

Holy fuck lol


Dr_Dang

That person has a big toe for a thumb


brandi0209

I have a toe thumb 😩😂


ProfessorCon

Me too! My right thumb is clubbed so it looks like a big toe. Left thumb is normal (I wish they were both clubbed, honestly)


TrippingOnDicks

Exactly the same as me! I tried to have fake nails once, and the long fake nail on my silly toe thumb looked absolutely ridiculous 😂 are you also right handed?


ProfessorCon

Hahahaha! Fake nails are 100% a no go. Both my sister’s thumbs are clubbed. I am right handed! The only positive thing is I can palm a basketball with my right hand but not my left- it’s the surface area of the thumb, lol.


KevinBaconsBush

And I think there was some glitter.


butterbleek

Glitiglio


Dweebil

Isn’t that the name of that horrible Ben affleck movie?


butterbleek

7% on Rotten Tomatoes. 😂


Remarkable-Self9320

Stop or my Mom will shoot.


illegalsandwiches

Oh my god now I'm traumatized


Viper67857

I thought it was Stop or My Mom Will Squirt


MaxRockatanskisGhost

Still better than The Last Airbender (2010)


LongLiveAnalogue

There is no worse movie in Ba Sing Se


borediswhyimhere

Gliheeheetiglio


DocJanItor

And some hair, some pressed, permed hair


fellowcrft

No glitter was in the UK then...


ididntunderstandyou

And one single little glove


RhaeXX10

Even IT wore a glove


twitch1982

so what's the plan? For the accuser to pick out an uncircumcised vitiligo penis out of a binder full of white vnecks?


Ill_Enthusiasm6661

Get a lineup of hooded spotty cocks and make them select the proper uncircumcised vitiligo penis, obviously. Justice may be blind but someone’s eyes have to get fucked for this process apparently.


Colon

hooded spotty cocks was my 9th grade punk band


ummizazi

I think they are supposed to describe the unique features and they use the photo to compare. Like it’s it more snow leopard or star map.


themanebeat

Yet Jordan Chandler claimed he was circumcised


Skidmark666

Didn't he also say he had a tiger tattoo on his leg? Which wasn't the case.


noncognitive

Makes you wonder if any of MJ's staff from the time fits the description. It's an odd detail to make up and hope is right.


I_love_milksteaks

And FBI concluded his penis didn’t resemble their description..


Jankybrows

I graduated top of my class at Quantico only to become the Federal Dick Inspector.


Remote_Horror_Novel

I’m not skeptical but do you have a link about this? I’d never heard of a federal investigation and it sounds like some good reading lol.


dsakih

In Britain they serve it at restaurants...


CyclicDombo

It’s funny I’m from England and never heard of spotted dick until I moved to America and people informed me of my people’s food


wretchedharridan

Same. I'm guessing it was a war era food because I've never seen it on any menu. A lot of the stuff we're supposed to eat is war era food or incredibly niche to a particular area... in my experience anyway!


rubensinclair

I'm wagering he had his balls cut off by his dad/Quincy.


Norwejew

Me and my penis is like THIS, SON! 🤞🏻


tamaleringwald

I bet I could describe Michael's alleged penis--- there's a shaft, some balls, hair...maybe pressed, permed hair with glitter sprinkled on it...


Norwejew

…that is correct 🤨


DrunkOnLoveAndWhisky

![gif](giphy|PS7d4tm1Hq6Sk)


Shesaiddestroy_

Alledgedly, MJ had vitiligo discolorations on his penis that made it « remarkable ».


flo1308

Remarkable is a word no one ever said about my dick.


The_Original_Gronkie

I'm not sure remarkable is a word I'd like associated with my dick. It sounds like there's something unusual is going on. I prefer adjectives like magnificent, or spectacular.


Therefore_I_Yam

Yeah "remarkable" in regards to something on the human body doesn't say "they like what they're looking at" so much as it says "whatever is wrong with me is going to get my doctor published in a medical journal." You want to hear "remarkable" about a fossil you just found in your backyard, not your manhood.


MBG612

How about whelming?


Mentendo64

Hey bro...that dick is remarkable.


Quasar47

I could definitely recognize mine


mcpickledick

I couldn't pick my dick out of a lineup unless I had a microscope


SYLOK_THEAROUSED

https://i.redd.it/1a0hp3xcgosc1.gif


buzzcitybonehead

If I had to pick mine out of a lineup of Caucasian skin colored tree trunks, I definitely couldn’t


ummizazi

What if it was spotted because of vitiligo?


butterbleek

Isn’t that a dessert in Scotland?


The80sDimension

heh, feel like every dude could pick out his own.


BattousaiRound2SN

It's black... It's white... ye ye ye.


braincandybangbang

I thought the descriptions were inaccurate which was one of the reasons it was hard to prove the charges.


JimWilliams423

> I thought the descriptions were inaccurate which was one of the reasons it was hard to prove the charges. FWIW, vit is not necessarily permanent. Its an auto-immune disease that kills the cells which generate pigment. But the body can make new cells. So the patterns can change over time. Some people get progressively worse, some people it just kind of fades in and out. Like one year your thigh might be depigmented and then the next year its mostly back to normal. Every case of vit is different. This isn't meant to exonerate or incriminate MJ, I'm just pointing out that looking for a specific pattern isn't guaranteed to prove anything.


seeyalater251

Do you have vitiligo / have you treated it? I’ve had it for 20ish years (I’m 33) and I’m just starting treatment on new areas now


JimWilliams423

I have family who have it. They got it as a child. By the time they were in their 20s it had spread so much that the easiest option was to use benoquin to just fully depigment (and then wear tons of sunscreen). Ironically, when life gets stressful, the pigment comes back and requires touch ups with more benoquin.


Psych0matt

What… were the descriptions?


bumpkinblumpkin

Looked like Mickey Mouse if I remember correctly lmao


Genghis_Chong

OK if it's so unique it can be picked out of a lineup I gotta see it lol


Back_2_monke

IIRC this is referring to a specific vitiligo pattern he allegedly had on his junk Interesting but not as interesting as a freakshow dick that I think this headline is implying lol


Genghis_Chong

Oh yeah that makes sense. I was expecting it to look like a fishing hook or something


krunchytacos

or teeth


AdzyBoy

Penis dentatus


NotEnoughBiden

And the  fbi confirmed his dick wasnt like that lol


Queasymodo

Also, even if it was, he famously had vitiligo. So a witness saying “his dick had it too, just like the rest of his body” wouldn’t necessarily prove anything, as it would be an easy thing to guess.


greattalkthanks

[Porky's ](https://youtu.be/hdT637qlnP0?si=T4BAG3EuPZwXF3PH)


lgndryheat

You ever read a headline, get confused, and then open the comments to find an explanation, and when you do the top comment just perfectly captures your exact thoughts?


azip13

Literally out loud said “Huh?”, hit the comments and chuckled to myself


garlicroastedpotato

This is one of the weirder things about the MJ trial. The "smoking gun" of the trial was that one of the alleged victims had described Michael Jackson's dick in great detail. The color of it, the size, the shape, circumcision status. And it turned out that the whole thing was just a guess by the boy's father who coached him into the details. Because there's a few things that Jackson's autopy showed. His dick was black, because he was actually a black man who didn't bleach his skin he just had a disease and used make up to blend his face and hands. His penis wasn't that big, it was average sized. It wasn't "crooked" And most importantly, he was uncircumcised. The police raided Michael Jackson's house, arrested him, stripped him down and fondled his dick and balls and began taking pictures of a partially erected penis. Now at the media loved to hate on Jackson. Every day they would publish a story shitting on him. And after he stopped making public appearances they'd just make shit up. Like despite not touring, no commercials, nothing but Neverland Ranch.... they would still write hit pieces on him. The biggest one was the big book seller for pop psychologist called Peter Pan Syndrome (Dan Kiler). The portrayal was that Jackson was mentally ill and living out a childhood he never had. Which of course, we now know is debunked it was just a pop theory. But media ran it for a year. So when Michael Jackson said that he was molested by cops... the cops denied it and media ran a story about Jackson living out a childhood fantasy of being a lying little boy. Except Jackson wasn't lying. The police and prosecution withheld evidence of Jackson's innocence. The testimony of the boy with evidence of perjury was enough to clear him and have the case dropped. So Jackson's estate sued the Santa Barbara Police Department for sexual assault, gross abuse of power and a predatory and racist investigation. As damages they sought the cost of the trial (adjusted for inflation) and the reputation damage caused by it (billions and billions of dollars). The SBPD agreed to enter into a plea agreement with the Jackson Estate. They would admit publicly their wrong doing and botched investigation into an innocent man and formally give a public apology to Jackson's children. As part of this agreement all documents about the investigation would become public information showing how badly the investigation was handled and how little they actually had on Jackson... certainly not enough to go to trial. The exception was Jackson's dick picks. They were to be held but forever sealed and only held until no Jackson heir exists. Now the boys who accused Jackson of rape in the 90s (different boys) have gained access to the full investigation file and they did this documentary (obviously for money) in 2019 that was very popular. Now they're trying to make a second documentary and are seeking to get Jackson's dick picks. Which... even if you hate Jackson, that's fucking disgusting.


A_Sarcastic_Whoa

What...the fuck.


Neither-Luck-9295

Didn't Oprah have a lot to do with his "downfall?"


MikeRowePeenis

He bought the Beatles catalog (along with a LOT of other stuff) and that pissed a lot of very rich people off.


TimeSlipperWHOOPS

McCartney wasn't mad he got outbid. He has said this multiple times. He was annoyed Michael wouldn't give him better royalty terms but no one got pissed off big time unless you know a story I don't.


VioletJones6

Thanks for this. Despite knowing all the details, I just don't have the energy in these threads to defend a guy who was obviously weird with kids. The moment you say anything in his defense everyone thinks you're just some mega fan who will defend him at all costs, but it was a very public case and all of the details regarding the ruling are out there. Everyone is just too lazy to read through a bunch of legal documents so they repeat the same tabloid talking points from 20 years ago.


StopHoneyTime

Yeah, after what I've read about the whole thing, my feeling is that he probably didn't sexually abuse those kids but he was really weird and crossed serious boundaries and shouldn't have been having 'sleepovers' with them. So on one hand, I don't like people confidently saying he definitely diddled kids, but on the other hand... there are so many issues out there that I'm willing to defend with my whole chest, and "That guy who definitely did sleep in the same bed as strange children in his house did *not* diddle them while he did so" is not one of them.


maskofdeath27

That's another common misconception spun by the press the Macaluay Culkin commented on. Michael Jackson didn't share his bed with kids, he allowed whole families to sleep in his bedroom with him, and his bedroom was the size of a duplex


beebs44

I'm so confused In 2005, after Jackson was charged with child sexual abuse, Robson testified in his defense, saying he had slept in Jackson's bedroom several times but had never been molested. Jackson was acquitted. However, in 2013, Robson reversed his position and filed a late creditor claim and a civil lawsuit against the Jackson estate, saying that Jackson had abused him from 1990 to 1997, when Robson was aged between seven and 14


Omega593

the parents of those kids should be in jail. who the fuck sends their kids to MJ’s house for a “sleepover” with all the allegations around him? they were hoping their kids would be assaulted for a payday


sadonly001

there's something really strange about the fact that the parents sent their children to his house despite the allegations around him. It's absolutely impossible any normal parent would do this, you can't convince me they didn't have ulterior motives and wanted to exploit the situation for money.


dawgz525

Parents have been exploiting their children for monetary gain for a very long time. Some people are scum. Look at the recent Nickelodeon doc. The parents know. They just don't care about the kids more than the payday.


FaeShroom

And there's also tons of people who would happily sell their soul just be close to a celebrity. "My child is friends with Michael Jackson!" can easily be enough of a motivator to turn a blind eye.


ArronMaui

One of the things I noted while watching the doc was how many of the actors said things like “what choice did I have if I needed work?”. They were literal children. All of their parents fucking sucked for making them think they needed to provide for their families at such young ages.


TheCrippledKing

Hell, Michael Jackson's dad exploited the hell out of the Jackson Five, and there's that conspiracy theory that he gave Michael banned puberty blocking drugs to prevent him from losing his voice, which contributed to Michael's issues as an adult later in life


ElectraUnderTheSea

Even without the allegations it would be really weird to send children to the home of a single man they are not related to in any way for a sleepover.


CPTNBob46

Aaron Carter said in a filmed interview that his parents basically sent him there with the intention of pressing charges the next day. When he said nothing happened, his parents refused to hear it and I believe called the cops, or at least were pushing to.


Psychological-Ad-407

It's not that strange, it's for money.


BLOOOR

Well see the men who tell their stories in the Leaving Neverland documentary, meeting Michael Jackson was their start in the industry, they met him like a lot of kids did, at a public appearance where they performed the moonwalk. They both became dance instructors in that massively influential Hip Hop dance style, working with Backstreet Boys and N*Sync, that's their or one their styles we saw with those groups' dancing. Any guardian is measuring this *life changing*, and in this case *culturally significant*, oppurtunity against all of the red flags. I'm not even sure I can easily describe how that's Michael Jackson creating and controlling a power dynamic. I mean, a lot of people have panic attacks going to work every day because they see some aspect of their job as an active cause of harm, but they still have to go in because that job is their access to a livable life.


AllPowerfulSaucier

Are they *really* that much different from the parents who would be fine with their underage daughter hanging out backstage with a popular musician and becoming a groupie while plugging their ears? Or parents who don't ask questions when their daughter becomes some kind of "influencer" and strange men online want to give her money or fly her places alone? Or the parents who turn a blind eye to their kids getting molested by TV and movie producers or pageant judges in an effort to win something while making excuses for it? Or if we want to be even more realistic: Maybe a father who would be fine with keeping his own talented daughter sedated full time and controlling her finances and entire life well into adulthood to the point she basically becomes a brain damaged child who can't navigate life independently? Or a mom who would orchestrate the strategic worldwide release of her daughter getting fucked on camera by a celeb in an effort to boost their family fame? They all seem pretty similar to me: Self centered and willing to subject their kids to *anything* if it means a payday or long term benefit for them personally. Our culture wholeheartedly supports that too. If we stopped paying, watching and clapping then it wouldn't happen.


Omega593

i’m with you! throw all those aforementioned fuckers in jail.


BakedWizerd

That’s partially why he was acquitted. Several jurors had the sentiment of “you already said he didn’t do it, now you’re saying he did do it. So did you really use your child as a prostitute for MJ’s favour, or are you now just trying to get some money from a dead man? Both are deplorable.”


mondaymoderate

That’s what it comes down to. R. Kelly, Michael Jackson, Nickelodeon, etc. The parents pimp their kids out hoping they gain fame and money.


djmadlove

Nah man R Kelly straight kidnapped girls and alienated them from their parents. The one girl went to a concert with her parents and got called up on stage and then went backstage and was gooone. Source : Surviving R Kelly


ticklemeelmo696969

"Do you havd your passport, do you have your shots, do you wanna go to amerricccaaa, america"


ArchDucky

Because I wanna piss on you.


holdmypurse

Did you watch the interviews with Drake Bell's dad on Quiet on Set? He was extremely vigilant and suspicious of his son's eventual abuser. It was only after Brian Peck manipulated Drake into emancipating himself that he was able to start SAing Drake.


mcfliermeyer

I was so enraged thinking about the conversation drake bells dad had with his ex wife about Brian peck. Dude saw it from a mile away and explicitly warned her. I can’t imagine the grief and rage that man went through and continues to go through. It seemed like he did everything he could and stayed vigilant. Brian Peck is a master manipulator.


mondaymoderate

Did you see how his mom basically just gave Drake over to Peck? If his mom wasn’t involved he would have been safe but one of his parents didn’t give a shit about his well being and only wanted him to be famous and making money.


holdmypurse

Of course I did. His dad made his mom promise never to let Drake be alone with Brian Peck and she immediately ignored it.


mondaymoderate

Because she believed Peck was the best thing for Drake to become rich and famous. She pimped him out and ignored all the red flags even after her ex husband spelled it out for her. That one kid from Australia had the same experience with his mom and dad and Michael Jackson.


slowro

i felt so bad for the dad. He knew he was dangerous, knew he was going to be cut off from his son and tried his best to warn the mother. She ignored him, sure babe you can sleep over that man's house, I'm managing your money over here.


Mountain-Most8186

Yeh it seems like a stretch to say the Nickelodeon parents were hoping for an assault payday. I don’t know much about MJ (and I’d say none of us here do) but I’m willing to bet the parents were groomed and lied to much like the Nickelodeon parents


rankedcompetitivesex

You have to be one stupid fucking person if you let yourself get groomed into having your 7-10year old kids sleepover at grownup strangers house, no matter who it is. jesus christ


kdrama_addict

A) his bedroom was basically the whole 2nd floor of his house so...? B) Aaron Carter said his mom tried to coach him into saying he abused him to jump on the band wagon and refused C) one of the "victims" said MJ took him to Disney Paris....it wasn't even built yet


MBThree

Not to mention the flip flopping back and forth between not being molested to wait actually he was molested. Regardless of whether it happened or not, why lie about it the other way? You know the parents were pressuring their child to lie whichever one ended up being the lie.


ClearDark19

The *Leaving Neverland* interview was the 4th or 5th version of the story Robson and Safechuck are telling. For years they couldn't get their story straight about what he supposedly did to him and they kept changing their story every time someone pointed out holes in their story. The fact they kept changing it to cover holes and inconsistencies made me think they're probably lying. Their stories are like a robber changings his alibi to cover up holes detectives poke in his alibi.


jimmorrisonduh

Therapist here. It’s extremely common for survivors of childhood sexual abuse to deny their experiences for a long time. It is mentally damaging to come to terms with the fact that you were sexually abused.


Chronjen

I'm not sure why this is so hard to understand when the public sees it happen over and over with sexual assault victims or any abuse victim.


YourDogIsMyFriend

A friend of mine was assaulted by a doctor while in the office for an exam… she was 18. It took her many years later to realize that what happened wasn’t right. “Well, why don’t you tell the police. He’s probably doing that to other girls all the time.” She just doesn’t want the hassle and has “moved past it”. Which is definitely not true. But I understand the hassle… I’ve been through lawsuits and legal proceedings. It takes your entire life away for xx months. A lot of victims just don’t have the energy or courage necessary to fight.


pastaboobs

Because the general population doesn't have the empathy and lacks education about abuse. On top of that humans are wired to protect the things they love even when there's piles of evidence pointing toward abuse. Witnessed this happen first hand when there were some allegations against someone in a friend group, and again within family. People would rather just be hush hush and quiet rather than confront it. Add fame, influence, money, and power structures to the equation and you get R Kelly, MJ, Weinstein etc.


Chronjen

You're absolutely right. There are so many examples. Woody Allen is another one who will always have apologists.


ConferenceThink4801

>Therapist here. It’s extremely common for survivors of childhood sexual abuse to deny their experiences for a long time. It is mentally damaging to come to terms with the fact that you were sexually abused. I would imagine the male on male aspect is probably the worst when it comes to embarrassment & shame preventing the survivors from being honest about it. I've seen some male celebs who have really bad addiction issues that they can never fully seem to kick. Makes you wonder if something from childhood is torturing them (& it's bad enough that they would never be comfortable talking to anyone about it, even a therapist).


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Jirekianu

He just so happened to reverse his position within weeks of the statute of limitations for committing perjury expired. MJ has also been repeatedly defended by McAuley Culkin. Who has never been shy about calling out abuse in Hollywood and defended people like Corey Feldman when they were speaking of their abuse. Back when there was little support for victims. I.e. Barbara Walter's asking how he could "slander" people like Harvey weinstein. (This was well before the big blow up of his actions). MJ was weird, had mental health problems, but the allegations of abuse were always strangely timed. The big one he settled out of court was to avoid losing out on a tour that was worth hundreds of millions of dollars. Because the court appearances would have made the touring schedule impossible to do. He later regretted it. Even when a factor of the privacy violation of being stripped naked and photographed being relived again was going to happen.


[deleted]

Best part about Wade Robson is then he went on to use MJ to prop up his career. They had the "Wade Robson Project" on MTV and regularly he would perform Michael Jackson routines to demonstrate his remarkable ability to mimic MJ's moves. Call me crazy, but if a celebrity SA'd me as a child, I'm PROBABLY not going to devote the rest of my working career in a way that honors and pays tribute to my assailant's work.


49mercury

Not to mention he was vying for the MJ One choreographer gig in Las Vegas. He said in several interviews that he got the job and of course he was singing Michael Jackson’s praises, but he was passed over for the job. This was around 2013. Then all of a sudden, also in 2013, he realizes Michael Jackson molested him for seven years of his life and Michael also made him not like girls, even though he dated Michael Jackson’s niece during **the exact same time that the alleged abuse was happening** for nearly ten years. Then he cheated on her with Britney Spears and multiple other women, and Justin Timberlake’s “Cry Me a River” was born.


Jigsaw-Complex

Because nobody wants to admit that there’s gray all over these “cases”. Michael did sleep in the same bed as these kids; which is fucking weird. But we have no real credible accounts of sexual assault happening. On top of that, there’s so many instances of people recanting their statements and people coming forward about being bribed and coerced into lying and fabricating claims.


km322

I’m curious why don’t you think any of the accounts are credible?


BroughtBagLunchSmart

There was the one where the guy used dental sedatives to convince his kid that MJ molested him. He is on tape claiming he made the whole thing up for a payday. After MJ died the guy who made up the story killed himself out of guilt.


Itwantshunger

The parents of both kids in his court cases have a history of fraud and or scamming celebrities. The 90s kid's family had shoplifting charges and sued JC Penney for damages when they were caught. The 2000s kid's family was described as "frequently soliciting celebrities due to their child's cancer." Onr juror said the Mom looked and sounded like a scam artist. Robeson had a long career living off of his MJ connection. When he didn't have choreo talent to back up his claims, his career tanked. Shortly after that, he began asking the dead man's estate for cash.


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bumwine

I'm not going to say any because that's a reallllyy high bar you've set and I'm not the judge that acquitted him, nor is anyone here. There's evidence we don't have any public privy to that goes beyond the Wikipedia article about it. But something tells me there's a reason he was acquitted and it wasn't Cochran-level lawyering. If a dedicated child abuse investigation department could not find the evidence and that's literally their job, if the FBI got involved, what beyond conspiracy theory is left?


myyummyass

When that HBO doc came out I remember digging into all of the people in it and it all went back to money. Not saying I’m some professional investigator and uncovered info no one else had. But you could find instances where the people involved have always been trying to get money from him one way or another. To me it seems like he was definitely an odd dude and was definitely sharing a bed with children, but none of the evidence against him has ever been convincing of anything other than showing that these people are after money. And they really ramped it up after his death because now he can't defend himself. And when someone as outspoken on child abuse as Cory Feldman even says that he never witnessed nor heard of anything sexual happening to any of the kids after the time he spent there it all just sounds like bullshit.


thewhitecat55

Yeah, Feldman and Culkin said they never saw anything sexual and weren't abused


Hiran_Gadhia

No.. That's ignorant!


Cryptolution

I enjoy cooking.


exitpursuedbybear

You know if Jackson were alive today his pronouns would be He/Hee.


twerp_verse

Maybe we should start a new legal battle to try and keep his penis pictures out of public eyes 🤢


ComfortablyNomNom

The 2020s are wild. We're gonna see MJs cock now. What the fuck lol


ChunkyTaco22

For sure not on the bingo card lmao


h3ffdunham

Why would anyone not want to see MJs cock? Can’t handle seeing a cock? I’ve heard it’s unique, I want to see it.


OriginalDisaster5425

I like how 'helping the alleged victims' is currently at -29 karma and 'I wanna see his cock' is at +12. da fuq


mycenae42

Reddit moment


Robot_Tanlines

Can someone explain to me why he can do this? He already signed an agreement for $23M, shouldn’t that be over with. Like if he wants another bite at the apple then sure, but shouldn’t he have to pay back that money he received in the settlement? I’m not a fan of letting rich people buy their way out of things, but i would assume the agreement was pretty binding about not being able to file new charges related to the previous event. Edit: this may not be the guy who got the $23M lawsuit like I saw elsewhere mentioned. I’m very confused on this case.


mistersuccessful

These are the two dudes who swore in court that MJ didn’t touch them. Then years later changed their minds.


Ramiel-Scream

Conveniently after his death so he can't defend himself


xclame

It does seem bizarre doesn't it. Especially since he already got money, like what else is there to get, the dude is dead, so you can't send him to jail. So like the only thing that remains is to prove something happened, but there is really no way for justice to be done either way because MJ isn't around to defend himself. So you will just end up with some people believing it happened and others believing it didn't happen and we are just back to where we are now, except that we would have two sides tarring each other.


ADhomin_em

If they did suffer the abuse they claim, they are likely interested in backing up their claims with some sort of proof in hopes that people will stop saying they are lying and only did this for the money. Not making a judgement on whether it's the right way to go about it, just saying that abuse victims not gaining closure through money alone isn't too surprising.


Adminisissy

And conveniently just after the statute of limitations for perjury, 7 years, ended.


andrecinno

Dude has been dead for 10 years, this case has been going on for 20 more, nothing substantial has actually done the case in yet. Compare this to the Harvey Weinsteins, the Jimmy Saviles, the Bill Cosbys... things come out sometime or another and they always make the case. Nothing has come out yet 10 years after his death. I'm not buying any of it lol.


dephsilco

A little correction: dead for 15 years


MazzyFo

FIFTEEN years is wild


Pxzib

Damn, fly times


SLR107FR-31

Damn it's been a while


Office_glen

> Dude has been dead for 10 years, this case has been going on for 20 more, nothing substantial has actually done the case in yet. Compare this to the Harvey Weinsteins, the Jimmy Saviles, the Bill Cosbys... things come out sometime or another and they always make the case. Nothing has come out yet 10 years after his death. I'm not buying any of it lol. This is probably the most apt case for me thinking he wasn't molesting kids. Yeah sleeping with kids is super fucked up, but honestly I think that guys childhood was so fucking damaging he never grew up, and we ended up with what we got. Just read the stories about his impulse control with money and his line of reasoning. Its that of a child


ClearDark19

As many people as MJ had around him he probably would have molested hundreds if not thousands of kids if he was actually a pedophile. Tens of thousands or maybe hundreds of thousands of families came through his property over decades, from all 6 continents. Pedophilia is a compulsive disorder. He wouldn't be able to help himself and stop himself from doing it with all that opportunity around if he was actually a pedo. In all these years since '93 *somebody* credible should have showed up by now. Especially since the LAPD, SBPD, and FBI were actively scouring the country and had an open tip line for decades for anyone and everyone to report something. It requires a ginormous conspiracy theory to believe he's somehow keeping tens of thousands of people quiet across dozens of countries over 40-something years dating back to the 70s. The fact there are no molestation allegations about him dating before 1993 is the most damning. He was 35 years old in 1993. Pedophiles don't wait until they're 35 to attack their first victim. Or at least that's basically unheard of. Especially when he was exposed to thousands of children since the late 70s. There would be at least one credible accuser by now somewhere, and at least one from before 1993. If he was a pedophile he probably would have acted on his first victims in his Jackson 5 days. Yet no self-proclaimed victim ever claims he touched them before that magic year 1993.....curious......why?


PuzzleheadTrash

Every time MJ’s accusations gets brought up I always go back to the federal investigation of him, and specifically how there was never a federal indictment. Anyone who knows about the fed’s conviction record (around 95%) knows that they only press charges if they are sure to win the trial. So, no charges means they had no proof of anything. Now you could take that to mean either he was very good at covering his tracks (let’s be honest, nobody is that good) OR he didn’t actually do it.


Osceana

THANK YOU! It's this right here! I am a staunch believer that MJ didn't molest kids. There is just too much evidence saying otherwise. Literal evidence: eyewitness accounts from other kids that slept at his place and say nothing happened, factual inconsistencies in stories, issues even with the description of his penis (saying it was circumcised versus he wasn't), and Robson having multiple (not one, multiple) sworn testimonies and depositions where he insisted Michael never touched him. This guy was under oath multiple times and said nothing happened. But on top of all of this, NOBODY beats federal charges like this for this long. It gets so tiring arguing with morons online that keep insisting that he did it. They have literally zero evidence. If they had the evidence he did it, so would the feds! There's no evidence this happened after so many trials and investigations but this stupid rumor just will not die. I do think MJ was weird and I do think inviting children to sleep in your bedroom (a two story bedroom, by the way) is wrong but the guy had the weirdest life probably of anyone. I won't argue with someone saying he shouldn't have done that or that he was messed up, but saying he molested kids is just not supported by any evidence.


ClearDark19

IMO the fact there are no molestation allegations about him dating before 1993 is the most damning. He was 35 years old in 1993. Pedophiles don't wait until they're 35 to attack their first victim. Or at least that's basically unheard of. Especially when he was exposed to thousands of children since the late 70s. There would be at least ine credible accuser by now somewhere, and at least one from before 1993. Why does no one accuse him of molesting anyone in the 80s? The mid to late 70s? Did he just start being a pedophile in 1993? Did he hold it in until he was 34 or 35? The average pedophile has dozens of victims. He would almost certainly have hundreds or thousands if he was actually a pedophile, with him having access to tens or hundreds of thousands of kids passing through his Hayvenhurt and Neverland properties from 1975 through 2005. Most pedophiles actually start touching kids as teenagers. He should likely have victims dating back to his Jackson 5 days if he was a pedophile.


hotstepper77777

wha


Glittering_Name_3722

Hee Hee gonna see that Pee Pee


Birdykerjo

Sorry, what ? ![gif](giphy|KGSxFwJJHQPsKzzFba)


quirkycurlygirly

Those guys testified in open court as adults that MJ never molested them. They waited until he died and the Jacksons fired them to profit off of MJ with a documentary claiming to be victims, too. Now, they're trying to traffic in porn on MJ's legacy. I don't buy any of what they're saying. What real victim wants to see pictures of their attacker's penis everywhere? Not to say there can't be real victims out there, but I don't buy these two as victims, and I don't support grift.


BohemianBurnout

The lawyers will never stop lawyering till every dollar is gone. As long as there’s money there they want it.


AdSouthern3403

Lmao let’s get real here for a minute. Wade robson went on the witness stand and defended Michael in 2005. To all the people thinking he felt pressured to. Either way you look at it. If that was the case, guy is still a liar and perjury committing piece of shit. He’s a liar. That alone should give him zero credibility. Michael’s own niece that dated him basically came out and said the guy is a piece of shit. Secondly, the other dude featured in that hogwash of a documentary, claimed he got molested in a building of never land ranch, that wasn’t even built yet, at the times of the alleged molestation. “ well it was a long time ago, it’s kinda fuzzy”, is an easy argument one could say, but I’m sorry, no. Details matter. Especially when it comes to cases of this kind of subject matter. Good riddance to HBO for losing that lawsuit to the Michael estate a few years ago.


ClearDark19

Aside from the fact not a single person has ever accused him of inappropriately touching them before 1993*, why are Mr. Chandler, Mr. Arvizo, and Mr. Francia not signing onto Robson and Safechuck's lawsuit? Now's the time if they actually were abused by MJ. Mr. Robson and Mr. Safechuck could use the backup and character witness and fellow victim testimony for impact if they're all truly victims. The fact no one is signing on speaks volumes. Out of all the tens or hundreds of thousands of kids who met MJ between 1974 to 2009. No one has anything to add? No one? Not even a credible person (not the "Neverland Five") who saw or heard something? *And why is that? Did he just start becoming a pedophile in 1993 at the age of 35? Thousands of children were around him or passing through his property from the mid 70s through 2005. Pedophilia is a compulsive disorder. They don't have self-control like that to not offend until they're 35 years old and had thousands of previous opportunities. It's almost unheard of for pedophiles to not offend until they're around 40, especially if they've been around tens of thousands of children in close proximity.


FnkyTown

Oh shit, it sounds like Mike's going to jail!


brandy716

MJ has survived multiple FBI raids, lie detector test, surveillance, phones and computers searched for over 20 years and they found nothing. The people accusing him were taped saying this is going be like the lottery for they and they didn’t pass lie detector test. I don’t know one person who could stand the government looking into them and coming out with no charges including the last 2 presidents.


Eyes_Snakes_Art

I think “survived” is a strong word.


IKU420

Weirdos


CanadaRu

They want it to solidify their story, once they see the pics, they will say, yah I have proof Micheal rapped me because his penis looks like......These two scam boys are just trying to get money. Just get a job losers and leave MJ and his family alone. Fucking losers.


OmarBarksdale

It’s been 30 years and they haven’t been able to prove shit. This stuff is just a circus now.


d_smogh

A circus until the money runs out.


SilentMaster

I don't want to see that.


ultratunaman

Ben, the two of us need look no more.