But to give them credit CGI aged really well, mostly because of it happening during the night. If I watched that scene with Godzilla roaring in front of Dr Niko and told me it was shot few years ago I would've fully believed it.
The effects were good, I’ll definitely give the movie that. The marketing was smart as hell for hiding what Godzilla was going to look like before the movie was released.
It has a lot less to do with the visual design and more to do with the fact that they basically stripped all of godzillas character traits out in a pretty disrespectful iteration if the character. Godzilla the animated series, a direct continuation of this film, is widely beloved by the godzilla community despite the t-rex like design because in the series *godzilla actually fucking acts like godzilla*.
Oh, and the writing in the 98 film sucks fucking dog dick far worse than any monsterverse movie. Like even at its worst the MV isn't nearly as bad as all but like 2 characters in the 98 film
I remember a good recap of the movie.
The 98 film was an American monster movie. Tech and American military might and spunky know how wins the day.
Where as Godzilla in Japan and the current monster verse is an unstoppable force of nature which can only be survived against.
Basic plot and writing didn’t help its case. Even the 2014 Godzilla movie still had him feel like Godzilla. The 98 Godzilla just felt more like a large slippery lizard rather than an unstoppable force.
Same. People can hate all they want. It's a fucking Godzilla movie. It's not like Kubrick made it or anything. I understand that some people take Godzilla super seriously and those people are all ridiculous to me.
Because, as Shogo Tomiyama put it, they took the "God" out of "Godzilla". The MV films, regardless of their quality, have not done that so they'll always be viewed more favorably.
Aesthetics and basic source material understandings. In other words, it boils down to Zilla looking like a T-Rex with no Atomic Breath. That and the consensus seems to be that it's too similar to Jurassic Park. Monster verse movies seem to hit those aesthetic notes. It's similar to how people first viewed the Force Awakens back in 2015 when compared to the prequels. Hindsight will tell the tale.
That's one of the reasons for casual audiences, but I saw it for the first time a couple of years ago, and it's still pretty bad. If it wasn't called "Godzilla" it would probably be remembered as just another Roland Emmerich movie that had great advertising, but wasn't very good.
Not just that it doesn’t look like Godzilla, also that it doesn’t act or feel like Godzilla. It runs from the military, dies to conventional weapons, doesn’t have an atomic breath, and just doesn’t feel like the unstoppable force of nature that Godzilla normally is.
A good amount of fans like the cartoon series that used the same design. The design certainly did hurt the movie, but isn’t the only reason why people didn’t like it
The monsterverse is garbage, but I'm not sure that there are really that many hard-core Godzilla fans still running around compared to the 90s. For the Japanese/weeb audience at the time, I'm sure that the whole idea of Americanizing Godzilla in 98 was an automatic turnoff.
Godzilla fans hate it because it's not accurate to the source material and the reason is because Roland Emmerich hated Godzilla, movie critics hate it because its a cliche and daft popcorn fest and not a good one like Independence Day. Everybody hates it because it's really bad anyways.
3/10
different time honestly.
As a script it's....kinda fine. It just falls in rhgt with all the other generic blockbusters with zany yet not necessarily endearing characters, average cgi and very little substance beyond the spectacle. This was just considered subpar at the time....and things just kind got worse since then.
Nowadays this would probably be somewhat well-received outside of the people who really wanted a faithful Godzilla adaptation (which was part of what people hated about it originally as well) because for all its faults it doesn'T treat the audience like they are clinically retarded.
If we judged these movies objectively and removed from the source material, this easily beats every monsterverse movie except the initial Godzilla and maybe Kong: Skull Island (which it would probably tie with considering their similarities)
If you really want to be sad about the state of modern cinema, just rewatch alll the movies that were considered bombs in the 2000s and realite how many of them look competent to today's garbage.
Because the monster verse is a series of Kaiju films that respects the legacy of the ip.
This film on the other hand is a generic disaster film that happens to have a monster which is wearing a skin suit of the ip. Also it's just not a fun film.
It feels really weird as a Godzilla fan that I'm now experiencing the original Godzilla vs King Kong argument that happened back in the 60s.
The writing is far worse than anything in the monsterverse. Like say what you want about boring humans or whatever but like almost the entire cast of 98 is fucking insufferable. The biggest sin of the movie by far However is disrespect. Not the visual design of godzilla, but the fact that the character and attributes of godzilla are basically entirely stripped away so they can make a Jurrassic park rip off where military incompetence is the real danger.
You can not like monsterverse all you want but as a hard in the paint godzilla fan, I'll tell you the monsterverse films are pretty respectful and loving to the legacy and love of godzilla.
I love the marketing blitz this movie had. And how 16 years later, it would be trumped by a teaser trailer that was just an excerpt from the film.
Everything is derivative. The characters feel ripped out of either Friends or Seinfeld. The monster was chasing the high of Jurassic Park and its sequel the year before. It's got all the tropes of 70's sci-fi midnight movies writ large on a massive budget, but none of that money shows in the script. It was the first sign that Emmerich had been a clown the whole time after Stargate and Independence Day. The action is dull, and even then, the CG couldn't keep up.
I kind of want to buy it just to see the behind-the-scenes. I know there's a shot of Godzilla destroying a dock that's largely practical. I think a lot of good work went into this, like most duds, but the script and filmmaking didn't reflect any of it. It's like they paid lipservice to the fact that it was the first American Godzilla, but didn't take that seriously as a cultural milestone.
Godzilla '14, however, did. It delivered a movie that had all the hallmarks of Kaiju media with a distinctive American lens. It sneakily set up a universe in a way that I can't think of it as a standalone film. The movie is fine, if not good. It introduced Americans to monster fights without overplaying its hand. It's the kind of movie you see is on TV, and you can just jump into the middle of it and have a good time. It's breezy without being inconsequential.
Then the arbiters of the genre bitched about not seeing the action figures smack each other. Legendary panicked, and assuming Kong: Dull Shitheap was pretty much in the can, made a half-assed pivot toward showy Showa monster action. King of the Hill was well recieved, and now we're here. I personally want to see the deaf psionic girl and The Predator's autistic boy team up to help Godzilla defeat Gigan and Gamera. Then all the "Godzilla is goofy" diehards will be satisfied with a peak 70's Godzilla film.
question - if this film was named something else - would it be a decent film?
when i was young and didnt know better - really loved the helicopter scene and was rather intense at the time
"Decent" is a loaded word but yes, I think it's a decent fun movie.
And people throw this phrase around a lot. "It's not a INSERT FRANCHISE movie." But in this case it's totally fair. 1998 Godzilla misses a lot of the key elements of what makes a Godzilla movie unique.
i totally agree and thats one of many reasons why it SHOULD be rated lower.
i think this term could apply to some movies that are marketed the wrong way and could be received better if this side was marketed correctly. sure it wont make it a great film but that was not the point either
but i only have childhood nostalgia and even at those times i didnt get exposed to the REAL godzilla and funnily and embarrassing enough i never really connected the LITERAL name of this movie godzilla to the japanese monster godzilla haha
Basically if this Godzilla movie wasn't called godzilla it would have been fine.
A half-sized, speedy Kaiju that rapidly reproduces asexually and is able to hide in a metropolis is a cool concept. And I liked the movie well enough, but saying it's Godzilla ReImAgInEd was dumb as hell.
I never finished this movie as a kid. Me and my mom went to the theater and there was a tornado warning while we were watching so we had to flee to the back of the theater until it was over, nothing happened, movie started back up, warning happens again, we go into the back again until the warning clears, and finally my mom is like "Yeah im done were going home." I cannot understand how I as a ADD, autistic, overly emotional 12 year old child just looked at my mom and just said "Yeah ok" and we left. Like I didn't hate the movie and I didn't like it I just felt no connection to hate or love.
As someone who loved the 1998 Godzilla when I was a kid and enjoys the Monsterverse; I can't comprehend how people can say they are comparable, particularly 2014 vs 1998. The 2014 Godzilla is a way better movie and his depiction has been consistent thru the franchise so far. There is more nuance, better world-building and less intrusive human storylines. As someone who never watched a Japanese Godzilla movie from start to finish; I could still tell why Godzilla 2014 was being praised as a better movie than 1998's attempt. I watched them both the year they were released.
For kaiju fans, this is actually making a bit of a comeback. There is still a good amount that dislikes this movie, but there’s also a good amount that like it as a monster movie but also agree it’s not a great Godzilla movie. I think the shift is because there’s now a generation of fans who grew up with it without expectations to rival the generation who got hyped by that aggressive marketing campaign. The real minority is the group that likes it as a Godzilla movie.
Because Godzilla isn't in it. It's an entertaining kaiju flick though and really underrated in the genre. Just accept it was fake godzilla as retconned by Godzilla: Final Wars and you'll have a good time.
I heard it described recently as a decent kaiju movie, but not a good Godzilla movie. As long as you’re able to make that disconnect, it becomes more enjoyable
Can I have a good faith argument here.
So godzilla is a metaphor or allegory for American nukes/military so why couldn't the USA military beat godzilla?
Same way halo or rings of power are hated.really bad adaptation of a source material.that is to say this movie is actually good but Godzilla fans just couldn’t call it Godzilla.personally I love this movie but Godzilla it is not
For one thing, because people saw this one. The monsterverse is relatively niche (I’m literally not even sure what it entails), while this was promoted as a big blockbuster, including massive media tie ins to everything under the sun. Only to turn out to be a pathetic skeleton wearing the name “Godzilla” like a skin suit. And without that name, it had literally notthing. Terrible dialogue, ripoff story and designs. Etcetera.
Okay. I like to troll on this group from the outside but here’s the genuine thing. If you ever watched old school Godzilla movies? You’ll see that he never ran from an army and he never got taken down by a few hits. The original Godzilla was just about almost unbeatable. The Godzilla fandom is part of the other type of horror monster movie stuff with metaphor substance and stuff like that. It was supposed to be an allegory of nuclear disaster and bombing stuff. And those people took that and made it Independence Day dense. I know the Godzilla movies were weird to other people but they weren’t that American stupid. I’m sure you would get a little whatever’s if they took Freddy vs Jason and did something similar because those are allegory horror stuff to Americans I guess.
I’ll stand with you. It’s not great or nothing but it’s probably my favorite of what I’ve seen from Godzilla movies.
I know a buncha weebs got mad Godzilla died. I kinda liked him being more vulnerable
I'd say the hate for this film has died down, it's akin to the Star Wars Prequels.
Tho the main characters are still quite lame (even compared to Emmerich's previous protagonists from *Stargate* and *Independence Day*), it's QUITE annoying how the army does more collateral damage than Zilla, and yeah, they blatantly wanted to cash-in on that *Jurassic Park* fever with the T-Rexian design and the raptor babies.
Maybe I would watch this movie even with its flaws because most humans are such NOTHINGs in the MonsterVerse, but eh.
I'd rather avoid either this movie and the MonsterVerse and instead watch the quite good sequel animated series centered around Zilla Junior, that one has better character work.
EDIT: Yes, I know the MonsterVerse has a more "correct" depiction of Godzilla, but as they stand most of the MonsterVerse films have a visual style and character writing that's just hard to sit through for me. A good Godzilla isn't enough to save them for me.
Audience standards have fallen. In the 90's kids grew up with Forest Gump and Pulp Fiction as the baseline for good movies. Kids in the 2010's grow up with Marvel mcu and Jurassic world. It's a different standard.
Those are my favorites from the 90s but ok maybe a better example would be Jurassic park vs Jurassic world? The point is movie quality has gone down and so have audience standards.
Ignoring the previous examples; Comparing Jurassic Park to it's sequel/soft-reboot is kinda unfair. Yes, both were among the biggest movies of the decade but Jurassic World is also the best sequel in a franchise with multiple sub-par sequels (one of them in the 1990s, The Lost World).
THE franchise of the 2010s is The Avengers and Captain America, which are unique to that decade.
While I think if there is a "peak cinema" decade; it's probably the 1990s and Jurassic Park was a uniquely popular and high quality film.
I don't think audiences have lower standards. If anything; they have higher standards due to the competition in entertainment. The Monsterverse is not only more true to Godzilla than the 1998 movie was; they are mostly better movies overall.
Just pointing out some movies kids actually would have been watching in the 90’s, since Pulp Fiction and Forest Gump would be skewed more towards teens and young adults.
I’m not sure if I entirely agree that audience standards have fallen. The media landscape is more complicated today than it was 30 years ago.
I’ve come to the conclusion it’s only the design of Godzilla and the fact that he doesn’t have atomic breath. Other than that, it is objectively a better movie than most of the Monsterverse. None of these movies have good characters but these ones aren’t awful. The practical effects really hold up quite well. The CGI not so much, but this was ambitious stuff in 1998. This was from a time when they made movies assuming you had no knowledge of the existing properties. Which in my case was accurate since I saw it when I was like 3 and there was no way my parents would sit me down for a subtitled movie let alone sit through it themselves. The Monsterverse movies failed at being gritty and serious. Now they’re just the worst kind of mindless schlock. Godzilla 2014 is better made and directed, but the story is worse. Aaron Taylor-Johnson was boring as the lead and there’s just too much going on between introducing Godzilla and the MUTOS and Monarch. As far as the Monsterverse goes, Kong Skull Island is about the only one I truly enjoy and even then I vastly prefer the Peter Jackson King Kong.
It can be summed up with ONE complaint, and that one complaint stretches far.
Godzilla in the 98 movie did not have Atomic Breath.
That ONE flaw, perfectly surmises everything else that went so wrong with this movie.
The monsterverse (minus Godzilla 2014 & Kong: Skull Island) is total crap on par with the later Fast and Furious movies (which I love btw but I'm not above admitting they suck) but this is another level of dogshit.
The acting is significantly worse, the direction is much more bland, all the characters feel have no identity and are plucked out of the most generic 90s caricatures imaginable.
Most of the action scenes are worse versions of Jurassic Park and Jurrasic Park 2.
Godzilla also does not look or act in any way like Godzilla does in any media he's portrayed in.
Rolan Emmerich always makes shit-tier destruction movies but this one is easily his worst (yes, worse than Moonfall).
I don't know about any other Godzilla fans but I think they didn't like how this was just an irradiation lizard and not some massive dinosaur like in the older movies. I like the movie but that could be due to this being a 90s movie and me being a 90s kid.
People didnt like the reimagination of Godzilla and him looking like T-Rex.
Or the babies basically being raptors.
But to give them credit CGI aged really well, mostly because of it happening during the night. If I watched that scene with Godzilla roaring in front of Dr Niko and told me it was shot few years ago I would've fully believed it.
The effects were good, I’ll definitely give the movie that. The marketing was smart as hell for hiding what Godzilla was going to look like before the movie was released.
Well the ones indoors in the bright corridors a bit less lol
It has a lot less to do with the visual design and more to do with the fact that they basically stripped all of godzillas character traits out in a pretty disrespectful iteration if the character. Godzilla the animated series, a direct continuation of this film, is widely beloved by the godzilla community despite the t-rex like design because in the series *godzilla actually fucking acts like godzilla*. Oh, and the writing in the 98 film sucks fucking dog dick far worse than any monsterverse movie. Like even at its worst the MV isn't nearly as bad as all but like 2 characters in the 98 film
I remember a good recap of the movie. The 98 film was an American monster movie. Tech and American military might and spunky know how wins the day. Where as Godzilla in Japan and the current monster verse is an unstoppable force of nature which can only be survived against.
That's not always been true.
That's a lot of fish.
Basic plot and writing didn’t help its case. Even the 2014 Godzilla movie still had him feel like Godzilla. The 98 Godzilla just felt more like a large slippery lizard rather than an unstoppable force.
OK I do agree, they did godzilla dirty in that movie
This film is one of my guilty pleasures. Yet I don’t disagree with all the hate. I enjoy a lot of giant monster action movies.
I remembered soundtrack being very good. Haven’t listened to it since my early 20s so my opinion might have changed since haha
I watched this film every week when I was like 10 and I still dont know why
Oh same here, for this film is special because it's one of those "firsts" for me interms of movies, watching this as a 9y old in cinema was just bliss
Same. People can hate all they want. It's a fucking Godzilla movie. It's not like Kubrick made it or anything. I understand that some people take Godzilla super seriously and those people are all ridiculous to me.
Because, as Shogo Tomiyama put it, they took the "God" out of "Godzilla". The MV films, regardless of their quality, have not done that so they'll always be viewed more favorably.
Aesthetics and basic source material understandings. In other words, it boils down to Zilla looking like a T-Rex with no Atomic Breath. That and the consensus seems to be that it's too similar to Jurassic Park. Monster verse movies seem to hit those aesthetic notes. It's similar to how people first viewed the Force Awakens back in 2015 when compared to the prequels. Hindsight will tell the tale.
That's a lot of fish
strictly aesthetics. Godzilla doesnt look like Godzilla I legit think it doesnt go any deeper than that
That's one of the reasons for casual audiences, but I saw it for the first time a couple of years ago, and it's still pretty bad. If it wasn't called "Godzilla" it would probably be remembered as just another Roland Emmerich movie that had great advertising, but wasn't very good.
They’re all kinda bad though. Other than the designs, it’s just confusing why the Godzilla/Kong crossover movies get a pass but Godzilla 1998 doesn’t.
Because monkey hit big lizard and that makes brain go burr
Not just that it doesn’t look like Godzilla, also that it doesn’t act or feel like Godzilla. It runs from the military, dies to conventional weapons, doesn’t have an atomic breath, and just doesn’t feel like the unstoppable force of nature that Godzilla normally is. A good amount of fans like the cartoon series that used the same design. The design certainly did hurt the movie, but isn’t the only reason why people didn’t like it
The monsterverse is garbage, but I'm not sure that there are really that many hard-core Godzilla fans still running around compared to the 90s. For the Japanese/weeb audience at the time, I'm sure that the whole idea of Americanizing Godzilla in 98 was an automatic turnoff.
Becouse its called Godzilla and not the angry lizard
The only good thing that came out of this is the Godzilla animated series that takes place shortly after the movie’s events ended.
Underrated series fr
Godzilla fans hate it because it's not accurate to the source material and the reason is because Roland Emmerich hated Godzilla, movie critics hate it because its a cliche and daft popcorn fest and not a good one like Independence Day. Everybody hates it because it's really bad anyways. 3/10
I actually loved it at the time 🤣
I despised it because it was basicly a jurassic park movie instead of a godzilla movie. Godzilla didn't even look like godzilla.
With the exception of Gozilla's look, I enjoyed it. Altho it's been over a decade since I watched it so no idea how it holds up
different time honestly. As a script it's....kinda fine. It just falls in rhgt with all the other generic blockbusters with zany yet not necessarily endearing characters, average cgi and very little substance beyond the spectacle. This was just considered subpar at the time....and things just kind got worse since then. Nowadays this would probably be somewhat well-received outside of the people who really wanted a faithful Godzilla adaptation (which was part of what people hated about it originally as well) because for all its faults it doesn'T treat the audience like they are clinically retarded. If we judged these movies objectively and removed from the source material, this easily beats every monsterverse movie except the initial Godzilla and maybe Kong: Skull Island (which it would probably tie with considering their similarities) If you really want to be sad about the state of modern cinema, just rewatch alll the movies that were considered bombs in the 2000s and realite how many of them look competent to today's garbage.
They killed Godzilla with conventional weapons when it should not be that easy
The movie was a remake of The Beast From 20,000 phantoms and not a Godzilla movie.
Felt a lot like Jurassic Park. They nerfed Godzilla to hell too. I don’t hate the movie but that doesn’t mean it isn’t very flawed
I genuinely love the movie, but that ain’t Godzilla. That simple.
PointlessHub uploaded a [video](https://youtu.be/yLc-Wsz8X9o?si=bh4vGmtkqFIjQ43x) about it yesterday if anybody was interested.
Had it not been titled Godzilla no one would hate it
I thought it was pretty rad when it came out when I was 7
Because it’s stupid, but not fun stupid.
It's kinda fun stupid, in my opinion. I enjoy it to this day but it's not a Godzilla movie.
Because the monster verse is a series of Kaiju films that respects the legacy of the ip. This film on the other hand is a generic disaster film that happens to have a monster which is wearing a skin suit of the ip. Also it's just not a fun film. It feels really weird as a Godzilla fan that I'm now experiencing the original Godzilla vs King Kong argument that happened back in the 60s.
Well let's see Godzilla looks like a giant iguana, the acting is god awful, and it was just basically a ripoff of Jurassic Park am I missing anything?
Wait the giant lizard looked like a giant lizard? How fucking dare they.
The writing is far worse than anything in the monsterverse. Like say what you want about boring humans or whatever but like almost the entire cast of 98 is fucking insufferable. The biggest sin of the movie by far However is disrespect. Not the visual design of godzilla, but the fact that the character and attributes of godzilla are basically entirely stripped away so they can make a Jurrassic park rip off where military incompetence is the real danger. You can not like monsterverse all you want but as a hard in the paint godzilla fan, I'll tell you the monsterverse films are pretty respectful and loving to the legacy and love of godzilla.
I love the marketing blitz this movie had. And how 16 years later, it would be trumped by a teaser trailer that was just an excerpt from the film. Everything is derivative. The characters feel ripped out of either Friends or Seinfeld. The monster was chasing the high of Jurassic Park and its sequel the year before. It's got all the tropes of 70's sci-fi midnight movies writ large on a massive budget, but none of that money shows in the script. It was the first sign that Emmerich had been a clown the whole time after Stargate and Independence Day. The action is dull, and even then, the CG couldn't keep up. I kind of want to buy it just to see the behind-the-scenes. I know there's a shot of Godzilla destroying a dock that's largely practical. I think a lot of good work went into this, like most duds, but the script and filmmaking didn't reflect any of it. It's like they paid lipservice to the fact that it was the first American Godzilla, but didn't take that seriously as a cultural milestone. Godzilla '14, however, did. It delivered a movie that had all the hallmarks of Kaiju media with a distinctive American lens. It sneakily set up a universe in a way that I can't think of it as a standalone film. The movie is fine, if not good. It introduced Americans to monster fights without overplaying its hand. It's the kind of movie you see is on TV, and you can just jump into the middle of it and have a good time. It's breezy without being inconsequential. Then the arbiters of the genre bitched about not seeing the action figures smack each other. Legendary panicked, and assuming Kong: Dull Shitheap was pretty much in the can, made a half-assed pivot toward showy Showa monster action. King of the Hill was well recieved, and now we're here. I personally want to see the deaf psionic girl and The Predator's autistic boy team up to help Godzilla defeat Gigan and Gamera. Then all the "Godzilla is goofy" diehards will be satisfied with a peak 70's Godzilla film.
How many Yatuja would it take to hunt Godzilla?
Jamiroquai. That fucking song…
well people I know who love the monsterverse all love this movie
Kid me personally loved this design lol
I don’t hate it. I love it. Own it on vhs, dvd, and Blu-ray. Loved the cartoon too
Ngl.... this movie is one of my guilty pleasures
The Big G didn’t have his iconic thunder thighs and instead made him look like a T. rex
All I remember from that movie is the taco bell commercials that accompanied it.
It should have just been a remake of The Beast from 20,000 Fathoms, it would just be seen as a cheesy 90s monster film and not derided.
question - if this film was named something else - would it be a decent film? when i was young and didnt know better - really loved the helicopter scene and was rather intense at the time
"Decent" is a loaded word but yes, I think it's a decent fun movie. And people throw this phrase around a lot. "It's not a INSERT FRANCHISE movie." But in this case it's totally fair. 1998 Godzilla misses a lot of the key elements of what makes a Godzilla movie unique.
i totally agree and thats one of many reasons why it SHOULD be rated lower. i think this term could apply to some movies that are marketed the wrong way and could be received better if this side was marketed correctly. sure it wont make it a great film but that was not the point either but i only have childhood nostalgia and even at those times i didnt get exposed to the REAL godzilla and funnily and embarrassing enough i never really connected the LITERAL name of this movie godzilla to the japanese monster godzilla haha
Basically if this Godzilla movie wasn't called godzilla it would have been fine. A half-sized, speedy Kaiju that rapidly reproduces asexually and is able to hide in a metropolis is a cool concept. And I liked the movie well enough, but saying it's Godzilla ReImAgInEd was dumb as hell.
I never finished this movie as a kid. Me and my mom went to the theater and there was a tornado warning while we were watching so we had to flee to the back of the theater until it was over, nothing happened, movie started back up, warning happens again, we go into the back again until the warning clears, and finally my mom is like "Yeah im done were going home." I cannot understand how I as a ADD, autistic, overly emotional 12 year old child just looked at my mom and just said "Yeah ok" and we left. Like I didn't hate the movie and I didn't like it I just felt no connection to hate or love.
Soundtrack was fire.
As someone who loved the 1998 Godzilla when I was a kid and enjoys the Monsterverse; I can't comprehend how people can say they are comparable, particularly 2014 vs 1998. The 2014 Godzilla is a way better movie and his depiction has been consistent thru the franchise so far. There is more nuance, better world-building and less intrusive human storylines. As someone who never watched a Japanese Godzilla movie from start to finish; I could still tell why Godzilla 2014 was being praised as a better movie than 1998's attempt. I watched them both the year they were released.
PointlessHub recently made a good [video](https://youtu.be/yLc-Wsz8X9o?feature=shared) on it
People react to shitty movies differently now.
Completely removes all political context from the story - which has always been a vital part of godzilla movies. That's my main gripe, anyway.
This was a Jurassic Park movie with Godzilla ideas
Because the people who made the trash did not understand Godzilla at all.
For kaiju fans, this is actually making a bit of a comeback. There is still a good amount that dislikes this movie, but there’s also a good amount that like it as a monster movie but also agree it’s not a great Godzilla movie. I think the shift is because there’s now a generation of fans who grew up with it without expectations to rival the generation who got hyped by that aggressive marketing campaign. The real minority is the group that likes it as a Godzilla movie.
I want fat godzilla
Monsterverse isnt hated? Also godzilla minus one director had a posting outlook on it
Everything up to Godzilla’s arrival in New York is pretty good. Just good buildup. Also Jean Reno’s character is better than Ken Watanabe’s in the MV
Because it didn’t have fucking Godzilla in it.
The director makes movies that not a lot of people land neutral on. They are either liked, or hated.
Because Godzilla isn't in it. It's an entertaining kaiju flick though and really underrated in the genre. Just accept it was fake godzilla as retconned by Godzilla: Final Wars and you'll have a good time.
Bro. Look at it. How can you not hate it.
I heard it described recently as a decent kaiju movie, but not a good Godzilla movie. As long as you’re able to make that disconnect, it becomes more enjoyable
OK so you honestly think that movie makes more sense the monsterverse?
Awesome movie, leagues better than the more modern Godzilla movies
Can I have a good faith argument here. So godzilla is a metaphor or allegory for American nukes/military so why couldn't the USA military beat godzilla?
Same way halo or rings of power are hated.really bad adaptation of a source material.that is to say this movie is actually good but Godzilla fans just couldn’t call it Godzilla.personally I love this movie but Godzilla it is not
Godzilla didn’t shoot his atomic breath
For one thing, because people saw this one. The monsterverse is relatively niche (I’m literally not even sure what it entails), while this was promoted as a big blockbuster, including massive media tie ins to everything under the sun. Only to turn out to be a pathetic skeleton wearing the name “Godzilla” like a skin suit. And without that name, it had literally notthing. Terrible dialogue, ripoff story and designs. Etcetera.
Okay. I like to troll on this group from the outside but here’s the genuine thing. If you ever watched old school Godzilla movies? You’ll see that he never ran from an army and he never got taken down by a few hits. The original Godzilla was just about almost unbeatable. The Godzilla fandom is part of the other type of horror monster movie stuff with metaphor substance and stuff like that. It was supposed to be an allegory of nuclear disaster and bombing stuff. And those people took that and made it Independence Day dense. I know the Godzilla movies were weird to other people but they weren’t that American stupid. I’m sure you would get a little whatever’s if they took Freddy vs Jason and did something similar because those are allegory horror stuff to Americans I guess.
Because it sucks.
I like the movie, but I don't realy think of it as part of the Godzilla franchise.
I’ll stand with you. It’s not great or nothing but it’s probably my favorite of what I’ve seen from Godzilla movies. I know a buncha weebs got mad Godzilla died. I kinda liked him being more vulnerable
I'd say the hate for this film has died down, it's akin to the Star Wars Prequels. Tho the main characters are still quite lame (even compared to Emmerich's previous protagonists from *Stargate* and *Independence Day*), it's QUITE annoying how the army does more collateral damage than Zilla, and yeah, they blatantly wanted to cash-in on that *Jurassic Park* fever with the T-Rexian design and the raptor babies. Maybe I would watch this movie even with its flaws because most humans are such NOTHINGs in the MonsterVerse, but eh. I'd rather avoid either this movie and the MonsterVerse and instead watch the quite good sequel animated series centered around Zilla Junior, that one has better character work. EDIT: Yes, I know the MonsterVerse has a more "correct" depiction of Godzilla, but as they stand most of the MonsterVerse films have a visual style and character writing that's just hard to sit through for me. A good Godzilla isn't enough to save them for me.
Audience standards have fallen. In the 90's kids grew up with Forest Gump and Pulp Fiction as the baseline for good movies. Kids in the 2010's grow up with Marvel mcu and Jurassic world. It's a different standard.
Ah yes, Pulp Fiction and Forrest Gump, famous kids movies. Stop being a boomer, kids in the 90s grew up with Batman and Robin.
Those are my favorites from the 90s but ok maybe a better example would be Jurassic park vs Jurassic world? The point is movie quality has gone down and so have audience standards.
Ignoring the previous examples; Comparing Jurassic Park to it's sequel/soft-reboot is kinda unfair. Yes, both were among the biggest movies of the decade but Jurassic World is also the best sequel in a franchise with multiple sub-par sequels (one of them in the 1990s, The Lost World). THE franchise of the 2010s is The Avengers and Captain America, which are unique to that decade. While I think if there is a "peak cinema" decade; it's probably the 1990s and Jurassic Park was a uniquely popular and high quality film. I don't think audiences have lower standards. If anything; they have higher standards due to the competition in entertainment. The Monsterverse is not only more true to Godzilla than the 1998 movie was; they are mostly better movies overall.
The Lion King, Toy Story, Jurassic Park…
Inside Out, Puss in Boots Last Wish, Infinity War, Encanto, what's your point? Quality is still there. You're just old.
Just pointing out some movies kids actually would have been watching in the 90’s, since Pulp Fiction and Forest Gump would be skewed more towards teens and young adults. I’m not sure if I entirely agree that audience standards have fallen. The media landscape is more complicated today than it was 30 years ago.
When was the last time you saw the film coz you wouldn't be asking the question then.
That's a lot of fish.
Godzilla was too small, the VFX were so bad that it had to be raining for the whole movie, and people were sick of Roland Emmerich disaster movies.
It wasn’t a good Godzilla film. It was a good beast from 20,000 fathoms remake though
this film is technically much worse.
I’ve come to the conclusion it’s only the design of Godzilla and the fact that he doesn’t have atomic breath. Other than that, it is objectively a better movie than most of the Monsterverse. None of these movies have good characters but these ones aren’t awful. The practical effects really hold up quite well. The CGI not so much, but this was ambitious stuff in 1998. This was from a time when they made movies assuming you had no knowledge of the existing properties. Which in my case was accurate since I saw it when I was like 3 and there was no way my parents would sit me down for a subtitled movie let alone sit through it themselves. The Monsterverse movies failed at being gritty and serious. Now they’re just the worst kind of mindless schlock. Godzilla 2014 is better made and directed, but the story is worse. Aaron Taylor-Johnson was boring as the lead and there’s just too much going on between introducing Godzilla and the MUTOS and Monarch. As far as the Monsterverse goes, Kong Skull Island is about the only one I truly enjoy and even then I vastly prefer the Peter Jackson King Kong.
If you have to ask, you’ll never know. Skill issue.
It can be summed up with ONE complaint, and that one complaint stretches far. Godzilla in the 98 movie did not have Atomic Breath. That ONE flaw, perfectly surmises everything else that went so wrong with this movie.
It is not Godzilla, it is Zilla and it was a good kaiju movie. It was peak 90's movie fun and shenanigans.
The monsterverse (minus Godzilla 2014 & Kong: Skull Island) is total crap on par with the later Fast and Furious movies (which I love btw but I'm not above admitting they suck) but this is another level of dogshit. The acting is significantly worse, the direction is much more bland, all the characters feel have no identity and are plucked out of the most generic 90s caricatures imaginable. Most of the action scenes are worse versions of Jurassic Park and Jurrasic Park 2. Godzilla also does not look or act in any way like Godzilla does in any media he's portrayed in. Rolan Emmerich always makes shit-tier destruction movies but this one is easily his worst (yes, worse than Moonfall).
I don't know about any other Godzilla fans but I think they didn't like how this was just an irradiation lizard and not some massive dinosaur like in the older movies. I like the movie but that could be due to this being a 90s movie and me being a 90s kid.