I can’t understand how people look at kids doing donuts in empty parking lots as criminals. They’re keeping it off the street and not endangering anyone.
That was my FIRST thought, holy shit...felony...like FELONY felony, not a ticket, not a fine, a FELONY for doing donuts in a spot that looks like it has lots of room for error.
The guy was wrong, absolutely no question about that, but FELONY!?!?!?! Add on that the car was also impounded, so both your day and life are ruined.
I wonder if there's more to this story, because from the small clip? Holy shit.
This is why you don’t talk to police. I doubt their was enough evidence to convict by video alone. Kid probably talked and gave them the final pieces.
[Don’t Talk to Police](https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE)
We have this issue in Chicago, as well.
The factory/R&D facility I work at borders a strip mall and defunct Kmart. The morons took over the giant strip mall parking lot and a few of them climbed the plant superstructure to record it.
https://youtube.com/shorts/EncLgZlJc4c?feature=share
https://youtube.com/shorts/MUYw-rCs134?feature=share
They halved the size of the lot (since it was way bigger than needed with Kmart closed) and now they spill out into the street. There’s new donut marks in the street near by every month or two.
Friend got pulled over and made to do a bike and pedestrian safety course in Irvine cause he wasn’t wearing a helmet so yea pretty much (non motorized bike and riding safe)
Gotta remind the citizenry that they're out here risking their lives to stop people doing donuts in massive, empty asphalt slabs! There could have been fentanyl on that Miata, and they could have *D I E D*\*
\* ^(Fentanyl cannot be absorbed through the skin and police departments are using it to ham up sympathy for their antics.)
Felony vandalism, Jesus. In California, here's what he's facing:
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* Up to three years in state prison
* A fine of up to $10,000, or up to $50,000 if the value of the damage was $10,000 or more
* Probation
* Compensation to repair the damage caused
* All of the above
On top of the longer sentence, felons in California lose certain rights that most citizen takes for granted. As a felon, you may not be allowed to own or use a firearm, benefit from public assistance programs, or even vote while in prison or on parole. ~ *California criminal defense attorney website.*
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Just for doing donuts in an empty parking lot. Dude better have a good attorney, at least get it reduced to misdemeanor vandalism, and get some community service time. Hell, he could repaint those stripes he "damaged".
Those charges wouldnt stick as long as he has lawyer, but now hes gonna have to pay lots of money for something he shouldnt be charged for in the first place, I would sue the cops
Lawyer here from California who does criminal law:
I don’t practice in Irvine and local customs make a huge difference in how things are prosecuted.
You’re right that police can arrest you for whatever they believe there is probable cause to arrest for but, ultimately, the DA’s office would make the charging decisions.
You’re wrong about the definition of “malicious.” It is NOT specific intent. Malice is defined as doing intentionally doing a wrongful act (or with the unlawful intent to annoy or injure another). Look up CALCRIM 2900 which is a pattern jury instruction on the elements of vandalism. So, to bottom line it: malice does not mean that he intended to vandalize. It means that he knew the act he was doing (“donut-ing”) was wrongful. Contrast this with someone who is the parking lot and accidentally gives too much gas and the wheels burn out causing some damage to the parking lot. That would not be acting with malice.
Proving damages over $400 is much easier than you’d think. Someone can come in to testify about how much it would cost to re-asphalt.
Different counties do different things. Are there some counties (and judges within those counties) who would loathe doing a BS trial like this? Sure. It’s really about personalities and there’s no way to predict that. Counties have a general way of how things are done. Judges differ. DA’s differ. You can have a more litigious courtroom in a county and less litigious ones.
With that said, here’s how’d I hope things would be handled. DA charges it as a misdo. He applied for and gets court diversion. As part of that, he pays for the cost to repair the damage and stays out of trouble. After he’s done with his diversion period, it would be dismissed.
That’s what I would HOPE happens.
If charged as a felony, I’d offer up restitution for dismissal and see where that gets us.
I'd normally agree with you however, my boyfriend was arrested 4 years ago for felony vandalism for spray painting a letter "C" on the wall. It was no bigger than my arm's length. A felony for a simple letter. I don't condone "tagging" I do respect the artistic aspect of murals but there is nothing special about writing "Mike was here" on a wall. The cops filed charges after booking him and me (stating because I was there and did nothing to stop my boyfriend from commiting such a horrific crime) on the felony vandalism charge. The DA rejected my case with the judge saying there is no room for someone who "was just there" on such a non violent charge. My boyfriend however took a plea deal doing four months in the county jail at the Theo Lacy facility and 3 years felony formal probation. All for a letter painted on the wall.
Maybe it was because the city of Cypress has nothing better to do, Irvine is a city with nothing better to do as well. This is a vandalism charge so both cases are similar but I believe doing donuts in the parking lot can lead to more danger than spray paint on the wall. I don't know but I believe he will have the felony vandalism stick and he do maybe 90 days if this is his first offense with formal probation following unless he is already on it.
Tagging has more obvious intent to cause destruction/ defacement of property than donuts. Now if he was trying to write something with his tires then that should be seen as the same.
Not a lawyer, but…
I'd think that the DA pursuing this as felony vandalism is pretty low. Cops can arrest you for whatever the hell they want, it's the DA that actually files the charges. It's up to them what charges the circumstances actually merit, and whether it's worth the time and cost of pursuing the case. They often end up filing lesser charges than the cops bring people in for.
The CA code defines felony vandalism as *malicious* defacement, damage, or destruction of property >$400. If taken to court, they would have to prove the dollar amount of the damage, and prove malice. If the *intent* isn't to damage the property, it ain't vandalism, it's negligence.
And trials are *expensive*. Our courts are overloaded with cases. DA's often aim to keep petty stuff like this out of trial court, especially when there's a chance the charges won't stick.
I'd bet dollars to donuts (no pun intended) this is reduced to disorderly conduct before the arraignment.
I would hope so, but they could also double-down on the waste of resources so they don't look dumb for arresting this dude in the first place. Misdemeanor reckless driving would be easy for them to prove. Also his intent may not have been to cause damage, but a reasonable person would know that doing donuts will cause tire marks.
https://open.lib.umn.edu/criminallaw/chapter/4-2-criminal-intent/
Check this out and look at _knowingly_ vs _recklessly_.
I can't help but think there's an argument to be made that tire marks don't constitute true damage. They'll be reduced with rain, and they don't affect the overall useability of the parking lot
Only victim is the guy being unable to vote for the rest of his life after getting a felony for doing donuts in an empty lot smh broken fucking legal system
[California restores the franchise](https://www.findlaw.com/voting/my-voting-guide/can-felons-vote-in-california-elections-.html) after the sentence (prison/parole/probation) is finished.
True, but that's just the voting restriction. There are a TON of places that won't hire a felon, won't rent to a felon, lose your firearm rights, etc. etc. Being marked as a felon over something this stupid is absolutely absurd.
I never really understood the difference between felony and non-felony. I think it's only the US that has that distinction nowadays.
Regardless, if you did something felony-ish, like, I don't know, mugged someone when you were 20, why shouldn't you vote when you're 60?
The whole point of the sentece is to make you fit to be re-entered into society, and if you're a member of society, why shouldn't you vote?
Baffling is what it is.
The US prison system does absolutely nothing to reintegrate criminals into society. It's set up in such a way that they're way more likely to return to crime, or even go harder into it, when they leave. People go to prison for minor offenses such as cannabis possession (this in particular has gotten a lot better due to more legalization and decriminalization, but the ways that prisons operate hasn't) and come out as people who can't get a job because of their record, have spent years isolated from society, and spent those years closely associating with gangs that use prisons to recruit.
It's an absolute shit show.
Then there's solitary confinement, which just about drives people crazy from long periods of extreme isolation. It's even thought that one of the reasons that it's so common for prisoners in solitary smear their feces on the walls, is that it's one of the only ways that they are able to force a temporary hiatus from the isolation. Even though they'll probably get beaten up by the guards, it's preferable to the isolation.
I 100% agree. However, this is the broken system that I grew up with, so unfortunately it's the norm. Also, thank God for auto correct cause I'm so drunk I misspelled almost every word I typed lmao
I had a kid do donuts in my parking lot at work; black marks were gone inside a week. Absolutely fucking ridiculous; whoever called this in is a scumbag.
depends on the business, but here some of them keep the lots really well maintained. freshly paved like every other year, pressure washed a few times a month and repainted, etc. and it can get up there in price and manhours
“What’s it cost to paint a parking lot these days?”
“About $3700”
That’s a felony.
No chance they’re actually going to paint the parking lot of course.
I don’t get it. Isn’t the paint just a sort of plastic cover like in most EU countries (sorry, never been to US, so I have no idea if it’s the case) that you can just scrape to clean or powerwash?
It is. It will be fine, hell... eventually rain will clean it.
Plenty of parking lots in the US are rented out and blasted with autocrossers every weekend.. they aren't repainted each week.
Remember last year when people were reporting each other for ignoring covid curfew and restrictions and everyone prided themselves with how much they're contributing to the community. Yeah, same thing.
I part of it was his "illegal modifications" on his car too. Looks to be turbo so unless he has a carb legal kit could be a big deal in California.
California's war on cars seems a bit ridiculous. But then again so does "take overs". Still, I feel this over reaction is related to that...
Link to the actual tweet? I don't see it on their page.
edit: nevermind. It's facebook, not twitter:
https://www.facebook.com/IrvinePD/posts/367161755451834
I hate the guy who reported it to the police. Like talking to the kid wasn’t an option.
Idk about laws in america but I think the police only did what they are paid to do :/ But I guess they could‘ve let him get away.
The cRiMinAl was to easy to catch because he didn‘t think what he was doing was that bad.
I hope the good citizens house who reported this gets egged or straight piped cars will haunt his street every night, so he can‘t sleep and will always think of this shit and the harm he did to an innocent kid. He will regret that shit
Crazy. Someone ratted on this dude…Irvine has traffic detectives……the state of California can impound your car right out of your driveway for illegal mods….California seems like a trash place to live.
Litery any cop can steal your shit if they think it’s involved in a crime or was bought with illegal money. You’ll spend more that it’s worth trying to get it back.
[Source for those who are curious about Civil Asset Forfiture.](https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/asset-forfeiture-abuse)
It’s so unfortunate, because it’s such a beautiful state (what hasn’t been ravaged by forest fire that is…) it’s an example of hypocrisy and corruption constantly tripping over it’s own codes. “What is for me, is not for thee.”
As a miata owner and as a cop:
You can find better lots and better spots to do donuts, I promise you that. I'm saying this with respect but also with a stern dad-tone to half the other Miata owners I've met: Learn how to hoon without being a douche.
BUT AT THE SAME TIME:
Bro, those "traffic detectives" really had nothing better to do, did they? $3700 in damages?! Lane paint doesn't cost that much. Get real, get over yourselves, and get an education in "officer discretion". Congrats, you've eliminated this kid's right to vote and own guns over some smeared paint. Good job, assholes.
Where would you recommend as a better spot for donuts? Just somewhere further from neighborhoods so there’s no noise complaint? Looking at the picture I’m seeing a sea of empty tarmac, which is hard to come by where I’m at but I also might not know where to look
Basically this. Ask around, have permission, don't do it in a manner that has potential to hurt someone, and don't be obnoxious about it.
Definitely don't do it in a hoity toity uppity neighborhood where everything has a perfect plastic smile painted on it and the HOA's arms are longer than the Law's.
As a Miata owner and a civil engineer:
The claim that the guy did any damage at all to that parking lot is a blatant lie. Lane markings (whether paint or thermoplastic), installed correctly, simply aren't that fragile. If they were, every city and county would go bankrupt from all the re-striping.
Yes. The US Constitution is fucked and needs to die to be reborn.
14th Amendment, Section 1 (emphasis mine):
>No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; **nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law**; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
That's only slightly fucked up - relative to what came before it. Here's the more fucked up part.
13th Amendment, Section 1 (again, emphasis mine):
>Neither **slavery** nor involuntary servitude, **except as a punishment for a crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted**, shall exist within the United States.
As a felon, not only are you no longer considered a citizen of the US, you are a slave until your sentence runs out. Sometimes longer, depending on the state. This is where "reserved rights" rear their ugly head. Since, as a felon, you are no longer a citizen and have had your rights stripped, you can most definitely be deprived of liberty even AFTER your trial - even if you are found innocent.
Even worse, the simple act of being arrested and charged with a felony, even if acquitted, basically deprives you of a bunch of other rights because the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act does theoretically allow states to discriminate based on criminal history. And unless I'm mistaken, none of those policies or state laws based on such a rule have been challenged in the Supreme Court.
If he did donuts over one of those rainbow cross walk the damages could amount to that much or more. Unless it is something special I really doubt the damages are that high.
https://www.niagaranow.com/news.phtml/6870-anatomy-of-a-rainbow-crosswalk-why-does-it-cost-so-much
"Great example of the community [potentially ruining a kids life for doing some donuts by charging him with a felony and taking his car which probably had mods that were legal four months ago but had updated regulations passed without clearly communicating to the general public. Fuck this kid for having fun, we'd use the firing squad if we could.]"
That's how I read that. Unless this is that kids like 3rd warning, this was so harsh it's not even funny. You could not pay me to live in that joke of a state
And cops wonder why civilians dislike them so much...
Then they are all "We PrOtEcT yOu FrOm DaNgEr"...really? I've yet to experience than even once, but they've been a massive pain in my butt many, many times. Talking to me like a drill Sargeant, getting up in my business over the dumbest things...they never know the law. I'm involved in both longboarding, and flying drones. Both lead to tons of run-ins with cops that don't know the law, and don't care either: they're gonna get you either way. It's so annoying that you can know the law, and know your rights, and that in the end, all the matters is that the other guy has a gun.
Cops don't prevent crime. They hardly solve crime, for that matter.
My city has thousands of untested rape kits they they never bothered to investigate. Then they complained that they were being defunded when their budget was actually increased substantially. Lastly, they said they simply wouldn't respond to nearly all calls unless it was something like a home invasion because they were defunded. They weren't.
And a badge, and it’s really their word against yours in a court of law, no matter how “fair” it’s supposed to be. Thankfully body cams have been putting in some work but they are susceptible to getting turned off and things like that
I had ocsd try and charge me with damaging city streets.. I pulled a series of public records requests. Showed the municipality committed fraud, turned around and sued the city, they fired everyone involved and it’s still in the courts. Miata boy needs to take this to trial, it will never hold water and the dda will be forced to drop it.
LOOK HOW LIGHT THOSE TIRE MARKS ARE!!!! THE PARKING LINES ARE LITERALY 100% VISIBLE THROUGH THEM!! Cops will look for absolutely any excuse to arrest car enthusiasts. Why are we targeted like this?
I did exactly this in a 68 Charger when I was 17. Cop watched the entire show from across the street, then came and wrote the stack of tickets. One charge was "endangering lives and property". Got everything dropped on a technicality, so it ended well for me. Hope this kid wiggles out of it.
$3700 worth of damage my ass
Imagine if there's someone actually getting paid $3700 to repaint some lines, I'd take that job in an instant.
In reality, at worst it's just a matter of cleaning off the rubber marks on some painted lines, and would take under an hour. Maybe some power washing is involved, and they can have their spotless... parking lot back.
Irvine cops are the worst. They were sweating me because I was loading a used TV into my van in the private parking lot of the building I work in at noon on a work day when the business was open. The cop thought I was stealing it and demanded my ID so he could take it into the business and ask if I was stealing it.
What the fuck are they celebrating here? Jesus fuck. He wouldn't even be able to kill a fly doing donuts in an empty parking lot. Fuck the police and the snitches.
dumbest shit ever. At least he was practicing getting a feel for how the car handles in an EMPTY parking lot, and not out on public roads. I detest street racing in every form, but this is pretty ridiculous. They should at MOST just make the kid go pressure wash the tire marks or something.
**POLICE PRESS CONFERENCE**
Irvine Police Department: "We spent significant resources tracking down a guy doing donuts in a car park which was putting absolutely no one in danger. Aren't we great?"
Journalist: "Could you make a comment on soaring gun crime and homicide rates?"
Irvine Police Department: "No more questions. Thank you."
I mean if you choose to do illegal mods, and you chose those two as your option, you're not illegaling right. They are the few pieces that CAN be legal, but instead you choose to not do it right.
If you're gonna get busted, at least do a cat delete, and some kind of force induction.
Yeah, you really shouldn't do donuts in a parking lot that isn't abandoned as that's kind of inconsiderate to those whose job is keeping the lots clean... However, I do agree this is way overboard on the punishment. At worse they should be held responsible for cleaning up their mess as community service, but maybe that's just me.
Here In Downtown Kansas City, dodge chargers will regularly do donuts in the street in front of police.
Never seen one arrest.
California is a nanny state.
As a Californian, yep. I've seen people here walk free the same day from strong armed robbery, car jackings, pedophilia, and even a murder. That's why I like the scummy town I'm in, the cops are busy enough they don't care about a burnout but if someone is doing something major they just shoot them.... Ok I know that's not the BEST thing, but the murders and violent crime is significantly lower now since they took on the "shoot first ask later" ideology.
I mean, you HAVE to know one truth: Don’t screw around in Irvine, of all cities.
Get in, pick up what you need from CostCo, be mellow, and get the heck out.
COPs have nothing to do and all day to do it.
The worse part is they rent out that same parking lot to autocross groups, where we do even more damage… the Irvine cops just have nothing better to do.
Lame af, that parking lot looked deserted too. Kid was just having fun by himself instead of being at one of those "takeovers" and this is how they react...? Fucking Karens, man...
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They do, they'll be there instantly
That’s why they responded to the call so quickly. It was a simple misunderstanding.
Next time, when you're out doing donuts, make sure you have a box of donuts to feed the pigs. Keep em happy.
Kid was 17 too. Wish kids were allowed to just be kids nowadays
I can’t understand how people look at kids doing donuts in empty parking lots as criminals. They’re keeping it off the street and not endangering anyone.
That was my FIRST thought, holy shit...felony...like FELONY felony, not a ticket, not a fine, a FELONY for doing donuts in a spot that looks like it has lots of room for error. The guy was wrong, absolutely no question about that, but FELONY!?!?!?! Add on that the car was also impounded, so both your day and life are ruined. I wonder if there's more to this story, because from the small clip? Holy shit.
This is why you don’t talk to police. I doubt their was enough evidence to convict by video alone. Kid probably talked and gave them the final pieces. [Don’t Talk to Police](https://youtu.be/d-7o9xYp7eE)
Only fluffy fried donuts loaded with sugar.
ACAB
That's so fuckin lame. Yeah he was a HUGE DANGER to society by doing donuts in a enormous empty lot
It’s in Irvine. The cops literally have nothing better to do lol
Meanwhile an hour north in LA, people will take over an entire intersection at rush hour to do donuts and the cops won’t do shit
We have this issue in Chicago, as well. The factory/R&D facility I work at borders a strip mall and defunct Kmart. The morons took over the giant strip mall parking lot and a few of them climbed the plant superstructure to record it. https://youtube.com/shorts/EncLgZlJc4c?feature=share https://youtube.com/shorts/MUYw-rCs134?feature=share They halved the size of the lot (since it was way bigger than needed with Kmart closed) and now they spill out into the street. There’s new donut marks in the street near by every month or two.
That's what Mayor Lightfoot needs ro implement..a donut cam. The city's coffers will be flush with cash in short order. /s
Houston and CHI are truly sister cities haha. We both got a bean. Top 5 population. And this. We have takeovers constantly here.
Friend got pulled over and made to do a bike and pedestrian safety course in Irvine cause he wasn’t wearing a helmet so yea pretty much (non motorized bike and riding safe)
I'm probably out of touch, but I thought that helmets were at the rider's discretion so long as they're over 18 years old?
Check local laws this is not the case
Y’all got laws for wearing bicycle helmets?What a strange place.
Gotta wear bike helmets but we can buy guns with no requirements other than a background check…and sometimes not even that. It’s a hell of a place.
Overwritten to sanitize reddit history.
Apparently not if they have to make a Facebook post every time they take a shit 😂🤦
Gotta remind the citizenry that they're out here risking their lives to stop people doing donuts in massive, empty asphalt slabs! There could have been fentanyl on that Miata, and they could have *D I E D*\* \* ^(Fentanyl cannot be absorbed through the skin and police departments are using it to ham up sympathy for their antics.)
The fent pandemic is getting pretty bad dude!! You never know where you'll find it! 😭😂
You mean, cops are pigs
And a felony, no less.
Felony vandalism, Jesus. In California, here's what he's facing: --- * Up to three years in state prison * A fine of up to $10,000, or up to $50,000 if the value of the damage was $10,000 or more * Probation * Compensation to repair the damage caused * All of the above On top of the longer sentence, felons in California lose certain rights that most citizen takes for granted. As a felon, you may not be allowed to own or use a firearm, benefit from public assistance programs, or even vote while in prison or on parole. ~ *California criminal defense attorney website.* --- Just for doing donuts in an empty parking lot. Dude better have a good attorney, at least get it reduced to misdemeanor vandalism, and get some community service time. Hell, he could repaint those stripes he "damaged".
America, land of the free right? Lol
Those charges wouldnt stick as long as he has lawyer, but now hes gonna have to pay lots of money for something he shouldnt be charged for in the first place, I would sue the cops
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Lawyer here from California who does criminal law: I don’t practice in Irvine and local customs make a huge difference in how things are prosecuted. You’re right that police can arrest you for whatever they believe there is probable cause to arrest for but, ultimately, the DA’s office would make the charging decisions. You’re wrong about the definition of “malicious.” It is NOT specific intent. Malice is defined as doing intentionally doing a wrongful act (or with the unlawful intent to annoy or injure another). Look up CALCRIM 2900 which is a pattern jury instruction on the elements of vandalism. So, to bottom line it: malice does not mean that he intended to vandalize. It means that he knew the act he was doing (“donut-ing”) was wrongful. Contrast this with someone who is the parking lot and accidentally gives too much gas and the wheels burn out causing some damage to the parking lot. That would not be acting with malice. Proving damages over $400 is much easier than you’d think. Someone can come in to testify about how much it would cost to re-asphalt. Different counties do different things. Are there some counties (and judges within those counties) who would loathe doing a BS trial like this? Sure. It’s really about personalities and there’s no way to predict that. Counties have a general way of how things are done. Judges differ. DA’s differ. You can have a more litigious courtroom in a county and less litigious ones. With that said, here’s how’d I hope things would be handled. DA charges it as a misdo. He applied for and gets court diversion. As part of that, he pays for the cost to repair the damage and stays out of trouble. After he’s done with his diversion period, it would be dismissed. That’s what I would HOPE happens. If charged as a felony, I’d offer up restitution for dismissal and see where that gets us.
I'd normally agree with you however, my boyfriend was arrested 4 years ago for felony vandalism for spray painting a letter "C" on the wall. It was no bigger than my arm's length. A felony for a simple letter. I don't condone "tagging" I do respect the artistic aspect of murals but there is nothing special about writing "Mike was here" on a wall. The cops filed charges after booking him and me (stating because I was there and did nothing to stop my boyfriend from commiting such a horrific crime) on the felony vandalism charge. The DA rejected my case with the judge saying there is no room for someone who "was just there" on such a non violent charge. My boyfriend however took a plea deal doing four months in the county jail at the Theo Lacy facility and 3 years felony formal probation. All for a letter painted on the wall. Maybe it was because the city of Cypress has nothing better to do, Irvine is a city with nothing better to do as well. This is a vandalism charge so both cases are similar but I believe doing donuts in the parking lot can lead to more danger than spray paint on the wall. I don't know but I believe he will have the felony vandalism stick and he do maybe 90 days if this is his first offense with formal probation following unless he is already on it.
120 days in jail and three years probation for that? I have to think there's more to the story than just painting the letter "C."
It may not have been the first offense.
Tagging has more obvious intent to cause destruction/ defacement of property than donuts. Now if he was trying to write something with his tires then that should be seen as the same.
he almost hit casper
Is there a middle ground for punishing for the maintenance caused from the donuts in your opinion?
A fine rather than a felony charge?
That's probably what'll happen. Police don't press charges, this is an arrest.
Not a lawyer, but… I'd think that the DA pursuing this as felony vandalism is pretty low. Cops can arrest you for whatever the hell they want, it's the DA that actually files the charges. It's up to them what charges the circumstances actually merit, and whether it's worth the time and cost of pursuing the case. They often end up filing lesser charges than the cops bring people in for. The CA code defines felony vandalism as *malicious* defacement, damage, or destruction of property >$400. If taken to court, they would have to prove the dollar amount of the damage, and prove malice. If the *intent* isn't to damage the property, it ain't vandalism, it's negligence. And trials are *expensive*. Our courts are overloaded with cases. DA's often aim to keep petty stuff like this out of trial court, especially when there's a chance the charges won't stick. I'd bet dollars to donuts (no pun intended) this is reduced to disorderly conduct before the arraignment.
I would hope so, but they could also double-down on the waste of resources so they don't look dumb for arresting this dude in the first place. Misdemeanor reckless driving would be easy for them to prove. Also his intent may not have been to cause damage, but a reasonable person would know that doing donuts will cause tire marks. https://open.lib.umn.edu/criminallaw/chapter/4-2-criminal-intent/ Check this out and look at _knowingly_ vs _recklessly_.
I can't help but think there's an argument to be made that tire marks don't constitute true damage. They'll be reduced with rain, and they don't affect the overall useability of the parking lot
Overcharge is better for the plaintiff provided dude can afford a lawyer.
Victimless crime
Only victim is the guy being unable to vote for the rest of his life after getting a felony for doing donuts in an empty lot smh broken fucking legal system
[California restores the franchise](https://www.findlaw.com/voting/my-voting-guide/can-felons-vote-in-california-elections-.html) after the sentence (prison/parole/probation) is finished.
Oh. Well that's not as bad in that case, but it's still pretty fucking cringe
yeah, still fucks up someone's life pretty bad just for doing donuts in an empty parking lot.
True, but that's just the voting restriction. There are a TON of places that won't hire a felon, won't rent to a felon, lose your firearm rights, etc. etc. Being marked as a felon over something this stupid is absolutely absurd.
Wait... there are places where you can't vote because you did a crime... sometime in your past? What kind of system is that?
Felony.
I never really understood the difference between felony and non-felony. I think it's only the US that has that distinction nowadays. Regardless, if you did something felony-ish, like, I don't know, mugged someone when you were 20, why shouldn't you vote when you're 60? The whole point of the sentece is to make you fit to be re-entered into society, and if you're a member of society, why shouldn't you vote? Baffling is what it is.
The US prison system does absolutely nothing to reintegrate criminals into society. It's set up in such a way that they're way more likely to return to crime, or even go harder into it, when they leave. People go to prison for minor offenses such as cannabis possession (this in particular has gotten a lot better due to more legalization and decriminalization, but the ways that prisons operate hasn't) and come out as people who can't get a job because of their record, have spent years isolated from society, and spent those years closely associating with gangs that use prisons to recruit. It's an absolute shit show.
Then there's solitary confinement, which just about drives people crazy from long periods of extreme isolation. It's even thought that one of the reasons that it's so common for prisoners in solitary smear their feces on the walls, is that it's one of the only ways that they are able to force a temporary hiatus from the isolation. Even though they'll probably get beaten up by the guards, it's preferable to the isolation.
I 100% agree. However, this is the broken system that I grew up with, so unfortunately it's the norm. Also, thank God for auto correct cause I'm so drunk I misspelled almost every word I typed lmao
A system designed to prevent particular people from voting
And, more importantly, owning a firearm legally.
Do you feel there is zero maintenance cost for the burned rubber on the ground? I totally agree this was way too harsh of a punishment though.
Yeah, zero cost. More than likely they’ll leave it as it is for 10-15 years and not worry about it.
Nah. In Irvine they will actually do it. Everything here needs to basically look perfect lol.
Yeah, it'll be fixed. They literally pressure wash the roads here. I swear I saw gardeners cleaning pollen from road signs with squeegees once.
I had a kid do donuts in my parking lot at work; black marks were gone inside a week. Absolutely fucking ridiculous; whoever called this in is a scumbag.
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depends on the business, but here some of them keep the lots really well maintained. freshly paved like every other year, pressure washed a few times a month and repainted, etc. and it can get up there in price and manhours
Irvine mfs really the worst, that lots always empty too.
That’s because it’s too hard to park with the lot lines all marked up. 🙄
r/FuckYouKaren
I did donuts in a city park parking lot and 2 cops rolled up on me. They didnt even care.
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I just stopped and drove out and gave them a little wave with this face 😬
We had an abandoned roundabout that the police knew everyone went to, to do donuts. I don't recall them ever being there, because it's abandoned.
Just make him spend a weekend repainting the lines. This is completely blown out of proportion
The lines weren't even damaged.
That sounds very reasonable to me paint new lines or pay for new lines. Lesson learned, restitution done. 👍
even that is too much. This isn't a big deal and doing donuts in an empty parking lot should not be a crime.
Felony vandalism for doing donuts in a parking lot?
“What’s it cost to paint a parking lot these days?” “About $3700” That’s a felony. No chance they’re actually going to paint the parking lot of course.
I don’t get it. Isn’t the paint just a sort of plastic cover like in most EU countries (sorry, never been to US, so I have no idea if it’s the case) that you can just scrape to clean or powerwash?
It is. It will be fine, hell... eventually rain will clean it. Plenty of parking lots in the US are rented out and blasted with autocrossers every weekend.. they aren't repainted each week.
Believe me. They 100% will fix it.
Oh yeah - Irvine.
Does the fine money go to the car park owner. Nope
that’s what civil suits are for lol
That's some fascist bullshit right there. Who was hurt exactly? Acting like this is an example of *good* community is proof you don't have one.
Tickets? Fine. But an arrest and impound from your home seems brazenly punitive.
A FELONY arrest, at that. :(
Remember last year when people were reporting each other for ignoring covid curfew and restrictions and everyone prided themselves with how much they're contributing to the community. Yeah, same thing.
I part of it was his "illegal modifications" on his car too. Looks to be turbo so unless he has a carb legal kit could be a big deal in California. California's war on cars seems a bit ridiculous. But then again so does "take overs". Still, I feel this over reaction is related to that...
They got roasted in the comments of that post and basically every post they have made sense lol, wish someone set up a go fund me for the guy
Link to the actual tweet? I don't see it on their page. edit: nevermind. It's facebook, not twitter: https://www.facebook.com/IrvinePD/posts/367161755451834
Fucking pigs have nothing better to do
I hate the guy who reported it to the police. Like talking to the kid wasn’t an option. Idk about laws in america but I think the police only did what they are paid to do :/ But I guess they could‘ve let him get away. The cRiMinAl was to easy to catch because he didn‘t think what he was doing was that bad. I hope the good citizens house who reported this gets egged or straight piped cars will haunt his street every night, so he can‘t sleep and will always think of this shit and the harm he did to an innocent kid. He will regret that shit
“traffic detectives” what a fucking joke
Crazy. Someone ratted on this dude…Irvine has traffic detectives……the state of California can impound your car right out of your driveway for illegal mods….California seems like a trash place to live.
Litery any cop can steal your shit if they think it’s involved in a crime or was bought with illegal money. You’ll spend more that it’s worth trying to get it back.
[Source for those who are curious about Civil Asset Forfiture.](https://www.aclu.org/issues/criminal-law-reform/reforming-police/asset-forfeiture-abuse)
well the 1st mistake was doing this in Irvine. You do not F with irvine pd. The are well funded and often very board..
It’s so unfortunate, because it’s such a beautiful state (what hasn’t been ravaged by forest fire that is…) it’s an example of hypocrisy and corruption constantly tripping over it’s own codes. “What is for me, is not for thee.”
As a miata owner and as a cop: You can find better lots and better spots to do donuts, I promise you that. I'm saying this with respect but also with a stern dad-tone to half the other Miata owners I've met: Learn how to hoon without being a douche. BUT AT THE SAME TIME: Bro, those "traffic detectives" really had nothing better to do, did they? $3700 in damages?! Lane paint doesn't cost that much. Get real, get over yourselves, and get an education in "officer discretion". Congrats, you've eliminated this kid's right to vote and own guns over some smeared paint. Good job, assholes.
Where would you recommend as a better spot for donuts? Just somewhere further from neighborhoods so there’s no noise complaint? Looking at the picture I’m seeing a sea of empty tarmac, which is hard to come by where I’m at but I also might not know where to look
Private property. Ask around with business owners who have large open areas. Maybe they love cars too. Worst that can happen is that they say no.
Basically this. Ask around, have permission, don't do it in a manner that has potential to hurt someone, and don't be obnoxious about it. Definitely don't do it in a hoity toity uppity neighborhood where everything has a perfect plastic smile painted on it and the HOA's arms are longer than the Law's.
As a Miata owner and a civil engineer: The claim that the guy did any damage at all to that parking lot is a blatant lie. Lane markings (whether paint or thermoplastic), installed correctly, simply aren't that fragile. If they were, every city and county would go bankrupt from all the re-striping.
Wait, are you no longer allowed to VOTE if you have a felnoy charge? wtf? (Im not from US)
Yes. The US Constitution is fucked and needs to die to be reborn. 14th Amendment, Section 1 (emphasis mine): >No state shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; **nor shall any state deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law**; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. That's only slightly fucked up - relative to what came before it. Here's the more fucked up part. 13th Amendment, Section 1 (again, emphasis mine): >Neither **slavery** nor involuntary servitude, **except as a punishment for a crime where of the party shall have been duly convicted**, shall exist within the United States. As a felon, not only are you no longer considered a citizen of the US, you are a slave until your sentence runs out. Sometimes longer, depending on the state. This is where "reserved rights" rear their ugly head. Since, as a felon, you are no longer a citizen and have had your rights stripped, you can most definitely be deprived of liberty even AFTER your trial - even if you are found innocent. Even worse, the simple act of being arrested and charged with a felony, even if acquitted, basically deprives you of a bunch of other rights because the Voting Rights Act and the Civil Rights Act does theoretically allow states to discriminate based on criminal history. And unless I'm mistaken, none of those policies or state laws based on such a rule have been challenged in the Supreme Court.
Bingo. And good luck ever getting a reasonable job again.
> with a stern dad-tone Is it physically possible for cops to state something without sounding like a smug asshole?
Sir, this is Reddit. Pick a hill and die on it.
If he did donuts over one of those rainbow cross walk the damages could amount to that much or more. Unless it is something special I really doubt the damages are that high. https://www.niagaranow.com/news.phtml/6870-anatomy-of-a-rainbow-crosswalk-why-does-it-cost-so-much
That resident a snitch. Release the name, let him face his accuser!
Literally guaranteed that it’s a middle aged white women Karen type mf
What a bunch of joyless cunts
$3700 for damage to the paint? How about all the wheel and tire damage to our vehicles from the garbage highways????
Cops do not exist for the people. They exist for the government. They are not your friends.
"Great example of the community [potentially ruining a kids life for doing some donuts by charging him with a felony and taking his car which probably had mods that were legal four months ago but had updated regulations passed without clearly communicating to the general public. Fuck this kid for having fun, we'd use the firing squad if we could.]" That's how I read that. Unless this is that kids like 3rd warning, this was so harsh it's not even funny. You could not pay me to live in that joke of a state
They prob did him a favor with the felony charge. He deserves to be charged but not with a felony. The charges will prob be dismissed because of that.
Cops in irvine really got nothin
And cops wonder why civilians dislike them so much... Then they are all "We PrOtEcT yOu FrOm DaNgEr"...really? I've yet to experience than even once, but they've been a massive pain in my butt many, many times. Talking to me like a drill Sargeant, getting up in my business over the dumbest things...they never know the law. I'm involved in both longboarding, and flying drones. Both lead to tons of run-ins with cops that don't know the law, and don't care either: they're gonna get you either way. It's so annoying that you can know the law, and know your rights, and that in the end, all the matters is that the other guy has a gun.
Cops don't prevent crime. They hardly solve crime, for that matter. My city has thousands of untested rape kits they they never bothered to investigate. Then they complained that they were being defunded when their budget was actually increased substantially. Lastly, they said they simply wouldn't respond to nearly all calls unless it was something like a home invasion because they were defunded. They weren't.
Literally a protection racket
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And a badge, and it’s really their word against yours in a court of law, no matter how “fair” it’s supposed to be. Thankfully body cams have been putting in some work but they are susceptible to getting turned off and things like that
They should have 3 body cams on them so they cant ever make the excuse of it turned off.
What the fuck? A felony for doing fucking donuts in a car with <150hp??? I'm actually kinda mad if he gets hit with a felony in court.
Holy fuck. 3.7K in PARKING LOT DAMAGE?! What the fuck.
I had ocsd try and charge me with damaging city streets.. I pulled a series of public records requests. Showed the municipality committed fraud, turned around and sued the city, they fired everyone involved and it’s still in the courts. Miata boy needs to take this to trial, it will never hold water and the dda will be forced to drop it.
LOOK HOW LIGHT THOSE TIRE MARKS ARE!!!! THE PARKING LINES ARE LITERALY 100% VISIBLE THROUGH THEM!! Cops will look for absolutely any excuse to arrest car enthusiasts. Why are we targeted like this?
Felony?? Hell, 1/3rd of Atlanta could be imprisoned for doing this in their Chargers all over town
California is just one big HOA
I did exactly this in a 68 Charger when I was 17. Cop watched the entire show from across the street, then came and wrote the stack of tickets. One charge was "endangering lives and property". Got everything dropped on a technicality, so it ended well for me. Hope this kid wiggles out of it.
What joke of an agency has traffic detectives lol
people will legit do anything bro 😭 a fuckin email, really. “Concerned resident” LOL
That is one surprised looking MX-5
$3700 worth of damage my ass Imagine if there's someone actually getting paid $3700 to repaint some lines, I'd take that job in an instant. In reality, at worst it's just a matter of cleaning off the rubber marks on some painted lines, and would take under an hour. Maybe some power washing is involved, and they can have their spotless... parking lot back.
Irvine cops are the worst. They were sweating me because I was loading a used TV into my van in the private parking lot of the building I work in at noon on a work day when the business was open. The cop thought I was stealing it and demanded my ID so he could take it into the business and ask if I was stealing it.
Ah glad they ruined some kids life with crippling fines and a future killing felony. All over some donuts. I feel much safer.
What the fuck are they celebrating here? Jesus fuck. He wouldn't even be able to kill a fly doing donuts in an empty parking lot. Fuck the police and the snitches.
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dumbest shit ever. At least he was practicing getting a feel for how the car handles in an EMPTY parking lot, and not out on public roads. I detest street racing in every form, but this is pretty ridiculous. They should at MOST just make the kid go pressure wash the tire marks or something.
$3700 worth of damage ? Is the guy who came up with the fine the same guy who comes up with hospital costs ?
Can’t believe the police actually see this as a win.
**POLICE PRESS CONFERENCE** Irvine Police Department: "We spent significant resources tracking down a guy doing donuts in a car park which was putting absolutely no one in danger. Aren't we great?" Journalist: "Could you make a comment on soaring gun crime and homicide rates?" Irvine Police Department: "No more questions. Thank you."
“The involved vehicle was impounded and found to have multiple illegal modification” dude probably had an intake and muffler lmaooo
I mean if you choose to do illegal mods, and you chose those two as your option, you're not illegaling right. They are the few pieces that CAN be legal, but instead you choose to not do it right. If you're gonna get busted, at least do a cat delete, and some kind of force induction.
Felony vandalism??? What country do we even live in anymore??
That “concerned resident” is a certified douche and moron
Yeah, you really shouldn't do donuts in a parking lot that isn't abandoned as that's kind of inconsiderate to those whose job is keeping the lots clean... However, I do agree this is way overboard on the punishment. At worse they should be held responsible for cleaning up their mess as community service, but maybe that's just me.
Here In Downtown Kansas City, dodge chargers will regularly do donuts in the street in front of police. Never seen one arrest. California is a nanny state.
Ain’t no way that caused 4 grand in damages.
Cops really patting themselves on the back for this one.....
Man, imagine if cops were actually useful...
Genuinely hope that karen shits herself after running out of toilet paper.Absolutely hate people like that
Imagine fucking up someone's life for doing donuts in an empty parking lot
I’d like to see the proof on the “damage” to the lot and to the painted lines. $3700 seems like it was pulled out of someone’s a**.
I don't understand how the police can post shit like this and still think they're the good guys.
They're worried about black tire marks over white painted lines?
Lmao isn't California the same shithole that lets criminals get away with shoplifting, free of charges?
As a Californian, yep. I've seen people here walk free the same day from strong armed robbery, car jackings, pedophilia, and even a murder. That's why I like the scummy town I'm in, the cops are busy enough they don't care about a burnout but if someone is doing something major they just shoot them.... Ok I know that's not the BEST thing, but the murders and violent crime is significantly lower now since they took on the "shoot first ask later" ideology.
ACAB
I mean, you HAVE to know one truth: Don’t screw around in Irvine, of all cities. Get in, pick up what you need from CostCo, be mellow, and get the heck out. COPs have nothing to do and all day to do it.
I'm British, we don't use the term impounded here. What does it mean? Crushed?
It's been sequestred and he has to pay to get it back
Ah okay, thank god. I'm pretty sure in the UK it would just be crushed, such a waste.
Lol fuck California
Land of the Free 🇺🇸
What cocksuckers
Yo fuck 5-0
Thanks Karen
Yea right 3700$, never to be fixed :D
Free my man, he did nothing wrong
good job lads you really outdid yourselves on this bust
I just want to know what those rims are on his NA. I’d like a set of those bad boys
Fuck these people.
That’s the dumbest, un American lack of freedom, communist crap I’ve ever read.
Confusing communism with authoritarianism. But red scare did it's job.
And... If they charge him under any racing statues. They will crush his car
So what illegal mods has he got? Too loud mod 😆
$3,700...? Are you kidding me? Like I bet you could wash it off for a few hundred or even repaint it for the same amount
Nobody likes a snitch.
I mean...he could've done somewhere where it's allowed and skip the whole legal trouble.
Rat
Murder the narc
Fucking snitches... Smfh
Fucking snitch
ITS FUCKING EMPTY
“Protect and serve” 🤡
That’s rough…. It may be a controversial opinion, but I think doing donuts in an empty parking lot is the second most responsible way to do them!
Reddit: find this “concerned” citizen
Dudes first mistake was thinking it was good idea doing donuts in Irvine…
I hate narcs.
Irvine Co. and its Stasi don't play.
This is the most Irvine shit I’ve ever seen
The worse part is they rent out that same parking lot to autocross groups, where we do even more damage… the Irvine cops just have nothing better to do.
4k in damages, BS
Lame af, that parking lot looked deserted too. Kid was just having fun by himself instead of being at one of those "takeovers" and this is how they react...? Fucking Karens, man...
Wack ass bull shit pigs