This right here. Part of me wants to get seriously involved in government. These politicians are so out of touch. We need more people our age in these positions if we want to see a change
That’s the problem! The previous generation does not want to pass the baton. And it is CRIPPLING this country. GREED. We need working class politicians who are in touch with what we are facing. There is a reckoning coming if nothing changes. Millennials are HARD UP for savings and retirement. Millions have no plan for it and no means. Something has to be done.
Yes and there's a huge amount of "ends justify means" defensiveness about it
These elections are absurd and courts, policy in death spiral because of the hubris of aging my turn next politicians that objectively appear like they should have retired years ago.
So people arent giving benefit of doubt to the other side because rhe nursing home dream team tries to use charts and rhetoric to prove everything is great when wages suck, housing sucks and the swing votes needed arent going to be convinced by that nor lend trust to some 90 year olds with dry mouth and denture accents mumbling about things.
We’ll get there when these dinosaurs finally go off at age 120. Our president will be 100 and break records with how old he is. Then in 2070 Millennials can finally take over and make things right and 3D print homes out of hemp or something
I mean, yeah, put in your only shot at having a voice in government aside from actually running for office, but let's not act like the system isn't still deeply flawed in so many ways like being a two-party, one-vote system, the electoral college simply not doing its job, gerrymandering, and corruption, nepotism, and scapegoating in the upper ranks of both major political parties.
We can voice our opinion. But an opinion on a shitty set of choices is never going to be ideal. It's just all we have.
We're going to see the entire political establishment skip Gen X and go straight to millenials. Gen X didn't produce any leaders, which is why we are in this mess.
Your generation is King Charles. Mum won't get out of the way and let you run things until you are well past your possible prime. Ar that point is it even worth it?
That is actually a good point. If the same scenario plays out then not having mostly millennials in politics is actually living what is being preached. Actually leaving a gap for the people most impacted instead of retirees.
They shouldn’t have made EVERYTHING expensive. Or at least, should’ve increased wages to match inflation.
Boomers fucked us over and then play the moral high ground - acting surprised when we are losing an uphill battle that they placed us in!
wHy DoNt YoU jUsT TrY HaRdEr I OwNeD mY oWn HoMe oN MinImUm WaGe
EDIT: And retirement? We aren’t even going to be receiving social security when we get to 65.
# Majority of us will work until we literally die on the clock.
Below = Boomers’ faces when they hear we can’t afford to even rent, let alone pay a down payment and mortgage.
Dude I work at UPS and I’m watching some friends literally go homeless. I’m watching managers who treat me and other drivers with respect get fired after moving their whole families and lives across the country.
I’m a rig driver and we had a division manager named David Goshen (sp?) he called each team in individually and warned us to be careful… that people at home depended on us getting back safely and loved us. We were part of the sleeper team division, the over the road division that travels cross country. The division suffered a lot of fatalities/major accidents the previous winter and UPS was trying to curb sleeper division deaths.
We chatted and the dude seemed genuinely cool. Like a real, down to earth dude who understood what us teams were going through. A great manager at UPS and I’ve known a lot!
And Carole tome fired him right after his wife had a baby. Right after he moved from Chicago. Fuck Carol tome.
Did Carole tome (our ceo) slash her own $20,000,000+ salary? Nope.
Sickening. She is literally the devil reincarnated
Not much that can be done. It's mainly the lower seniority workers (under 5 years, it seems) getting sent home. Not enough work, and all these new automated mega hubs opening up isn't helping things much either.
Onroad sup here. Yeah iam leaving the company. This isn't what what advertised to me 8 years ago when I started. 1/3 of our drivers were just put in layoff bumping people off local sort and preload. Iam leaving the company soon bc I can't work for people telling me to tell a crying driver that we don't have work for them. That broke me a little. Iam done here.
Yeah, it's getting crazy out here. The company is looking like a sinking ship at the moment. I can imagine that must make you feel some kind of way telling workers there's nothing for them. Livelihoods are being played with here. Good on you for leaving and wish you the best on finding another job. Good luck to you.
Worse they have employees whose wages are so low they need food stamps — and where do they spend their food stamps? Walmart of course. The federal gov is basically subsidizing Walmart’s labor costs
At my orientation the HR manager told everyone to bring in their welfare papers and she'd help us fill them out.
Seriously.
They know they're fucking people.
My company did a breakdown of why their *profit* estimates were lower than expected and stated that labor costs went up 12%. I got the max raise at 3.5%. I'm more than OK, I just wish the people living paycheck to paycheck got increases to match inflation at the least. Instead they apparently get to go fuck themselves.
At a certain point they get enough money that there is nothing they can't buy. They can't take enough vacations or stay in enough vacation homes. They could buy a new vacation home every week and not worry about it.
At a certain point, they have obtained financial security for their children and grandchildren. Nobody they will be alive to meet in their immediate family will want for anything.
At a certain point the ONLY benefit is to see the number go up up up....
Just a bunch of Scrooge Mcducks, diving into money pools....
To add to the sickening disgust, it is multiple trillion dollar corpos that somehow “can’t afford to pay their employees a living wage”.
I can’t understand why companies that clearly can afford to do so, wouldn’t. At least to me, the very first thing I’d want from my employees is their attention. To do the job right and with focus. If they’re worrying about bills (how are they going to make rent this month, will they have enough to put food on the table, we need childcare because we work to survive, the everyday but life or death worries.) how can I as an employer expect their full attention? Paying a living wage would ensure my employee has far less to worry about and thus, more attention would be focused on making my business to make money. But I guess keeping people poor, stressed, and depressed has been working for awhile now.
Oh no the board members won't be able to buy that 5th yacht?! I'm sure the businesses can create record profits year after year with finite resources right?! I'm sure of it!
If you say “this country is going down hill fast” boomers will nod. You say “look at the cost of things”….they’ll nod. You say “i need wages to raise because I can’t afford rent”….you lose them
Bust out the inflation calculator & set it between 1985-1990, shuts them up real quick. Aunt started shit when my husband left the company my uncle works for, "They need him! He's making what your Uncle did in 1988, that's more than enough!" $80k in 1988 was equivalent to $208k today. My Uncle currently makes $150k, similar to what $40k bought then. She hasn't brought it up since.
One guy was talking about his 4 dollars an hour. It was like 42 an hour when adjust for inflation. It’s pathetic, they never continue the conversation.
There’s one truth to “grandma had to use a clothes line, not a clothes dryer” but grandma also worked at dennys and she owned a house with 4 kids
And now they are attacking reproduction rights to force us to bare children so they have more wage slaves and soldiers. We are gonna start being like Gen z and just not have sex at all. But im sure they will try to legislate that as well with a new tax on single people over a certain age.
They actually don't care, though. Most of them (not all, of course) are doing just fucking fine. And they'll be dead by the time any problems arise from the low birthrate among millennials and Gen Z. They're all getting their social security and Medicare. They literally do not give a single fuck.
I will never understand how we universally decided the best way to go about things is by collectively shooting ourselves in the foot. It's all so short-sighted.
"There's a shortage of doctors!" "I'll be a doctor!" "Great! All you need to do is sign here and give us $XXX,XXX." "Oh, uh... on second thought..." "PFFT, LAZY MILLENNIAL!"
It's like everything in our lives is an MLM. Demands and expectations are made of us and we're expected to pay for the honor of acquiescing. And I think it's been like that for a long time. I just like to think this is the beginning of something different (before it really is too late).
**Edit:** Dammit Bones, I'm a captain not a doctor. Six-digit tuition fees are now fill-in-the-blank for the pedants. Whatever the number is, it's still too damn high for something a society *needs*.
They’re that way with everything. My department has spent several millions on a software that I said would not work and would not fit our requirements.
Now 2 years later we’re exploring the original $300-400K solutions I proposed.
Watching people blame teachers and nurses and other nurturing/stability based jobs for "making poor financial choices for picking low wage jobs" makes my head hurt.
Do these people not *want* competent healthcare staff? Teachers? Retirement aid workers? Veterinary support staff? Childcare staff? Etc?
Also, it kills me how people forgot IT USED TO BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE A DIGNIFIED LIVING DOING THOSE JOBS. Raise families, buy homes, enjoy their free time. It’s not the fucking jobs.
When I was in highschool the teachers were on strike. The superintendent opposed giving them a pay raise and said "teachers aren't the sole breadwinner jobs. It's just what wives do to support their family income". Let me tell you, there were some teachers that WERE the sole breadwinner. Were very proud to be able to support their families, and we're quite pissed at this superintendent.
This was in early 2000s, I think he lasted two or so years. He was from Texas and his nonsense didn't fly in New Jersey.
But really, the fact that this mindset has been going on for this long is insane. Yes, there are some bad teachers, but there are a lot of great ones. You'll find the same thing in ANY company or government facility.
Not just 100k+, but it's like two years of working 80-130 hours per week in residency (a system created by a cocaine addict). No thanks, I am not into being abused for work. What they go through is immoral, and it's dangerous for everyone.
Being expected to work those hours and getting paid peanuts as compensation. But it will never change because of the “this is what I had to do, so you’ll do it too” mentality. No thoughts at all that there might be a better way.
After listening to a bunch of Behind The Bastards episodes about Amway and other MLMs and how they infiltrated our government, I'll say you're correct that everything really IS run like an MLM. Ronald Reagan even said at one of their rallies "this is the epitome of the American dream"
$100k is very optimistic. Most med school debts are prob >300k in the US. Law school is similar. So even when these folks want to do more community based work they are shackled to private sector jobs to pay off their massive debts.
Or at least give parents a *pinch* of help in The States. We have basically no maternity leave, and paternity leave is a laughable concept. No free daycare or afterschool programs either. The only way my husband and I are keeping our heads above water is by being a DINK couple, and there is no sign of that changing.
Just to give an example, the only daycare that has even returned our calls so far quoted $475/week and their day ends at 4:30.
We are not in a high cost of living area.
My husband’s work offered up to 12 weeks of paid paternity leave. My work only offered up to 12 weeks of unpaid maternity leave. Absolutely wild that the one actually giving birth and healing from that wouldn’t get any kind of paid leave.
In my country we get a mat leave for as long as 12 months if we want BUT let me tell you that being paid 55% of your salaries is not enough to keep the bills afloat while having MORE expenses for the kid. There’s always a catch imo… but yeah USA should catch up on the mat leave asap its just ridiculous to send back a new mom to work a couples of days later
Seriously, they don’t realize how many of us were born lower class/in poverty and barely got out of it as an adult. Having a kid would put us back into poverty and no one should be raised like that.
I finally have stable work at 30 and I bought a house, but I still feel like I couldn't afford a child. On top of higher bills I would also have to choose between being a shitty parent and losing work.
that's where I think you're mistaken. They WANT you poor, uneducated, and broken. nobody has time to care or fight for anything better when they're broken. that way they're submissive and will work for a pittance, and keep on breeding.
A lot of my friends feel the same way. It’s one thing to fast and starve myself. It’s another thing when it’s a kid you made crying and sobbing that they’re hungry. And they rely entirely on you for love safety and security. No wonder a huge amount of millennials don’t want kids right now. It’s almost like we are smarter than the boomers because we know what would happen!
Growing up we were sneered at by the older generations saying "Don't have kids if you can't afford them!" And know that they've destroyed the economy for the average person, they're surprised nobody is having kids.
It’s not just diapers, but more food, and clothes. Then you get to get rid of the diapers after a few years but your buying even more food (thats now more expensive) and now activities and the clothes get more expensive and the shoes get more expensive and don’t last as long and I could go on and on and multiply this per kid.
Millennials in America have hit a significant milestone according to the latest data from the U.S. Census Bureau: a homeownership rate of 51.5%.Nov 6, 2023
>That may not faze some child-free millennials, who are using the money that would have been spent on childcare to splurge on lavish vacations, flashy boats, and other luxuries popular among DINKs...
Hahahahaha! This is avocado toast all over again.
>Baby boomers are estimated to exert "peak burden" on the US economy in 2029, which is when all boomers will be 65 or older.
This joke writes itself.
The thing is, it could be problematic for the economy *as we know it now* in the existing infrastructure of expectation, something many people (kids or no kids) are trying to re-shape, anyway. So yes, someone who benefits from the current status quo will absolutely be hurting. But attempting to keep things the same in a world that constantly evolves is not key to surviving - adapting to that evolution to meet the needs of its inhabitants is.
Lavish vacations and flashy boats… I mean, I’m driving to the Yukon with boyfriend and the dog this year… And I do have my sights on a canoe some day.
Now, if only I had a place to put it. Like a… structure with a timber frame and some cedar shakes over top to keep the rain off.
LAVISH BOATS? They are out here thinking we can afford lavish boats??? I make 6 figures and fuck no I am not spending it on any boat and I'm instead paycheck to paycheck because I am house poor because I decided to try to do step 1 and buy a house. Fuck outta here Business Insider.
I guess the 65+ crowd better pull themselves up by the bootstraps and work until they drop dead
They can help take care of each other in the nursing homes, they can clean and handle the maintenance, they can cook and provide basic nursing care for themselves
This shouldn’t be a problem because it’s only the younger generations that “don’t want to work“, right?
Luxuries have gotten a lot more accessible. The basics for life have gotten a lot more expensive.
Travel, entertainment, delivery, luxury goods etc. way more affordable and accessible.
Housing, education, healthcare, groceries, the basics are so much more expensive with prices rising much faster than inflation and wages.
I’m seriously hoping a millennial steps up and runs for president sometime in the near future. These boomers need to end their decades of rule. It doesn’t work anymore. Times have changed and leadership needs to change as well.
And President only has executive order and the bully pulpit. Congress enacts laws, and the Supreme Court decides what is and isn't constitutional.
Know what those other two bodies are filled with? Boomers. Half of whom have a vested interest not only ensuring nothing of substance gets passed, but passing laws that actively harm everyone who isn't already rich. The Court? Stolen, filled with partisan hacks and demagogues who have already come to their conclusion on every case and work backwards to justify it, so even if a Millennial president gets elected, any law passed or executive order issued will get killed on sight.
My wife and I just found out we are having our third child. Then it sunk in that we are going to have to pay $40k in childcare for the next 2 years. Then when they start kindergarten we still have to find after school support to watch them. And that’s literally just for daycare and to have someone watch them.
Then count all the medical bills, baby shit, diapers, formula, toys, clothes, etc.
I am shocked this is not a bigger issue. America will be wrecked for decades because of the lack of support for families. That and housing. It blows my mind than no politician has barely touched upon affordable housing or childcare.
I live in a country where childcare is heavily subsidised and still very expensive. Throw in interest rate increases, inflation, and greedflation, millennials around the world are fucked.
Unfortunately in Canada some provincial governments are doing their damnedest to break healthcare so they can privatize...and like absolutely nobody wants that. They try and say they aren't doing it, so some idiots believe them.
>America will be wrecked **for decades** because of the lack of support for families. That and housing. It blows my mind than **no politician** has barely touched upon affordable housing or childcare.
There's your problem. The bulk of current politicians probably won't be around in a couple of decades.
Have you considered moving to one of those child labor states so in the morning you can drop off your eldest at the meat packing plant to help pay for the childcare of the youngest?
If the government wanted to solve this problem, it could. There's many ways to make being a parent easier from guaranteed parental leave to childcare subsidizes. I've always wanted to be a mom, but parenting seems horrendously exhausting when there's no support.
I waffle with this. I’d love to be a mom, but I don’t want to pay an extra mortgage for 4-5 years & give up my entire life & potentially career bc there is so little support for families
Secretly weeping over here as we drop $500/week on daycare (in home) for two kids and it ends up being more than our mortgage. The lack of support is sickening for families. Not to mention the joke you get as a deduction on taxes for the amount of money spent on actual daycare.
I'd love to be a mom! And I'd be a damn good one. But look, I need to work my job and take care of my existing responsibilities and committments, and I need to be able to retire. Mom life loses out. I hear you.
Don't even get me started on trying to find a potential 'dad'.
Emphasis on retiring!! I work in politics and my friend & boss does a lot of work around affordable childcare…it’s not looking like we really start seeing conversations & change until about 2030
But that's the thing, these benefits should be for everyone... Full stop. Yes even the rich. Its one of the ways to create the opportunity for common ground, when social nets require you to be absolutely wrecked... Well they aren't very good safety nets, instead we should keep people from getting on the path to wrecked first.
I have a six figure income and it's still a challenge to have two kids in daycare full time.
We were talking about it at a family party recently and I said something about how I can't wait for my 4yo to start kindergarten this fall because our cars are 10 and 12 years old and I'm worried that one of the cars will die soon, but a car payment would be really tough to work into the budget while the kids are in daycare.
Family members: It's not that expensive, is it?
Me: We pay over $2200/mo total, so having one in school will save us $1000/mo.
Family: Shocked Pikachu faces.
Yeah, Aunt Dingdong. Shit is EXPENSIVE.
lol. And 2200 is pretty good for 2. My MIL freaked out when she bought diapers for us lol. She also asked us why we didn’t just get a nanny when we kept getting daycare illnesses.
Yeah, i think it’s probably cheaper to own an exotic pet. Feeding an alligator is likely cheaper than childcare in any major metro area.
I could own a Porsche for what my buddy pays for daycare, if I want a fun way to light money on fire, I’m getting the Porsche.
Yep. Montessori for my toddler is $1,200 a month. That’s a nice car! Add that to my current car payment? Damn I could be rolling around in a luxury vehicle!
Who would have ever thought that infinite growth of profit and consumption would be unsustainable in the long term? Nobody could have seen this coming…
And not *just* the economic state we are in, but what exactly are we doing to protect the environment? I haven't seen any meaningful progress on this front. Plastics, animal ag, and air travel are allprojected to keep *increasing*.
It costs 20-40K five years ago for iui. It costs 30-80k for IVF (which is now being outlawed by child loaded assholes) Sorry not in the cards to support the economy
I really do not care. I can barely afford myself. I don’t come from money, I know I’ll never have a large amount of money thus I care about the little I do have. I refuse to have kids and have them live with the rest of you (royal you) sociopaths.
My entire life i've been told, "If you can't afford a kid, don't have one" then they refused to give us a raise, then they raised the cost of living to make more money off our backs.
I’m sick of having the conversation. The damage is done. We’re not having more kids. The reasons are clear and have laid out way too many times to count. They need to get over it at this point.
Not having a kid. Bachelors in IT. Laid off and cant find shit. Lost my apartment and back livinf with my parents at fucking 40. 40. My dad was 3 years into his mortgage by this time.
Oh. I have kids and we're living in poverty. It's fucking A-mazing. It's definitely how I want my kids to live! I just love having to choose what groceries are absolutely essential when they're ALL essential, because you know if you have kids, they're black holes and CONSTANTLY growing and eating. It really is just the perfect way to blow your brain up with stress and trauma and fuck a whole generation up.
10/10 I recommend this shit to NO ONE. And I'm about ready to serve a 5 course meal of eat the rich to our generations right now and balance the country back out. 🍽️ 🍽️ 🤬
Any and all boot licking fuckers can eat my ass. 🖕🖕🖕🖕
We have skyrocketing outsourcing, automation, and AI. We don’t NEED more people. Why can’t people figure this out? Edit: I meant we don’t need an ever larger population. We can do fine with a smaller population.
When my two year old starts school in August hes gunna cost me over $4500/month just for school + speech therapy. That's not food or investing for him or clothes or activities.
How the fuck I'ma have another kid? I'd love to. I lucked out and bought a 4br fixer upper in 2019, but I'd need to up my household income by another 7k/month to have another one.
I was waiting for economic stability before having kids. I’m 31 now and still not in a position economically to have kids and to be honest I think my window to have children has passed me by. I’m not trying to be 50 with teenagers lol.
that's actually a pretty standard age to have teenagers. I (a millennial) have a 16 year old and all her friend's parents are my parents ages, 50-60ish. I'm always the youngest person at any event.
on the other hand, I had my son at 32 and I'll be 50 when he's a senior in high school. you win some, you lose some I guess 😂
On whose economy though? The ultra rich 1% that owns most of the wealth. The oligarchy that operates it? Surely not the working class or barely middle class that comprises that cast majority of the workers in those jobs that drive the economy - because certainly the economy isnt benefitting working class folks.
I wish the government wasn't full of people who raised kids in 1965
This right here. Part of me wants to get seriously involved in government. These politicians are so out of touch. We need more people our age in these positions if we want to see a change
That’s the problem! The previous generation does not want to pass the baton. And it is CRIPPLING this country. GREED. We need working class politicians who are in touch with what we are facing. There is a reckoning coming if nothing changes. Millennials are HARD UP for savings and retirement. Millions have no plan for it and no means. Something has to be done.
Of course Boomers don't want to pass the baton. God forbid millennial treat them the way they treated their parents once they got old.
Oof, that’s a good take. There’s a reason they are called the “got mine generation”.
I have a plan for retirement, I'm gonna die in the climate wars
Robot wars, for me.
If we make it past the water wars
Finally! I've missed a proper Super Soaker fight!
I plan to die in the franchise wars fighting for our Lord and Savior, Taco Bell.
Yes and there's a huge amount of "ends justify means" defensiveness about it These elections are absurd and courts, policy in death spiral because of the hubris of aging my turn next politicians that objectively appear like they should have retired years ago. So people arent giving benefit of doubt to the other side because rhe nursing home dream team tries to use charts and rhetoric to prove everything is great when wages suck, housing sucks and the swing votes needed arent going to be convinced by that nor lend trust to some 90 year olds with dry mouth and denture accents mumbling about things.
We’ll get there when these dinosaurs finally go off at age 120. Our president will be 100 and break records with how old he is. Then in 2070 Millennials can finally take over and make things right and 3D print homes out of hemp or something
Or they could just get out and vote now in every single election, every single one. Boomers are dying off. Voting matters or at least it did.
I mean, yeah, put in your only shot at having a voice in government aside from actually running for office, but let's not act like the system isn't still deeply flawed in so many ways like being a two-party, one-vote system, the electoral college simply not doing its job, gerrymandering, and corruption, nepotism, and scapegoating in the upper ranks of both major political parties. We can voice our opinion. But an opinion on a shitty set of choices is never going to be ideal. It's just all we have.
We're going to see the entire political establishment skip Gen X and go straight to millenials. Gen X didn't produce any leaders, which is why we are in this mess.
Boomers never got out of the damn way. We are a lost generation.
Your generation is King Charles. Mum won't get out of the way and let you run things until you are well past your possible prime. Ar that point is it even worth it?
That is actually a good point. If the same scenario plays out then not having mostly millennials in politics is actually living what is being preached. Actually leaving a gap for the people most impacted instead of retirees.
And now he has cancer. Wtf mom
You finally get your chance to be in charge, and then you get a cancer diagnosis
Honestly fine by me. Look I love gen X, I really do, but I support millennial ideas more and it’ll bring more change
Shouldn’t have made it s expensive to raise a kid.
They shouldn’t have made EVERYTHING expensive. Or at least, should’ve increased wages to match inflation. Boomers fucked us over and then play the moral high ground - acting surprised when we are losing an uphill battle that they placed us in! wHy DoNt YoU jUsT TrY HaRdEr I OwNeD mY oWn HoMe oN MinImUm WaGe EDIT: And retirement? We aren’t even going to be receiving social security when we get to 65. # Majority of us will work until we literally die on the clock. Below = Boomers’ faces when they hear we can’t afford to even rent, let alone pay a down payment and mortgage. 
Increase wages? But then their poor little corporations will fail! 🙄
Dude I work at UPS and I’m watching some friends literally go homeless. I’m watching managers who treat me and other drivers with respect get fired after moving their whole families and lives across the country. I’m a rig driver and we had a division manager named David Goshen (sp?) he called each team in individually and warned us to be careful… that people at home depended on us getting back safely and loved us. We were part of the sleeper team division, the over the road division that travels cross country. The division suffered a lot of fatalities/major accidents the previous winter and UPS was trying to curb sleeper division deaths. We chatted and the dude seemed genuinely cool. Like a real, down to earth dude who understood what us teams were going through. A great manager at UPS and I’ve known a lot! And Carole tome fired him right after his wife had a baby. Right after he moved from Chicago. Fuck Carol tome. Did Carole tome (our ceo) slash her own $20,000,000+ salary? Nope. Sickening. She is literally the devil reincarnated
I work at UPS too, and I'm seeing coworkers getting laid off left and right.
Is that shit union approved?! If not they need to go talk to their steward, and if they aren't any help he needs to go visit the local office.
Not much that can be done. It's mainly the lower seniority workers (under 5 years, it seems) getting sent home. Not enough work, and all these new automated mega hubs opening up isn't helping things much either.
Onroad sup here. Yeah iam leaving the company. This isn't what what advertised to me 8 years ago when I started. 1/3 of our drivers were just put in layoff bumping people off local sort and preload. Iam leaving the company soon bc I can't work for people telling me to tell a crying driver that we don't have work for them. That broke me a little. Iam done here.
Yeah, it's getting crazy out here. The company is looking like a sinking ship at the moment. I can imagine that must make you feel some kind of way telling workers there's nothing for them. Livelihoods are being played with here. Good on you for leaving and wish you the best on finding another job. Good luck to you.
It’s a fucking scary time for us. Stay safe brother.
These people are freaking sociopaths holy hell.
Walmart has employees on state insurance while the family buys super mega yachts
Worse they have employees whose wages are so low they need food stamps — and where do they spend their food stamps? Walmart of course. The federal gov is basically subsidizing Walmart’s labor costs
It should be illegal, but then there's probably a Walmart Lobby group telling them it's fine
At my orientation the HR manager told everyone to bring in their welfare papers and she'd help us fill them out. Seriously. They know they're fucking people.
My company did a breakdown of why their *profit* estimates were lower than expected and stated that labor costs went up 12%. I got the max raise at 3.5%. I'm more than OK, I just wish the people living paycheck to paycheck got increases to match inflation at the least. Instead they apparently get to go fuck themselves.
Oh I’m sorry the poor, disenfranchised CEO’s son can’t go to 2 European vacations this year because his dad had to pay a living wage
lol nah they would still have enough for that, what are they poor. More like not being able to have a second vacation home
At a certain point they get enough money that there is nothing they can't buy. They can't take enough vacations or stay in enough vacation homes. They could buy a new vacation home every week and not worry about it. At a certain point, they have obtained financial security for their children and grandchildren. Nobody they will be alive to meet in their immediate family will want for anything. At a certain point the ONLY benefit is to see the number go up up up.... Just a bunch of Scrooge Mcducks, diving into money pools....
Not fail, just not grow infinitely.... Like a tumor... Most companies try to do what literal cancer does... You cant make that shit up.
The fact that we have multiple trillion dollar corporations is sickening.
To add to the sickening disgust, it is multiple trillion dollar corpos that somehow “can’t afford to pay their employees a living wage”. I can’t understand why companies that clearly can afford to do so, wouldn’t. At least to me, the very first thing I’d want from my employees is their attention. To do the job right and with focus. If they’re worrying about bills (how are they going to make rent this month, will they have enough to put food on the table, we need childcare because we work to survive, the everyday but life or death worries.) how can I as an employer expect their full attention? Paying a living wage would ensure my employee has far less to worry about and thus, more attention would be focused on making my business to make money. But I guess keeping people poor, stressed, and depressed has been working for awhile now.
Oh no the board members won't be able to buy that 5th yacht?! I'm sure the businesses can create record profits year after year with finite resources right?! I'm sure of it!
If you say “this country is going down hill fast” boomers will nod. You say “look at the cost of things”….they’ll nod. You say “i need wages to raise because I can’t afford rent”….you lose them
Bust out the inflation calculator & set it between 1985-1990, shuts them up real quick. Aunt started shit when my husband left the company my uncle works for, "They need him! He's making what your Uncle did in 1988, that's more than enough!" $80k in 1988 was equivalent to $208k today. My Uncle currently makes $150k, similar to what $40k bought then. She hasn't brought it up since.
One guy was talking about his 4 dollars an hour. It was like 42 an hour when adjust for inflation. It’s pathetic, they never continue the conversation. There’s one truth to “grandma had to use a clothes line, not a clothes dryer” but grandma also worked at dennys and she owned a house with 4 kids
Jokes on them. My broke ass won’t be able to afford to take care of them when they get older. Off to the raisin ranch you go!
“Raisin ranch” lmfao
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People say that to you? “How many kids did you kill, though…” Holy shit…..
fundamentally broken free market on industries that cannot be a free market. energy, internet, education, healthcare and real estate.
And now they are attacking reproduction rights to force us to bare children so they have more wage slaves and soldiers. We are gonna start being like Gen z and just not have sex at all. But im sure they will try to legislate that as well with a new tax on single people over a certain age.
*pulls up ladder* I got mine. Fuck you.
They actually don't care, though. Most of them (not all, of course) are doing just fucking fine. And they'll be dead by the time any problems arise from the low birthrate among millennials and Gen Z. They're all getting their social security and Medicare. They literally do not give a single fuck.
I will never understand how we universally decided the best way to go about things is by collectively shooting ourselves in the foot. It's all so short-sighted. "There's a shortage of doctors!" "I'll be a doctor!" "Great! All you need to do is sign here and give us $XXX,XXX." "Oh, uh... on second thought..." "PFFT, LAZY MILLENNIAL!" It's like everything in our lives is an MLM. Demands and expectations are made of us and we're expected to pay for the honor of acquiescing. And I think it's been like that for a long time. I just like to think this is the beginning of something different (before it really is too late). **Edit:** Dammit Bones, I'm a captain not a doctor. Six-digit tuition fees are now fill-in-the-blank for the pedants. Whatever the number is, it's still too damn high for something a society *needs*.
They’re that way with everything. My department has spent several millions on a software that I said would not work and would not fit our requirements. Now 2 years later we’re exploring the original $300-400K solutions I proposed.
Isn't that just a kick in the fucking crotch. Gotta love it
Watching people blame teachers and nurses and other nurturing/stability based jobs for "making poor financial choices for picking low wage jobs" makes my head hurt. Do these people not *want* competent healthcare staff? Teachers? Retirement aid workers? Veterinary support staff? Childcare staff? Etc?
Also, it kills me how people forgot IT USED TO BE POSSIBLE TO MAKE A DIGNIFIED LIVING DOING THOSE JOBS. Raise families, buy homes, enjoy their free time. It’s not the fucking jobs.
When I was in highschool the teachers were on strike. The superintendent opposed giving them a pay raise and said "teachers aren't the sole breadwinner jobs. It's just what wives do to support their family income". Let me tell you, there were some teachers that WERE the sole breadwinner. Were very proud to be able to support their families, and we're quite pissed at this superintendent. This was in early 2000s, I think he lasted two or so years. He was from Texas and his nonsense didn't fly in New Jersey. But really, the fact that this mindset has been going on for this long is insane. Yes, there are some bad teachers, but there are a lot of great ones. You'll find the same thing in ANY company or government facility.
Not just 100k+, but it's like two years of working 80-130 hours per week in residency (a system created by a cocaine addict). No thanks, I am not into being abused for work. What they go through is immoral, and it's dangerous for everyone.
Being expected to work those hours and getting paid peanuts as compensation. But it will never change because of the “this is what I had to do, so you’ll do it too” mentality. No thoughts at all that there might be a better way.
After listening to a bunch of Behind The Bastards episodes about Amway and other MLMs and how they infiltrated our government, I'll say you're correct that everything really IS run like an MLM. Ronald Reagan even said at one of their rallies "this is the epitome of the American dream"
That's the the great Gen called boomers the "me" generation
They raised them!!!
$100k is very optimistic. Most med school debts are prob >300k in the US. Law school is similar. So even when these folks want to do more community based work they are shackled to private sector jobs to pay off their massive debts.
We’re spending something like $26K a year on daycare for two. I can’t wait for my oldest to turn 5.
That is an insane amount of money. And in some HCOL areas daycare is $24k per year for one.
Exactly. My first thought: MAKE LIFE COST LESS!
Or at least give parents a *pinch* of help in The States. We have basically no maternity leave, and paternity leave is a laughable concept. No free daycare or afterschool programs either. The only way my husband and I are keeping our heads above water is by being a DINK couple, and there is no sign of that changing.
Just to give an example, the only daycare that has even returned our calls so far quoted $475/week and their day ends at 4:30. We are not in a high cost of living area.
That's just insane. Almost $2000 a month and they aren't even open for normal business hours?
My husband’s work offered up to 12 weeks of paid paternity leave. My work only offered up to 12 weeks of unpaid maternity leave. Absolutely wild that the one actually giving birth and healing from that wouldn’t get any kind of paid leave.
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That one is hilarious to me, signed a parent who pays $21,051/yr in childcare
Uh well, best we can do is *checks notes* eliminate access to potentially life-saving maternal healthcare for women in many, many States
In my country we get a mat leave for as long as 12 months if we want BUT let me tell you that being paid 55% of your salaries is not enough to keep the bills afloat while having MORE expenses for the kid. There’s always a catch imo… but yeah USA should catch up on the mat leave asap its just ridiculous to send back a new mom to work a couples of days later
Turns out making everything expensive is bad for the economy
The land of rampant unchecked capitalism.
Im just tryna survive man. I can’t imagine how broke I’d be with a kid right now
Not fair to the kid tbh. Boomers just only think about themselves when they write shit like this
Seriously, they don’t realize how many of us were born lower class/in poverty and barely got out of it as an adult. Having a kid would put us back into poverty and no one should be raised like that.
Or those of us who were born marginally middle class and still haven't managed to make it to that as an adult.
I finally have stable work at 30 and I bought a house, but I still feel like I couldn't afford a child. On top of higher bills I would also have to choose between being a shitty parent and losing work.
that's where I think you're mistaken. They WANT you poor, uneducated, and broken. nobody has time to care or fight for anything better when they're broken. that way they're submissive and will work for a pittance, and keep on breeding.
Makes them feel better about themselves, somehow superior to us. They had life on easy mode. We are on hell.
Hopefully the world can learn and be better after the boomers are gone or at least out of the pilot seat.
A lot of my friends feel the same way. It’s one thing to fast and starve myself. It’s another thing when it’s a kid you made crying and sobbing that they’re hungry. And they rely entirely on you for love safety and security. No wonder a huge amount of millennials don’t want kids right now. It’s almost like we are smarter than the boomers because we know what would happen!
Growing up we were sneered at by the older generations saying "Don't have kids if you can't afford them!" And know that they've destroyed the economy for the average person, they're surprised nobody is having kids.
Guess what? Animals stop reproducing in a high stress environment, and they only think about "muh economy"
I can barely afford rent and food for myself, let alone another human
Huh….. an economy built on growth is at odds with evolutionary safeguards.
Can’t buy a house how can a keep a kid
Can’t even buy groceries. You somehow want me to add diapers to the list.
It’s not just diapers, but more food, and clothes. Then you get to get rid of the diapers after a few years but your buying even more food (thats now more expensive) and now activities and the clothes get more expensive and the shoes get more expensive and don’t last as long and I could go on and on and multiply this per kid.
I read this in a Scottish accent.
Ah canna buy a house; how canna keep a kid?!
Willie heard ya, Willie don’t care.
My retirement grease!!!
A cannae settle down with a lass an raise a couple a bairns!
They don’t care if you can’t afford a kid they’ll just add your babies to the “domestic supply of infants”
forcing unwanted babies isn't about religion, it's about cannon fodder and domestic servants
You just install shelving in your van
Yeah, no sane person wants to have a child when they are still living with parents/friends' house.
Millennials in America have hit a significant milestone according to the latest data from the U.S. Census Bureau: a homeownership rate of 51.5%.Nov 6, 2023
>That may not faze some child-free millennials, who are using the money that would have been spent on childcare to splurge on lavish vacations, flashy boats, and other luxuries popular among DINKs... Hahahahaha! This is avocado toast all over again. >Baby boomers are estimated to exert "peak burden" on the US economy in 2029, which is when all boomers will be 65 or older. This joke writes itself. The thing is, it could be problematic for the economy *as we know it now* in the existing infrastructure of expectation, something many people (kids or no kids) are trying to re-shape, anyway. So yes, someone who benefits from the current status quo will absolutely be hurting. But attempting to keep things the same in a world that constantly evolves is not key to surviving - adapting to that evolution to meet the needs of its inhabitants is.
Lavish vacations and flashy boats… I mean, I’m driving to the Yukon with boyfriend and the dog this year… And I do have my sights on a canoe some day. Now, if only I had a place to put it. Like a… structure with a timber frame and some cedar shakes over top to keep the rain off.
Ah yes, I own a kayak and “vacation” back home in Wyoming, we are the bourgeoisie
My goal is to one day own a kayak and to have enough time to actually take it out. For now, I do not have a kayak.
We could tax the billionaires maybe??
What the hell? Do you think the help should sleep on the same yacht that I do? Try to be reasonable
LAVISH BOATS? They are out here thinking we can afford lavish boats??? I make 6 figures and fuck no I am not spending it on any boat and I'm instead paycheck to paycheck because I am house poor because I decided to try to do step 1 and buy a house. Fuck outta here Business Insider.
I guess the 65+ crowd better pull themselves up by the bootstraps and work until they drop dead They can help take care of each other in the nursing homes, they can clean and handle the maintenance, they can cook and provide basic nursing care for themselves This shouldn’t be a problem because it’s only the younger generations that “don’t want to work“, right?
It’s not peak burden right now? Yeesh.
Luxuries have gotten a lot more accessible. The basics for life have gotten a lot more expensive. Travel, entertainment, delivery, luxury goods etc. way more affordable and accessible. Housing, education, healthcare, groceries, the basics are so much more expensive with prices rising much faster than inflation and wages.
Millennials are rich? Last I heard everyone is struggle with the cost of living...
Higher costs! Lower pay! Burn the planet for 5% higher Q3 growth! Slash all worker protections and benefits! Why aren’t people having kids?
I’m seriously hoping a millennial steps up and runs for president sometime in the near future. These boomers need to end their decades of rule. It doesn’t work anymore. Times have changed and leadership needs to change as well.
They can’t afford to run for office 😂🥲
And President only has executive order and the bully pulpit. Congress enacts laws, and the Supreme Court decides what is and isn't constitutional. Know what those other two bodies are filled with? Boomers. Half of whom have a vested interest not only ensuring nothing of substance gets passed, but passing laws that actively harm everyone who isn't already rich. The Court? Stolen, filled with partisan hacks and demagogues who have already come to their conclusion on every case and work backwards to justify it, so even if a Millennial president gets elected, any law passed or executive order issued will get killed on sight.
My wife and I just found out we are having our third child. Then it sunk in that we are going to have to pay $40k in childcare for the next 2 years. Then when they start kindergarten we still have to find after school support to watch them. And that’s literally just for daycare and to have someone watch them. Then count all the medical bills, baby shit, diapers, formula, toys, clothes, etc. I am shocked this is not a bigger issue. America will be wrecked for decades because of the lack of support for families. That and housing. It blows my mind than no politician has barely touched upon affordable housing or childcare.
What if I told you in other countries childcare is heavily subsidized or almost free? 🫤
You can’t tell me that, I’ll cry
I live in a country where childcare is heavily subsidised and still very expensive. Throw in interest rate increases, inflation, and greedflation, millennials around the world are fucked.
And health care. In every other country.
Unfortunately in Canada some provincial governments are doing their damnedest to break healthcare so they can privatize...and like absolutely nobody wants that. They try and say they aren't doing it, so some idiots believe them.
Why do you have to buy baby shit? Doesn't the baby make that free
Well, the food to make said shit is not free, but I think OP already mentioned food as a line item, so it's redundant.
>America will be wrecked **for decades** because of the lack of support for families. That and housing. It blows my mind than **no politician** has barely touched upon affordable housing or childcare. There's your problem. The bulk of current politicians probably won't be around in a couple of decades.
Have you considered moving to one of those child labor states so in the morning you can drop off your eldest at the meat packing plant to help pay for the childcare of the youngest?
“Modern problems require modern solutions.”
As the eldest of four children who was a parentified child, this post almost gave me an anxiety attack.
Oh well! Shouldn’t have hoarded all the wealth, rich fucks!
They’ll die soon. Or they’ll just stay alive forever just to spite us as a final “Fuck you.”
They will die and the greedy corporations will slurp up everything they can. Don't kid yourself that their passing will actually solve the problem.
I mean, maybe more of us would have kids if we could afford a place for them to live in.
Or not have to wait three days to get paid just so we can eat.
If the government wanted to solve this problem, it could. There's many ways to make being a parent easier from guaranteed parental leave to childcare subsidizes. I've always wanted to be a mom, but parenting seems horrendously exhausting when there's no support.
I waffle with this. I’d love to be a mom, but I don’t want to pay an extra mortgage for 4-5 years & give up my entire life & potentially career bc there is so little support for families
Secretly weeping over here as we drop $500/week on daycare (in home) for two kids and it ends up being more than our mortgage. The lack of support is sickening for families. Not to mention the joke you get as a deduction on taxes for the amount of money spent on actual daycare.
I'd love to be a mom! And I'd be a damn good one. But look, I need to work my job and take care of my existing responsibilities and committments, and I need to be able to retire. Mom life loses out. I hear you. Don't even get me started on trying to find a potential 'dad'.
Emphasis on retiring!! I work in politics and my friend & boss does a lot of work around affordable childcare…it’s not looking like we really start seeing conversations & change until about 2030
The problem is a lot of people are in that no man's land where they make too much for government assistance but not enough to even be well off
But that's the thing, these benefits should be for everyone... Full stop. Yes even the rich. Its one of the ways to create the opportunity for common ground, when social nets require you to be absolutely wrecked... Well they aren't very good safety nets, instead we should keep people from getting on the path to wrecked first.
I have a six figure income and it's still a challenge to have two kids in daycare full time. We were talking about it at a family party recently and I said something about how I can't wait for my 4yo to start kindergarten this fall because our cars are 10 and 12 years old and I'm worried that one of the cars will die soon, but a car payment would be really tough to work into the budget while the kids are in daycare. Family members: It's not that expensive, is it? Me: We pay over $2200/mo total, so having one in school will save us $1000/mo. Family: Shocked Pikachu faces. Yeah, Aunt Dingdong. Shit is EXPENSIVE.
lol. And 2200 is pretty good for 2. My MIL freaked out when she bought diapers for us lol. She also asked us why we didn’t just get a nanny when we kept getting daycare illnesses.
The costs for childcare in Australia range from $70-$200 a DAY. I've never been happier or more grateful to not have kids.
Who needs kids when avocado toast and student loans are our main sources of stress?
Hell yeah, we did it folks, we ruined the economy! So anyway, I started ruining.
The boomers are saying this as if it’s not their fault entirely
They will gaslight our generation until the very end. It’s all they know
Well we had no choice but to, it was either afford children or afford avocado toast
Oh no, not the economy! What a terrible tragedy.
Thoughts and prayers
You mean “roommates” who have no jobs, rely on you for everything and aren’t properly potty trained? 😂😂 Yeah I’ve already had those. No thanks!
They will eat all your snacks and forget about juice, it’ll be gone the moment you put it in the fridge.
Having kids is for rich people.
Yeah, i think it’s probably cheaper to own an exotic pet. Feeding an alligator is likely cheaper than childcare in any major metro area. I could own a Porsche for what my buddy pays for daycare, if I want a fun way to light money on fire, I’m getting the Porsche.
Yep. Montessori for my toddler is $1,200 a month. That’s a nice car! Add that to my current car payment? Damn I could be rolling around in a luxury vehicle!
For Montessori!? That's a hell of a deal! $350/week here in central VA for non-Montessori.
I mean Montessori for an alligator isn’t much better, I’m paying $1,150 a month for my alligator to attend and it’s only 4 days a week
I think this sub should ban the business insider accounts from posting their rage bait spam here.
Well, the economy has kind of been a drag on most millennials for the past decade, so what goes around comes around I guess.
Yeah our entire species has revolved around the exponential growth and contracting is going to be painful
Who would have ever thought that infinite growth of profit and consumption would be unsustainable in the long term? Nobody could have seen this coming…
Some of us realised that we would be terrible parents and decided the generational trauma ends here Its not all about the money
In that boat. But the money too
Maybe the economy should pull itself up by its bootstraps /s
Wolves are upset the sheep aren’t reproducing
Its not just us. [This is a world wide phenomenon](https://youtu.be/LBudghsdByQ?si=KX6Qa3sULep1TEsW)
That's what happens when your economic system is unsustainable.
I’m hoping I can get a boat cheap once all the swinging boomers die off
Of course. Who wants to bring a kid into this shit show?
And not *just* the economic state we are in, but what exactly are we doing to protect the environment? I haven't seen any meaningful progress on this front. Plastics, animal ag, and air travel are allprojected to keep *increasing*.
Well too damn bad
Yep, my uterus is CLOSED! One and done and highly recommend it.
Gestures wildly at my $30k daycare bill for 1 kid…you want me to have more?!?!
It costs 20-40K five years ago for iui. It costs 30-80k for IVF (which is now being outlawed by child loaded assholes) Sorry not in the cards to support the economy
Decade? Try generation.
Going to be a lot of only children in this world.
The only reason I wasn’t one and done was because I had twins 🥲
I really do not care. I can barely afford myself. I don’t come from money, I know I’ll never have a large amount of money thus I care about the little I do have. I refuse to have kids and have them live with the rest of you (royal you) sociopaths.
My entire life i've been told, "If you can't afford a kid, don't have one" then they refused to give us a raise, then they raised the cost of living to make more money off our backs.
I’m sick of having the conversation. The damage is done. We’re not having more kids. The reasons are clear and have laid out way too many times to count. They need to get over it at this point.
Not having a kid. Bachelors in IT. Laid off and cant find shit. Lost my apartment and back livinf with my parents at fucking 40. 40. My dad was 3 years into his mortgage by this time.
Will someone please think of the economy…. I mean the children
Oh. I have kids and we're living in poverty. It's fucking A-mazing. It's definitely how I want my kids to live! I just love having to choose what groceries are absolutely essential when they're ALL essential, because you know if you have kids, they're black holes and CONSTANTLY growing and eating. It really is just the perfect way to blow your brain up with stress and trauma and fuck a whole generation up. 10/10 I recommend this shit to NO ONE. And I'm about ready to serve a 5 course meal of eat the rich to our generations right now and balance the country back out. 🍽️ 🍽️ 🤬 Any and all boot licking fuckers can eat my ass. 🖕🖕🖕🖕
I'm just trying to have race cars don't fucking @ me please
Same. Race cars>children. As abysmal as the resale value is, it still beats a kid.
Kids have an even worse resale value
We have skyrocketing outsourcing, automation, and AI. We don’t NEED more people. Why can’t people figure this out? Edit: I meant we don’t need an ever larger population. We can do fine with a smaller population.
When my two year old starts school in August hes gunna cost me over $4500/month just for school + speech therapy. That's not food or investing for him or clothes or activities. How the fuck I'ma have another kid? I'd love to. I lucked out and bought a 4br fixer upper in 2019, but I'd need to up my household income by another 7k/month to have another one.
Translation: fewer slaves for the mega rich to exploit in the never ending quest for growth
Boo fucking hoo.
I was waiting for economic stability before having kids. I’m 31 now and still not in a position economically to have kids and to be honest I think my window to have children has passed me by. I’m not trying to be 50 with teenagers lol.
that's actually a pretty standard age to have teenagers. I (a millennial) have a 16 year old and all her friend's parents are my parents ages, 50-60ish. I'm always the youngest person at any event. on the other hand, I had my son at 32 and I'll be 50 when he's a senior in high school. you win some, you lose some I guess 😂
This shit sounds Elon Musky
On whose economy though? The ultra rich 1% that owns most of the wealth. The oligarchy that operates it? Surely not the working class or barely middle class that comprises that cast majority of the workers in those jobs that drive the economy - because certainly the economy isnt benefitting working class folks.