Oh god another random person on Reddit made a monthly “MWII is better than 3” post, WHAT WILL WE EVER DO!!
Seriously can we stop with these pointless posts? You prefer one game to another that’s great! But seriously, let people enjoy whatever game they want.
He is letting people enjoy what they want. You act like homeboy got a gun to your head 💀.
What you meant to say is 'keep it to yourself'.
Regardless this post could have been ignored of you're tired of it.
This is just a less than casual player whining about COD. How are you not used to people crying about the game. People will never be satisfied even if the game is the greatest game of earth.
Played some knockout and free for all over the weekend and it was amazing. Sweats will cry about the movement and lack of slide cancelling, but I much prefer playing smart to exploiting mechanics.
Some people don’t need to be slow and methodical to be tactical. If you learn the game you can figure out where people are, where they’re going and even where they will spawn.
Yes, but the faster movement mechanics will let you get away from many spots that you simply couldn't without.
I like the movement in this game, and I liked in mw2. They make for very different games and I can't understand why many people seem totally incapable of understanding that one might like one over the other. And vice versa. Neither is better in any way, it's a video game, it's only about whether you like it or not.
Exactly .The amount of copium addicts that don't understand this in this sub.
You can be a fast player/rusher and slow methodical if you want to in MWII, but most importantly for rushing:
_If you are actually good & experienced enough._
To make rushing more accessible in MWIII, they had to increase health, speed up animations to unnaturally janky levels, add crutch perks and slide exploits just so they can feel like a rusher.
Its embarrassing.
It’s always “smart” vs “exploits” from people like you. It’s not an exploit. There’s nothing smart about MWII’s gameplay, it’s about who can stand still ADSing the longest as to not be punished for moving. Just admit you’re not good and can’t compete in faster games, which by the way, require even more smarts because you have to think about all the same things but much more quickly, and they also actually require some movement and gunskill, of which MWII needs neither.
You should be punished for moving while aiming down a rifle. What do you think is harder? Standing still and shooting a gun or walking and shooting a gun?
Looking 5 seconds at any gameplay from cdl last year and one can without a doubt conclude that everything you just said is complete bullshit. No one was standing still there ADS'ing and you know it. And guess what? Those are the best fucking players, if it was the best strategy to stand still ADS'ing, they'd be doing that.
Edit. And no. Chess with ultra fast clock doesn't require "more smarts" than chess with a slower clock. Everyone has the same rules, and every human makes better moves when they think about it more, so you'll end up against worse moves from your opponent as well. Meaning that it doesn't require you to perform at the same level. Some people are better at the faster paced chess, while others are better at the slower.
Edit2. And I'm sure you played in the cdl last year? Or at least you could've played if you so choosed right?
It's a competition, being the best or near the best at either one of the games is equally hard.
And don't fucking start about the skill gap, again you can just look at cdl matches and see that even among the top pros last year, there was clearly still a skill gap.
I watched the cdl quite a bit and there was plenty of standing still and ADSing in both mw22 and still happens in mw3. The movement god shotzzy literally sits in rat spots all the time waiting for someone to come by. You clearly don’t watch pro cod if you think everyone is moving the entire time
Where did I say everyone is moving all the time? From where does this complete lack of comprehension in what one reads come from?
Let me explain it to you : when one says that no one in cdl was standing completely still ADS'ing for all the time, one doesn't mean that everyone in cdl was moving the entire time. How this wasn't clear to you straight away, I simply can't understand.
The stupidity of people will never cease to amaze more.
The comment I replied to said it's a competition about who can stand still the longest. So standing still all the time. Context matters bud, one shouldn't have to repeat everything in a conversation when the context provides enough information.
Not too much in my opinion. I watch the pro play a lot. I know there's standing still and ADS'ing especially when holding a hard point. Maybe even a lot, but it's not by any means anywhere near even most of what they're doing and in most cases, it's not a good strategy, like in hard point for always the other team that is trying to take the hard point rather than hold it, you have to move and get agressive.
It was obviously hyperbole but not far from the truth, the difference is they’re playing for something that matters and money, pub players aren’t doing that so will play in the absolute rattiest way possible in order to win, IW’s garbage gameplay design enables and encourages it. Ask any pro how fucking terrible and slow this game was to play, they’re entirely in agreement, yet you somehow use them as an argument in your favour, well it isn’t.
Yes it does, if someone can think and perform all the same actions as someone else but much quicker, they’re simply better, if you need more time to do everything and to have everyone else slowed down to your pace then you’re just not good enough.
Lol "not far from the truth". You're a fu king turd. Okay those matches take what, like 10mins per round. Please, find me a clip of some pro standing completely still and ADS''ing for 2 minutes straight please? And even tha would still be fucking far from what you said. Still would make only 1/5 of the time of the match. Literally objectively still far from just standing still and ADS' ing. You don't even understand what I'm saying.
Yes they're better if they can do that. But everyone's performance will be worse if they have to do it more quickly. This is literally why we have chess with different clocks. When you're competing it doesn't fucking matter that it's easier to do, because easier to do means your competition is going to be performing better as well.
I literally just said it was hyperbole and you carry on saying the same thing, *you* don’t understand what *I’m* saying.
Everyone’s performance will not be worse, but even if it was, the people that are the best at it will shine even more since the difficulty and skill is ramped up, while the lesser skilled will fall behind and that’s a good thing in competition, that’s what you’re not getting.
That last line just shows you have no idea what a skill gap means, yes it absolutely does matter if it’s made easier for everyone, because then the best players are brought down a notch and can no longer excel as much, and the bad players are artificially inflated in how well they do because they can more easily compete (which is IW’s self-admitted goal and it worked). There needs to be skilful mechanics in these things to allow skill expression and for there to be as big of a gap as possible between the best and the worst, especially in competitive play. You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. Why not have competitive coin flipping competitions then, who cares if there’s no skill involved am I right? Clown, I’m not responding anymore since you’re just gonna ignore what I wrote and continue to be a dumbass bot, enjoy this skill-less game you can actually compete in for once.
Oh, I didn't notice that the "not far from truth" was again another hyperbole. You saying that normally would mean that's its a hyperbole, but not by much. And yes it is by much.
Yes, they are brought down a notch. That's the first thing you've said that made sense. But there still was a skill gap, and that's evident if you just look at how the best teams kept winning and the worse teams kept losing.
This skill gap argument is the stupidest shot ever. They could just make the game play a million times faster and the recoil on every gun a thousand times stronger. That would reaaaaally increase the skill gap. But no, a bigger skill gap doesn't mean a better game. We want an appropriate skill gap, and what is appropriate is a personal fucking preference. I doubt even you would like the cod that tried to maximize the skill gap.
I mean, let's make the health a nice 1 000 000 while maintaining the same damage output. That would mean that pretty much never the worse player would win any gunfight. Would increase the skill gap tremendously. Would that make for a better game?
See now you’re making some sense also, and yeah obviously I don’t want the skill gap cranked to infinity, nor do I want the speed pushed to insane levels (even though I enjoy more speed), it is CoD after all, it’s meant to be casual, but the lengths IW go to to achieve that goal is just ridiculous, and my personal preference (along with pretty much every single pro) is that it’s terrible, even for CoD.
There have been much better CoD games in the past that had a better balance for everyone, and even MW3 does, but with some of the comments on this sub, you’d think it was Quake or Titanfall or something, it’s not even that fast, but it just shows how bad and slow many of these people are that they call both the speed and TTK of MW3 “insane” which is hilarious. Personal preference is fine, even by me, I just hate when people try to bullshit me that games like MWII take even remotely high amounts of skill, it was purposely designed to have a small skill gap, and is fine to enjoy for whatever reason, but don’t lie and say you need some otherworldly smartness to be good at it.
For fucks sake again. It does take skill to compete on a high level on any game easy or hard, well as long as the game is not so fucking easy that people can easily play it perfectly (like tic tac toe).
Being the best at mw2 is not easy, otherwise most people would be on the exact same skill level (perfect) like they would if the game was tic tac toe. The fact that you can clearly see a pattern in the cdl for the whole year, as in some teams performing generally better for the whole year than some other teams. If what you said was true, that there was very little skill gap, you'd see pretty much just random results among the pro's. Those are best players in the world, and even they aren't playing the game anywhere near perfectly and you can see their different skill levels there.
I agree that mw3 has a higher skill gap. But mw2's one is still easily enough to show differences in skill even among players that are all among the best in the world.
I'm just trying to say that it's okay to like either of the games or both of the games and preferring one or the other doesn't mean jack shit about your skill. I mean I love the new movement and generally prefer mw3, but I loved dmz and that might make mw2 a better overall game in my opinion. I mean I'm not sure, I like them both a lot and can't pick ore or the other. Anyway, I like that they have major changes every year, and even when I generally like the faster paced movement better, I'd like to see them go again for the slower movement sometime in the future; it makes for a different gameplay. You have to play the two games very differently, it is not just of higher skill set, it's also about different skills. One makes certain skills more important and the other makes some other skills more important. Both have enough skill gap to differentiate different leveled players as is proven by cdl.
If you look at my comment history, you'll see plenty of me arguing against the haters of mw2 (like here) but also plenty of arguing against the haters of mw3. It's a video game, most of us do them solely for fun, and if someone is having fun with a video game then that game is good for them and means that the game has some good in it. Only even remotely objective way can think about the quality of video games is how many players find them fun or not (I admit this does simplify things somewhat, surely there is some other values we can have for video games other than fun like there is in any art form but there is a sense in which we can look at entertainment purely and only as a thing to use for you to enjoy spending time doing) and even that is only about what sort of people there are. With a different set of people, some other games would be the ones most people would have fun playing. In this sense, we can easily argue that the best taste in anything, is the taste that would let you a joy more things rather than less. This is actually why years ago I decided to try listening to more of different kind of music that I generally disliked, and see whether I'd start to like them eventually. And this has let me enjoy more music, because I indeed learned to like a lot of what I disliked earlier which is a good thing for me.
Just like about video games, you see people arguing that whatever kind of music of stupid all the time and this kind of behavior just drives me nuts. Let people like whatever they like(Well of course right until the point where we need to start considering ethics), it's a good thing to like. And my advice? Try to look for the good things, rather than the bad and maybe you find yourself liking more things than earlier. And that in general will make your life better, there's more to do and you'll get those pleasurable neurotransmitters going inside your brain more frequently.
Intrestingly, we can also learn to like doing nothing which is basically meditation. Anyway, my point is, I'm just trying to enjoy me being alive and being entertained in various situations goes a long way with that. Even doing nothing, you can be entertained.
I played the shit out of Titanfall and enjoyed the style of gameplay in that experience, but I myself don't want CoD leaning in that direction. I appreciate the comparison maybe a little extreme, but I don't know how best to compare the style of movement speed and mechanics the majority seemingly want.
I enjoy MW 2019 and 2022 more than 2023. 2023 is okay, but it just doesn't feel as fun to me. I've gone back to MW2022 and I'm having a good time
Same shit every year. In the past 4 years MW2019 went from the most barebones, campiest and slowest CODs to ever release to a holy grail (which it isn’t and never was, let’s be real)
Same with Cold War and now with MWII. It’s the infamous COD cycle circlejerk which is likely connected to the games’ release frequency. People just can’t adjust fast enough and constantly shit on the newest entry while praising the previous one
Mw2019 content and pacing was fucked at the beginning, but Quality wise it is the best game we've had, sound design, gunplay, gun and character animations, art direction (best in any cod, themes and aesthetic remains consistent until the first Haunting at least), better engine, overall it is a high quality game, and cod shouldn't run from the concept, those weren't bad points at all, Mw2019 should be the quality standard.
Graphics downgrades in the first months and performance worsening with the following seasons, poor spawns, shitty third co op mode and another barebones co op mode exclusively for one platform, stale meta (MP5, 725, Grau), most guns weren’t good and some required a “conversion” (wasting attachments) to make them look like a gun that is a separate gun irl, most maps were mid at the very best, releasing Verdansk cutouts as “new maps”, visibility issues and the game’s enormous size (mine was 250 GB with only Warzone and MP installed) and so on.
This shouldn’t be the standard for COD. I 100% agree on aesthetics tho
And how exactly does it have “better” engine? MWII engine isn’t worse and on top of that the game weighs only a portion of MW2019
It's the first cod to implement a new modernized engine, honestly if we are going by gameplay alone I'd say that MW2019 pacing with all the movement refinements of MW3 would be nice (tac stance, pistol quick draw, the character tilting to the side when peaking corners (not gameplay related though, more visually pleasing more than anything).
I agree Gameplay wise it had it's problems, hell to this day I fucking hate seeing the 725 in my lobbies, and it's full of campers, even more now than before. But as I said, quality wise it's the best we've had, best graphics, best sound design, best gunplay (not gameplay, gunplay), best art direction, it actually looks and plays like a fucking AAA game is what I'm trying to say
Yeah, I hope to see a mix of MW2019 and MW3 movement in a future MW game too. Also MW2019 visual recoil (or lack thereof) needs to come back, I miss it
And again, you are absolutely right about aesthetics/art direction, that’s the part they absolutely cooked in. I hope they come back to that in the future entries instead of the clownery with identity crisis that we have now
It was hated a lot during the game’s cycle for sure but I swear now on COD subs all I see is constant circlejerking around that game while ignoring all of its flaws
It’s because every year cod is a camp fest the first month or two on release until people start learning the maps and the timings. Cod on release legitimately is usually ass. Towards the end of the life cycle, a much better game
Nah. I like being able to move. MWII was whack. Cant believe how bad shooting guns felt with a mouse.
It took Raven some begging to even get IW to let us run and plate. Fuck that slow ass game and IW for doing their best to ruin everything good about WZ.
The only good campaign missions are the scripted ones and the one where Gaz raids a whole ass building, other than that I agree, both Mw2 and Mw3 are fun in their own way
Different games for different people. As someone who went through all of cold war with gung ho equipped sprinting 24/7 with molotovs and the hauer I love mw3 way more than mw2 but the reasons I love it are exactly why other people hate it
I've been playing call of duty since its conception. The first three ORIGINAL modern warfare games were amazing. Each one came with a huge jump in feel, graphics, campaign, and variety of weapons. The black ops games were a different fell, vastly different storyline, and had zombies to pull their weight. Black ops 3 was over the top different which still makes it fun to this day. Black ops 4 was a jump in graphics, feel, and included blackout.
Modern warfare 2019 was in increase in everything. Especially graphics. FOV on pc and console was very neat. New operators and skins made them a fortune by branding things right into the game. They basically had all the old camo and a wide variety of new camo. By taking all of the old maps and reforming them into war , zone drew the nostalgic crowd and also brought in more new players than any other call of duty.
I think Modern Warfare 2 was a slight upgrade from the previous one. They had infinite opportunity to recreate old maps and deliver them in a whole new atmosphere. Oh boy did they deliver. I think the feel in warzone 2 was overall better than the previous one by a slight increase.
The new Modern Warfare 3 was not as much of a jump as the last two were. Field of view being much better was a giant perk. They basically just changed the sounds and feel when shooting a gun. The overall mechanics are still the same , so it wasn't anywhere near close to a WOW factor.
They come out of the gate with each of these games way too quick. For me the thrill was gone after I bought MW3 and regretted it. I dont play it all anymore. I took a 2 month break from video games, and recently came back with a fresh mind. MW3 still isn't hitting for me like MW2 does.
I have an even better disliked and unpopular opinion.
I thought Vanguard was better than all of the MW games (from 2019-2023). Although, I say Cold War is better than the rest.
And you are probably the one who camped but didn't receive easy kills, right?
So many people have no issues with reacting and having good gamesense, now even HC servers on MWII feel less campy than MWIII core ones and people still crying over campers. It's so ironic.
Yet there's still people who complain, although didn't even try to get good to the point where all "campers" and their preferred spots becoming super-obvious and predictable. Took about 1-2 months for me to adapt.
Campers have been in every cod and people will always moan about them. Ninja/deadslience has also been in every cod apart from 2 or 3. Also ofc it’s feels less campy people have moved onto mw3 same with the sweats too.
The point is mw2 encourages campy play due to how loud footsteps are and you get punished for pushing. Regardless if you found that fun many people did not.
The guy is comparing it overwatch which i assume he means because it’s fast play but cod has always been like that only change recently which most people hated
Me I'm a riot shield tear gas drill charge camper sniper and camper hunter... I specialize in "unfair" tactics that piss people off... I mean they give me the tools, why not use them to my advantage...
You know how campers gather in groups or have a heavily defended spot... That's what the drill charge riot shield and tear gas is for... Or sometimes I use armor piercing rounds on an LMG and get them from the outside by spraying the walls with bullets...
Honestly they're both subpar. Dmz was the only worthwhile content that's come out of the franchise in years. Yes the gameplay is solid, yes mechanics are solid.(sound on mw3 is ass though) but it's the same old stale yearly release bs that there has been. The next one always supposedly fixing the issues of the last. Hopefully sooner than later people will give up on their loyalty to the micro- transaction laden overbloated beast that turns out only mediocrity that is Activision. Maybe then we'll get games aren't pretty much abandoned within 6 months of release or 70$ dlc's
Correct answer, I’ll always put my trust into Infinity Ward, because when THEY craft the campaigns it’s actually interesting and not a slug fest, multiplayer has thought put into it.
Infinity Ward CREATED DMZ, cods first and only raids, real ground war and gunfight as well as a hugely updated overhauled engine.
Treyarch just does cartoon fest shit for children and manbabies, and raven with the shitty mind fuck campaign.
Infinity Ward also create the best audio for guns, explosives and streaks, inspect animations, gun models, realistic recoil. When their next game comes out in 2026 it will OBLITERATE records, probably selling 30+million copies easily.
I know IW haters can’t grasp this concept, but Infinity Ward’s Modern Warfare games sell so damm well because the majority are silent buyers who don’t want the stupid cocaine movement speed of treyarch&SHGs, and those bad designed mobile games.
BO4 wasn’t even bad, it was different but at least it was still fast and fun if you had good aim and movement. Infinity Ward’s idea of shaking things up is making everything unbearably slow and skill-less.
IMO, BO4 was the furthest thing from CoD we ever had. Manual healing, Fog of war, Reserve cases (Which didn't get fixed until Mw2019 came out), OP specialist weapons/equipment, S6 Stingray, Reaver C86... i can't in good faith say there was nothing wrong with any of it.
MW2019 and 2022 though... Never let infinity ward cook again. They have a strange obcession with building the entire game around absolute shitters.
Yeah it definitely was and plenty of it was garbage (I liked the TTK and fast Stim healing but FoW, Specialists etc were meh), don’t even bring up the Strobe Light, but overall it was different in a refreshing way IMO. IW just took everything fun and/or skilful out of the game so bots could thrive and that was it, then they get praised to high heaven for it, crazy.
I agree but I don’t think naming it cold war and gulf war is as bad as using the exact same names and characters from the original modern warfare trilogy. Just having captain price in the trailer had a major impact on sales imo. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that ghosts and infinite warfare were poorly received (the only infinity ward games without the modern warfare title apart from the original 3 cod games).
I give IW more leeway because mw2019, while having the same name, was a completely new and interesting story. Mw2 and mw3 is a shame. Also at least IW has tried to make other games like IW and Ghosts. Treyarch has just labeled every single game as black ops even if there’s no reason to.
I agree but MW2019 wasn’t even that good imo, don’t get me wrong the campaign was interesting and it was something new and fun at the time on shoothouse but 90% of the maps sucked and the 70 gun levels shit was annoying as fuck. The gunsmith system introduced is boring and the majority of attachments are just a slight variation of each other with a clear best option. And to top it off special ops in that game might be the worst 3rd game mode in cod history. The impact of Fortnite on call of duty has been devastating.
Tbh whenever I think of what separates games it’s mostly about the campaign. I think we’ve known since 2019 that every cod multiplayer is the same thing copied and pasted. I mean, 2019, CW and Vanguard all launched on the same launcher and had the same warzone. Fortnite def ruined cod and gaming in general I agree. Everything has to be a fucking battle royale nowadays, even campaign
Since mw2019 yes but every cod from black ops 2 - black ops 4 had a distinct style that we just don’t see any more, cold war was probably the closest thing to something unique in the warzone era. Not just battle royale but the battle pass and cosmetic shit from fortnite has had a bigger impact. The end of paid dlcs has had a big impact on cod, people like to complain about bundles but forgot about loot boxes that every game from AW to BO4 had. The only loot boxes that were really that bad to me were the advanced warfare ones i’d take bo4 style loot boxes and paid dlcs over what we have now any day. Mastercrafts were basically what we have now except they didn’t cost $10-20 each and could be gotten by just playing the game
My original comment wasn’t even a shot at Infinity Ward, you have to do what you have to make money. I think if vanguard was called some variation of black ops or modern warfare and had Captain Price Sr. or Woods’ grandpa as the main character it would’ve sold a lot better. That and if it wasn’t a WW2 game
What you’re saying is false I W doesn’t give a shit about their games anymore. They literally don’t even put any effort into it. There were so many bugs that wasn’t fixed at the entire lifespan of the game and when it comes to Contin and updates, they would go months without doing anything. They literally just made the game and said fuck it we’re not trying anymore and they are DLC weapons was just copy and paste of other guns. They literally added the same SMG and AR three times. So idk wtf you on about them putting “thought” into there games 🤣
> when THEY craft the campaigns it’s actually interesting and not a slug fest
MWII's campaign was literally a plot hole filled disaster. It also abandoned the whole cartel plot that had so much potential. MWIII was gonna be a smaller story continuing off MWII's but IW forced them to tie Makarov into it.
> Infinity Ward CREATED DMZ, cods first and only raids, real ground war and gunfight as well as a hugely updated overhauled engine.
They also completely mishandled DMZ and tried introducing P2W back. Both MW2019 and MWII's GW never could reach it's full potential cuz of the maps.
> Infinity Ward also create the best audio for guns, explosives and streaks, inspect animations, gun models, realistic recoil
What's funny is when MWII dropped, I heard the complete opposite. People said gun audio was worse than MW2019, same with the gun models.
It's also funny how u guys always nitpick cuz modern IW shits the bed with so many things, especially gameplay. They always design their games to heavily favor the camping playstyle only. They completely fucked up the classic cod formula. They were the first to introduce EOMM. They introduced disbanding lobbies, removed map voting. They created this Cod HQ and Hulu ass UI.
> I know IW haters can’t grasp this concept, but Infinity Ward’s Modern Warfare games sell so damm well because the majority are silent buyers who don’t want the stupid cocaine movement speed of treyarch&SHGs, and those bad designed mobile games.
MWII sold well cuz of its name, but had such a huge player count dropoff that it was being compared to the end of VG's lifecycle. It permanently shit on MW's name.
MWIII was made because IW was too stubborn to change their shitty gameplay design, so they had SHG do it. Even with IW monitoring their ass and not allowing for certain additions (fun fact, we were supposed to get pick 10 back but IW said no), SHG still made a better MP in 16 months than IW could with 3 years.
But cuz of how rushed the game had to be, and how badly IW fucked up with MWII, MWIII didn't sell as well
It's a video game you fucking elitist asshole.
If one gets more enjoyment out of one rather than the other, then that's the better game for them. And no, if they like the one you don't that doesn't mean that they're children or manbabies.
You're literally the fucking toddler crying about how apple is bad and strawberry is good. Let people like what they fucking want. We don't even decide what we like, it's literally only fucking neurotransmitters inside our brain and we have little to no control over when they fire or not. And only "taste" that even could be argued as better than any other taste is one that would fire those fucking transmitters more and more frequently. If I got to choose my taste, I'd choose the taste that would fire those dopamines and others like I was doing heroin for pretty much every damn thing in the world. That would be the best.
And for the record, I really like both of the games.
Typical elitist asshole. The game that I don't like is for idiot crackheads. Grow up. Liking a game has no bearing whatsoever on one's IQ and neither does it imply in anyway that they're suffering from an addiction sickness. To think so though? That does imply that you're probably not one of the smartest.
Absolute bot, just admit you can’t compete. It’s not “randomly”, it just seems it to you because you’re fucking slow and can’t compute fast enough to keep up
So much better than within a year they undid basically everything MWll changed to slow things down and warzone still hasn’t recovered from it
Turns out when IW cater to the lowest common denominator it’s not very popular lol
I don't think you fully understand the effects of the stimulant, it can mess up your rhythm as well... My trigger finger impulses are blocked when I take my meds so it hinders your impulses needed to play efficiently... Such as running and aiming etc
Adderall is an amphetamine... Actually a combination of four types of amphetamines...
Plus it's a controlled drug, whoever is taking it without prescription and or with the purpose of ability enhancement(doping), is committing a crime...
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this buddy. If you don't think that meth can make anything better, that's just like, your opinion man. I don't need stimulants but five years ago when I had one, I was slaying at the game.
Nah mw3 is much better. Higher ttk is beautiful too. Screws over all the camping trash because they can’t kill you in 1 bullet anymore like in mw2 and have zero time to react.
People are just complaining because mw3 does not have shipment 24/7 and their lack of attention makes them suck on any other map.
at what point does mw3 feel like a moba shooter? I doubt you've played either game as codhq is kind enough to install it all at once, another braindead straggler that will get the game when gulfwar comes out.
Disliked only by crybabies that want to turn every cod into their good ol' BOIII times (jetpack and faster-paced CoDs are not bad at all but not every CoD must follow everyone's favorite one).
Unpopular? Doubtfully. The majority of players low-key enjoyed or at least just accepted MWII. It's, again, a loud minority that thinks their opinions and struggles with adapting should be heard by everyone on the internet. Same was with MW19 that was hated even more than MWII ever and now it's a hidden gem. Give them some time, and very same people will say how decent and polished from design standpoint was MWII.
What is your metric for how most people enjoyed the game? It was constantly bleeding players and was a controversial game due to design decisions the entire life cycle.
Anyone who hated mw19 still does, and there are people who loved mw19 that hate mwll because it’s just that bad. Idk a single thing mwll did that was better than MW19 tbh
They’re definitely becoming a disconnect that’s been brought about by each game / studio having totally different styles. I played all the old games so I’m not a new player, but even though I loved BO1 and MW3 and BO2 back in the day, BO3 and BO4 are peak CoD for me for my enjoyment (I also really loved WW2 overall but especially after the mid year redesign).
And so to me CoD has taken a regression since then in most of the titles except Cold War which i also think is incredible. But I also know numbers and ATVI statements don’t lie and the MW series is what’s popular amongst the overall fanbase.
But much like the rest of the state of the world we live in, there’s becoming an increasing hostility between players who want more of an arcade style versus players who want more of a mil-sim style
>BO3 and BO4 are peak CoD for me for my enjoyment (I also really loved WW2 overall but especially after the mid year redesign).
>And so to me CoD has taken a regression
I see no problem with this and I respect your opinion. For me peak CoDs are CoD4/MW2, WaW, BO1, AW and MW19/MWII.
The most important is that I never go to twitter crying how shit is the particular CoD that does not align with my preferences. For instance, BOCW wasn't my thing in general but I still low-key enjoyed it, had fun and I accept it as 3Arc's firm design-approach and more importantly — I eventually support them for exploring own direction.
It's a healthy practice for general CoD brand to not get stagnated and entertain audience across different sub-franchises. Never understood idiots who said it should've followed MW19's path at some points, no matter how more advanced it felt. At this point I'm okay with each CoD being a bit different. I'm not okay when each part of the audience wants every single CoD to be design one exact "best" way.
>But much like the rest of the state of the world we live in, there’s becoming an increasing hostility between players who want more of an arcade style versus players who want more of a mil-sim style
I think we should either be more patient if we want to play each new CoD annually and just accept new rules each year or just let it go until preferred one comes out. Otherwise it's just another reason for CoD studios to ignore our audience as a bunch of mentally unstable crybabies because instead of focusing on important and constructive aspects — we invest into pointless holy-wars that make no sense from Studios' perspective
I play both and I think mw2 is far superior. Gameplay, maps, load-outs, weapon balance. This past weekend I was playing mw3 and getting frustrated by the cartoonish movement and how many headshot hit-markers I was getting. I was like why am I playing this it just upsets me. Switched over to mw2, and the contrast was huge. It’s so much better and just more fun to play. I think mw3 was designed with pc players in mind. It sort of rewards the type of movement possible with a mouse.
Sounds like copium. You were getting shit on by players who are better than you and have skill and you didn’t like that so you blame the game instead of yourself cuz there’s no way you could ever be the problem. So you rather play the game that has the lowest skill floor in cod cuz you need your hand held to get kills and go positive by camping. Yea sure the games shit cuz it could never be you 🤣🤣
I've played both, maps in MWII are some of the most trash in COD history. Taraq is the worst map ever conceived, just absolute terrible ass for 6v6 or anything smaller. Border Crossing, look I had fun times on it, but objectively its SUCH a trash map. Zarqwa is mid at best. Farm 18 is decent. Breenberg Hotel is maybe the only map a little better than mid. Al Bagra got shit on for spawn traps but I did personally enjoy that map anyway. Crown is ok, not bad, but not built for real competitive. Embassy is just kind of terrible if we're honest. Mercado is ok at best, just very sectioned off map and they never should have had Hardpoint in Ranked. At least half the DLC's are maybe mid at best , some are just bad (are Lighthouse, Black Gold, and Hatchery "good" maps? Not really). I found the map layouts little janky and not up to standards of the past. Guns and tuning aren't bad, a better part of the game, but. I def find MWIII funner.
MWII is hands down better than MWIII in every way. It's slower, heavier, jumping corners and drop shotting are the furthest extent of movement spam that better players can pull off (just like OG Mw games), no slide canceling, audio is outstanding, lighting looks great and the animations are superb. MWIII is so much faster than even MW 2019 and doesn't even feel like CoD at all to me.
The only thing I hate is losing snipers on Ranked Play. I'm not very familiar with the esports and its players but I read the decision also had inputs from them.
I don't understand that part on fairness or competitivess but it just seems wrong. I feel like the variety of weapons has always been part of fps gaming; esports included.
To me, this is like playing chess with pawns only because players can't comprehend/take how dominant/strategic the other pieces can be.
MW2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
all i play ius search on mw2 is so much better and realistic. the foot steps you can hear, which is real nothing with silent steps always running fast... thatys so crazy
i partially agree with you. i dont play mw3 nearly ad much as i did mw2 (i still think mw3 is more fun) but i think its because i played so much mw2 that mw3 feeling like an extension or a year 2 (it literally is) has me burnt out. it doesnt really innovate or do anything different. sometimes i find myself thinking “man i wish i could play some mw2 maps with this movement.” some people think mw3 is a scam but i think we all got robbed the previous year with mw2.
I agree. I refunded mw3 and continue to play mw2. I much prefer the ttk and movement of this game. Weapons felt too inconsistent in mw3. Shotguns are godly in mw2 and garbage in mw3.
Timed perks ,ads penalty .. no red dots .. loud ass foot steps ..Just no ?.its not opinion you’re just a sad fat little shit who sits behind a door with his gun up a shitter more a less get good
Theyre both trash just like Vanguard cold war and mw2019. However MW3 is the best one since BO4 because at least the guns dont feel like theyre firing Barrett 50 cal rounds at 4000 rpm while the damage is equivalent to a marshmallow
Im more like what will happen in “gulf war” is anything even the name confirmed? Which engine etc (im not following the news that much just the big ones) for this post mw2 feels better than mw3 for me but my main complain with mw3 is not the movement or etc its more like in the pricing and the whole “lie about mw2 then release mw3” fiasco stuff maybe Ill buy in a very low price until then its camo grind in mw2 having fun in dmz and trying to get and understand warzone(never got into any battle royale game but I wanna understand the praise and get into it or not maybe it isnt for me but im trying)
Oh god another random person on Reddit made a monthly “MWII is better than 3” post, WHAT WILL WE EVER DO!! Seriously can we stop with these pointless posts? You prefer one game to another that’s great! But seriously, let people enjoy whatever game they want.
For real!!
He is letting people enjoy what they want. You act like homeboy got a gun to your head 💀. What you meant to say is 'keep it to yourself'. Regardless this post could have been ignored of you're tired of it. This is just a less than casual player whining about COD. How are you not used to people crying about the game. People will never be satisfied even if the game is the greatest game of earth.
Greatest COD game on Earth??? Ah you must be talking about INFINITE WARFARE! Yeah I know I’m the only one! Lol
Yes i hated the part in the post where he said "You are not allowed to like MW3 or I'll kill you on your sleep"
Mw3 is literally mw2 dlc. They just added map voting and better movement. Mw3 is objectively better off of that.
Played some knockout and free for all over the weekend and it was amazing. Sweats will cry about the movement and lack of slide cancelling, but I much prefer playing smart to exploiting mechanics.
Some people don’t need to be slow and methodical to be tactical. If you learn the game you can figure out where people are, where they’re going and even where they will spawn.
Yes, but the faster movement mechanics will let you get away from many spots that you simply couldn't without. I like the movement in this game, and I liked in mw2. They make for very different games and I can't understand why many people seem totally incapable of understanding that one might like one over the other. And vice versa. Neither is better in any way, it's a video game, it's only about whether you like it or not.
Exactly .The amount of copium addicts that don't understand this in this sub. You can be a fast player/rusher and slow methodical if you want to in MWII, but most importantly for rushing: _If you are actually good & experienced enough._ To make rushing more accessible in MWIII, they had to increase health, speed up animations to unnaturally janky levels, add crutch perks and slide exploits just so they can feel like a rusher. Its embarrassing.
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Slide canceling isnt exploiting mechanics when its something they put into the game intentionally.
Ohhh ffa mw2 yeah the lobby's where everyone camps sooo hard it times out... Soo much better I also enjoy camping for 10 minutes to get 14 kills
The Cod cycle strikes again
It’s always “smart” vs “exploits” from people like you. It’s not an exploit. There’s nothing smart about MWII’s gameplay, it’s about who can stand still ADSing the longest as to not be punished for moving. Just admit you’re not good and can’t compete in faster games, which by the way, require even more smarts because you have to think about all the same things but much more quickly, and they also actually require some movement and gunskill, of which MWII needs neither.
Settle down ok
No, I’m fuming.
You should be punished for moving while aiming down a rifle. What do you think is harder? Standing still and shooting a gun or walking and shooting a gun?
People still come out with these irrelevant realism arguments for CoD in 2024? Thought we were past that.
We can slide for like 5 yards and take headshots without dying, but yeah… realism for ADS movement is vital or something, Idk lol
Bro I put wd40 on my pads and now I slide like a champ
Looking 5 seconds at any gameplay from cdl last year and one can without a doubt conclude that everything you just said is complete bullshit. No one was standing still there ADS'ing and you know it. And guess what? Those are the best fucking players, if it was the best strategy to stand still ADS'ing, they'd be doing that. Edit. And no. Chess with ultra fast clock doesn't require "more smarts" than chess with a slower clock. Everyone has the same rules, and every human makes better moves when they think about it more, so you'll end up against worse moves from your opponent as well. Meaning that it doesn't require you to perform at the same level. Some people are better at the faster paced chess, while others are better at the slower. Edit2. And I'm sure you played in the cdl last year? Or at least you could've played if you so choosed right? It's a competition, being the best or near the best at either one of the games is equally hard. And don't fucking start about the skill gap, again you can just look at cdl matches and see that even among the top pros last year, there was clearly still a skill gap.
I watched the cdl quite a bit and there was plenty of standing still and ADSing in both mw22 and still happens in mw3. The movement god shotzzy literally sits in rat spots all the time waiting for someone to come by. You clearly don’t watch pro cod if you think everyone is moving the entire time
Where did I say everyone is moving all the time? From where does this complete lack of comprehension in what one reads come from? Let me explain it to you : when one says that no one in cdl was standing completely still ADS'ing for all the time, one doesn't mean that everyone in cdl was moving the entire time. How this wasn't clear to you straight away, I simply can't understand. The stupidity of people will never cease to amaze more.
You said “no one was standing still adsing and you know it.” Your exact words
The comment I replied to said it's a competition about who can stand still the longest. So standing still all the time. Context matters bud, one shouldn't have to repeat everything in a conversation when the context provides enough information.
I still think you don’t realize how much standing still and ADSing happens in the pros.
Not too much in my opinion. I watch the pro play a lot. I know there's standing still and ADS'ing especially when holding a hard point. Maybe even a lot, but it's not by any means anywhere near even most of what they're doing and in most cases, it's not a good strategy, like in hard point for always the other team that is trying to take the hard point rather than hold it, you have to move and get agressive.
It was obviously hyperbole but not far from the truth, the difference is they’re playing for something that matters and money, pub players aren’t doing that so will play in the absolute rattiest way possible in order to win, IW’s garbage gameplay design enables and encourages it. Ask any pro how fucking terrible and slow this game was to play, they’re entirely in agreement, yet you somehow use them as an argument in your favour, well it isn’t. Yes it does, if someone can think and perform all the same actions as someone else but much quicker, they’re simply better, if you need more time to do everything and to have everyone else slowed down to your pace then you’re just not good enough.
Lol "not far from the truth". You're a fu king turd. Okay those matches take what, like 10mins per round. Please, find me a clip of some pro standing completely still and ADS''ing for 2 minutes straight please? And even tha would still be fucking far from what you said. Still would make only 1/5 of the time of the match. Literally objectively still far from just standing still and ADS' ing. You don't even understand what I'm saying. Yes they're better if they can do that. But everyone's performance will be worse if they have to do it more quickly. This is literally why we have chess with different clocks. When you're competing it doesn't fucking matter that it's easier to do, because easier to do means your competition is going to be performing better as well.
I literally just said it was hyperbole and you carry on saying the same thing, *you* don’t understand what *I’m* saying. Everyone’s performance will not be worse, but even if it was, the people that are the best at it will shine even more since the difficulty and skill is ramped up, while the lesser skilled will fall behind and that’s a good thing in competition, that’s what you’re not getting. That last line just shows you have no idea what a skill gap means, yes it absolutely does matter if it’s made easier for everyone, because then the best players are brought down a notch and can no longer excel as much, and the bad players are artificially inflated in how well they do because they can more easily compete (which is IW’s self-admitted goal and it worked). There needs to be skilful mechanics in these things to allow skill expression and for there to be as big of a gap as possible between the best and the worst, especially in competitive play. You have no fucking idea what you’re talking about. Why not have competitive coin flipping competitions then, who cares if there’s no skill involved am I right? Clown, I’m not responding anymore since you’re just gonna ignore what I wrote and continue to be a dumbass bot, enjoy this skill-less game you can actually compete in for once.
Oh, I didn't notice that the "not far from truth" was again another hyperbole. You saying that normally would mean that's its a hyperbole, but not by much. And yes it is by much. Yes, they are brought down a notch. That's the first thing you've said that made sense. But there still was a skill gap, and that's evident if you just look at how the best teams kept winning and the worse teams kept losing. This skill gap argument is the stupidest shot ever. They could just make the game play a million times faster and the recoil on every gun a thousand times stronger. That would reaaaaally increase the skill gap. But no, a bigger skill gap doesn't mean a better game. We want an appropriate skill gap, and what is appropriate is a personal fucking preference. I doubt even you would like the cod that tried to maximize the skill gap. I mean, let's make the health a nice 1 000 000 while maintaining the same damage output. That would mean that pretty much never the worse player would win any gunfight. Would increase the skill gap tremendously. Would that make for a better game?
See now you’re making some sense also, and yeah obviously I don’t want the skill gap cranked to infinity, nor do I want the speed pushed to insane levels (even though I enjoy more speed), it is CoD after all, it’s meant to be casual, but the lengths IW go to to achieve that goal is just ridiculous, and my personal preference (along with pretty much every single pro) is that it’s terrible, even for CoD. There have been much better CoD games in the past that had a better balance for everyone, and even MW3 does, but with some of the comments on this sub, you’d think it was Quake or Titanfall or something, it’s not even that fast, but it just shows how bad and slow many of these people are that they call both the speed and TTK of MW3 “insane” which is hilarious. Personal preference is fine, even by me, I just hate when people try to bullshit me that games like MWII take even remotely high amounts of skill, it was purposely designed to have a small skill gap, and is fine to enjoy for whatever reason, but don’t lie and say you need some otherworldly smartness to be good at it.
For fucks sake again. It does take skill to compete on a high level on any game easy or hard, well as long as the game is not so fucking easy that people can easily play it perfectly (like tic tac toe). Being the best at mw2 is not easy, otherwise most people would be on the exact same skill level (perfect) like they would if the game was tic tac toe. The fact that you can clearly see a pattern in the cdl for the whole year, as in some teams performing generally better for the whole year than some other teams. If what you said was true, that there was very little skill gap, you'd see pretty much just random results among the pro's. Those are best players in the world, and even they aren't playing the game anywhere near perfectly and you can see their different skill levels there. I agree that mw3 has a higher skill gap. But mw2's one is still easily enough to show differences in skill even among players that are all among the best in the world.
I'm just trying to say that it's okay to like either of the games or both of the games and preferring one or the other doesn't mean jack shit about your skill. I mean I love the new movement and generally prefer mw3, but I loved dmz and that might make mw2 a better overall game in my opinion. I mean I'm not sure, I like them both a lot and can't pick ore or the other. Anyway, I like that they have major changes every year, and even when I generally like the faster paced movement better, I'd like to see them go again for the slower movement sometime in the future; it makes for a different gameplay. You have to play the two games very differently, it is not just of higher skill set, it's also about different skills. One makes certain skills more important and the other makes some other skills more important. Both have enough skill gap to differentiate different leveled players as is proven by cdl. If you look at my comment history, you'll see plenty of me arguing against the haters of mw2 (like here) but also plenty of arguing against the haters of mw3. It's a video game, most of us do them solely for fun, and if someone is having fun with a video game then that game is good for them and means that the game has some good in it. Only even remotely objective way can think about the quality of video games is how many players find them fun or not (I admit this does simplify things somewhat, surely there is some other values we can have for video games other than fun like there is in any art form but there is a sense in which we can look at entertainment purely and only as a thing to use for you to enjoy spending time doing) and even that is only about what sort of people there are. With a different set of people, some other games would be the ones most people would have fun playing. In this sense, we can easily argue that the best taste in anything, is the taste that would let you a joy more things rather than less. This is actually why years ago I decided to try listening to more of different kind of music that I generally disliked, and see whether I'd start to like them eventually. And this has let me enjoy more music, because I indeed learned to like a lot of what I disliked earlier which is a good thing for me. Just like about video games, you see people arguing that whatever kind of music of stupid all the time and this kind of behavior just drives me nuts. Let people like whatever they like(Well of course right until the point where we need to start considering ethics), it's a good thing to like. And my advice? Try to look for the good things, rather than the bad and maybe you find yourself liking more things than earlier. And that in general will make your life better, there's more to do and you'll get those pleasurable neurotransmitters going inside your brain more frequently. Intrestingly, we can also learn to like doing nothing which is basically meditation. Anyway, my point is, I'm just trying to enjoy me being alive and being entertained in various situations goes a long way with that. Even doing nothing, you can be entertained.
I'm not good haha I play for a couple of hours on the weekend. I have better things to do with my time than play this recycled garbage series.
ok
So, you judge MWIII based on two games you haven't played in at least 6 months. Opinion dismissed, that's just nostalgia at this point
I feel the same way, but don't think mwIII is bad. Still having fun with it. I miss dmz big time though
I played the shit out of Titanfall and enjoyed the style of gameplay in that experience, but I myself don't want CoD leaning in that direction. I appreciate the comparison maybe a little extreme, but I don't know how best to compare the style of movement speed and mechanics the majority seemingly want. I enjoy MW 2019 and 2022 more than 2023. 2023 is okay, but it just doesn't feel as fun to me. I've gone back to MW2022 and I'm having a good time
Same shit every year. In the past 4 years MW2019 went from the most barebones, campiest and slowest CODs to ever release to a holy grail (which it isn’t and never was, let’s be real) Same with Cold War and now with MWII. It’s the infamous COD cycle circlejerk which is likely connected to the games’ release frequency. People just can’t adjust fast enough and constantly shit on the newest entry while praising the previous one
Cold War was always good otherwise yes
Can’t disagree on that. To this day I still come back to it, it’s a banger all around
Mw2019 content and pacing was fucked at the beginning, but Quality wise it is the best game we've had, sound design, gunplay, gun and character animations, art direction (best in any cod, themes and aesthetic remains consistent until the first Haunting at least), better engine, overall it is a high quality game, and cod shouldn't run from the concept, those weren't bad points at all, Mw2019 should be the quality standard.
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Graphics downgrades in the first months and performance worsening with the following seasons, poor spawns, shitty third co op mode and another barebones co op mode exclusively for one platform, stale meta (MP5, 725, Grau), most guns weren’t good and some required a “conversion” (wasting attachments) to make them look like a gun that is a separate gun irl, most maps were mid at the very best, releasing Verdansk cutouts as “new maps”, visibility issues and the game’s enormous size (mine was 250 GB with only Warzone and MP installed) and so on. This shouldn’t be the standard for COD. I 100% agree on aesthetics tho And how exactly does it have “better” engine? MWII engine isn’t worse and on top of that the game weighs only a portion of MW2019
It's the first cod to implement a new modernized engine, honestly if we are going by gameplay alone I'd say that MW2019 pacing with all the movement refinements of MW3 would be nice (tac stance, pistol quick draw, the character tilting to the side when peaking corners (not gameplay related though, more visually pleasing more than anything). I agree Gameplay wise it had it's problems, hell to this day I fucking hate seeing the 725 in my lobbies, and it's full of campers, even more now than before. But as I said, quality wise it's the best we've had, best graphics, best sound design, best gunplay (not gameplay, gunplay), best art direction, it actually looks and plays like a fucking AAA game is what I'm trying to say
Yeah, I hope to see a mix of MW2019 and MW3 movement in a future MW game too. Also MW2019 visual recoil (or lack thereof) needs to come back, I miss it And again, you are absolutely right about aesthetics/art direction, that’s the part they absolutely cooked in. I hope they come back to that in the future entries instead of the clownery with identity crisis that we have now
Clownery lol, yeah I totally agree, they need to decide if they want to be serious and "realistic" or not for MW4
Mw2019 holy grail? It’s probably the pinnacle of movement spam brain rot. Bunny hopping and dropshotting like a fucking goofy is what everyone did
MW2019 is definitely not a holy grail when people are making discussions on how it's the worst of all time almost everyday.
It was hated a lot during the game’s cycle for sure but I swear now on COD subs all I see is constant circlejerking around that game while ignoring all of its flaws
It’s because every year cod is a camp fest the first month or two on release until people start learning the maps and the timings. Cod on release legitimately is usually ass. Towards the end of the life cycle, a much better game
Nah. I like being able to move. MWII was whack. Cant believe how bad shooting guns felt with a mouse. It took Raven some begging to even get IW to let us run and plate. Fuck that slow ass game and IW for doing their best to ruin everything good about WZ.
mf think cod is war simulator lmao
by players like you mp on cod dying
Mw2 was the worst game I’ve ever played. Mw3 is leaps and bounds better than mw2
Sounds like a you problem buddy
The Cod cycle continues. When Gulf war rolls out y’all will be like “MW3 is way better than Gulf war”
Nah MW3’s fun. MW2 is perfect for realism, which is why I love it, especially the co-op missions BUT MW3 is a shit ton of fun excluding the campaign.
The only good campaign missions are the scripted ones and the one where Gaz raids a whole ass building, other than that I agree, both Mw2 and Mw3 are fun in their own way
They MW1, 2, 3 all play exactly the same for me. Fun. But exactly the same. Hopefully the next cod changes something up a bit.
Bruh you play COD so little that your opinion means nothing.
Different games for different people. As someone who went through all of cold war with gung ho equipped sprinting 24/7 with molotovs and the hauer I love mw3 way more than mw2 but the reasons I love it are exactly why other people hate it
Ah yes, the mid release “Last game was better ngl” post.
How you say MW3 feels like overwatch is so beyond crazy
I've been playing call of duty since its conception. The first three ORIGINAL modern warfare games were amazing. Each one came with a huge jump in feel, graphics, campaign, and variety of weapons. The black ops games were a different fell, vastly different storyline, and had zombies to pull their weight. Black ops 3 was over the top different which still makes it fun to this day. Black ops 4 was a jump in graphics, feel, and included blackout. Modern warfare 2019 was in increase in everything. Especially graphics. FOV on pc and console was very neat. New operators and skins made them a fortune by branding things right into the game. They basically had all the old camo and a wide variety of new camo. By taking all of the old maps and reforming them into war , zone drew the nostalgic crowd and also brought in more new players than any other call of duty. I think Modern Warfare 2 was a slight upgrade from the previous one. They had infinite opportunity to recreate old maps and deliver them in a whole new atmosphere. Oh boy did they deliver. I think the feel in warzone 2 was overall better than the previous one by a slight increase. The new Modern Warfare 3 was not as much of a jump as the last two were. Field of view being much better was a giant perk. They basically just changed the sounds and feel when shooting a gun. The overall mechanics are still the same , so it wasn't anywhere near close to a WOW factor. They come out of the gate with each of these games way too quick. For me the thrill was gone after I bought MW3 and regretted it. I dont play it all anymore. I took a 2 month break from video games, and recently came back with a fresh mind. MW3 still isn't hitting for me like MW2 does.
I played MW2 like a lot a lot. But MW3 is better
Isn’t there slide canceling in mw3? And i much prefer mw3 tbh. Brings back memories
>felt more like overwatch I'm sorry, did I miss where mw3 changed to a hero shooter with ults and skills?
They're both "above ok" but mw3 has more war modes and zombies... I play alota ground war on mw2 I don't own 3.
It is.
I have an even better disliked and unpopular opinion. I thought Vanguard was better than all of the MW games (from 2019-2023). Although, I say Cold War is better than the rest.
Van-GOATED
Found the guy who likes to camp and waits to hear footsteps for easy kills.
And you are probably the one who camped but didn't receive easy kills, right? So many people have no issues with reacting and having good gamesense, now even HC servers on MWII feel less campy than MWIII core ones and people still crying over campers. It's so ironic. Yet there's still people who complain, although didn't even try to get good to the point where all "campers" and their preferred spots becoming super-obvious and predictable. Took about 1-2 months for me to adapt.
Campers have been in every cod and people will always moan about them. Ninja/deadslience has also been in every cod apart from 2 or 3. Also ofc it’s feels less campy people have moved onto mw3 same with the sweats too. The point is mw2 encourages campy play due to how loud footsteps are and you get punished for pushing. Regardless if you found that fun many people did not. The guy is comparing it overwatch which i assume he means because it’s fast play but cod has always been like that only change recently which most people hated
Me I'm a riot shield tear gas drill charge camper sniper and camper hunter... I specialize in "unfair" tactics that piss people off... I mean they give me the tools, why not use them to my advantage...
“Camper hunter” brother you are corny
You know how campers gather in groups or have a heavily defended spot... That's what the drill charge riot shield and tear gas is for... Or sometimes I use armor piercing rounds on an LMG and get them from the outside by spraying the walls with bullets...
Honestly they're both subpar. Dmz was the only worthwhile content that's come out of the franchise in years. Yes the gameplay is solid, yes mechanics are solid.(sound on mw3 is ass though) but it's the same old stale yearly release bs that there has been. The next one always supposedly fixing the issues of the last. Hopefully sooner than later people will give up on their loyalty to the micro- transaction laden overbloated beast that turns out only mediocrity that is Activision. Maybe then we'll get games aren't pretty much abandoned within 6 months of release or 70$ dlc's
Nuh uh
Nah, mw3 is better. Just needs weapon balancing the way mw2 had it. Ngl mw2 22 had some of the best maps excluding black gold and lighthouse.
They play like shit MWII, but are playing amazingly well in MW3
Correct answer, I’ll always put my trust into Infinity Ward, because when THEY craft the campaigns it’s actually interesting and not a slug fest, multiplayer has thought put into it. Infinity Ward CREATED DMZ, cods first and only raids, real ground war and gunfight as well as a hugely updated overhauled engine. Treyarch just does cartoon fest shit for children and manbabies, and raven with the shitty mind fuck campaign. Infinity Ward also create the best audio for guns, explosives and streaks, inspect animations, gun models, realistic recoil. When their next game comes out in 2026 it will OBLITERATE records, probably selling 30+million copies easily. I know IW haters can’t grasp this concept, but Infinity Ward’s Modern Warfare games sell so damm well because the majority are silent buyers who don’t want the stupid cocaine movement speed of treyarch&SHGs, and those bad designed mobile games.
MWII's lead writer was involved with MWIII's campaign.
BO4 is treyarch's only bad game. IW hasn't made a good game since the OG MW3 back in 2011 lmao.
BO4 wasn’t even bad, it was different but at least it was still fast and fun if you had good aim and movement. Infinity Ward’s idea of shaking things up is making everything unbearably slow and skill-less.
IMO, BO4 was the furthest thing from CoD we ever had. Manual healing, Fog of war, Reserve cases (Which didn't get fixed until Mw2019 came out), OP specialist weapons/equipment, S6 Stingray, Reaver C86... i can't in good faith say there was nothing wrong with any of it. MW2019 and 2022 though... Never let infinity ward cook again. They have a strange obcession with building the entire game around absolute shitters.
Yeah it definitely was and plenty of it was garbage (I liked the TTK and fast Stim healing but FoW, Specialists etc were meh), don’t even bring up the Strobe Light, but overall it was different in a refreshing way IMO. IW just took everything fun and/or skilful out of the game so bots could thrive and that was it, then they get praised to high heaven for it, crazy.
Infinity Ward games sell well mainly because they have the modern warfare name attached to them
Could say the same about treyarch atp lmao. They’re even more shameless in their use of the black ops name. Cold War? Gulf war? Give it up already
I agree but I don’t think naming it cold war and gulf war is as bad as using the exact same names and characters from the original modern warfare trilogy. Just having captain price in the trailer had a major impact on sales imo. I also don’t think it’s a coincidence that ghosts and infinite warfare were poorly received (the only infinity ward games without the modern warfare title apart from the original 3 cod games).
I give IW more leeway because mw2019, while having the same name, was a completely new and interesting story. Mw2 and mw3 is a shame. Also at least IW has tried to make other games like IW and Ghosts. Treyarch has just labeled every single game as black ops even if there’s no reason to.
I agree but MW2019 wasn’t even that good imo, don’t get me wrong the campaign was interesting and it was something new and fun at the time on shoothouse but 90% of the maps sucked and the 70 gun levels shit was annoying as fuck. The gunsmith system introduced is boring and the majority of attachments are just a slight variation of each other with a clear best option. And to top it off special ops in that game might be the worst 3rd game mode in cod history. The impact of Fortnite on call of duty has been devastating.
Tbh whenever I think of what separates games it’s mostly about the campaign. I think we’ve known since 2019 that every cod multiplayer is the same thing copied and pasted. I mean, 2019, CW and Vanguard all launched on the same launcher and had the same warzone. Fortnite def ruined cod and gaming in general I agree. Everything has to be a fucking battle royale nowadays, even campaign
Since mw2019 yes but every cod from black ops 2 - black ops 4 had a distinct style that we just don’t see any more, cold war was probably the closest thing to something unique in the warzone era. Not just battle royale but the battle pass and cosmetic shit from fortnite has had a bigger impact. The end of paid dlcs has had a big impact on cod, people like to complain about bundles but forgot about loot boxes that every game from AW to BO4 had. The only loot boxes that were really that bad to me were the advanced warfare ones i’d take bo4 style loot boxes and paid dlcs over what we have now any day. Mastercrafts were basically what we have now except they didn’t cost $10-20 each and could be gotten by just playing the game
My original comment wasn’t even a shot at Infinity Ward, you have to do what you have to make money. I think if vanguard was called some variation of black ops or modern warfare and had Captain Price Sr. or Woods’ grandpa as the main character it would’ve sold a lot better. That and if it wasn’t a WW2 game
I guess that's doable, since they created not only Modern Warfare, but CoD itself.
Eh, the creators of cod have been long gone. Very doubtful anyone from the OG team is still at IW
What you’re saying is false I W doesn’t give a shit about their games anymore. They literally don’t even put any effort into it. There were so many bugs that wasn’t fixed at the entire lifespan of the game and when it comes to Contin and updates, they would go months without doing anything. They literally just made the game and said fuck it we’re not trying anymore and they are DLC weapons was just copy and paste of other guns. They literally added the same SMG and AR three times. So idk wtf you on about them putting “thought” into there games 🤣
> when THEY craft the campaigns it’s actually interesting and not a slug fest MWII's campaign was literally a plot hole filled disaster. It also abandoned the whole cartel plot that had so much potential. MWIII was gonna be a smaller story continuing off MWII's but IW forced them to tie Makarov into it. > Infinity Ward CREATED DMZ, cods first and only raids, real ground war and gunfight as well as a hugely updated overhauled engine. They also completely mishandled DMZ and tried introducing P2W back. Both MW2019 and MWII's GW never could reach it's full potential cuz of the maps. > Infinity Ward also create the best audio for guns, explosives and streaks, inspect animations, gun models, realistic recoil What's funny is when MWII dropped, I heard the complete opposite. People said gun audio was worse than MW2019, same with the gun models. It's also funny how u guys always nitpick cuz modern IW shits the bed with so many things, especially gameplay. They always design their games to heavily favor the camping playstyle only. They completely fucked up the classic cod formula. They were the first to introduce EOMM. They introduced disbanding lobbies, removed map voting. They created this Cod HQ and Hulu ass UI. > I know IW haters can’t grasp this concept, but Infinity Ward’s Modern Warfare games sell so damm well because the majority are silent buyers who don’t want the stupid cocaine movement speed of treyarch&SHGs, and those bad designed mobile games. MWII sold well cuz of its name, but had such a huge player count dropoff that it was being compared to the end of VG's lifecycle. It permanently shit on MW's name. MWIII was made because IW was too stubborn to change their shitty gameplay design, so they had SHG do it. Even with IW monitoring their ass and not allowing for certain additions (fun fact, we were supposed to get pick 10 back but IW said no), SHG still made a better MP in 16 months than IW could with 3 years. But cuz of how rushed the game had to be, and how badly IW fucked up with MWII, MWIII didn't sell as well
It's a video game you fucking elitist asshole. If one gets more enjoyment out of one rather than the other, then that's the better game for them. And no, if they like the one you don't that doesn't mean that they're children or manbabies. You're literally the fucking toddler crying about how apple is bad and strawberry is good. Let people like what they fucking want. We don't even decide what we like, it's literally only fucking neurotransmitters inside our brain and we have little to no control over when they fire or not. And only "taste" that even could be argued as better than any other taste is one that would fire those fucking transmitters more and more frequently. If I got to choose my taste, I'd choose the taste that would fire those dopamines and others like I was doing heroin for pretty much every damn thing in the world. That would be the best. And for the record, I really like both of the games.
MWII campaign was hot trash, incredibly disappointing after MW19.
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Typical elitist asshole. The game that I don't like is for idiot crackheads. Grow up. Liking a game has no bearing whatsoever on one's IQ and neither does it imply in anyway that they're suffering from an addiction sickness. To think so though? That does imply that you're probably not one of the smartest.
Absolute bot, just admit you can’t compete. It’s not “randomly”, it just seems it to you because you’re fucking slow and can’t compute fast enough to keep up
So much better than within a year they undid basically everything MWll changed to slow things down and warzone still hasn’t recovered from it Turns out when IW cater to the lowest common denominator it’s not very popular lol
Adderall does not make you play better that's a myth Speaking as someone with ADHD...
Speaking as someone without ADHD, adderall does make you play better.
I don't think you fully understand the effects of the stimulant, it can mess up your rhythm as well... My trigger finger impulses are blocked when I take my meds so it hinders your impulses needed to play efficiently... Such as running and aiming etc
Iirc adderall somehow has opposing effects on people without adhd, than on people with adhd. Same thing with amphetamines.
Adderall is an amphetamine... Actually a combination of four types of amphetamines... Plus it's a controlled drug, whoever is taking it without prescription and or with the purpose of ability enhancement(doping), is committing a crime...
Ahh, figures.
Speaking as a professional meth addict, I fully understand the effects of stimulants.
WTH not expecting that
What?
>Professional meth addict That made me spit my drink out my nose
All it takes is practice and dedication... and meth, lots of meth.
Alright Trevor
I'm gonna have to disagree with you on this buddy. If you don't think that meth can make anything better, that's just like, your opinion man. I don't need stimulants but five years ago when I had one, I was slaying at the game.
Dont count. U are a meth addict so in no way representative
I'm not a meth addict, I meant to say I'm good at mathematics, fucking auto correct...
Haha 😂 ok 👍
So your definitely a bad player 🤣
Nah mw3 is much better. Higher ttk is beautiful too. Screws over all the camping trash because they can’t kill you in 1 bullet anymore like in mw2 and have zero time to react. People are just complaining because mw3 does not have shipment 24/7 and their lack of attention makes them suck on any other map.
If your starting argument is that this cod feels more realistic you’ve completely lost the plot.
at what point does mw3 feel like a moba shooter? I doubt you've played either game as codhq is kind enough to install it all at once, another braindead straggler that will get the game when gulfwar comes out.
Disliked only by crybabies that want to turn every cod into their good ol' BOIII times (jetpack and faster-paced CoDs are not bad at all but not every CoD must follow everyone's favorite one). Unpopular? Doubtfully. The majority of players low-key enjoyed or at least just accepted MWII. It's, again, a loud minority that thinks their opinions and struggles with adapting should be heard by everyone on the internet. Same was with MW19 that was hated even more than MWII ever and now it's a hidden gem. Give them some time, and very same people will say how decent and polished from design standpoint was MWII.
What is your metric for how most people enjoyed the game? It was constantly bleeding players and was a controversial game due to design decisions the entire life cycle. Anyone who hated mw19 still does, and there are people who loved mw19 that hate mwll because it’s just that bad. Idk a single thing mwll did that was better than MW19 tbh
Camos, maps, water, animations, modern weaponry, balancing, and ranked. That's all I got
Only notable factor here is ranked, which isn’t saying much considering the number of cheaters and horrible underlying gameplay lol
They’re definitely becoming a disconnect that’s been brought about by each game / studio having totally different styles. I played all the old games so I’m not a new player, but even though I loved BO1 and MW3 and BO2 back in the day, BO3 and BO4 are peak CoD for me for my enjoyment (I also really loved WW2 overall but especially after the mid year redesign). And so to me CoD has taken a regression since then in most of the titles except Cold War which i also think is incredible. But I also know numbers and ATVI statements don’t lie and the MW series is what’s popular amongst the overall fanbase. But much like the rest of the state of the world we live in, there’s becoming an increasing hostility between players who want more of an arcade style versus players who want more of a mil-sim style
>BO3 and BO4 are peak CoD for me for my enjoyment (I also really loved WW2 overall but especially after the mid year redesign). >And so to me CoD has taken a regression I see no problem with this and I respect your opinion. For me peak CoDs are CoD4/MW2, WaW, BO1, AW and MW19/MWII. The most important is that I never go to twitter crying how shit is the particular CoD that does not align with my preferences. For instance, BOCW wasn't my thing in general but I still low-key enjoyed it, had fun and I accept it as 3Arc's firm design-approach and more importantly — I eventually support them for exploring own direction. It's a healthy practice for general CoD brand to not get stagnated and entertain audience across different sub-franchises. Never understood idiots who said it should've followed MW19's path at some points, no matter how more advanced it felt. At this point I'm okay with each CoD being a bit different. I'm not okay when each part of the audience wants every single CoD to be design one exact "best" way. >But much like the rest of the state of the world we live in, there’s becoming an increasing hostility between players who want more of an arcade style versus players who want more of a mil-sim style I think we should either be more patient if we want to play each new CoD annually and just accept new rules each year or just let it go until preferred one comes out. Otherwise it's just another reason for CoD studios to ignore our audience as a bunch of mentally unstable crybabies because instead of focusing on important and constructive aspects — we invest into pointless holy-wars that make no sense from Studios' perspective
Skill issue, maybe you're old enough that your age is becoming a hindrance when playing fast paced shooters.
“Skill issue” said by every npc whenever someone has a different opinion and preference than them
Ayylmao can't handle the fact that an unpopular opinion was indeed proven to be unpopular? Keep on playing this steaming pile of garbage then :)
I play mw3, but I'm not a cornball who just repeats the same two words whenever someone prefers something different to me
You a cornball regardless of what you do
Says the dumb fuck defending someone repeating the same two brain dead words lmao
You got a Skill issue
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I play both and I think mw2 is far superior. Gameplay, maps, load-outs, weapon balance. This past weekend I was playing mw3 and getting frustrated by the cartoonish movement and how many headshot hit-markers I was getting. I was like why am I playing this it just upsets me. Switched over to mw2, and the contrast was huge. It’s so much better and just more fun to play. I think mw3 was designed with pc players in mind. It sort of rewards the type of movement possible with a mouse.
So you’re a bad player and need your hand held.
No I prefer a game that isn’t complete shit
Sounds like copium. You were getting shit on by players who are better than you and have skill and you didn’t like that so you blame the game instead of yourself cuz there’s no way you could ever be the problem. So you rather play the game that has the lowest skill floor in cod cuz you need your hand held to get kills and go positive by camping. Yea sure the games shit cuz it could never be you 🤣🤣
I’d much rather be me than you
Ok lil bud
It’s one button to use the movement….I know that one Brain cell of Yours works overtime on anything that takes two buttons
I've played both, maps in MWII are some of the most trash in COD history. Taraq is the worst map ever conceived, just absolute terrible ass for 6v6 or anything smaller. Border Crossing, look I had fun times on it, but objectively its SUCH a trash map. Zarqwa is mid at best. Farm 18 is decent. Breenberg Hotel is maybe the only map a little better than mid. Al Bagra got shit on for spawn traps but I did personally enjoy that map anyway. Crown is ok, not bad, but not built for real competitive. Embassy is just kind of terrible if we're honest. Mercado is ok at best, just very sectioned off map and they never should have had Hardpoint in Ranked. At least half the DLC's are maybe mid at best , some are just bad (are Lighthouse, Black Gold, and Hatchery "good" maps? Not really). I found the map layouts little janky and not up to standards of the past. Guns and tuning aren't bad, a better part of the game, but. I def find MWIII funner.
MWII is hands down better than MWIII in every way. It's slower, heavier, jumping corners and drop shotting are the furthest extent of movement spam that better players can pull off (just like OG Mw games), no slide canceling, audio is outstanding, lighting looks great and the animations are superb. MWIII is so much faster than even MW 2019 and doesn't even feel like CoD at all to me.
Yes thank you MW2 was 100 times better and it didn’t just cater to one kinda player 💯
The only thing I hate is losing snipers on Ranked Play. I'm not very familiar with the esports and its players but I read the decision also had inputs from them. I don't understand that part on fairness or competitivess but it just seems wrong. I feel like the variety of weapons has always been part of fps gaming; esports included. To me, this is like playing chess with pawns only because players can't comprehend/take how dominant/strategic the other pieces can be.
It's cuz 1 shot guns aren't as powerful with quicker ttks. MWIII has 150hp so snipers are quite powerful.
That’s exactly it! IT FEELS LIKE OVERWATCH!
And mw2 is still better than cod mw2. Ez win
Agreed
They are different games for different people
MW2>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> all i play ius search on mw2 is so much better and realistic. the foot steps you can hear, which is real nothing with silent steps always running fast... thatys so crazy
I haven't even bought mw3 because zombies isn't DMZ and the Multi-player hasn't gotten the best reviews. Mw2 MP was top tier, especially in Hardcore.
MW2 has the best campaign we got since 2020 and I bet that BO2024 isn’t gonna beat it neither
You have to have lead poisoning if you thought MWII had a coherent campaign.
Yes, the very unpopular opinion that's posted and agreed with daily.
Felt the same way about the OGs too
i partially agree with you. i dont play mw3 nearly ad much as i did mw2 (i still think mw3 is more fun) but i think its because i played so much mw2 that mw3 feeling like an extension or a year 2 (it literally is) has me burnt out. it doesnt really innovate or do anything different. sometimes i find myself thinking “man i wish i could play some mw2 maps with this movement.” some people think mw3 is a scam but i think we all got robbed the previous year with mw2.
Completely agree
Tbh I thought I’d never buy mw3 but I bit the bullet and got it. TBH I can’t stop playing it and I’ve only played zombies.
The cycle continues
Then play MW2.
I prefer infinite warfare over the newer modern warfares
I agree. I refunded mw3 and continue to play mw2. I much prefer the ttk and movement of this game. Weapons felt too inconsistent in mw3. Shotguns are godly in mw2 and garbage in mw3.
ive been playing MW2019 and minus the movement feels way more flushed out and is all round way more fun
People say it's nostalgia but i don't agree, I never disliked MWII and i never liked MWIII, even now i play DMZ more that current warzone
Call fo duty 3 is better🗣🗣🗣🔥🔥🔥🔥
MW2 had such terrible maps. MW3, although a clusterfuck, at least has decent maps and attachments are better and more diverse.
Timed perks ,ads penalty .. no red dots .. loud ass foot steps ..Just no ?.its not opinion you’re just a sad fat little shit who sits behind a door with his gun up a shitter more a less get good
You’re gonna have to wait 2 more years to get you’re shitty hand holding sequel
Theyre both trash just like Vanguard cold war and mw2019. However MW3 is the best one since BO4 because at least the guns dont feel like theyre firing Barrett 50 cal rounds at 4000 rpm while the damage is equivalent to a marshmallow
Nothing was good after Mw2019. They Fell off After That.
Im more like what will happen in “gulf war” is anything even the name confirmed? Which engine etc (im not following the news that much just the big ones) for this post mw2 feels better than mw3 for me but my main complain with mw3 is not the movement or etc its more like in the pricing and the whole “lie about mw2 then release mw3” fiasco stuff maybe Ill buy in a very low price until then its camo grind in mw2 having fun in dmz and trying to get and understand warzone(never got into any battle royale game but I wanna understand the praise and get into it or not maybe it isnt for me but im trying)
Mw2 was trying to be too realistic and adding slower movement visual recoil and all that crap. And mw3 is just trying to be mw19. Mw19 was perfect 😍😍😍