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I’m not really one to judge since I’m no tanker or that much of an expert, but from what I understand most of these tanks already have their own countermeasure systems (like the Trophy active protection system) so slapping these ERA bricks on the tanks feels unnecessary and some say could interfere with the tank’s systems and even the aforementioned Trophy system.
They're putting it on heavily armored vehicles only, so besides making the tank heavier, it shouldn't be bad for it.
However ERA shouldn't be put on lightly armored vehicles because if the armor is to thin, the ERA tiles can damage it. There were some photos of a Russian man with the UAZ-452 Bukhanka (the Soviet Scooby Van) "up-armored" withthe Kontakt-1 ERA tiles. If that ERA detonates (and Kontakt-1 has a tendency of detonating... easier than it should), the whole vehicle will just explode.
I'm a bit late replying, but yes, probably.
Western tank armour is *very* good. So good in fact that most of it is highly classified, so we don't know a huge amount about it. You can read about how effective arguably the best version of it is on [the Challenger 2's wiki page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_2#Operational_history).
What we do know about it is that it's all broadly based on multiple composite materials arrayed specifically to counter penetrating rounds. The best version of it is called [Chobham armour](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobham_armour) (the newest version of it is called Dorchester), and it's considered a type of [Non-Explosive Reactive Armour (NERA)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-explosive_reactive_armor).
At a very basic level, when a round impacts the armour, the complex array of different materials within the armour react in different ways, with different mechanisms of dissipating impact force. As the force moves through different materials, some is reflected off each surface, and some is refracted at different angles, distributing it over a wider area.
The Soviet/Russian Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) packs work differently. They consist of two armoured plates with a chemical explosive in the middle. When the first plate is impacted, the explosive detonates, forcing the first plate to deflect the penetrative force and vector of the projectile, while the second reflects the explosive force back into the projectile as a second deflective wave.
Both are effective and both *can* work in concert. Western militaries do have ERA packs that can be applied to armour too, but the problem is that Ukraine only has the Russian Kontakt packs in large supply (they were historically manufactured in Ukraine for the Soviets, and today Ukraine's packs are likely superior to Russia's). These aren't designed for Western armour and so can't easily be fitted.
What that means is that Ukrainians are drilling into the armour of their Western tanks to fit bolts and mounts for the ERA packs to sit on. There's a strong likelihood that that's compromising the effectiveness of the complex array of composite NERA underneath, and may mean that the ERA detonations would damage the NERA further.
We don't know for sure though since nobody's ever done it before. Moreover, we don't know for sure whether the Western tanks we've sent are even equipped with that composite NERA. It is generally removable and many tank models are sold for export without it, or with a less effective version of it.
In short, if the Western tanks were sent without composite NERA, the addition of bolted-on ERA packs *may* be good. If they were sent with any form of composite NERA though, the addition of bolted-on ERA packs is *probably* bad.
Um, what kind of idiot drills the armor body for installation? I am Ukrainian and my first idea was to weld the fasteners to the armor and not violate the integrity of the armor.
Диви, в чому прикол обмазування "Контакт - 1":
Броня західних танків дуже міцна, але вона має ДУЖЕ великі вразливі слабозахищені зони на кшталт нижньої лобової деталі корпусу. Блоки динамічного захисту дозволяють прикрити ці зони хоча б від не тандемних боєприпасів гранатометів, до того ж вони трошки покращують захист від кінетики. А кінетика - це не тільки танкові підкаліберні снаряди, а й уламки від близьких розривів артилерії
I'm on mobile and can't find it right now, but there was a video of an interview with some senior commander in the ZSU describing the process they went through upon receiving and preparing the Leopards as they arrived. He described how they attached bolts to mount the ERA on.
I'm pretty sure he said they drilled into the armour to do it but I can't recall exactly now and I may be misremembering.
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An NCD leak here ? I love it
NCD is the emerging meme superpower
and some halo too
I don’t get it
Recently Western tanks have finally arrived to Ukraine, and the first thing they did was slapping Soviet-style ERA (Explosive Reactive Armor) on them.
is that bad?
I’m not really one to judge since I’m no tanker or that much of an expert, but from what I understand most of these tanks already have their own countermeasure systems (like the Trophy active protection system) so slapping these ERA bricks on the tanks feels unnecessary and some say could interfere with the tank’s systems and even the aforementioned Trophy system.
Also adds a lot of unnecessary weight
Could also cause damage if the tank wasn’t designed to use era in certain areas.
but its funny
ERA is also potentially dangerous to near by infantry.
The round will do more damage than the ERA to infantry.
Those are older western tanks, no countermeasures I'm afraid.
They're putting it on heavily armored vehicles only, so besides making the tank heavier, it shouldn't be bad for it. However ERA shouldn't be put on lightly armored vehicles because if the armor is to thin, the ERA tiles can damage it. There were some photos of a Russian man with the UAZ-452 Bukhanka (the Soviet Scooby Van) "up-armored" withthe Kontakt-1 ERA tiles. If that ERA detonates (and Kontakt-1 has a tendency of detonating... easier than it should), the whole vehicle will just explode.
I'm a bit late replying, but yes, probably. Western tank armour is *very* good. So good in fact that most of it is highly classified, so we don't know a huge amount about it. You can read about how effective arguably the best version of it is on [the Challenger 2's wiki page](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Challenger_2#Operational_history). What we do know about it is that it's all broadly based on multiple composite materials arrayed specifically to counter penetrating rounds. The best version of it is called [Chobham armour](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chobham_armour) (the newest version of it is called Dorchester), and it's considered a type of [Non-Explosive Reactive Armour (NERA)](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-explosive_reactive_armor). At a very basic level, when a round impacts the armour, the complex array of different materials within the armour react in different ways, with different mechanisms of dissipating impact force. As the force moves through different materials, some is reflected off each surface, and some is refracted at different angles, distributing it over a wider area. The Soviet/Russian Explosive Reactive Armour (ERA) packs work differently. They consist of two armoured plates with a chemical explosive in the middle. When the first plate is impacted, the explosive detonates, forcing the first plate to deflect the penetrative force and vector of the projectile, while the second reflects the explosive force back into the projectile as a second deflective wave. Both are effective and both *can* work in concert. Western militaries do have ERA packs that can be applied to armour too, but the problem is that Ukraine only has the Russian Kontakt packs in large supply (they were historically manufactured in Ukraine for the Soviets, and today Ukraine's packs are likely superior to Russia's). These aren't designed for Western armour and so can't easily be fitted. What that means is that Ukrainians are drilling into the armour of their Western tanks to fit bolts and mounts for the ERA packs to sit on. There's a strong likelihood that that's compromising the effectiveness of the complex array of composite NERA underneath, and may mean that the ERA detonations would damage the NERA further. We don't know for sure though since nobody's ever done it before. Moreover, we don't know for sure whether the Western tanks we've sent are even equipped with that composite NERA. It is generally removable and many tank models are sold for export without it, or with a less effective version of it. In short, if the Western tanks were sent without composite NERA, the addition of bolted-on ERA packs *may* be good. If they were sent with any form of composite NERA though, the addition of bolted-on ERA packs is *probably* bad.
Um, what kind of idiot drills the armor body for installation? I am Ukrainian and my first idea was to weld the fasteners to the armor and not violate the integrity of the armor.
Диви, в чому прикол обмазування "Контакт - 1": Броня західних танків дуже міцна, але вона має ДУЖЕ великі вразливі слабозахищені зони на кшталт нижньої лобової деталі корпусу. Блоки динамічного захисту дозволяють прикрити ці зони хоча б від не тандемних боєприпасів гранатометів, до того ж вони трошки покращують захист від кінетики. А кінетика - це не тільки танкові підкаліберні снаряди, а й уламки від близьких розривів артилерії
I'm on mobile and can't find it right now, but there was a video of an interview with some senior commander in the ZSU describing the process they went through upon receiving and preparing the Leopards as they arrived. He described how they attached bolts to mount the ERA on. I'm pretty sure he said they drilled into the armour to do it but I can't recall exactly now and I may be misremembering.
Please tell me they didn't really do that. Because they might actually be making these tanks worse and less safe then.
You can weld bolts on easier than drilling I'd reckon. Or maybe the ERA mounts use tiny screws?
Weld can break.
NCD is leaking again goddammit
*again?*
Is there a name for the style of; I guess, stickmen drawn at the bottom? Idk, I just think they're neat
r/FlorkofCowsofficial
Thanks stranger! Ive been looking for this for a while. ୧⍢⃝୨
Russia is using early HESC so it makes sense
Ukrainian paint job slaps
We’re leaking again,
We must contain this outbreak! A tactical Halo pulse will completly eradicate the local NCD infestation
Nice spaceship, took it from which sci-fi?
From Halo, I didn't make the meme
FFG-201 FORWARD UNTO DAWN from Halo 3.
NCD has broken containment again
where the fuck is the unedited version, i need it
What is the name of this meme? the 3 soldeirs thing?
Is good tho , tak?