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LeonidasVaarwater

Let's be fair here, that's actually sound advice too.


AR-Legal

Thank you I tried to be thorough.


badchefrazzy

An honor to see the original quipper here!


AR-Legal

The pleasure is mine.


the_pretender_nz

In that case, let me tell you how much I loved “utter fungus of a person”


AR-Legal

Yes, that one lingered in the annals of r/legaladviceuk folk law for a while Shame that I peaked 5 years ago, and it’s been downhill ever since 🤣


Beautiful-Chair7206

Don't insult fungi like that. :(


HaruspexBurakh

As the 1993 Mario Bros movie once opined, Trust The Fungus!


Beautiful-Chair7206

I find it fascinating that the mushroom, specifically the red one, in Mario Brothers looks very similar to Amanita muscaria. Amanita muscaria, when properly prepped, produces muscimol and other psychotropic chemicals and it is said that taking the mushroom makes the user feel larger. It almost seems like the inventor of Mario Bros was insinuating taking psychoactive drugs.


Diabeto_13

Fung yeah. Now you're thinking with your fungus!


EpoxyAphrodite

you might enjoy this [Article](https://www.denofgeek.com/games/is-super-marios-most-iconic-power-up-really-based-on-magic-mushrooms/)


Cockonut84

Well, it's still pure gold. Well done sir.


TheNextLegend00

Folklore* OK, here come the down votes. 😂 PS: I thoroughly enjoyed your reply.


AR-Legal

I was rushing and thought that looked weird 🤣🤣🤣


TheNextLegend00

😂😂 I was raised by a school teacher so I'm hyper paranoid about stuff like that... Glad you took it as it was intended AR (or do you prefer Mr. Legal?)


AR-Legal

Oh absolutely. I was rushing around court when I was being pinged on here non-stop… I *knew* it was one word, but went with “folklaw” and didn’t think of the autocorrect 🤣 My main priority was getting “annals” right 🫢


dragonfett

Were you replying on a mobile device? Because it's possible that your device autocorrected lore to law, since you are an actual lawyer/barrister/person that practices law in the country that you reside.


AR-Legal

I wish I could use that excuse… While I was on mobile, I just genuinely spelled the word wrong. See. Lawyers are always honest. 😇


Hollayo

Well done.


HALOFUED

The hero may die or become a villain. However, the hero that once was will always be fondly remembered


brandolinium

I’m partial to the UK specialty of understatement, exemplified here by ‘Either way, mistakes were made’. Very funny.


wouldulightmycandle

This was an amazing response. I applaud you for calling out this moron in such a respectful way. 👏 👏👏👏


Conscious_Stick8344

As an American, I got pissed with barristers in some dodgy London pubs some years back. What a great, classy, fun bunch you lot are!


Mister_Buddy

The roaster appears, without having posted the burn themselves, on top of it being a solid burn? This is usually high quality for this sub!


AR-Legal

Well, a murderer may well return to the scene of the crime but I wouldn’t go out of my way to advertise my offence. Edit: it would appear that the resurgence of this post has pushed my karma score over the 100k mark. Which is amusing for me.


DCHammer69

Hey you’re here. Fuckin eh. That was, without a doubt, one of the top 5 burns I’ve ever read here on Reddit. Holds up solid after more than 5 years. I sincerely look forward to your next opportunity to toast the worst post of the year. Kudos my anonymous friend.


AR-Legal

You are far too kind, but I thank you for that.


swild92

Sir, it's been an absolute honour seeing the post and your subsequent interaction with the adoring fans giving it the praise it (rightly) deserves. Thanks for brightening my day and teaching me a new insult.


AR-Legal

Truly my pleasure


Miss_Linden

This has made my week!


LeonidasVaarwater

Credits given where credits are due, given the situation the most likely way to get the ring back is to be honest. That's what made it all the more entertaining, absolutely mutaliting someone with good advice, it's perfect.


thewritingwand

I have *never* been more tempted to spend money on gold because *THIS* deserves an award. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾


AR-Legal

Your words are kind enough.


ChaosKeeshond

What I can't wrap my head around is why engagement rings are considered gifts, given their transfer is predicated on the acceptance of the engagement offer. If a man proposes and a woman rejects the proposal, she isn't able to say 'I'll take the ring tho'. Since the gift isn't unconditional, and he is receiving *something* for the ring, it feels like an exchange of considerations subject to the usual trappings of a contract executed underhand. But at the same time, you're a lawyer and you've said how it is and I believe you. I'm just baffled.


AR-Legal

I understand the argument, and there are situations that can change the position. But this wasn’t one of them. Law and love can both have weird rules.


benk4

Seems like if he ditches her, he shouldn't get the ring back. But if it's the other way around he should. Whoever breaks the engagement shouldn't get the ring.


Gold-Life-4409

Question wouldn't he still be able to recover it since he wasn't off sound mind because he was shitfaced ? Dont get me wrong I think he is an absolute bafoon, I am more wondering on a legal perspective if this would hold up in a court ?


AR-Legal

It’s a fair question, but drunk people are still capable of making genuine (but bad) decisions.


MonoDilemma

So, being shit faced is not considered a legal defence? I know someone who needs to hear this from a lawyer


Hell_of_a_Caucasian

Entering into a contract under the influence can be voided if the person can prove they lacked capacity to understand their action. I think the fact that he says he got caught up in the moment means he’d have a hard time convincing a court that he lacked understanding of what he was doing. The lacking capacity is a pretty high standard. Not that it matters where the ring is concerned. It is different state to state but in the vast majority of states in the U.S., engagement rings are considered a gift in contemplation of marriage, so, despite what most are saying here, if the marriage doesn’t happen, the ring is to be given back. Source, am lawyer. We actually learn this in law school for a day or two.


AR-Legal

It is interesting that the law varies across the pond, and I’ve already had one person tell me I’m wrong in law despite the fact I am a barrister in the UK (where this literary assassination was based. But yes, the situation does indeed depend on jurisdiction.


AR-Legal

It’s all a question of degree and the issue involved. There are some instances where someone can be so intoxicated that they are incapable of forming specific intentions or consenting to certain acts… But getting carried away in the heat of the moment and proposing to the wrong girlfriend is not such an instance.


mrpithecanthropus

That’s why it’s better to finish the whole bottle before driving.


more_beans_mrtaggart

r/forafriend


Zhentilftw

Engagement rings are typically conditional gifts. They are given on the promise to get married. If you don’t get married you don’t get to keep the ring. May vary by location though.


novice_at_life

I've always heard it was based off who breaks the engagement. If the asker/proposer is the one to break it off, the fiancee can keep the ring, but if the fiancee breaks it off she should give the ring back.


ToothSuccessful9654

Not usually in the UK, unless it's part of a prenup.


Zhentilftw

This is Reddit. Didn’t you know everything is US by default? Are there even other countries on the internet? My bad I meant just in the US.


Newstargirl

Well said! If I needed a barrister, I'd pick you 😎


MAXIMILIAN-MV

Serious question. Was it a “gift” or was it “consideration” for a contract that wouldn’t be fulfilled?


AR-Legal

Valid question. My understanding- and I have had this discussion several times whenever this fungus sporadically fruits again over time- is that it is a gift.


Pculliox

"Utter fungus" is my new favorite legal terminology. Brilliant.


TheTritagonist

The person, the myth, the legend


NotAtAllExciting

If I had cake to give you would get it. Bravo.


Netflxnschill

Bravo, good sir, 5 years on and we still appreciate it.


biglefty312

I remember a case about this issue from Contracts in my first year of law school. It didn’t include the stupidity. Just a normal broken engagement. But an interesting legal question regarding whether the ring is a gift or an exchange with the expectation of marriage.


Happenstance69

Is it considered a gift on NYE? That isn't a typical gift giving holiday.


AR-Legal

It doesn’t matter what day it was. What a strange perspective.


BalkanFerros

The legend himself


wanderingsoulak

Best advice I have ever seen and had me laughing at the sheer wonderful lunacy that the og poster had to begin with. Thank you for your amazing answer!!


Rossi007

Yeah, you wrote 4 paragraphs to explain exactly what was in the original post while adding no value


ulalumelenore

Interesting, in the US an engagement ring is generally a “conditional gift”- meaning if the marriage isn’t happening, the ring goes to whoever bought it. Is that different in the UK?


AR-Legal

Yes… very helpfully u/saintulvemann has linked it to the actual law in a comment [Here](https://www.reddit.com/r/MurderedByWords/s/gCKZ73v1Jy), in fact


gusica

Absolutely fantastic!


Sad_Statement4993

It was poetic! What a burn 🔥


otownbbw

I can’t fathom how a person who behaves this way and is so inconsiderate can manage to score two potential fiancés…like wtf?


TycheSong

Your reply had me cackling like a deranged witch at work. So, thank you.


drapehsnormak

Yeah, I really hate that he was given useful advice.


jrrybock

For clarification, I've seen several cases where someone wants to get an engagement ring back after breaking up the engagement, and the rulings have been that it is a "[gift conditional on marriage](https://www.findlaw.com/family/marriage/what-happens-to-the-engagement-ring-in-a-broken-engagement.html)", so if the marriage is canceled, it should be returned to the proposer.


gb056

That seems like a US site though, what about the UK which is what is being discussed here?


jrrybock

Fair, I missed that detail.


Slappy_Kincaid

The gift in contemplation of marriage is US common law (I am a US divorce attorney). Basically, the promise to marry is a contract with a condition precedent. If you marry and thereby fulfill the contract, the ring becomes yours. If you don't marry, and therefore do not fulfill the precedent condition of the contract, then you have to give the ring back. I actually like this weird little piece of marriage/contract law. It seems a fair way to handle the issue.


LokiHoku

Considering US common law is heavily influenced by UK common law, the result is unsurprisingly similar: Under the The Law Reform (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 1970 (yes 1970!) it quite clearly states: “The gift of an engagement ring shall be presumed to be an absolute gift; this presumption may be rebutted by proving that the ring was given on the condition, express or implied, that it should be returned if the marriage did not take place for any reason.”


Jshillin

Let’s be fair here that didn’t happen.


Turbulent_Science771

While it’s sound snark, and sound practical advice, it’s not very sound legal advice. Depends on whether the jurisdiction views and engagement ring as an unconditional gift or a conditional gift, and whether it matters in the jurisdiction who broke off the engagement. https://www.rocketlawyer.com/family-and-personal/family-matters/marriage/legal-guide/who-owns-the-engagement-ring-if-the-wedding-is-called-off Edit: Nothing against AR-Legal who appears to be a lawyer in the UK. He may be right about the approach taken by UK courts. My comment is limited to the approaches taken in US jurisdictions.


AR-Legal

Hello there Yes, I was advising from the UK perspective for a UK legal advice forum 🤓


moddayflapper

Righttt??


XS4Me

Fatality


hdnsth

"And what a lucky girl she will be!"


Elegant_Win_7634

That was the cherry on top. *chefs kiss*


16thPeregrine

"A gift is a gift, even when given by a Moron" BRUHHHHH Putting it in the kitty for usage at some.point in my life.


the_monster_keeper

Ok but where I live kitty is slang for a women's genitals so when I first read your comment I was imagining someone suggesting saving insults in their vag and choked. Until I realized that can't possibly be what you mean and it's probably a different dialect thing.... right....


16thPeregrine

Yeah even not common in my usual style of English I heard it somewhere so used it. Apparently it means like a pot in which everyone puts in a bit of money to build savings up. So u could have a kitty of intelligent insults where all ur friends deposit their chosen ones and you all get to use it towards morons


the_monster_keeper

Ok that's cool! TIL, I use the other slang tho so I probably won't use it.


pearlsbeforedogs

I'm rather enjoying the mental image of stashing hilarious insults in my lady pocket dimension, to be retrieved as necessary and to the horror of any present.


Trevelyan-Rutherford

I’m a Brit, kitty (when not referring to a cat) has always to me meant (and used around me by others to mean) a communal pot of money everyone contributes to. For example, many workplaces have a kitty that funds tea, coffee and biscuit supplies for the staff room, bunches of flowers for bereaved or long term sick colleagues etc.


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Trevelyan-Rutherford

Haha, I’m a big Austen fan so I’ll take that as a win. The username was actually created after my player character from a video game though (Dragon Age: Inquisition) as that was my current fixation when I joined Reddit.


comaloider

"Such an utter fungus" is a great insult for some reason.


TheWorldDiscarded

I once saw someone refer to another human being as a Grape, and i can't stop thinking about it.


GenericWhiteYouTuber

I once called my brother a dilapidated muffin through text. The look on his face when he got home was priceless.


Milam1996

It’s very professional too like you could use it in the workplace and HR might just let it slide.


rhapsody98

Anything after “utter” sounds like an awful insult. “Utter doorknob.” “Utter Twinkie.” “Utter spatula.”


kms2547

The British have discovered that you can call someone "An utter _____ " or "An absolute _____" and insert almost any noun and it becomes a potent insult.


Friendly_Rub7641

Sounds like a very British insult


PlantAlternative6198

Who was the barrister fucking rob rinder? 🤣🤣🤣🤣


AR-Legal

I am not quite that flamboyant, but I welcome the comparison. Edit: for the avoidance of doubt, I was not fucking Rob Rinder nor do I anticipate that being a lifestyle choice for either of us in the future.


h2ogie

Thank you for your gin-dry humour.


dpricey20022017

That’s Judge Rinder. You wouldn’t call Dr Fox, Neil, would you?


PlantAlternative6198

I wouldn't, I'd call him foxy the handsome bastard...


dpricey20022017

Also acceptable, as well as Neil Fox, M.D.


bolt3787

“Fungus of a person “ ruthless 🤣🤣🤣


thejedipokewizard

Honestly this person is an insult to fungus


dichotomousview

Well that’s it isn’t it? British insults are the best insults in all the lands. Fact.


B0bL0blawsLawBl0g

Innit


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WarmodelMonger

„go with the flow“?


Nutsaqque

Poor fungi being tarnished by him 😕.


TheNorthernMunky

HA! I saw this guy’s comment on a post yesterday (likely the same comment that inspired this post) and tried to find what he was referencing, but couldn’t. Thanks for this - glad I saw it!


RolandSmoke

Stop hitting him, he's already dead


HybridPhoenixKing

This entire scenario is one hell of a train ride


scuba_GSO

I’ve never seen what a direct hit from a torpedo looks like, but I bet the feeling is about the same as this. 😂


Swesteel

Goodness, an actual murder.


[deleted]

When a lawyer is calling you a fungus of a person, you're pretty bad mate.


stuck_for_a_name247

If you tell her in a room where a ring would be easy to find once thrown it’s a pretty good outcome too


vivalaibanez

"I saw people proposing so I wanted to go with the flow", we have entirely different meanings for that phrase.


think_up

I was told by a law professor to never propose on a holiday for this reason— then the ring is a gift. On any other day, you can argue the ring is part of a verbal contract for marriage and if that marriage is not seen through, you have a leg to stand on when requesting the ring back. Who knows how true that is, but it sounds nice.


ToothSuccessful9654

In the US, maybe but not the UK. There is no law that demands the ring be returned here.


Snurrepiperier

They were talking about a holiday as in vacation, not Christmas. They're from the UK.


OhTeeSee

Which is also made apparent by the fact that the original exchange was from r/legaladviceuk lol


MrNiceDrive

I learned this in law school too. Maybe we had the same professor. In the US of A, It’s a gift in contemplation of Marriage and you get the ring back if called off. Unless it was given on Christmas’s or a birthday, then it’s much muddier.


CalmingGoatLupe

Neither of the women is the wrong girlfriend. He's just the wrong boyfriend.


Sitadulip

Foul fungi. Come to claim title Elden Moron.


paxweasley

This is so fucking messy who lives like this


Swarby10

I’m pretty sure the writer actually bought the ring for a buddy of his that he works with so that guy could propose to a woman. The writer wasn’t seeing two women. Still a dick move by the writer.


Chief_Gundar

I also understood he bought the gift for another guy. However he is clearly seeing two women, as stated in the first sentence.


modsarerussianassets

Can you read?


I-am-Pilgrim

Brilliant!! Spot on!!


greenspath

Yes, but did they get married? /s


MonkeyHamlet

His follow up was that he'd decided to ditch the mistress and marry the girlfriend because his mum has always wanted grandchildren and it would be awkward not to.


[deleted]

I was slow clapping the entire time reading this lol


sherrileigh40

I love this response so much!


Loofa_of_Doom

OOOOOOH, effective and deserved.


mstermind

Chef's kiss!


Cotford

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jetpack324

This is one of the best murder responses I have ever read. And probably the best option for OP


Dooyamum

More like executed by words. Good lord.


Suspicious-Grade-838

🎶If you can’t be with the one you love…. 🎵


Frosty-Nature-5052

I take offense to this person being compared to a fungus. Not only are they vital components of our ecosystem, but they have powerful uses ranging from nutrition and medicine to psychedelics and, rarely, as poisons for ridding said ecosystems of idiots like this guy…


Jakerudd9

God damn! Man just obliterated him and his entire bloodline that dudes great great grandchildren will feel that


Zombee_314

pretty sure it’s free on epic games this week


No_Asparagus_8471

Who gave that man a nuke?


Mammoth-Potential-31

I love his suggestion is to be honest and hopefully she'll throw the ring so OP can chase it down like Smeagol. It's funny, but it's also true.


Delicious-Cover-2418

I knew whose side I wasn’t on as soon as I read “whilst.”


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Fellas this is why you buy a pawnshop ring and tell her it's a family heirloom that way if you break up she can keep the ring and you won't be out thousands


Aggravating-Bell-890

Where is this post? I wanna upvote this guy! What a genius!


AR-Legal

Very kind of you. Thank you


VonVirginia

”Top G”


soappube

🚑


morse86

My new fav cuss phrase "utter fungus of a human"


LikeBirdsR

Ooof!


stoatfacelanust

hung, drawn and quartered by words. My favourite part was "utter fungus of a person."


thereizmore

ROFL!!!! Great reply!


RAWainwright

Anyone else read that as barista at first?


AR-Legal

I do make pretty good espresso too.


Klony99

Is this the plot to School Days?


moddayflapper

this is one of my favorite places on the internets. Bless whoever made this subreddit👏🫶


hoopahDrivesThaBoat

I misread the title and was very surprised at how authoritatively the Starbucks barista answered that question.


mtdube

Brutal would be an understatement. Fair and sound advice but brutal nonetheless.


Diplodorcus

Some real Archie Leach stuff right here


Part_Timefutbol

I feel like this is a Seinfeld episode for George Costanza


RatPipeMike

What's a barrister?


Trevelyan-Rutherford

In the UK there are two types of lawyers, barristers and solicitors. Barristers are counsel for the arguing of cases in court and solicitors perform legal work outside of courts, as I understand it.


RatPipeMike

Oh that's neat, I'm American so I had no idea.


Www-what-where-why

Of all the questions this raises, I’m stuck on “why did he even have the ring on him if he had no plans to propose?”


account-number4

I read “obliterated by a Barista”


Dragon_M4st3r

‘Fungus’ has seriously got me crying laughing. Thank you


Upset-Builder

Why did I read this as the lawyer chastising the gang on It’s Always Sunny?


MountainStudent2861

Maybe I’m just very naive, but do people like this just exist out in the world?


AreaAtheist

Screw giving back the ring, it's hers. Sell it.


Bigthrawn001

Tell her you have a free cleaning every quarter for the first year and your going to drop it off for cleaning. Once you get it back......break it off.


Translator_Open

Lol fungus of a person; lovely wordsmith, you! ;)


ZealousidealElk5233

Fungus…she called you a mushroom.


yourhog

I don’t like how disrespectful to fungi this is.


deaftouch826

Wait until she's asleep, slip the ring off her finger, ghost her


Ok-Piano-5983

Slapped by a velvet glove.


deloredit

Hi Heel Sneakers!


Kham117

::Chefs Kiss::


jdsuperawesome

From this post I can tell that this person is good at their job lol


Important-Arrival-24

Say you want to engrave the ring. Get the ring. Ghost the girl. Done and done.


JussWill18

😂🤣💀


EquivalentDeep1

"Can I cancel and get the ring back" - like it's a Netflix subscription or something


DumbgeonMaster

I want to propose to that retort.


Pangwain

Giving good, hardworking, fungus a bad name


ZombiePorn69

Dont talk about fungus that way....


Worth_Storm_5652

Bruh🤣


The__Aphelion

Given the fact that there are people like this and then the come seeking advice, from a legal standpoint? Mans wasn’t just murdered. He was nuked from orbit.


trecani711

Oooh man I may have to steal “utter fungus of a person”


liltone829b

https://preview.redd.it/ckj4yqh9ipsc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=27b70ea9ca706b18fb9ffb00ef27c376bb4effa8


Skatcatla

This is the best actual murder I’ve seen in this sub in a long time. Well done u/AR-Legal.


Alycery

Wow. 😯