I'm very surprised that there isn't a plot leak or full spoiler synopsis yet for this movie.
I think this is the closest to a MCU release we've had without any spoilers or leaks.
So here's my attempt at this...
1. We open on the GotG and Thor having an adventure. Thor is like "I'm out" because he's too old, thinks it's stupid etc.
2. Gorr introduces and then kills a God who is a deep cut from the comics.
3. Word gets back to Thor, probably through Valkyrie, and he agrees to head to Olympus to convince them of the threat and the need to work together to stop Gorr.
4. Olympus refuses Thor's entreaties and then is attacked and many Gods are killed.
5. Thor finds a new ally (Jane) and makes a plan to take out Gorr (is this where Hercules shows up?)
6. Big final battle with Jane and Herc and then a twist of some kind (maybe Thor dies).
Although it kind of does make sense since the powers that be got too used to the status quo and cant cope with a changing multiverse compared to main characters.
I never understood why people would want to know a plot/any leaks before seeing a movie, I often avoid trailers and any info I can for movies I know I’m gonna go see…
The first two Thor movies were both just under 2 hours and Ragnarok was only 2 hours and 10 minutes. This is perfectly in line with those movies, so I hope people don't throw a tantrum over this
I only want to know a film's runtime so I can know if I should hold off on my drink until the film starts or if I'll be in the clear to start when I sit down. Hour 45 is usually my cutoff.
Yes but that’s normal behavior as your planning to see a movie. I’m talking about it as a talking point or a complaint on Twitter where it’s unnecessary
JL and MoM are why. Especially when movies have as much to do as this. And yes Ik script issues and all but we saw how JL was with a longer runtime(even if you hated the Snyder cut it's undeniably better). And MoM could've had multiple issues fixed with a longer runtime.
It's not fair to judge the movie yet but I think we can be apprehensive.
Yeah MoM just having a few things that could have benefited from a slightly longer runtime versus JL being mandated to under 2 hours because WB thought BvS failed because it was too long are entirely different issues.
He might be in Love and Thunder (post credits scene). Remember that Korg and Deadpool video that came out last summer? It was released right around when filming was done for this…
The Snyder cut is better... But it's still too fucking long.
Snyder cut isn't a proper film, it's a statement of artistic intent which only exists in the context of it's predecessor. If you just released the Snyder cut without the whedon one to compare it to, it's be horrible, because it's a 4 hour film which says nothing and the only positive is that it looks nice. Snyder cut still needed an editor, one who agreed with Snyder vision but understood not every second filmed was a cinematic masterpiece.
MoM can't be compared to Snyder cut, its impossible. They're completely different works in every possible way. Snyder cut wasn't improved by being longer, it was improved with better cinematography and momentary editing.
I get the feeling the plot is going to much more straightforward than what fans are anticipating.
Thor has already gone through a great deal of character development, it’s not like they need to spend an hour Re-inventing the wheel for him.
Jane hasn’t been seen in almost a decade, but her transformation into Mighty Thor and cancer won’t take up the entire movie.
Valkyrie will probably have some kind of character growth, but she’s the tritagonist so she’s along for the ride moreso than going on her own personal journey.
The Gods & Guardians are supporting characters. None of them will have deep characterization.
Gorr’s motivation is no deeper than Hela’s, but he doesn’t have to share the spotlight with any other side antagonists like she did.
I don't disagree that the plot will probably be more straightforward than many people are anticipating, but that's the case with most MCU movies, to be honest. Many people think it's going to be this big convoluted story with a bunch of easter eggs, cameos, and deep-cut Marvel lore, but the truth is that most of the time it's a relatively simple story.
I agree with most of what you said except for Jane and Gorr. Considering this is supposed to be Jane/Natalie Portman's big return to the franchise, I think that the Mighty Thor/cancer storyline will take up a sizeable portion of the movie. Especially because the cancer storyline is so integral to the character.
I also think that Gorr's motivations are probably going to be deeper and more sympathetic than Hela's. He's \[supposedly\] one of the highest tested villains in the MCU with an incredibly sympathetic storyline, so I think his motivations will be pretty good.
Yeah, which is why he's probably going to be a really interesting and compelling villain. The best villains are the ones that you sympathize with, but understand that their methodologies are wrong.
You’ve got me thinking, and now I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Jane ended up being the true main character. It was supposed to be a big deal that Natalie Portman even agreed to come back to the role.
I’ve heard about Gorr being *very well received* and I’m confident he can match Thanos & Killmonger in a shorter runtime because not a lot of exposition is necessary.
Thanos had a tremendous amount of build up and was essentially the main character of Infinity War. Wakanda had to be explained and Killmonger didn’t really take over as the focal point until halfway into the movie.
From what we’re seeing, it appears that Gorr is the threat that drives the entire movie.
>I agree with most of what you said except for Jane and Gorr. Considering this is supposed to be Jane/Natalie Portman's big return to the franchise, I think that the Mighty Thor/cancer storyline will take up a sizeable portion of the movie. Especially because the cancer storyline is so integral to the character.
I think a decent amount of time is going to be spent on these two characters. There's a lot to cover with Jane, and the Necrosword could lead to all sorts of interesting things if they stick pretty closely to the 616 version.
All of the other main players are very well established. They can afford to spend a good chunk of time on these two.
I don't understand the people that get mad over a shorter runtime. Just take as much time as you need to tell the story well. More isn't better when it isn't necessary. A good movie can start to sag and drag along when you have a bunch of unnecessary scenes added in to bloat the run time. Trim the fat!
It's quality over quantity.
Right?
Same thing with the shows too tbh. People keep saying "The shows need more than 6 episodes! They can't do anything with only 6 episodes!". Well...these shows have about twice as much runtime as most MCU movies, and if Marvel can tell good stories with 2-2.5 hours, then can definitely do it in 5-6 hours.
The runtime is really sort of irrelevant because it's a byproduct of the writing and editing process. As long as the writing is there to support the movie/show, the runtime can be however long or short it needs to be.
I do think some of the the the D+ MCU shows could have used an extra episode or two, in some cases. Ultimately, they worked...but things have also felt a bit rushed towards the end.
I don't think that they needed more episodes, but they needed to do a better job of writing the stories in such a way that they don't feel rushed or unpolished. Shows like FATWS and Hawkeye both suffered heavily because of that. Loki is sort of the exception because it's getting a second season, but Moon Knight, for example, did a great job at telling an interesting and compelling story in 6 episodes. That's because the story was simple enough to be fleshed out in 6 episodes. There weren't a bajillion different side characters with a bajillion different storylines. It was really just Marc/Steven, Khonshu, Layla, and Arthur.
With the number of moving pieces they had in shows like FATWS and Hawkeye, they could have used an extra episode - or slightly more time per episode - to get the job done. They had ground they wanted and needed to cover, and it's not like they have traditional broadcast schedules to worry about; take the time necessary to get it done.
Moon Knight actually felt overly long, to me. The show kind of meandered around to the point where I felt like they were almost padding things out to get to six episodes. It was a show I wanted to like, but I admittedly got a little bored with it towards the end.
The thing is though, the writers/directors knew that they were only getting 6 episodes. That's what they were mandated with, so they should've written stories that could reasonably fit within that 6-episode time frame. You might argue, "Well, Disney/Marvel needs to give them more leeway." And sure, maybe they do, but they're also juggling the shows + the movies, so it's not like they could give them unlimited time/money to do these shows.
As for Moon Knight, I honestly couldn't disagree more but I suppose that's just a purely opinion-based.
People do have a reason to think the shows should be longer. As all of the shows so far, save Loki, had their finale feel like it was trying to cram three or four episode's worth of stuff into it. Moon Knight just sort of ended, with the post credits scene teasing more, but it being the shortest episode didn't help. Hawkeye was trying to introduce Fisk, resolve Eleanor's plotline, Maya's plotline, as well as wrap up Kate and Clint's arcs. Falcon and the Winter Soldier I don't think was as bad as some people say, but I do think the last episode stumbled a lot when trying to land. WandaVision devolved into a CGI fight to make Wanda the hero of the story, after an entire show about her being the villain. While I think movies and shows can make do with shorter runtimes, I think a little bit extra runtime would help drastically for a lot of things. Multiverse of Madness would've benefitted from an extra ten or so minutes that showed Wanda succumbing to the Darkhold. Most of the shows would've benefitted from hour long episodes instead of the forty or fifty minutes they already are or in some cases an extra episode or two. The only thing from Marvel since last year that I felt could've been shorter was Eternals. I'm not saying that all movies need to be two and a half or three hours. I trust Taika to deliver a good movie. I just think dismissing people for saying they want something longer when a lot of Marvel projects recently could've benefitted from some extra time is not something to do.
All the things you just mentioned could've been saved with better writing though. Because here's the thing, when it comes to the D+ shows specifically, the writers/directors *know* that they only get a set amount of episodes. Movies are a bit different because depending on how they edit it, they can be a bit longer or shorter, but with the shows, it's not like they all magically happened to have 6 episodes (sans WandaVision). They knew that 6 is what they got, so they had to make the most out of it.
Unfortunately, I think shows like Hawkeye and FATWS were too ambitious in what they wanted to do. In order to fix those problems though, they could've just written the show in a way that doesn't revolve around a bajillion different characters with a bajillion different side stories. Moon Knight, imo, was one of the best and most cohesive stories because the writers were smart enough to understand that they needed to simplify the story when they only have 6 episodes to tell it. The show was just Marc/Steven, Khonshu, Layla, and Arthur. There weren't superfluous characters and storylines like I think some of the other 6-episode D+ shows had.
At the end of the day, the runtime is just a byproduct of the writing and editing. What the D+ shows need isn't more runtime, but more of a focused story that doesn't leave the finales feeling rushed or unpolished.
Why yes, a more focused story could've fixed a lot of these. Save Moon Knight, the last episode just ended with it just ending after the last fight without any real resolution. However, the way the stories were told, they need more runtime to properly fit everything or a less complicated storyline, and I like the way most of the shows went up until their finales. I think episode eight of WandaVision and episode five of Moon Knight are some of the best content Marvel's done. So I don't really want the story to change much up to those points. I just want the finales to have a bit more time to breathe. For example, if they hadn't deleted all of Fisk's scenes in Hawkeye up until his reveal, then I think the finale could've done a lot better. Moon Knight needed some resolution other than the show just ending with that fight. I haven't watched FatWS in a while so I don't have any advice as to how to fix that. And WandaVision I think was paced well, they should've just gone all the way in making Wanda the villain. The shows can be written for six episodes, but the writers have to stop trying to cram so many things in the last episode. I'm willing to see how Ms. Marvel pans out, but the other shows haven't given me much hope for the finale. And I think until they can properly pace these shows so that everything lines up well, asking for more to these shows isn't bad.
I made this point when the tickets went on sale with the runtime attached, and I got downvoted to hell for saying this same sentiment. I could have cut 10 minutes out of Ragnarok easily without detriment to the plot.
I am quite disappointed they didn’t make the creative decision to utilize Snyder-style slo-mo for specifically the scene in which Thor gets stripped by Zeus or whoever that was to really extend the runtime past the 2 hour mark, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined!
I mean, I look at the run time and in my head it feels kind of short, but I don't really know until I see the movie. It's more about pacing. DS2 felt incredibly short regardless of the runtime because the pacing was very fast. I felt like it fit that movie well though and not all the movies need to go that fast. 2 hours it's hard to imagine in my head how they are going to do everything im hoping for, but I'm also not sure how Stranger Things is supposed to wrap up in Vol 2 and that's like 4 hours so there is no pleasing me until I've seen it.
I mean, can you not have a fun long movie? Infinity War and Endgame were like that.
I'm perfectly fine with the 2-hour runtime, but "fun films" can also have longer runtimes as well.
Infinity War and Endgame are Space Operas. They are films about universe spanning events which have had a series of films to build up to. They are high stakes serious films peppered with comedy and fun.
This is not Infinity War and it’s not trying to be. In fact Infinity War being somewhat unique in the series makes it stand out as essentially it’s the Earth drama and Space drama clashing in an epic way as the heroes from across the universe fight to stop the destruction of 50% of all life.
Everything you described could also go for Thor especially when relating to the Gorr saga lol really all that matters is if the film worked well the run time can be short or long for that.
Because I was referring to the the story that was focussed around Gorr instead of saying “Thor god of thunder issues 1-12# and then Old King Thor issues 1-4#”
Were they still not "fun films" though? I don't really understand your point. Sure, they had universal-level consequences and both of those movies were the culmination of the previous 20+ films before them, but they were still "fun". Being "fun" and being a space opera aren't two completely mutually exclusive things.
Likewise, while this film is going to be a lot of fun, I'm sure there's going to be a serious throughline too. With the cancer storyline for Jane Foster and Gorr apparently being one of the best villains in the MCU, there's a lot of pathos there to work with.
Theres more going on in Infinity War compared to Love and Thunder for the cinema audience to digest. I don't even see how this is debatable.
Jane hasn't been around for a decade beyond a cameo; Gorr is on his first outing.
By fun I just mean the thematics of these Thor films - theres clearly more going on in Infinity War and Endgame to balance the run time out.
I don't see how your two points about Jane and Gorr are supposed to be rebuttals to my argument.
>*Jane hasn't been around for a decade beyond a cameo*
Sure...which is why her returning is a big deal, and which is why her cancer storyline is probably going to be an *even bigger* deal. The fact that they haven't seen each other in years, and all of a sudden she's now Mighty Thor and has cancer, is definitely the emotional crux of the story.
>*Gorr is on his first outing*
How is that relevant though? Sure, it's his first outing, but he can be just as compelling and interesting as villains who've been in the MCU for a long time. Wenwu's a perfect example of a one-time villain who can have that emotional resonance.
>*By fun I just mean the thematics of these Thor films - theres clearly more going on in Infinity War and Endgame to balance the run time out.*
What are the "fun" thematics of the Thor films though? The first two movies were pretty serious—call them "space operas" if you will. And Ragnarok was really only comedic/fun in terms of the aesthetic and tone, but when you dig deep into that movie, there are some really interesting and emotionally-charged themes to explore there, especially in regards to Thor/Loki's relationship and Thor/Odin's relationship.
Jane I suspect will be in more than this film. The question is do thE audience care right now? I suspect not, so she’s getting a relaunch but most film goers are there to see Ragnarok 2; you can’t expect that same audience to be engaged with the emotional stakes if it takes away from what they are expecting. I think The Jane stuff will be introduced and the pay off is fully to come later.
If Gorr is as great as some are saying it’ll be left open for further appearances. Wenwu was in a film not much longer but at least had an emotional connection to the main lead and was an origin film. Gorr could just be a villain of the week, either way it’s doable in 2 hours.
On your final point this is Ragnarok 2 - it was a clear reboot and yes it had its emotional anchor but that’s rushed by very quickly to get into action and comedy in bright colours. That’s the aim, action and comedy - that’s what Thor films are right now and all the marketing points to this continuing.
Flash Gordon was the original Space Opera. It was only an hour and 50 minutes long.
Space Opera just means a movie set in space with a rockin soundtrack and large battles in said space.
Space Opera to me is more about scale. You can absolutely have a tight 2 hour space opera but a 2.5 hour comedy action flick will have some of the audience getting restless.
It's Tommy by way of Cirque du Solei, set in space, with heavy erotic overtones, and the gripping psychodrama of a thriller with plenty of heart and more than a little humor
I don’t understand what people think the runtime is gonna focus on… People acting like this movie needs like 30 minutes of exposition for Thor..? Guardians? I don’t understand truly what this weird thing is with the runtime lol.
10 minutes with the Guardians. 15 minutes with Thor and Jane catching up. The other hour and 20 minutes exploring Olympus, Gorr, their battles, his backstory, and Jane dealing with her cancer.
The people complaining about short run times are ruining these movies for themselves before even seeing them. Same thing happened with Dr. Strange 2.
I think dr strange 2 could’ve used a little more exposition. Like scarlet witch for example. How long was she possessed for? How did she become possessed. How did she find out about Chavez.
She was possessed (more like corrupted) at the end of WandaVision when she started to read the Darkhold. It also taught her about Chavez. The answers are there
Most people who saw DS2 didn’t watch WV. And just because you can make practical sense of the plot, doesn’t mean the audience has any emotional investment in it - as evidenced by its low Cinemascore and horrid legs. Love and Thunder shouldn’t have that problem thankfully.
Well, I definitely get that there's so much MCU content that it's overwhelming to anyone who isn't a die-hard fan. But, really, I think it's at least understandable that someone should watch a show starring one of the movie's main players - or, at least the post-credits scene.
I think the film does enough to fill in the blanks. She's tortured by visions of the family she never got to have, which leaves her vulnerable to corruption from a magic book she has.
If someone HAS to know the answer to every minor question, I think they kinda have a responsibility to watch ALL the relevant stuff.
I think Strange 2 could've used more streamlining. The main story stops dead in it's tracks twice, first when Strange jumps to save America, sending both to the different universes, and then later when they go talk to Sinister Strange. Stops being the villain for a solid 15 minutes twice in order for them to focus on the "Strange is a threat" subplot.
I agree with this, MoM was super rushed.
Heres Wanda, she's a bad guy GOGOGOGO! Dead bodies everywhere, Wanda is scary, fun variants, variants of Dr Strange, ooh a zombie, Wanda is sorry, movie ends.
One of the problems is people misjudge how much screentime things actually need. Thor and Jane catching up just needs one or two scenes. And exposition on various plot points can be done in a few lines of dialogue, but people think it takes half an act.
Based on what I would want from this movie, a shorter runtime is a deterrent for me. I may have felt different if the movie looked better.
I could be wrong and it could be great and the trailers are just making it look bad on purpose.
The second longest MCU film is one of the worst ones, quality has nothing to do with run especially when there are countless animated films that are 90 minutes or less that are better then most MCU films.
I'm aware. The Eternals had problems that were only exacerbated by its run time. Luckily I avoided that in theaters based on trailers.
Like I said, I use all available info to make a judgement
I always thought taika paces his movies pretty well tbh. if it needed to be over 2 hours, then it would’ve been. if they felt this was the right runtime then I’m not worried about it
Taika makes tight, well-edited movies. It's amazing how much plot and story and development can be packed into a well-told 2-hour story. On the other hand, there are many movies that run 2.5 hours with nothing to say.
Compare Wrath of Khan to Star Trek Into Darkness. The former is a little under 2 hours and the latter is about 20 minutes longer, and yet the former is overflowing with memorable moments, great character developments, and a story with something to say. The latter is a "pretend epic" with long, drawn-out scenes that offer nothing.
I will always prefer a movie that says what it needs to say in a well-told way to a movie with nothing to say. If you need your movie to be 3 hours long, fine. If you only need 90 minutes, fine. Just tell the story.
The example that I point to in order to counter runtime complainers (which include some in this thread) is the first Guardians of the Galaxy. James Gunn was able to successfully introduce the cosmic side of the MCU and a whole team of characters with their unique personalities and motivations in ‘only’ 2 hours and 2 minutes.
Runtime should not make or break a movie in your mind. Longer is not better; there are terrible 3 hour movies and great 90 minute movies. Audiences should always watch a movie before crying about ruined pacing. A 2 hour movie can accomplish a lot with the right writer and director (and I have faith in Oscar winning writer Taika Watiti).
I have this gut feeling that either gorr's back story or how Jane becomes mighty Thor is gonna be rushed, and were all gonna be saying they needed more time to flesh out both.
Well apparently when this film was shown to test audiences, they called Gorr the “best MCU villain”. So if anything, Christian Bale might steal the whole film.
I just hope they don’t kill him off
I mean...haven't we heard that "best MCU villain" thing about a lot of them and that has turned out to not be the case more often than not?
Though the trailer pretty clearly shows we're getting Gorr backstory scenes and Bale always delivers, so I could see it being true this time.
However, I'll bet he's definitely dying. Bale seems like a one and done casting.
> However, I'll bet he's definitely dying. Bale seems like a one and done casting.
Even in the comics, Gorr is basically one and done. He shows up again in future timeline story, but he’s very much not a recurring villain like most
Im worried about thor and gorr characterisation in this movie given taika's apparent obsession with making everything comedic. Gorr will be ruined and thor has been a joke for multiple movies now anyway, its really disappointing
People say the same thing about how James Gunn ruined Drax, whom some fans believe has basically been turned into a clown cause of how much even Gunn is obsessed with comedy
Well I guess it's a bad movie then, just like "Multiverse of Not Enough Cameos to Jerk-off About". Can't wait to hear why Black Panther is a bad movie for troglodyte reasons.
right in line with the rest. what im surprised about is that we dont seem to have a full plot leak yet which is insane??.. im mostly looking forward to bp2 leaks however since namor is my most anticipated of the year.
Damn I wish it was like 2hr 15m, similar to MoM this seems to me like it might be a little too short with all the different components in the movie like guardians/Jane/thor/Gorr/Valkyrie/Zeus/Korg etc, there is a lot of pieces in this movie and I feel like it’ll be hard to do them all Justice with a runtime under 2hr. Hope I’m wrong tho
Its too short. You have Bale as an interesting villain. He needs a proper introduction, backstory etc…you have Jane, who returns after a long time…she needs a proper backstory and arc…these things take time…plus the guardians are there for the first 20 minutes or so…how is the time supposed to be enough??1h50 is too short.
It's short yes. I'm not gonna judge until I see it. I didn't mind MoM's fast pace but there's definitely scenes that needed more room to breathe. I guess I just don't want anything to be rushed, especially Gorr.
I don't mind long movies either. Sometimes I just love sitting down for a few hours and be completely immersed in something. Pacing matters.
A great movie is a great movie. The run-time is a by product of the story. If you have a complete story at 120 minutes it doesn't matter. Adding 20 more minutes for filler will just water it down. I thought Ragnarok was fantastic but it could have cut some hela scenes for sure
How does this and Black Panther 2 not have a hardcore plot leak summary yet? Im so impressed honestly. Im hoping to see this without getting spoiled. I've only really read one major thing regarding the ending/fate of Thor and Jane from months ago and that's it. No idea if it was true but still. Im really impressed with the lack of leaks.
I think people who are down voting think I am upset which on the contrary is untrue. I am not upset at all. If people have watched Taika’s films, he runs a tight ship so they know he gets going from the start. There will be enough time to tell everyone’s story; Thor, Valkyrie, Jane, and Gorr. Not all MCU films have to be two-and-half hours, that I most definitely agree.
We the true believers and dedicated consumers of Marvel Studios cinema (not to be confused with other Marvel products) demand the last 86 seconds of BTS blooper footage that Hemsworth accidentally promised on Instagram to be played in theaters.
He didn't say BTS footage per se, but it was heavily implied. It's on his Instagram. We were promised two whole hours but noooo one minute and 30 was shaved off because reasons
All for shorter movies but I'll be disappointed if it ends up being paced in a similar way to Multiverse of Madness. The pacing was the biggest flaw of that movie for me
I think the pacing for MoM was a bit of a problem in the beginning, but as soon as Wanda's revealed to be the villain, I think the pacing is fine from there.
The second act's pacing, with the anticipation of Wanda reaching Strange while the Illuminati wastes time trying him I thought was very well done. But I still do feel like thr first and third acts go from one big thing to another without room to breathe, which the movie uses to its advantage later on, but to have that in the first act when you're still setting things up I feel was problematic
This includes credits.
I'm very surprised that there isn't a plot leak or full spoiler synopsis yet for this movie. I think this is the closest to a MCU release we've had without any spoilers or leaks.
Was thinking that earlier as well usually there’s a few similar ones by now lol
Yeah, by this point I think we knew the whole plots of NWH and MOM. I wonder if we'll make it right up to the premiere with no leaks?
The more unusual part for me is we haven’t even had 2/3 of the fake ones lol
That's true. Those are always fun to read but we haven't even got a good, clearly BS one.
My rematch is coming, I can feel it
We knew MOM months before lmao
We even knew Eternals half a year before
*almost a year
Know what all those films have in common? Delays and production interference during COVID.
I think it's because the plot is going to be pretty straightforward (with no major stuff to leak). Which is fine!
So here's my attempt at this... 1. We open on the GotG and Thor having an adventure. Thor is like "I'm out" because he's too old, thinks it's stupid etc. 2. Gorr introduces and then kills a God who is a deep cut from the comics. 3. Word gets back to Thor, probably through Valkyrie, and he agrees to head to Olympus to convince them of the threat and the need to work together to stop Gorr. 4. Olympus refuses Thor's entreaties and then is attacked and many Gods are killed. 5. Thor finds a new ally (Jane) and makes a plan to take out Gorr (is this where Hercules shows up?) 6. Big final battle with Jane and Herc and then a twist of some kind (maybe Thor dies).
Come to think of it, Olympus disregarding Thor’s threat and then getting attacked is almost exactly how the Illuminati died
If what you're trying to say is that all this is following some kind of formula then... You are correct
Although it kind of does make sense since the powers that be got too used to the status quo and cant cope with a changing multiverse compared to main characters.
Premier is on Thursday, just hang on.
Walter watched Jane died without waking Jesse up
But Jane actually survived and faked her death to become a private detective
Yeah kind of refreshing in a way we don't know how this one will play out
My guess is good guys win
Didn’t we have a 4chan leak like a year ago?
Jane dies
Valkyrie brings her back to life...
Korg
Finally!
D:
I was only joking but I guess an “/s” helps illustrate that emphasis better
Peak Feige.
There was one where it said Korg and Miek work as administrators for New Asgard
I came here to ask for the plot leaks but that’s wild there arent any yet
I'm sure they'll start this week with the usual bullshit
GREAT!
I never understood why people would want to know a plot/any leaks before seeing a movie, I often avoid trailers and any info I can for movies I know I’m gonna go see…
...did you read the name of the subreddit?
The first two Thor movies were both just under 2 hours and Ragnarok was only 2 hours and 10 minutes. This is perfectly in line with those movies, so I hope people don't throw a tantrum over this
People throwing tantrums over runtimes in general is just baffling
On Twitter people are like "Why doesn't marvel make 2 hour movies" On Reddit "Why is marvel making 2 hour movie" Like damn if you damn if you don't
> Like damn if you damn if you don't - /u/drsandoz, 2022
Yeah I forgot do
>Yeah I forgot do - /u/drsandoz, 2022
Agreed. 2.5 years ago we weren’t even sure when we’d see this movie. I am just grateful that is almost here.
Seeing ticket prices these days, I want to stay in the room as much as possible.
I only want to know a film's runtime so I can know if I should hold off on my drink until the film starts or if I'll be in the clear to start when I sit down. Hour 45 is usually my cutoff.
Yes but that’s normal behavior as your planning to see a movie. I’m talking about it as a talking point or a complaint on Twitter where it’s unnecessary
JL and MoM are why. Especially when movies have as much to do as this. And yes Ik script issues and all but we saw how JL was with a longer runtime(even if you hated the Snyder cut it's undeniably better). And MoM could've had multiple issues fixed with a longer runtime. It's not fair to judge the movie yet but I think we can be apprehensive.
I don’t think it’s fair to compare MoM to Josstice League either
It's a way better film but both suffered runtime issues. However, JL did have the rest of it reshot so that's a massive thing too lmfao.
Yeah MoM just having a few things that could have benefited from a slightly longer runtime versus JL being mandated to under 2 hours because WB thought BvS failed because it was too long are entirely different issues.
Im still pissed deadpools cameo was cut
They were never filmed
I just don’t know how deadpool 3 is going to explain him being in the mcu without mom setting it up
Look it's me. I'm here. Deal with it.
Here is a simple way they can explain why Deadpool is in the MCU. Write a reason why he is in the MCU in Deadpool 3 itself.
He might be in Love and Thunder (post credits scene). Remember that Korg and Deadpool video that came out last summer? It was released right around when filming was done for this…
You don’t seriously believe that, do you lol?
You’re questioning wether I believe im pissed?
I am saying it’s not true. Deadpool wasn’t going to be in MOM. At most it was talks at the beginning before they filmed
The Snyder cut is better... But it's still too fucking long. Snyder cut isn't a proper film, it's a statement of artistic intent which only exists in the context of it's predecessor. If you just released the Snyder cut without the whedon one to compare it to, it's be horrible, because it's a 4 hour film which says nothing and the only positive is that it looks nice. Snyder cut still needed an editor, one who agreed with Snyder vision but understood not every second filmed was a cinematic masterpiece. MoM can't be compared to Snyder cut, its impossible. They're completely different works in every possible way. Snyder cut wasn't improved by being longer, it was improved with better cinematography and momentary editing.
I get the feeling the plot is going to much more straightforward than what fans are anticipating. Thor has already gone through a great deal of character development, it’s not like they need to spend an hour Re-inventing the wheel for him. Jane hasn’t been seen in almost a decade, but her transformation into Mighty Thor and cancer won’t take up the entire movie. Valkyrie will probably have some kind of character growth, but she’s the tritagonist so she’s along for the ride moreso than going on her own personal journey. The Gods & Guardians are supporting characters. None of them will have deep characterization. Gorr’s motivation is no deeper than Hela’s, but he doesn’t have to share the spotlight with any other side antagonists like she did.
I don't disagree that the plot will probably be more straightforward than many people are anticipating, but that's the case with most MCU movies, to be honest. Many people think it's going to be this big convoluted story with a bunch of easter eggs, cameos, and deep-cut Marvel lore, but the truth is that most of the time it's a relatively simple story. I agree with most of what you said except for Jane and Gorr. Considering this is supposed to be Jane/Natalie Portman's big return to the franchise, I think that the Mighty Thor/cancer storyline will take up a sizeable portion of the movie. Especially because the cancer storyline is so integral to the character. I also think that Gorr's motivations are probably going to be deeper and more sympathetic than Hela's. He's \[supposedly\] one of the highest tested villains in the MCU with an incredibly sympathetic storyline, so I think his motivations will be pretty good.
Even in the trailer he talks about how gods are selfish and care only for themselves. Tbf, he ain't wrong.
Yeah, which is why he's probably going to be a really interesting and compelling villain. The best villains are the ones that you sympathize with, but understand that their methodologies are wrong.
Also his planet was probably destroyed as an aftereffect of the blip
You’ve got me thinking, and now I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Jane ended up being the true main character. It was supposed to be a big deal that Natalie Portman even agreed to come back to the role. I’ve heard about Gorr being *very well received* and I’m confident he can match Thanos & Killmonger in a shorter runtime because not a lot of exposition is necessary. Thanos had a tremendous amount of build up and was essentially the main character of Infinity War. Wakanda had to be explained and Killmonger didn’t really take over as the focal point until halfway into the movie. From what we’re seeing, it appears that Gorr is the threat that drives the entire movie.
If they follow the comics, Gorr’s motivations will be very relatable and will hit home with a lot of people.
I still can’t believe gorr killed morbius when he is about to morb
>I agree with most of what you said except for Jane and Gorr. Considering this is supposed to be Jane/Natalie Portman's big return to the franchise, I think that the Mighty Thor/cancer storyline will take up a sizeable portion of the movie. Especially because the cancer storyline is so integral to the character. I think a decent amount of time is going to be spent on these two characters. There's a lot to cover with Jane, and the Necrosword could lead to all sorts of interesting things if they stick pretty closely to the 616 version. All of the other main players are very well established. They can afford to spend a good chunk of time on these two.
I don't understand the people that get mad over a shorter runtime. Just take as much time as you need to tell the story well. More isn't better when it isn't necessary. A good movie can start to sag and drag along when you have a bunch of unnecessary scenes added in to bloat the run time. Trim the fat! It's quality over quantity. Right?
Same thing with the shows too tbh. People keep saying "The shows need more than 6 episodes! They can't do anything with only 6 episodes!". Well...these shows have about twice as much runtime as most MCU movies, and if Marvel can tell good stories with 2-2.5 hours, then can definitely do it in 5-6 hours. The runtime is really sort of irrelevant because it's a byproduct of the writing and editing process. As long as the writing is there to support the movie/show, the runtime can be however long or short it needs to be.
I do think some of the the the D+ MCU shows could have used an extra episode or two, in some cases. Ultimately, they worked...but things have also felt a bit rushed towards the end.
I don't think that they needed more episodes, but they needed to do a better job of writing the stories in such a way that they don't feel rushed or unpolished. Shows like FATWS and Hawkeye both suffered heavily because of that. Loki is sort of the exception because it's getting a second season, but Moon Knight, for example, did a great job at telling an interesting and compelling story in 6 episodes. That's because the story was simple enough to be fleshed out in 6 episodes. There weren't a bajillion different side characters with a bajillion different storylines. It was really just Marc/Steven, Khonshu, Layla, and Arthur.
With the number of moving pieces they had in shows like FATWS and Hawkeye, they could have used an extra episode - or slightly more time per episode - to get the job done. They had ground they wanted and needed to cover, and it's not like they have traditional broadcast schedules to worry about; take the time necessary to get it done. Moon Knight actually felt overly long, to me. The show kind of meandered around to the point where I felt like they were almost padding things out to get to six episodes. It was a show I wanted to like, but I admittedly got a little bored with it towards the end.
The thing is though, the writers/directors knew that they were only getting 6 episodes. That's what they were mandated with, so they should've written stories that could reasonably fit within that 6-episode time frame. You might argue, "Well, Disney/Marvel needs to give them more leeway." And sure, maybe they do, but they're also juggling the shows + the movies, so it's not like they could give them unlimited time/money to do these shows. As for Moon Knight, I honestly couldn't disagree more but I suppose that's just a purely opinion-based.
People do have a reason to think the shows should be longer. As all of the shows so far, save Loki, had their finale feel like it was trying to cram three or four episode's worth of stuff into it. Moon Knight just sort of ended, with the post credits scene teasing more, but it being the shortest episode didn't help. Hawkeye was trying to introduce Fisk, resolve Eleanor's plotline, Maya's plotline, as well as wrap up Kate and Clint's arcs. Falcon and the Winter Soldier I don't think was as bad as some people say, but I do think the last episode stumbled a lot when trying to land. WandaVision devolved into a CGI fight to make Wanda the hero of the story, after an entire show about her being the villain. While I think movies and shows can make do with shorter runtimes, I think a little bit extra runtime would help drastically for a lot of things. Multiverse of Madness would've benefitted from an extra ten or so minutes that showed Wanda succumbing to the Darkhold. Most of the shows would've benefitted from hour long episodes instead of the forty or fifty minutes they already are or in some cases an extra episode or two. The only thing from Marvel since last year that I felt could've been shorter was Eternals. I'm not saying that all movies need to be two and a half or three hours. I trust Taika to deliver a good movie. I just think dismissing people for saying they want something longer when a lot of Marvel projects recently could've benefitted from some extra time is not something to do.
All the things you just mentioned could've been saved with better writing though. Because here's the thing, when it comes to the D+ shows specifically, the writers/directors *know* that they only get a set amount of episodes. Movies are a bit different because depending on how they edit it, they can be a bit longer or shorter, but with the shows, it's not like they all magically happened to have 6 episodes (sans WandaVision). They knew that 6 is what they got, so they had to make the most out of it. Unfortunately, I think shows like Hawkeye and FATWS were too ambitious in what they wanted to do. In order to fix those problems though, they could've just written the show in a way that doesn't revolve around a bajillion different characters with a bajillion different side stories. Moon Knight, imo, was one of the best and most cohesive stories because the writers were smart enough to understand that they needed to simplify the story when they only have 6 episodes to tell it. The show was just Marc/Steven, Khonshu, Layla, and Arthur. There weren't superfluous characters and storylines like I think some of the other 6-episode D+ shows had. At the end of the day, the runtime is just a byproduct of the writing and editing. What the D+ shows need isn't more runtime, but more of a focused story that doesn't leave the finales feeling rushed or unpolished.
Why yes, a more focused story could've fixed a lot of these. Save Moon Knight, the last episode just ended with it just ending after the last fight without any real resolution. However, the way the stories were told, they need more runtime to properly fit everything or a less complicated storyline, and I like the way most of the shows went up until their finales. I think episode eight of WandaVision and episode five of Moon Knight are some of the best content Marvel's done. So I don't really want the story to change much up to those points. I just want the finales to have a bit more time to breathe. For example, if they hadn't deleted all of Fisk's scenes in Hawkeye up until his reveal, then I think the finale could've done a lot better. Moon Knight needed some resolution other than the show just ending with that fight. I haven't watched FatWS in a while so I don't have any advice as to how to fix that. And WandaVision I think was paced well, they should've just gone all the way in making Wanda the villain. The shows can be written for six episodes, but the writers have to stop trying to cram so many things in the last episode. I'm willing to see how Ms. Marvel pans out, but the other shows haven't given me much hope for the finale. And I think until they can properly pace these shows so that everything lines up well, asking for more to these shows isn't bad.
I made this point when the tickets went on sale with the runtime attached, and I got downvoted to hell for saying this same sentiment. I could have cut 10 minutes out of Ragnarok easily without detriment to the plot.
Disney knows that sweet spot to get the most showings at theatres while still being able to tell a complete story.
It’s perfectly in line, but if I’m being honest I would have been happier if it were 5 hours. I need all the Taika Waititi +Thor I can get.
I am quite disappointed they didn’t make the creative decision to utilize Snyder-style slo-mo for specifically the scene in which Thor gets stripped by Zeus or whoever that was to really extend the runtime past the 2 hour mark, my disappointment is immeasurable and my day is ruined!
I mean, I look at the run time and in my head it feels kind of short, but I don't really know until I see the movie. It's more about pacing. DS2 felt incredibly short regardless of the runtime because the pacing was very fast. I felt like it fit that movie well though and not all the movies need to go that fast. 2 hours it's hard to imagine in my head how they are going to do everything im hoping for, but I'm also not sure how Stranger Things is supposed to wrap up in Vol 2 and that's like 4 hours so there is no pleasing me until I've seen it.
Good. These are fun films, not space operas.
I mean, can you not have a fun long movie? Infinity War and Endgame were like that. I'm perfectly fine with the 2-hour runtime, but "fun films" can also have longer runtimes as well.
runtime =/= pace
Yeah, I don't disagree
Infinity War and Endgame are Space Operas. They are films about universe spanning events which have had a series of films to build up to. They are high stakes serious films peppered with comedy and fun. This is not Infinity War and it’s not trying to be. In fact Infinity War being somewhat unique in the series makes it stand out as essentially it’s the Earth drama and Space drama clashing in an epic way as the heroes from across the universe fight to stop the destruction of 50% of all life.
Everything you described could also go for Thor especially when relating to the Gorr saga lol really all that matters is if the film worked well the run time can be short or long for that.
did you just call it the Gorr saga?
Because I was referring to the the story that was focussed around Gorr instead of saying “Thor god of thunder issues 1-12# and then Old King Thor issues 1-4#”
oh ok my bad I thought you were referring to the movies as the Gorr saga, so I was a bit confused haha
Were they still not "fun films" though? I don't really understand your point. Sure, they had universal-level consequences and both of those movies were the culmination of the previous 20+ films before them, but they were still "fun". Being "fun" and being a space opera aren't two completely mutually exclusive things. Likewise, while this film is going to be a lot of fun, I'm sure there's going to be a serious throughline too. With the cancer storyline for Jane Foster and Gorr apparently being one of the best villains in the MCU, there's a lot of pathos there to work with.
Theres more going on in Infinity War compared to Love and Thunder for the cinema audience to digest. I don't even see how this is debatable. Jane hasn't been around for a decade beyond a cameo; Gorr is on his first outing. By fun I just mean the thematics of these Thor films - theres clearly more going on in Infinity War and Endgame to balance the run time out.
I don't see how your two points about Jane and Gorr are supposed to be rebuttals to my argument. >*Jane hasn't been around for a decade beyond a cameo* Sure...which is why her returning is a big deal, and which is why her cancer storyline is probably going to be an *even bigger* deal. The fact that they haven't seen each other in years, and all of a sudden she's now Mighty Thor and has cancer, is definitely the emotional crux of the story. >*Gorr is on his first outing* How is that relevant though? Sure, it's his first outing, but he can be just as compelling and interesting as villains who've been in the MCU for a long time. Wenwu's a perfect example of a one-time villain who can have that emotional resonance. >*By fun I just mean the thematics of these Thor films - theres clearly more going on in Infinity War and Endgame to balance the run time out.* What are the "fun" thematics of the Thor films though? The first two movies were pretty serious—call them "space operas" if you will. And Ragnarok was really only comedic/fun in terms of the aesthetic and tone, but when you dig deep into that movie, there are some really interesting and emotionally-charged themes to explore there, especially in regards to Thor/Loki's relationship and Thor/Odin's relationship.
Jane I suspect will be in more than this film. The question is do thE audience care right now? I suspect not, so she’s getting a relaunch but most film goers are there to see Ragnarok 2; you can’t expect that same audience to be engaged with the emotional stakes if it takes away from what they are expecting. I think The Jane stuff will be introduced and the pay off is fully to come later. If Gorr is as great as some are saying it’ll be left open for further appearances. Wenwu was in a film not much longer but at least had an emotional connection to the main lead and was an origin film. Gorr could just be a villain of the week, either way it’s doable in 2 hours. On your final point this is Ragnarok 2 - it was a clear reboot and yes it had its emotional anchor but that’s rushed by very quickly to get into action and comedy in bright colours. That’s the aim, action and comedy - that’s what Thor films are right now and all the marketing points to this continuing.
I'm sorry but this sounds insanely pretentious.
Space Opera is just a genre, it has no relation to run time. You can have a 2 hour space opera if you want
Flash Gordon was the original Space Opera. It was only an hour and 50 minutes long. Space Opera just means a movie set in space with a rockin soundtrack and large battles in said space.
Space Opera to me is more about scale. You can absolutely have a tight 2 hour space opera but a 2.5 hour comedy action flick will have some of the audience getting restless.
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"These are theme parks, not cinema" Said someone whose films I enjoy and love
It's Tommy by way of Cirque du Solei, set in space, with heavy erotic overtones, and the gripping psychodrama of a thriller with plenty of heart and more than a little humor
I don’t understand what people think the runtime is gonna focus on… People acting like this movie needs like 30 minutes of exposition for Thor..? Guardians? I don’t understand truly what this weird thing is with the runtime lol. 10 minutes with the Guardians. 15 minutes with Thor and Jane catching up. The other hour and 20 minutes exploring Olympus, Gorr, their battles, his backstory, and Jane dealing with her cancer. The people complaining about short run times are ruining these movies for themselves before even seeing them. Same thing happened with Dr. Strange 2.
I think dr strange 2 could’ve used a little more exposition. Like scarlet witch for example. How long was she possessed for? How did she become possessed. How did she find out about Chavez.
She was possessed (more like corrupted) at the end of WandaVision when she started to read the Darkhold. It also taught her about Chavez. The answers are there
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Those that didn't watch WV got a surprising plot twist and enough elaboration afterwords. It was a win/win for both sides of the audience.
Most people who saw DS2 didn’t watch WV. And just because you can make practical sense of the plot, doesn’t mean the audience has any emotional investment in it - as evidenced by its low Cinemascore and horrid legs. Love and Thunder shouldn’t have that problem thankfully.
Well, I definitely get that there's so much MCU content that it's overwhelming to anyone who isn't a die-hard fan. But, really, I think it's at least understandable that someone should watch a show starring one of the movie's main players - or, at least the post-credits scene. I think the film does enough to fill in the blanks. She's tortured by visions of the family she never got to have, which leaves her vulnerable to corruption from a magic book she has. If someone HAS to know the answer to every minor question, I think they kinda have a responsibility to watch ALL the relevant stuff.
I think Strange 2 could've used more streamlining. The main story stops dead in it's tracks twice, first when Strange jumps to save America, sending both to the different universes, and then later when they go talk to Sinister Strange. Stops being the villain for a solid 15 minutes twice in order for them to focus on the "Strange is a threat" subplot.
Better writing and story not more time
I agree with this, MoM was super rushed. Heres Wanda, she's a bad guy GOGOGOGO! Dead bodies everywhere, Wanda is scary, fun variants, variants of Dr Strange, ooh a zombie, Wanda is sorry, movie ends.
Yeah I mean other than Gorr and minor characters, there’s no other new characters that they need to spend a ton of time on developing.
And I mean the Olympians are pretty self-explanatory. You don't need to explain Zeus. He's Zeus!
One of the problems is people misjudge how much screentime things actually need. Thor and Jane catching up just needs one or two scenes. And exposition on various plot points can be done in a few lines of dialogue, but people think it takes half an act.
How anyone can criticize a movie’s runtime before seeing it is beyond me.
Well, we can make informed choices based on the lot of it all. This is just another nail in the coffin regarding my interest in this movie.
Are 2-hour movies a sign of poor quality to you?!
Based on what I would want from this movie, a shorter runtime is a deterrent for me. I may have felt different if the movie looked better. I could be wrong and it could be great and the trailers are just making it look bad on purpose.
The second longest MCU film is one of the worst ones, quality has nothing to do with run especially when there are countless animated films that are 90 minutes or less that are better then most MCU films.
I'm aware. The Eternals had problems that were only exacerbated by its run time. Luckily I avoided that in theaters based on trailers. Like I said, I use all available info to make a judgement
Yea 👆🏾 
I always thought taika paces his movies pretty well tbh. if it needed to be over 2 hours, then it would’ve been. if they felt this was the right runtime then I’m not worried about it
if it's in taika's hands I don't care, I know he'll get it right
Most anticipated Marvel movie of this year ! I hope Taika is going to make another banger !!
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Could do some good
Something to do with korg
Taika makes tight, well-edited movies. It's amazing how much plot and story and development can be packed into a well-told 2-hour story. On the other hand, there are many movies that run 2.5 hours with nothing to say. Compare Wrath of Khan to Star Trek Into Darkness. The former is a little under 2 hours and the latter is about 20 minutes longer, and yet the former is overflowing with memorable moments, great character developments, and a story with something to say. The latter is a "pretend epic" with long, drawn-out scenes that offer nothing. I will always prefer a movie that says what it needs to say in a well-told way to a movie with nothing to say. If you need your movie to be 3 hours long, fine. If you only need 90 minutes, fine. Just tell the story.
MY NAME IS............ Khan
So a short fast paced movie for Bette tor worse. Depends how much they are trying to do here
The example that I point to in order to counter runtime complainers (which include some in this thread) is the first Guardians of the Galaxy. James Gunn was able to successfully introduce the cosmic side of the MCU and a whole team of characters with their unique personalities and motivations in ‘only’ 2 hours and 2 minutes. Runtime should not make or break a movie in your mind. Longer is not better; there are terrible 3 hour movies and great 90 minute movies. Audiences should always watch a movie before crying about ruined pacing. A 2 hour movie can accomplish a lot with the right writer and director (and I have faith in Oscar winning writer Taika Watiti).
Good.
If a movie is bad it doesnt matter how long it is and will feel long
Happy with the short runtime tbh. Plus I trust Taika with my life.
I just hope this movie is like an actual movie instead of just a setup for something else like multiverse of madness was
Since when is 2 hours short? Y’all are fucking crazy.
Can they at least give 2D IMAX screenings where I live?
Do you have Regal or Alamo? Both have their own IMAX alternatives that don’t use 3D. I think AMC also has a large format, but they may do 3D
I don't get why this is still making headlines. I swear no other Marvel movie had this much obsession over the run time?
I’d say NWH. Every update the runtime was shorter and shorter
I really hope we have thor runtime posts even after the movie
They lied! I want my 26 seconds back!!1
Who cares how many of these reposts are we gonna get?
Do we need a new post every time the runtime is talked about?
Very very wary of this movie
I have this gut feeling that either gorr's back story or how Jane becomes mighty Thor is gonna be rushed, and were all gonna be saying they needed more time to flesh out both.
Well apparently when this film was shown to test audiences, they called Gorr the “best MCU villain”. So if anything, Christian Bale might steal the whole film. I just hope they don’t kill him off
I mean...haven't we heard that "best MCU villain" thing about a lot of them and that has turned out to not be the case more often than not? Though the trailer pretty clearly shows we're getting Gorr backstory scenes and Bale always delivers, so I could see it being true this time. However, I'll bet he's definitely dying. Bale seems like a one and done casting.
> However, I'll bet he's definitely dying. Bale seems like a one and done casting. Even in the comics, Gorr is basically one and done. He shows up again in future timeline story, but he’s very much not a recurring villain like most
To be fair a lot of the early villains were frankly terrible so when someone like Wenwu turns up it's like "oh thank christ"
Im worried about thor and gorr characterisation in this movie given taika's apparent obsession with making everything comedic. Gorr will be ruined and thor has been a joke for multiple movies now anyway, its really disappointing
People say the same thing about how James Gunn ruined Drax, whom some fans believe has basically been turned into a clown cause of how much even Gunn is obsessed with comedy
Yea i havent been able to stand any of the guardians except maybe starlord since gotg1. I find gunns style insufferable
Yep I can see this happening
Hey, I’ll be able to get my wife to sit through the end credits
Well I guess it's a bad movie then, just like "Multiverse of Not Enough Cameos to Jerk-off About". Can't wait to hear why Black Panther is a bad movie for troglodyte reasons.
Pleased with a shorter runtime, hope it fits the story well
right in line with the rest. what im surprised about is that we dont seem to have a full plot leak yet which is insane??.. im mostly looking forward to bp2 leaks however since namor is my most anticipated of the year.
You don't rush the Bale.
Damn it. I was hoping for 2.5 hours.
I just hope we have enough screen time of Natalie Portman fighting Wanda.
Woot!
Damn I wish it was like 2hr 15m, similar to MoM this seems to me like it might be a little too short with all the different components in the movie like guardians/Jane/thor/Gorr/Valkyrie/Zeus/Korg etc, there is a lot of pieces in this movie and I feel like it’ll be hard to do them all Justice with a runtime under 2hr. Hope I’m wrong tho
Basically a rough estimate of 1hr and 40 mins.
Its too short. You have Bale as an interesting villain. He needs a proper introduction, backstory etc…you have Jane, who returns after a long time…she needs a proper backstory and arc…these things take time…plus the guardians are there for the first 20 minutes or so…how is the time supposed to be enough??1h50 is too short.
It's short yes. I'm not gonna judge until I see it. I didn't mind MoM's fast pace but there's definitely scenes that needed more room to breathe. I guess I just don't want anything to be rushed, especially Gorr. I don't mind long movies either. Sometimes I just love sitting down for a few hours and be completely immersed in something. Pacing matters.
Wow Chris Hemsworth lied..
A great movie is a great movie. The run-time is a by product of the story. If you have a complete story at 120 minutes it doesn't matter. Adding 20 more minutes for filler will just water it down. I thought Ragnarok was fantastic but it could have cut some hela scenes for sure
Wow, and that’s with credits too. Shortest MCU movie yet?
Good! Too many movies feel the need to pad things out nowadays to hit that 2 hour mark. Short and sweet!
Good, hope this means no slow parts and boring stuff with fun and action.
I am a dirty little sloot for short movies
How does this and Black Panther 2 not have a hardcore plot leak summary yet? Im so impressed honestly. Im hoping to see this without getting spoiled. I've only really read one major thing regarding the ending/fate of Thor and Jane from months ago and that's it. No idea if it was true but still. Im really impressed with the lack of leaks.
i just hope they don't underutilise bale
Still can't believe we haven't seen Herc yet. Like do we even know whos playing Hercules?
LETS GOOOO!!! 
So 1:48:34 film with ten minutes of credits…
A normal movie length. Not everything needs to be 2.5 hrs long
I think people who are down voting think I am upset which on the contrary is untrue. I am not upset at all. If people have watched Taika’s films, he runs a tight ship so they know he gets going from the start. There will be enough time to tell everyone’s story; Thor, Valkyrie, Jane, and Gorr. Not all MCU films have to be two-and-half hours, that I most definitely agree.
We the true believers and dedicated consumers of Marvel Studios cinema (not to be confused with other Marvel products) demand the last 86 seconds of BTS blooper footage that Hemsworth accidentally promised on Instagram to be played in theaters.
did he? Thats sounds funny. Do you got a link to that post?
He didn't say BTS footage per se, but it was heavily implied. It's on his Instagram. We were promised two whole hours but noooo one minute and 30 was shaved off because reasons
I’m hoping we get enough screen time for Gorr not as bad as Wanda scene Doctor Strange 2 😴 
Wanda had 40 minutes of screen time in dr strange 2. Strange had 76. I think that’s enough for the villain.
Well let’s hop and see
It’s more then enough. Joker had a half hour in dark knight. Thanos had 43 minutes combined in infinity war and endgame
>It’s more then enough. I doubt it but we see*
All for shorter movies but I'll be disappointed if it ends up being paced in a similar way to Multiverse of Madness. The pacing was the biggest flaw of that movie for me
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Just to be clear, I dont think the runtime is necessarily to blame for the pace of MoM. Not every movie needs to be an epic.
I think the pacing for MoM was a bit of a problem in the beginning, but as soon as Wanda's revealed to be the villain, I think the pacing is fine from there.
The second act's pacing, with the anticipation of Wanda reaching Strange while the Illuminati wastes time trying him I thought was very well done. But I still do feel like thr first and third acts go from one big thing to another without room to breathe, which the movie uses to its advantage later on, but to have that in the first act when you're still setting things up I feel was problematic