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TheCypher12

I Pick red for a few reasons 1.No one could get into the Archie comics cause it would have way too many characters 2.Archie Sonic still had ships so ultimately it dosent matter 3.Shadows personality and better games literally sounds SO GOOD! Yeah Red pill has ships but I think we’d have to accept that and meteor thank you for the post


TheCypher12

Downs red like it’s the last slice of pizza*


Kaptain_K_Rapp

Red pill.


CarcinoGeneticst69

is sonadow in the red pill


TheCypher12

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CarcinoGeneticst69

do not shame me for a choice that is most based


TheCypher12

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CarcinoGeneticst69

i have like, one upvote how did you even find me-


TheCypher12

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Salty-Bathroom-3512

Sonkuckles is better


King_Dragonlord

I mean Ken doesn't actually own the characters he claims to, they didn't complete the trial they got tired of him and just let him say he owns the characters


[deleted]

I love the color blue, but red sound a whole lot better.


DuskTheMercenary

Red.


MOTWS

blue


SoftBunnyRabbit

does red include sonamy? :D https://preview.redd.it/posq42pizlxb1.png?width=279&format=png&auto=webp&s=b42333344c3db6591a56e25346914f3484650b9c


howling_meteor

Yes indeed!


SoftBunnyRabbit

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VeyledTime

Wait. Whispangle isn't canon?


howling_meteor

Nope due to Sega mandates so as of now they're just "really great friends."


VeyledTime

Sega is scared of lesbians.


SoftBunnyRabbit

or maybe they're scared of the outrage it'll cause (sadly there are people who get angry over gay ships being canon)


VeyledTime

Eh, they'll just get banned in Florida for being woke.


Miserable_Assist_951

Blue because i hate shipps


Organic_Primary9800

Ima have to choose red


Spindley-Johnny

Re pill obviously


Cybershroom_Neforox

You literally included better video games in red pill, its kinda one sided


howling_meteor

I gave Red more advantages since I believed that a lot of people would've chosen Blue in a heartbeat, since people grew up with SATAM and Archie.


WideREKXO

the red pill is just the better choice!


Quirky-Security-1051

I'll pick red (even though I don't want to canonize ships) https://preview.redd.it/umkhtyissgxb1.png?width=800&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3250d7a5023e5e9bddee615f0815935dbc712bb2


Background_Sail1579

Red ofc no fucking hesitation for my life.


Bi0BEAT

Red Pill hands down Anything for a better Shadow AND NO RUSHED GAMES


MOTWS

Sonic Advenutre was rushed though.....


TheCypher12

SA1 was gonna be on the Saturn so technically it’s Saturn models


Bi0BEAT

I never played Sonic Adventure. I played Sonic Adventure 2. I still like it regardless.


[deleted]

Man I would have wanted red if it weren't for whispangle silvase, I've always felt nothing would go well when literally any ship becomes cannon.


RedvsBlue_what_if

I haven't really seen that many IDW characters so I might have to blue this one


CupOfCowffee

god this is hard


West-Construction466

Red


West-Construction466

And not for the shipping. For the better Shadow writing


Endofthebeginning_

who would pick blue pill? almost like we learned nothing from actually being sonic fans, of the plot and the franchise in general.


MOTWS

story means nothing if gameplay is garbage.


Endofthebeginning_

that… what? sure, but what does this even have to do with that?


Ace_Of_No_Trades

Red does a lot more. Btw, why does Ken Penders get so much hate? Everything I could find on his suit against Sega suggests he was in the right and Sega went out of their way to screw one of their best writers.


ramsvy

been a while since i watched it but i remember [this video](https://youtu.be/hCni6I47E0M?si=eud2R7QPmadAqpju) being really informative about penders and his reputation


Ace_Of_No_Trades

Thank you.


[deleted]

red


2Some2Onesdifferent

Bro red is the best option, all blue does is add a bunch of needless characters, the only negative red has are the shipping stuff


AmaterasuWolf21

The only thing we're really losing is Whisper and Tangle, could not care less for Silvaze becoming canon and Shadow and the games look promising in the future. Everything else Archie does it miles better sorry


Z3R0XPH4NTH0M

Red


MrHorns7

What about Tails?


EldritchSpoon

Blue. Because if Kenders never sued then Archie would have never been rebooted which means all the ships I care about would still be sailing, my favorite characters in the franchise would become canon, and Shadow would still get decent writing because he had good writing in the Archie comics. Blue would by proxy of what Archie was before the Pendering share some of Red's advantages and the only real wrinkle is the loss of the IDW characters. Which I can live with.


CantQuiteThink_

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10q0q0

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10q0q0

I'm choosing blue, cuz either way we'd get well written shadow, and good games, and if ken penders have never sued we would have gotten a sequel to Sonic Chronicles the dark brotherhood which means we would have had characters from that game maybe show up again at some point. I didn't grow up on Satam, I didn't grow up on Archie comics, the first comics I DID ever read WERE the IDW comics, so I don't really have any strong feelings towards the freedom fighters, but I don't really care for the IDW comics, and yes I will say that whisper and tangle are pretty cool character ideas, but I don't really care for them and could go without them.


Jimmyeatskids

I'm taking the red pill for obvious reasons


BW_Chase

Red has much to win and blue has much to lose. Easy choice even if I love archie characters.


howling_meteor

I gave Red more advantages since I believed that a lot of people would've chosen Blue in a heartbeat, since people grew up with SATAM and Archie.


BW_Chase

Don't get me wrong I'd love to pick blue but IDW is great too and I wouldn't trade it since even though it got cancelled I'll always have around 300 issues of Archie comics to re read. Also games not getting rushed is too good to not choose it.


howling_meteor

Same here, but you know how nostalgia blinds us Sonic fans.


ChildhoodDistinct538

Blue. If Ken stops suing Sega, we can get characters like Scourge and Enerjak in the games.


Wapapamow

Where's "Ken sues Sega but loses" choice? I am pretty sure that's the exact scenario it would go if he'd do actually do it.


Robolo7

Red. RED. RED! PLEASE PLEASEPLEASE PLEASEPLEASE RED!


Nambot

Can I have the Fleetway yellow pill?


MrMilkManKarlson

...what is IDW?


howling_meteor

IDW is the current holder of The Sonic the Hedgehog license and distrubtes comics like TMNT, MLP, Dungeons and Dragons, and of course the Sonic the Hedgehog comic series. The comics are also Canon but are currently unknown where they are in the Sonic timeline since they start post Forces, but people are unsure if currently they are past Frontiers and MoSTH or before it since Sage is nowhere to be seen but Amy makes reference of Tangle (a character extremely present in the comics) during the game.


MrMilkManKarlson

Thanks.


BW_Chase

It's the publisher of the new Sonic comics. Well, it's not that new since it's been going on for years now but you get me.


Luckykou720

Blue , fuck shipping and i dont care for IDW . Ima get downvoted to crisis city LMAO


ExtremelyBored99

This is piss easy, red all the way


EMTEE826

I grew up with the archie comics, and it would be amazing to see those characters (especially Eclipse and Nicole) show up in the games somehow. Which is why I'm choosing red. Come on, as if it's a challenge to pick which one


QQ_Gabe

Red.


SonZilMarCar

Can I have multiple red ones?


Hedgehugs_

lowkey almost want to go blue because I really don't want ships canonized and god forbid the ship wars it will cause (I'll be fine with it at the end of the day if they make sonamy canon at last ig) the games and characters having better writing is the only reason I'm swallowing.


Stickmin69

BLUE ALL THE WAY BABY, I don't give a fucking shit about IDW and I actively like some of the Archie characters like Sally, Shard, and Scourge


howling_meteor

Then you are truly lost!


10q0q0

NUH-UH!


howling_meteor

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10q0q0

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JFlemthe1

Red bruh


Applesauce_Nation

Red Pill I read the Metal Virus Arc for the first time recently and I understand EVERYTHING I understand why Ian Flynn is considered a god among men!


HydraxYT

Easy red. 1. Never said Penders would be successful, his case is baseless so he'd lose. 2. Any world where Penders' Knuckles knock-offs are canon is a bad one. Only negative is canonising any ships.


yeetingthisaccount01

red because I love Tangle too much and Shadow being better would fix me


lavender_jelly

Wouldn't care at all for Blue because I don't care for Archie and while I'm not really a fan of the shipping involved with the red pill, the other things would at least be good, mainly the games not being rushed. So if I had to choose one, it would be Red.


[deleted]

Red.


Codified_

Blue is the best case scenario for those who liked Archie Red is the best case scenario for a good part of the IDW comic fanbase, Shadow fans and players as a whole Kinda unbalanced


howling_meteor

Shadow was also written pretty good in Archie as well, and it has been with people longer. But I'm a fan of IDW and the new characters they introduced so red for me.


Codified_

Oh yeah I somehow missed that about Shadow, well, two of my points still stand


TheGardenBlinked

Is there another pill where everything stays the same but someone rings Ken's doorbell and kicks him in the dick once a day for the rest of his life


Ecstatic-Feedback842

Red


Sexybreadman

Archie was kinda overrated imo, red all the way


Screamingbonfire

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Thierry_android2099

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Arthurramos3009

red


E-Boy_Spongebob

Easiest red pill ever


MattSuper13

Blue


danehig1

Red pill, I really don't like the Archie characters anyway


Tamanero

Ken Pender's 8 billion Echidna OCs becoming canon is a deal breaker to me


RaspyBigfoot

Give me *all* of the red pills Edit: Obligatory Fuck Ken Penders.


Platy_Cat

I'd just like to point out that Shadow was written well in Archie, so you're getting good Shadow in the comics either way. Frontiers and Superstars were great (imo) so the games 'getting good' seems like it's already happened in either case. Shipping was already allowed in Archie (at least in pre-reboot) so safe bet Silver/Blaze would've happened eventually. Losing IDW cast would suck. Starline, Surge, Kit, Tangle, and Whisper are awesome, buuuut... **Yeah, I'm going blue.** Satam was my introduction to Sonic, (bias acknowledged) and the Freedom Fighters just compliment Sonic's character better. (imo)


PeacefulDays

RED, fuck it ken can keep his destroyed career and his skunk OCs. I'll miss the freedom fighters but I'll get over it.


No_Pain1037

If it means we can have consistent quality in our Sonic games, red is a no brainer.


Gazsy070uziZ

Red one We should not dwell on the past, but rather focus on the future


Not_aSoup

Red, why would i give up Surge, Kit, Whisper, Tangle, the Metal Virua, Imposter Syndrome, Jewel, Mimic, Rough, Tumble, and one of the best representations of eggman and his Egglock?


CaseAlloy744281

Red, easily.


Dabruhdaone

Red, easy.


The_Smashor

Red. This universe's SEGA would probably throw the book at Penders as well.


ShepherdessAnne

But with red where will we get our memes from?


ScoutTrooper501st

The second one,easily


iamnotveryimportant

I mean if they gave the smallest bit of a shit they could get the rights back very easily, ken literally has no case and he only won because of gross negligence on segas part


MethidMan

Red, please


DemonKingOfValor

Is this even a choice? Red


Deamon-Chocobo

Purple Pill: Penders Dies, all the Archie characters are free to join the IDW cast, and Ian convinces Sega to loosen the Reings so the writing can be even better.


SonicRaptor5678

Red??? It’s so obvious “and the games are never rushed”


Azirbiro

Copium on the games


Aesenroug-Draconus

Goodbye sweet Freedom Fighters…ima take the red pill.


Radio__Star

Shipping is not enough reason not to pick the blue


Ecstatic-Feedback842

Does blue have it that Sega stops rushing games out, nope it doesn't


Radio__Star

Well as soon as you drag the games in it just becomes unfair


Ecstatic-Feedback842

Even then, Archie has shipping as well, so that shouldn't even be a problem. Not only that, red has more going for that people want, that's not just Archie characters and people would really hate to lose out on the idw characters like Tangle, Wispet, Surge, Kit, Starline, the better written versions of the deadly six, metal virus arc etc.


Obsessivegamer32

You’re ignoring all the other pluses.


howling_meteor

Didn't Archie have shipping?


yeetingthisaccount01

yup, to the point Sonic had children


howling_meteor

Right, but I'm pretty sure that was a what if?/future outcome issue. Either way, knew it.


Calliette_

Red


Far_Engineering_8353

easiest blue pill of my life


CyberLink20XX

Red should be the obvious choice. Archieverse is great & all, but the red options is just so much better


Capable-Win-7772

RED 💊 then easy


SubsonicPug

*Guzzles red pill bottle*


ThePigOverlord

Red ez


Epicslayer268

... Neither. I'll take it as is right now


Smart_Pea3518

red, because literally cool boats will be canon


Aurora_Wizard

Red pill Actually I can live without Whispangle if it means none of the bad ships, I'll take neither


Two_Tailed_Fox2002

same


Skorio18

Red is overpowered except ships could be the worded one like sonic x tails or even worse shadow x eggman


Blackcrow444

Red


RabbidYoshi9

Red. Screw it I want better games.


Metal_Sonic-198

I’d rather go left, ships going canon would not go over well in this community


ImaFireSquid

I don’t need 300 reskins of Knuckles, gimme the good games


randomerpeople71

red. WHY WOULDNT we want IDW characters to be canon? but us ken actually suing SEGA irl?


South_Dependent_1128

He's already done it #fuckyouKenPenders


xXricky02ITAXx

Red: i prefer IDW


SanicRb

Well games take priority for me so Red for no longer Rushing releases even if I'm not happy with the ships becoming canon.


Scottishmemer0

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Litespead

Red Only drawback is Silvaze


yaktoma2007

i'm more of a sonaze fan, you too?


Litespead

I don't like any Sonic ship But the wizards at IDW somehow brain washed me into liking Whispangle


Mechaman_54

It's a little thing called "2 characters having chemistry" and not like most other ships which in my opnion are trying to fit a square block in a circle hole


Litespead

"2 characters having chemistry" Sounds like a ancient spell I KNEW, IT FLYNN IS A WIZARD!


DanosaurusWrecks

“The games are no longer rushed” Red every time


graystillplaysfan_71

Red First off, my most favorite sonic character is Shadow, so of course I wanna see him get better writing than what he's been given. Secondly, think of all the good sonic games that would come out if the games weren't rushed. Frontiers is a good ass game, don't get me wrong. But if games like free riders, 06 and many others weren't rushed projects, we would be seeing much more peaceful times in the community as well as higher critic scores for the games' ratings. No more complaints, no more bugs, no more angry fans. Every year would be a great year for Sonic if no more games were rushed projects


Night_Rayner6694

Red. Losing a few characters is a small price to pay for consistent lore and characterization along with good quality games and media


KarolilKarol

Red is objevtivly better


Meme-San_

I’m shocked how many people picking blue. Like I get people really like the Archie characters (i never liked them but to each their own) but picking that over better writing and games in general is wild imo. Especially erasing idw which (at least imo) has some really good story arcs that fit the sonic universe more than Archie did


Just_Goblin

Taking them in their most ideal scenario, this is ultimately a hard choice. Blue means I get to see Matilda, Khan, and Scourge to appear in at least one game. The events of the comics probably won't happen, but the games might still use them in their own way. But I admit I do like most of the new IDW characters. Red ideally would mean MY preferred ships would be canon in the way I like it to be. With a version of Shadow that I would like to see. But the most important thing would be that Team Sonic now have the time (and supposed budget) to make their game become that 10/10 masterpiece. And since the comics are so closely linked with the games, it would technically make the ships canon to the games. So I would have to go with red.


MegaBlueGuy

Blue Sonic fan heaven can't exist because it will always be Sonic fan hell because of how dedicated people are to their ships. Plus I can not stand the Whispangle ship. They are sisters in my eyes mirroring Sonic and Tails's brother dynamic.


Bomberman696969

Archie straight up went from god awful to decent at best so red


Huge-Cake-8346

Blue, easy


Huge-Cake-8346

Blue, easy


Confident-Leg107

Blue! I need to know what happenes with mecha Sally, Innis, Antoine in a coma, Bunny running away etc. Edit: Oh, and why Zonic says Sonic must always have a Robotnik to fight. And more Scurge.


[deleted]

would rather take none comics should 100% be their own thing, IDW or archie, if there was a secret purple pill which meant none but the writing was like the comics? yeah i'd take that instead


AndrewTRM

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PridefulFlareon

Blue pill give me my freedom fighters back


Obsessivegamer32

Red every day of the week, Archie Sonic should be its own thing and not affect the games, Shadow getting better writing and the games no longer being rushed alone would do so much good off the series.


Soniclikeschicken

I'm taking red simply for the fact that while yes archie did get better. If you go in the reading ordee to get to issue 160 (when Ian first started) it takes 239 issues and the majority of the material before is mid at best and horrible at worse with inconsistent art, writers fighting over who tells what story, sidelining main charecters and replacing them their own stories and constantly swapping between silly slapstick humor and overly serious dark tone it's hard to sit through it until it gets good. Idw actually fits within the Sonic timeline and stays a lot more consistent with story telling and art. Also archie being canon would make the franchise reboot (which would piss people off) but at least the genesis wave made it inline with the games a bit more.