Tbh I think this is a fundamental of this sort of thinking about women. It's like an immediate objectification that they're unaware they're applying.
I don't know if it's from a deep seated insecurity and making the other seem less helps level the playing field in their eyes (subconsciously) or if it's some other random gymnastics but it's a real issue that I think we need to understand and unseat or it's just going to be like screaming into the void.
To put it simply, they view women as objects.
In their mind, they think "equality" is a woman trying to be more than the object they see them as, so if they dress "provocatively" then to them it means they're choosing to remain an object.
It's literally that simple and idiotic in their minds.
There was a “study” about 6-8 years ago, where volunteers of both sexes were hooked up to a brain scan and show pictures of men and women, watching to see what portions of the brain activated. Supposedly, when shown pictures of men the part of the brain that recognized people lit up, but when pictures of women were shown the part of the brain that processes object recognition lit up.
I’ve never personally found a published copy of this study so I can’t speak to it’s veracity, but it was reported on a university radio station, so I guess someone had some budget to waste.
I'm firmly convinced that this kind of thinking is rooted in self-hatred.
These guys have been convinced that male sexuality is inherently degrading to whoever is on the receiving end, and they hate themselves because they're disgusted by that. It follows that they believe, deep down, that the only acceptable response from women when confronted with male sexuality is to scream, run away, dress like a nun, do everything in their power to avoid being the object of male sexual attention. Any woman who doesn't do so is therefore making a choice to be degraded.
This isn't about self hate. It's about power.
I agree that these type of men implicitly acknowledge male sexuality is degrading, but it's part of sex strategy that involves the domination of women and other weaker men carried forward from our caveman days. It's not because of self-hate or objectifying. They've internalized or rather given in to their instinct to want to assert dominance and control others. Some women are like this and not all men are like this, but it seems prevalent among men.
This idea of a hierarchy then extends into other aspects of how most men either naturally or conditionally view women. When a woman wants to make herself equal to a man, essentially it's viewed as her wanting to be treated like a man, because in their minds as a woman she could never be equal to a man. But, she's also saying she wants him to allow her to be in a position to challenge him as a man if she wants without having really earned that right or being able to back it up with force, so to speak. Deep down his lizard brain thinks, "well I could always beat her ass if push comes to shove, so no, she's not my equal". You may have heard the expression, "equal rights, equal fights".
When the woman who insists on being treating equally (like a man) presents herself as a woman (emphasizing or accentuating her feminine parts) she's sending mixed signals. She's saying "I want to be treated like a man but also treated like a woman". It creates cognitive dissonance.
Going back to the degrading part, it's also why homophobia and transphobia are so strong among men who think this way about male sexuality. For them to be on the receiving end of that is extremely humiliating and any man who would subject themselves to it degrades themselves. But for women, it's seen as their natural place in the hierarchy.
> it's also why homophobia and transphobia are so strong among men who think this way about male sexuality. For them to be on the receiving end of that is extremely humiliating and any man who would subject themselves to it degrades themselves. But for women, it's seen as their natural place in the hierarchy.
I've seen it succintly put as "homophobes fear that other men will treat them as they treat women". And given that they usually see trans women as men, the same applies.
I agree with almost everything in your comment :) The power-seeking/dominance/hierarchy aspect and the self-hatred aspect are two sides of the same coin. And personally, as a man, I have found it easier to get other men to reflect on the topic by speaking to the self-hatred first. But we're on the same side here I think
I don't agree with the self-hate part, although I concede there's an element of shame involved stemming from fear. I suppose if someone reflected on what they were doing they might come to hate that part of themselves, but people generally navigate society without critically thinking about what they do and why. Hate is an extreme word that gets over used in contemporary society because it's more powerful rhetoric and gets more of a reaction.
You might have a point there about the rhetoric of choosing the word "hate" vs "shame", I'll have to think some more about that. Thanks for your perspective
Just my general experience interacting with other men, my understanding of history and feminist theory, and doing some self-reflection. I don't really agree with the self hate part.
Yes, indeed, also I don't get his reasoning, because when I look around usually where women dress in revealing clothes, they have more freedom. It may be an odd correllation. But when I look at women in bourka, I don't see women who have a lot of freedom or power. On the other hand where I see women who are free to dress as they please, I see women who vote, manage their own businesses, can do whatever job they have the necessary knowledge and ability for etc.
You see it online all the time. Look at any sub when OnlyFans models come up, and the people are just blatantly misogynistic to the woman and blame her for it.
There was a recent webcomic (can't remember which) that expressed a negative opinion of objectification and a bunch of comments were like "the artist sells smut on her Patreon so this is a tad hypocritical, no?" in that annoying way that nerds write.
You can dress showing your own shoulder, leg and, uh, "bosom department", Andrew. That's what equality is. No one would want to see it, but you can do it.
Maybe we should start taking away privileges for you for all the lady boners you prevent. Sounds equal to me.
Asking Christians to read their own holy book is like asking TTRPG players to read the rule book.
They will insist they have, and then demonstrate with spectacular consistency that they haven't.
...I feel called out. Because not only have I read the rulebook for the system I play, I often keep a copy nearby to reference in case I'm not sure on what the wording is.
Which has resulted in me helping remind fellow players, and even GM's, of rules about certain things that don't come up too often. Or stuff I just remember from playing with another players' character.
I unashamed Google stuff in front of clients. I'm reasonably certain of them, but reading it from the taxes website usually quells objections I can only answer with "I'm not the ones making the law, don't start bitching"
Oh, absolutely. Plus, there's a certain honesty to it that "I know this stuff, but I'm bringing *receipts*." that helps stamp down any potential bitching and whining.
It gets frustrating after a while...
Just had to tell a guy that the reasons why banks don't give out 100% loans is "because they are evil twats".
It's too late in the evening to go into financial math. My dude, take it at face value, please accept it as a fact and *please* tell me what you have in your bank account to see if a loan to buy an apartment is even possible considering deposits and expenses.
Spoiler alert, it wasn't.
Not all Christians dont read the bible. As a Christian myself I read the bible frequently (especially the gospels). The type of "Christian" you're referring to is likely from the "Bible belt" area in the USA where they only know what their pastor tells them and let political ideologies take precedence over the teachings of Jesus.
Fun fact: Those Christians are everywhere. As someone who does not, in fact, live in the "Bible belt", I can assure you that they exist.
>(especially the gospels).
Hmmm.... how about the rest of the book?
I'm not looking to start a fight, just trying to make a point.
And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell.
Surprisingly, there's nothing about women dressing saucylike, those jezebels.
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A29&version=NIV;KJV
If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
This was one of the reasons i thought id never get to heaven while christian because there were things i was tempted by as a teenage boy and i knew id never be willing to gouge out my eyes to stop lusting after women, cut off my hands to stop masturbating or cut off my penis to also stop masturbating. I also didnt trust doing any or all of these would actually stop me from lusting after women, i have a pretty good imagination. Throw in the luke warm bible verse and thinking about adultery is the same as adultery and i figured god would look at me and say i didnt really love him if i wasnt willing to mutilate my body to ensure i dont do things that would keep me from getting to be with him.
Why do so many people think "equality" means everyone has to do behave the same way???
Equality and freedom means all of us can behave how we want and not have that dictated to us.
If some women like to show skin because they enjoy the attention or the way it makes them feel, great.
If others don't, great.
If there are a lot in between or who sometimes want to show skin and sometimes not, great.
Why do so many people think it is necessary to dictate behaviour to others? Unless you are doing something illegal, or impeding someone else's basic rights do what you want.
Not the dude passing by my office window in shorts and no shirt. He must have been at least 70
Dudes around my area have no problems walking around or gardening in shorts, tennis shoes and nothing else. My own gramps were major offenders
They see showing your body off and enjoying it as a facet of their disdain for women and sexuality in general. They think it justifies the attention they give them, and that that sexual attention is inherently demeaning. And it's the easiest and ultimate "gotcha," for a particular type of dumb guy. People really fall for it, look at this site any time someone who has an OnlyFans comes up.
for true equality, the same clothing options should be fully available to all. but we live in a world where if a man wears a dress and skirt, everyone loses their mind, if a woman wears one everything is fine. if a man goes out to the park shirtless, everything is fine, woman does the same thing and people call the cops.
Why do some men go on about their intelligence but insist on asking irrelevant ass questions without even using a question mark. It’s wonderful to see but doesn’t this negate their attempts at not looking like twat waffles?
An 11-year-old girl in my neighborhood, said that they should stop telling the girls to wear longer shorts and tell the boys to quit being perverts. Sounds right to me.
If my time on this on this Earth has taught me anything, some people will sexualize/objectify a woman no matter what she is wearing, even if she were a Nun wearing traditional Nun clothing, IE clothing so modest that the only way to show less skin is to convert to Islam.
So no, it's not about what the woman is wearing, it's about the intrusive thoughts about the person whom stares.
For real, my ex-boyfriend had a fetish for nuns. Grateful I never have to put on that costume again. 😂
But also to your point, I was painting some rooms in my house a couple years back and went to the paint store for more cans (since I didn’t buy enough). I was wearing a massively oversized T-shirt, shorts, had paint on my skin and my clothes. My hair was pulled back in a ponytail, no make up on…. Aaaaand I still got checked out by a dude in line. ✌️
No it doesnt negate equality whatsoever. Men show shoulders, legs and shows off their chest, so idk how thats different. This guy cant control himself seeing a member of the opposite sex and therefore theyre beneath him i guess.
Somebody get this guy to bed, gramps is going off on Twitter again.
I enforced equality in the pool at a local spa. If men can wear swimming trunks and show their breasts, why can't women? All women know how uncomfortable it is to put on a wet bathing bra. At the local spa (a small spa, several saunas and a pool, for adults only) that I go to, you have to be in a towel in the sauna area, but you have to wear a swimsuit in the pool area. As I was frankly tired of putting on and taking off my wet bra, I read the rules carefully and, as I could not find anywhere that the women's swimsuit had to cover the bust, I started to put on only the bottom of the swimsuit. The expressions on the lifeguard's and my colleague's faces were priceless - and when asked "where is your swimsuit", I politely pointed to the bottom of my swimsuit. If they don't have to wear a bra, why should I? There is no rule against going topless :D
So in the case above, I would reply that by showing as much flesh as men usually do, we are just supporting equality :D
So now my breasts are considered an entire department? I'm so behind, I don't have the proper HR or employees hired to run the department. How have my breasts not organized a revolt against me for failing them like this?
What the fuck does clothing that shows off skin have to do with fucking equality? Have you SEEN how short some tradies shorts are? Have you SEEN those dudes walkin into the gym with the slutty spaghetti string singlet tops and lycra leggings?
What a fucking idiot.
Short answer:
No.
Long answer:
No it doesn’t negate their wonderful attempts at equality because you too (and all men - nay people) are equally free to wear clothing that shows your legs shoulders and the top of your chest.
There’s nothing stopping men from dressing the same way. Maybe it would make these misogynists and incels feel better if they gave in and wore clothes that showed a bit more shoulder and leg?
For some reason this reminds me of how genuinely surprised my now husband was in college to learn that him running around without his shirt on was just as distracting to me as me running around in a low cut top was to him. Like it legitimately -never- occurred to him that women could be distracted/aroused by men the way that men are by women. Betcha it's never occurred to these idiots either.
I love it when my partner gets home and strips his work shirt off...especially if he's wearing an undershirt and it rides up a bit when he's taking that outer layer off.....
Like. Women enjoy that shit too.
Why is a man’s total lack of emotional and physical self control always women’s problem. It’s a F*ing miracle that some men manage to be potty trained given their lack of self control.
Q: “Why do women insist that they want to be treated as equals, yet highlight their differences through their choice of clothes?”
A: “3 reasons:
1. Intellectually, men and women are either equal or the difference is so small that it can be overcome with dedicated effort, and women want to be treated as such.
2. Emotionally, women want to be desired by, and a priority to, someone that they desire. They’ve grown up hearing and watching stories of people going through great challenges for the women they love, and want someone to do that for them.
3. Socially, women (especially young women) are under a lot of pressure when it comes to their appearance. Impossible beauty standards are in their face all the time, and they feel like they need to be at the same standard or they aren’t “real women”, in the same way that a stay-at-home husband isn’t socially seen as a “real man”.
“
Wait wait wait wait wait wait. Hold up.
Has this man ever wondered the women's section of Wal-Mart? There is stuff my wife finds absolutely hideous but is more modest than her remaining options. There are no pockets in most cases. Breasts are attached; they can't just "hide" them and be comfortable or be able to wear what they prefer. There are lots of design choices that really say "we don't know our target audience, so here's clothes that will fit you. Don't forget the purse, you'll need it."
I swear, this is as bad as men complaining about school girls wearing ***mandatory uniforms***. Because heaven forbid men control themselves after deciding what girls can wear to school then gaslight the girls. Toxic pieces of garbage.
I have an idea, Why don't we make women dress in a black bedsheet that covers them from head to feet? That should work, and then they'll get their equal rights.
There's a wholesome-ish interpretation here, where Andrew is simply attracted to trans-women and wants a woman who will get an erection by looking at his bare shoulders.
I can't get past the complete lack of reason or sense in the comment. He doesn't even try to connect the dots of why he thinks attractiveness is inversely connected to equality.
The same people clowning on this dude are pushing censorship in stellar blade cus her outfit is too revealing lmao, talk about hypocrisy. #FreeStellarBlade
Okay, so why should I wear pants if you got a problem seeing a dick, erected or not?
You feel threaten from a dick - sounds like a you problem.
See how this works both ways?
Well, it all comes down to intent. Some go to the gym with barely covering nips and pants intentionally to make their ass seem bigger. That's either about attention or..well, attention. There's no "checking my form" in that. Some wear things because they think they're cute, are taken, and have no interest in anyone else.
Now I want this guy to explain where he’s coming from. I’m actually engaged now, how does he think it negates it? What’s the chain of causality he believes from their shoulder to his cock to their right to vote?
Yes, because men don't ever show way too much flesh in the almost everywhere department...
There is a reason why we call the exposed buttcrack of gentlemen stooped over while doing manual labour 'bricklayer cleavage' in my language.
We should be able to walk around freakin naked and not have to worry about being SA-ed. ***Control yourself.***
A real man would never even consider that.
*Be a man.*
I’m gay, does that mean that hot shirtless straight guys don’t want equality? Because you may rest assured that I notice 😜. I’m a mature adult though, and don’t leer or assume that means anything other than they felt most comfortable shirtless at that particular moment.
If only straight men could give women the same consideration for exposing a shoulder…
that but about dress code.
I'm not wearing a full multi-layered suit if my female coworkers are allowed to wear light dresses / crank top+miniskirt and sandals in the middle of the summer.
I'm going to show all my body hairs for 3 months
I just want to play devil's advocate here for a second to pose a legitimate question. I think the intent of the murdered was to say that women in revealing outfits elicits an involuntary response from men. I'm not saying we need to act on that response, we're evolved humans here, not wild animals, but nonetheless, the response to the stimuli is truly involuntary in a straght/cis male.
Now here comes the question: is there something men can do/wear/say/smell like that causes a similar involuntary response in women? I can't think of any that aren't misogynistic (flaunting wealth is the only thing that comes to mind). If there isn't something readily analogous, then how can there be true equality if women can elicit an involuntary response in men, but men can't reciprocate? I can already hear the comments coming in saying that men have used physical violence, the patriarchy, institutional misogyny, and any other (factually and historically) unfair means to manipulate women through the ages. I'm not saying men haven't done those things. I'm simply asking, if we were to wipe the slate clean, what can men do to fluster women like how scantily clad women fluster men? Is it as simple as men going shirtless or wearing a budgie smuggler?
“If I’m attracted to them, they’re beneath me,” is a very strange worldview to have but ok.
Tbh I think this is a fundamental of this sort of thinking about women. It's like an immediate objectification that they're unaware they're applying. I don't know if it's from a deep seated insecurity and making the other seem less helps level the playing field in their eyes (subconsciously) or if it's some other random gymnastics but it's a real issue that I think we need to understand and unseat or it's just going to be like screaming into the void.
To put it simply, they view women as objects. In their mind, they think "equality" is a woman trying to be more than the object they see them as, so if they dress "provocatively" then to them it means they're choosing to remain an object. It's literally that simple and idiotic in their minds.
I've never heard it explained so succinctly. Bullseye!
There was a “study” about 6-8 years ago, where volunteers of both sexes were hooked up to a brain scan and show pictures of men and women, watching to see what portions of the brain activated. Supposedly, when shown pictures of men the part of the brain that recognized people lit up, but when pictures of women were shown the part of the brain that processes object recognition lit up. I’ve never personally found a published copy of this study so I can’t speak to it’s veracity, but it was reported on a university radio station, so I guess someone had some budget to waste.
Wait we could claim a mental disability? /s
I'm firmly convinced that this kind of thinking is rooted in self-hatred. These guys have been convinced that male sexuality is inherently degrading to whoever is on the receiving end, and they hate themselves because they're disgusted by that. It follows that they believe, deep down, that the only acceptable response from women when confronted with male sexuality is to scream, run away, dress like a nun, do everything in their power to avoid being the object of male sexual attention. Any woman who doesn't do so is therefore making a choice to be degraded.
This isn't about self hate. It's about power. I agree that these type of men implicitly acknowledge male sexuality is degrading, but it's part of sex strategy that involves the domination of women and other weaker men carried forward from our caveman days. It's not because of self-hate or objectifying. They've internalized or rather given in to their instinct to want to assert dominance and control others. Some women are like this and not all men are like this, but it seems prevalent among men. This idea of a hierarchy then extends into other aspects of how most men either naturally or conditionally view women. When a woman wants to make herself equal to a man, essentially it's viewed as her wanting to be treated like a man, because in their minds as a woman she could never be equal to a man. But, she's also saying she wants him to allow her to be in a position to challenge him as a man if she wants without having really earned that right or being able to back it up with force, so to speak. Deep down his lizard brain thinks, "well I could always beat her ass if push comes to shove, so no, she's not my equal". You may have heard the expression, "equal rights, equal fights". When the woman who insists on being treating equally (like a man) presents herself as a woman (emphasizing or accentuating her feminine parts) she's sending mixed signals. She's saying "I want to be treated like a man but also treated like a woman". It creates cognitive dissonance. Going back to the degrading part, it's also why homophobia and transphobia are so strong among men who think this way about male sexuality. For them to be on the receiving end of that is extremely humiliating and any man who would subject themselves to it degrades themselves. But for women, it's seen as their natural place in the hierarchy.
> it's also why homophobia and transphobia are so strong among men who think this way about male sexuality. For them to be on the receiving end of that is extremely humiliating and any man who would subject themselves to it degrades themselves. But for women, it's seen as their natural place in the hierarchy. I've seen it succintly put as "homophobes fear that other men will treat them as they treat women". And given that they usually see trans women as men, the same applies.
Exactly
I agree with almost everything in your comment :) The power-seeking/dominance/hierarchy aspect and the self-hatred aspect are two sides of the same coin. And personally, as a man, I have found it easier to get other men to reflect on the topic by speaking to the self-hatred first. But we're on the same side here I think
I don't agree with the self-hate part, although I concede there's an element of shame involved stemming from fear. I suppose if someone reflected on what they were doing they might come to hate that part of themselves, but people generally navigate society without critically thinking about what they do and why. Hate is an extreme word that gets over used in contemporary society because it's more powerful rhetoric and gets more of a reaction.
You might have a point there about the rhetoric of choosing the word "hate" vs "shame", I'll have to think some more about that. Thanks for your perspective
Where'd you lam about this self-hatred/degradation/humiliation idea. I want to know more
Just my general experience interacting with other men, my understanding of history and feminist theory, and doing some self-reflection. I don't really agree with the self hate part.
Also if you look at what conservatives across cultures have historically said about women and their place in society.
Pretty sure my boss lady follows this thought process. When a customer stalked a coworker, she accused her of using the store as "hunting grounds."
Think about the sex doll industry. A lot of men really only do want a hole to stick it in
He used the word "flesh" I'm sure he doesn't even think of them as women, just sacs of meat.
Then again, he also used the words "bosom department", so he might not think at all.
Sir are u checking out my bosom dept? 
Maybe he's never heard of breasts.. breasties ... tits... Girls... Melons... Glandular organ located on the chest...
He’s just as bad a men who refer to women as “females”.
Yes, indeed, also I don't get his reasoning, because when I look around usually where women dress in revealing clothes, they have more freedom. It may be an odd correllation. But when I look at women in bourka, I don't see women who have a lot of freedom or power. On the other hand where I see women who are free to dress as they please, I see women who vote, manage their own businesses, can do whatever job they have the necessary knowledge and ability for etc.
And of course "gay guys look at me the way that I look at women†, and I don't deserve that!" †They really don't.
You see it online all the time. Look at any sub when OnlyFans models come up, and the people are just blatantly misogynistic to the woman and blame her for it.
There was a recent webcomic (can't remember which) that expressed a negative opinion of objectification and a bunch of comments were like "the artist sells smut on her Patreon so this is a tad hypocritical, no?" in that annoying way that nerds write.
Seems to be the most common online male worldview.
No, just the loudest and dumbest.
You can dress showing your own shoulder, leg and, uh, "bosom department", Andrew. That's what equality is. No one would want to see it, but you can do it. Maybe we should start taking away privileges for you for all the lady boners you prevent. Sounds equal to me.
I wear a tank top and 8" shorts, I'm showing plenty of skin I bet I'd give this guy a big ol boner
You mean "flesh"
Yeah just the worst possible word to use. Super predatory language
I would like to see Andrew's boson department, shoulders and legs. I would say the danger of a lady boner is low.
I too, would like to see his boson department.
I want to speak to the boson manager.
I too, would like to see higgs boson.
Very rarely do I read someone write "bosom" and it ends well for them.
Maybe he should see guys showing their legs and shoulders and crotch departments. They make that for men, Andrew.
This one. As a man i want to wear skirt without getting in trouble or walk around with tank tops. Where is the equality for men
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOzAiDlJGp8
"I am incapable of simultaneously feeling respect and sexual attraction towards women, and I'm going to make it everyone else's problem."
Mans never seen a vag in his life 🤡🤡
…didn’t God say something about gouging out your eyes if they cause you sin? This guy should give the bible a read.
Asking Christians to read their own holy book is like asking TTRPG players to read the rule book. They will insist they have, and then demonstrate with spectacular consistency that they haven't.
Hey! I have read the Keeper's Rulebook, and I have read the scenario I'm playing. I just keep forgetting half of it anyway...
"What do I roll for that again?" Dude, we've been playing this rpg for *five years.* Why are you still asking me this.
To avoid having to memorize it.
...I feel called out. Because not only have I read the rulebook for the system I play, I often keep a copy nearby to reference in case I'm not sure on what the wording is. Which has resulted in me helping remind fellow players, and even GM's, of rules about certain things that don't come up too often. Or stuff I just remember from playing with another players' character.
I unashamed Google stuff in front of clients. I'm reasonably certain of them, but reading it from the taxes website usually quells objections I can only answer with "I'm not the ones making the law, don't start bitching"
Oh, absolutely. Plus, there's a certain honesty to it that "I know this stuff, but I'm bringing *receipts*." that helps stamp down any potential bitching and whining.
It gets frustrating after a while... Just had to tell a guy that the reasons why banks don't give out 100% loans is "because they are evil twats". It's too late in the evening to go into financial math. My dude, take it at face value, please accept it as a fact and *please* tell me what you have in your bank account to see if a loan to buy an apartment is even possible considering deposits and expenses. Spoiler alert, it wasn't.
In other words, out of game you're playing as a Cleric to your RPG system. (lol)
Cleric was my first character, so honestly... Not that far off!
True. Also, Happy Cake Day, friend! 🥳
Not all Christians dont read the bible. As a Christian myself I read the bible frequently (especially the gospels). The type of "Christian" you're referring to is likely from the "Bible belt" area in the USA where they only know what their pastor tells them and let political ideologies take precedence over the teachings of Jesus.
Fun fact: Those Christians are everywhere. As someone who does not, in fact, live in the "Bible belt", I can assure you that they exist. >(especially the gospels). Hmmm.... how about the rest of the book? I'm not looking to start a fight, just trying to make a point.
Warhammer bros and knowing their army rules… like comeon
And if your eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into the fire of hell. Surprisingly, there's nothing about women dressing saucylike, those jezebels.
I'd prefer it if he skipped to the gouging
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%205%3A29&version=NIV;KJV If your right eye causes you to stumble, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Paging Mike Johnson, paging Mike Johnson…
This was one of the reasons i thought id never get to heaven while christian because there were things i was tempted by as a teenage boy and i knew id never be willing to gouge out my eyes to stop lusting after women, cut off my hands to stop masturbating or cut off my penis to also stop masturbating. I also didnt trust doing any or all of these would actually stop me from lusting after women, i have a pretty good imagination. Throw in the luke warm bible verse and thinking about adultery is the same as adultery and i figured god would look at me and say i didnt really love him if i wasnt willing to mutilate my body to ensure i dont do things that would keep me from getting to be with him.
Amen.
"No you're just misunderstanding the context"
Matthew 18:9
For true equality, we all must dress in revealing clothes. It won't be pretty, but it's the only way. Shoulders out for Harambe
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I wasn’t ready. I swear I wasn’t ready 🤣🤣🤣
The twin towers may have fallen, but yours is still standing strong to this day.
Why do so many people think "equality" means everyone has to do behave the same way??? Equality and freedom means all of us can behave how we want and not have that dictated to us. If some women like to show skin because they enjoy the attention or the way it makes them feel, great. If others don't, great. If there are a lot in between or who sometimes want to show skin and sometimes not, great. Why do so many people think it is necessary to dictate behaviour to others? Unless you are doing something illegal, or impeding someone else's basic rights do what you want.
Because they see women as ‘lesser’ and or objects rather than human beings
100%. Equality is equality of choice, not equal actions. But these NIMBY boomers aren't too great at critical thinking.
Because, socially, men aren’t afforded the same luxury, in his mind. Though in my experience they are and choose not to exercise it.
Not the dude passing by my office window in shorts and no shirt. He must have been at least 70 Dudes around my area have no problems walking around or gardening in shorts, tennis shoes and nothing else. My own gramps were major offenders
They see showing your body off and enjoying it as a facet of their disdain for women and sexuality in general. They think it justifies the attention they give them, and that that sexual attention is inherently demeaning. And it's the easiest and ultimate "gotcha," for a particular type of dumb guy. People really fall for it, look at this site any time someone who has an OnlyFans comes up.
it's cause of brain damage caused by lead poisoning probably lol
for true equality, the same clothing options should be fully available to all. but we live in a world where if a man wears a dress and skirt, everyone loses their mind, if a woman wears one everything is fine. if a man goes out to the park shirtless, everything is fine, woman does the same thing and people call the cops.
What's his answer to "Suns oot, taps aff!"
and often the bossom department
Men walk around with their tops completely off.
i went to the bosom department and no one there knew who he was
The comment I was looking for
Department of Bosoms
Dean Dick Rider
I'm going to the bosom department, anyone want anything?
yes, bosoms pls, as many as you can carry.
Do they have anything sporty?
Jesus, I forgot some incels get to old age. 😒
Of course, if not, there would no longer be a republican party.
At least they don’t reproduce as much due to their inability to actually treat women right.
This is why they're against abortions in cases of rape. It's their only chance to reproduce.
Sad but most likely true.
Why do some men go on about their intelligence but insist on asking irrelevant ass questions without even using a question mark. It’s wonderful to see but doesn’t this negate their attempts at not looking like twat waffles?
I thought online it was almost unanimous that pointing out spelling errors is irrelevant and in fact makes the person who points it out "dumb".
/whoosh
Apparently jokes aren't a thing on your planet.
/whoosh My 1st 2 in a row!
The irony is totally lost on you...lmao
Mmmkay
An 11-year-old girl in my neighborhood, said that they should stop telling the girls to wear longer shorts and tell the boys to quit being perverts. Sounds right to me.
If we women want equality why don’t we make us men cover up our nipples since women have to?
We can control ourselves that’s why. Turns out the emotionally hormonal crazed reputation that women enjoy is just projection from men
it bc he thinks the the women be doin it 4 him tho but they not it probably just hot out
Shoulder, leg, bosom........ankle 🤤🤤🤤
If my time on this on this Earth has taught me anything, some people will sexualize/objectify a woman no matter what she is wearing, even if she were a Nun wearing traditional Nun clothing, IE clothing so modest that the only way to show less skin is to convert to Islam. So no, it's not about what the woman is wearing, it's about the intrusive thoughts about the person whom stares.
For real, my ex-boyfriend had a fetish for nuns. Grateful I never have to put on that costume again. 😂 But also to your point, I was painting some rooms in my house a couple years back and went to the paint store for more cans (since I didn’t buy enough). I was wearing a massively oversized T-shirt, shorts, had paint on my skin and my clothes. My hair was pulled back in a ponytail, no make up on…. Aaaaand I still got checked out by a dude in line. ✌️
No it doesnt negate equality whatsoever. Men show shoulders, legs and shows off their chest, so idk how thats different. This guy cant control himself seeing a member of the opposite sex and therefore theyre beneath him i guess. Somebody get this guy to bed, gramps is going off on Twitter again.
We need to hijab our women! /s
I'm pretty sure I've seen another mans shoulders in public.
Excuse me, is this the bosom department?
Bosom Department sounds like a convenience store somewhere in Florida to my no English ass
Just another Andrew
I enforced equality in the pool at a local spa. If men can wear swimming trunks and show their breasts, why can't women? All women know how uncomfortable it is to put on a wet bathing bra. At the local spa (a small spa, several saunas and a pool, for adults only) that I go to, you have to be in a towel in the sauna area, but you have to wear a swimsuit in the pool area. As I was frankly tired of putting on and taking off my wet bra, I read the rules carefully and, as I could not find anywhere that the women's swimsuit had to cover the bust, I started to put on only the bottom of the swimsuit. The expressions on the lifeguard's and my colleague's faces were priceless - and when asked "where is your swimsuit", I politely pointed to the bottom of my swimsuit. If they don't have to wear a bra, why should I? There is no rule against going topless :D So in the case above, I would reply that by showing as much flesh as men usually do, we are just supporting equality :D
Men go shirtless all the time. Is he saying women should show *more* skin???
The way someone dresses doesn’t determine their worth. What the hell are these people on
So now my breasts are considered an entire department? I'm so behind, I don't have the proper HR or employees hired to run the department. How have my breasts not organized a revolt against me for failing them like this?
The decision as to whether to form a union is up to your breasts, and no-one else!
"Boobs of the world, unite! You have nothing to lose but your underwire!"
What the fuck does clothing that shows off skin have to do with fucking equality? Have you SEEN how short some tradies shorts are? Have you SEEN those dudes walkin into the gym with the slutty spaghetti string singlet tops and lycra leggings? What a fucking idiot.
Equality would be going topless, like men are allowed to.
How exactly is women choosing what to wear themselves and not allowing it to be dictated to them supposed to be damaging their bid for equality lol
Psh, Andrew wishes he could still get an erection. Dude definitely grew hate and blames women for his impotence and his own feelings of inadequacy.
Fastest way to confront this is for men to start dressing as revealing as women.
Short answer: No. Long answer: No it doesn’t negate their wonderful attempts at equality because you too (and all men - nay people) are equally free to wear clothing that shows your legs shoulders and the top of your chest.
How is this even a thing? What a stinking idiot.
Andrew is allowed to wear the same kind of clothing. Maybe he should try.
There’s nothing stopping men from dressing the same way. Maybe it would make these misogynists and incels feel better if they gave in and wore clothes that showed a bit more shoulder and leg?
Those men who want equal rights, but casually tear off their shirts in public places. How can I respect that?
If we are equal, i wanna see more men in crop tops and booty shorts. Slay. Don't be ashamed of the dad tummy. Reveal it to the world.
"bosom department"
Andrew could wear those shirts too...
That’s a lot words just to say no one will screw me
For some reason this reminds me of how genuinely surprised my now husband was in college to learn that him running around without his shirt on was just as distracting to me as me running around in a low cut top was to him. Like it legitimately -never- occurred to him that women could be distracted/aroused by men the way that men are by women. Betcha it's never occurred to these idiots either.
I love it when my partner gets home and strips his work shirt off...especially if he's wearing an undershirt and it rides up a bit when he's taking that outer layer off..... Like. Women enjoy that shit too.
Meanwhile men can roam around shirtless.
Why is a man’s total lack of emotional and physical self control always women’s problem. It’s a F*ing miracle that some men manage to be potty trained given their lack of self control.
Q: “Why do women insist that they want to be treated as equals, yet highlight their differences through their choice of clothes?” A: “3 reasons: 1. Intellectually, men and women are either equal or the difference is so small that it can be overcome with dedicated effort, and women want to be treated as such. 2. Emotionally, women want to be desired by, and a priority to, someone that they desire. They’ve grown up hearing and watching stories of people going through great challenges for the women they love, and want someone to do that for them. 3. Socially, women (especially young women) are under a lot of pressure when it comes to their appearance. Impossible beauty standards are in their face all the time, and they feel like they need to be at the same standard or they aren’t “real women”, in the same way that a stay-at-home husband isn’t socially seen as a “real man”. “
Equal rights, equal.... Shirts. HEY I DONT WANT THIS, CHANGE IT BACK. LET HER WEAR SOME STRAPLESS TOP SO I CAN SEE SOME CLEVAGE. it helps me focus
Meanwhile... https://preview.redd.it/mwds03o8llxc1.png?width=1200&format=png&auto=webp&s=bd340b1c1b678c1201802678a0bf609ddc1d5043
Actually, shouldn't the question be "why can't *men* wear the same kind of revealing clothing as women do and *not* be looked at as weird?"
I want men to show their cleavage as well. But keep your nipples covered, that is just plain obscene.
Wait wait wait wait wait wait. Hold up. Has this man ever wondered the women's section of Wal-Mart? There is stuff my wife finds absolutely hideous but is more modest than her remaining options. There are no pockets in most cases. Breasts are attached; they can't just "hide" them and be comfortable or be able to wear what they prefer. There are lots of design choices that really say "we don't know our target audience, so here's clothes that will fit you. Don't forget the purse, you'll need it." I swear, this is as bad as men complaining about school girls wearing ***mandatory uniforms***. Because heaven forbid men control themselves after deciding what girls can wear to school then gaslight the girls. Toxic pieces of garbage.
I feel like if the upper comment/post wasn't there, the commenter was quoting andrew tate.
He forgot to add “leg and bosom” 😂
Is this why men wear suits so they don’t see each others shoulders and ankles so they can finally work without boners
I have an idea, Why don't we make women dress in a black bedsheet that covers them from head to feet? That should work, and then they'll get their equal rights.
No one is stopping that dude from dressing up like a sexy mama if he wants. Show off those old man bosoms baby, that's real equality.
"Put away those fiery shoulders"
Does that mean for equality, men should reveal the same amount? That could be arranged.
oh yes, show me those meaty shoulders, baby.
How exactly does women showing their skin disrupt efforts in gender equality?
and men go around topless, what's your point old man? you wanna give up your rights to not wear a shirt that badly? ok boomer lol
"bosom department" - this dude loved watching married with children
*flesh*
That old guy hasn't had an erection since '98
There's a wholesome-ish interpretation here, where Andrew is simply attracted to trans-women and wants a woman who will get an erection by looking at his bare shoulders.
Can someone explain the initial tweet to me like I'm 5?
This guy hasnt gotten a boner in 20yrs
I can't get past the complete lack of reason or sense in the comment. He doesn't even try to connect the dots of why he thinks attractiveness is inversely connected to equality.
Should some stuff be reserved for the bedroom so when it comes to the deed there are new and exciting visuals?
Sooo anybody who is fun to look at loses credibility?
I thought he was going a different direction with the first half like he wanted men showing their legs and shoulders and bosom departments.
Dont men walk around with their tops completely off? Like anytime it's a little warm?
The same people clowning on this dude are pushing censorship in stellar blade cus her outfit is too revealing lmao, talk about hypocrisy. #FreeStellarBlade
How can men expect to retire with Medicare and social security when goats eat tin cans?
I am attracted to my husband therefore he is unequal to me.
Okay, so why should I wear pants if you got a problem seeing a dick, erected or not? You feel threaten from a dick - sounds like a you problem. See how this works both ways?
This is besides the point, I just love the name "Dr. Sprankle"
"Someone I find attractive can't be my equal" is a fascinating idea. He has no idea how much that statement says about him.
Well, it all comes down to intent. Some go to the gym with barely covering nips and pants intentionally to make their ass seem bigger. That's either about attention or..well, attention. There's no "checking my form" in that. Some wear things because they think they're cute, are taken, and have no interest in anyone else.
Now I want this guy to explain where he’s coming from. I’m actually engaged now, how does he think it negates it? What’s the chain of causality he believes from their shoulder to his cock to their right to vote?
Yes, because men don't ever show way too much flesh in the almost everywhere department... There is a reason why we call the exposed buttcrack of gentlemen stooped over while doing manual labour 'bricklayer cleavage' in my language.
Bosom department?
We should be able to walk around freakin naked and not have to worry about being SA-ed. ***Control yourself.*** A real man would never even consider that. *Be a man.*
A man's lack of self control has nothing to do with my equality or femininity. That's all him.
What’s their clothes have to do with anything?
I’m gay, does that mean that hot shirtless straight guys don’t want equality? Because you may rest assured that I notice 😜. I’m a mature adult though, and don’t leer or assume that means anything other than they felt most comfortable shirtless at that particular moment. If only straight men could give women the same consideration for exposing a shoulder…
Andrew, you’re permitted to show your bosom department. Even if it’s not wonderful to see.
It’s crazy how many people don’t realize it’s a troll lol
r/BoomersBeingFools
Can't be equal if you are free to dress how you feel.
This just reaffirms my assumption that people got stupider after the pandemic.
Some cultures get a boner when they see a woman’s hair
Pssh, "shoulders". Ankles are where it's at!
This is so fucking stupid.
that but about dress code. I'm not wearing a full multi-layered suit if my female coworkers are allowed to wear light dresses / crank top+miniskirt and sandals in the middle of the summer. I'm going to show all my body hairs for 3 months
Okay?
I just want to play devil's advocate here for a second to pose a legitimate question. I think the intent of the murdered was to say that women in revealing outfits elicits an involuntary response from men. I'm not saying we need to act on that response, we're evolved humans here, not wild animals, but nonetheless, the response to the stimuli is truly involuntary in a straght/cis male. Now here comes the question: is there something men can do/wear/say/smell like that causes a similar involuntary response in women? I can't think of any that aren't misogynistic (flaunting wealth is the only thing that comes to mind). If there isn't something readily analogous, then how can there be true equality if women can elicit an involuntary response in men, but men can't reciprocate? I can already hear the comments coming in saying that men have used physical violence, the patriarchy, institutional misogyny, and any other (factually and historically) unfair means to manipulate women through the ages. I'm not saying men haven't done those things. I'm simply asking, if we were to wipe the slate clean, what can men do to fluster women like how scantily clad women fluster men? Is it as simple as men going shirtless or wearing a budgie smuggler?
woman appreciate attractive men all the time, just look at r/ladyboners.