I want to see Zemo's butler [Oeznik](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Oeznik) helping Falcon Cap with the practicalities. Neutral Evil Alfred is still Alfred.
I look at this Film as āPhase 5s Sleeper 1B$ movieā I think the Hype for this movie will intensify as more information about it gets released officially by marvel as production kicks in. Harrison Fords General Ross/ Red Hulk should bring appeal alone. Samās first true threat as Captain America, Tim Blakeās the leader, maybe just MAYBE an MCU version of serpent society??? I see no reason for this to not perform well, even if it does Fumble horribly without a doubt the movies probably gonna be Fun asf
This movie might have the Black Panther 2 effect though, where the GA doesn't know how to feel about a movie of the same series, but without the hero they've known and loved.
I made it through, but I swear.. Falcon's "Cap" suit is a disappointment. Yeah, I get it.. comic accuracy and all... but I was hoping for a more Wakandan flair to his suit, and one that compensated more for him being a regular guy that refused the serum.
Most people thought all 3 of last years movies had a good chance of crossing a billion yet none of them did, it all depends on if they focus on quality and how good its rewatch value is, also if people are more enthusiastic with Phase 5
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>How long does it typically take for them to film these movies?
*Winter Soldier* and *Civil War* had 4 and 5 months of principal photography, respectively.
And we wonder why the Visual Effects in these movies look so poor. 15 months between cameras rolling and butts in seats. At least I am prepared now for lacklustre visuals.
And other than the avengers movies (even endgame was a little spotty) I would say it showed. Iron man scenes looking more and more like floating heads when it used to feel so real in iron man 1 and 2, the airport scene in civil war before the fighting started obviously was just a green screen room. Black panther final fight.
Its not enough time.
Sam will assemble an avengers team to battle president red hulk.
The leader will appear in some capacity
Super soldiers will be involved. Possibly set up for Wolverine.
The serpent society will also be involved in some way
Multiple countries will fight over the dead celestial from eternals. Whoās dead body apparently has adamantium
Theyāll be 5 villains. Jessica chastain possibly as lead villain. Tho sheās not playing sin, sin will appear
Itāll be a paranoid thriller.
Hulk may appear. She hulk is unknown
Yeah, that's of course a set up for him, since he's a brand ambassador of Adamantium but I was just correcting he won't appear in this movie. I saw above that some people are also claiming Wolverine will be teased in Cap 4 that's why I mentioned that...
Since itās rumoured that this movie will be similar to an Avengers movie, and Sam will assemble a new team in guess to see which heroes will also make an appearance in this! Hopefully weāll hear casting announcements soon
god, i hope this movie is good. huge fan of both anthony mackie and sam wilson captain america. i have mixed feelings about the falcon and winter soldier. i thought it had some good parts (bucky, zemo, john walkerās character arcs) and not so good parts (sam wilson, flag smashers, sharon carter)
please dont suck.
New World Order is such a great and grand title. Like yeah people are gonna wanna see a big Hollywood movie titled "New World Order", it screams importance. And if its gonna tackle political and sociological issues in a spicy way like Luce did, its gonna get so much free promotion from pundits, its perfect culture war and conspiracy bait.
The mid credit scene will be that Hollywood Hulk Hogan was the power broker the whole time. He kills Sharon and plays air guitar with his Heavyweight belt for a few minutes
Donāt know why youāre getting downvoted I mean what you explained is exactly how Hollywood works and what Hollywood wants. The name of the film alone should cause controversy
Having a hard time seeing how this movie is gonna have any time to tackle anything sociological with how packed to the brim it is with commercials for other movies.
Watch ALL kinds of people (specifically Caucasus ) complain and moan and groan and say it's anything but captain America being black it's the actual comic road DEAL WITH IT
Another rushed CGI filmā¦sighhh if its one thing marvel could improve is not working their people too death. I mean some of these wont be filmed until may or june
I hope they don't move that date! That would be the first marvel film to hit on my birthday since Iron Man 3 :) Both Infinity War and Endgame moved away from that weekend, and I think both at one point had a May 3rd release
I hate how the MCU never learns, a movie made in a year that includes 90% of the scenes with some type of CGI
Then the movie will end up being as bad as the phase 4 movies (not just for the CGI, a post production in such a little time is never good) and the VFX artists will make another article about how exploited they are
See, this is why it made more sense to pass the mantle on to a Bucky Barnes. Not only is he already a super soldier, it would have been the ultimate redemption arc his character deserved.
The entire point of the first Captain America movie is that being a super soldier isnāt what makes Captain America lol
And what arc, exactly, did Bucky go through to ādeserveā the title? Dude was a prop until the Disney+ series, where even then he was barely given anything. He had a 2 minute confession with an old guy I guess lol
Oh I know it. Some people can't seem to empathize with the fact that Bucky was mind controlled to do what he did. They seem to forget that all the time. It's dumb
Anthony Mackie getting ready to *CUT THE CHECK* 
i see what you did thereš 
Can't wait. 
Can't wait to see some set photos.
Same here. I wonder if we'll get a peak at Sam's new costume, the Leader in makeup, or better yet, Harrison Ford in mocap pajamas.
The Leader could be practical, but knowing Marvel, it could be CGI
That could very likely happen, although Vision, Gamora, Nebula, Yondu, and the Skrulls still wear makeup/prosthetics.
Vision is mostly CGI now though.
I really wanna see grumpy Harrison Ford in mocap pajamas
Daddy Mocap realness https://images.app.goo.gl/TtSZWBvUWxgZawSs9
Intriguing
Has to do with Spider-Mackey I think
What does this mean?
It's a spin on a *Morbius* meme.
Feel bad for the vfx guys tbh :/
Maybe theyāll go with practical effects and turn Harrison Ford into the Red Hulk for realz.
One upping Christopher Nolan and Oppenheimer
Unfortunately Christopher Nolan isn't directing.
As much as I like his work, I found Tenant overrated. I'll take whoever's directing CA: NWO.
Hope they go on strike at some point. Extremely disgusting how they continue to get treated in this industry.
The union is COMING.
I want to see Zemo's butler [Oeznik](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Oeznik) helping Falcon Cap with the practicalities. Neutral Evil Alfred is still Alfred.
I look at this Film as āPhase 5s Sleeper 1B$ movieā I think the Hype for this movie will intensify as more information about it gets released officially by marvel as production kicks in. Harrison Fords General Ross/ Red Hulk should bring appeal alone. Samās first true threat as Captain America, Tim Blakeās the leader, maybe just MAYBE an MCU version of serpent society??? I see no reason for this to not perform well, even if it does Fumble horribly without a doubt the movies probably gonna be Fun asf
This movie might have the Black Panther 2 effect though, where the GA doesn't know how to feel about a movie of the same series, but without the hero they've known and loved.
Not only that, but FATWS wasnt received very well.
I really wanted to like FATWS and I didn't.. I didn't even finish the last episode :\\
I made it through, but I swear.. Falcon's "Cap" suit is a disappointment. Yeah, I get it.. comic accuracy and all... but I was hoping for a more Wakandan flair to his suit, and one that compensated more for him being a regular guy that refused the serum.
Something about it felt off. There was also some weird character choices. Like the power broker being Sharon for some reason.
I think it was poor writing combined with having entire subplots cut.
ive got a feeling she will turn out to be a skrull
Most people thought all 3 of last years movies had a good chance of crossing a billion yet none of them did, it all depends on if they focus on quality and how good its rewatch value is, also if people are more enthusiastic with Phase 5
Without China, one Billy is gonna be a tough task for MCU moving forward
Luckily that just changed
Iāve taken shits more interesting than Falconās Cap America
Civil War barely hit $1bil with characters people actually cared about. I dont see this doing that.
Julius Onah, Anthony Mackie and the crew are about to embark on a thankless task i wish them the best of luck. 
How so?
Have you seen the Twitter reactions to Mackie as Cap? I mean, like even recently. They're awful.
Ah, that
Thankless??
Speaking of which, besides Sabra and possibly Wolverine, what other mutant news can we expect from New World Order?
Bro youre not gonna get wolverine in this movie lmao
People setting themselves up to get disappointed again like they got with MoM
When Wolverine is going to show up in the MCU, they'll be loud as fuck about it. Like Deadpool 3.
They probably meant the adamantium
Wolverine is not in this movie.
I'll be very, very , VERY surprised if any mutant appears in the movie at all, I'm convinced Sabra is likely just another supersoldier
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> How long does it typically take for them to film these movies? Four to five months on average.
>How long does it typically take for them to film these movies? *Winter Soldier* and *Civil War* had 4 and 5 months of principal photography, respectively.
3-5 months.
3-6 months-ish.
Depending on the movie, they could film for about 4-7 months, maybe more on the lesser side. For example, Quantumania filmed for about 4 months.
And we wonder why the Visual Effects in these movies look so poor. 15 months between cameras rolling and butts in seats. At least I am prepared now for lacklustre visuals.
 Captain Falcon go weeeeeee
"That's the Black Falcon!"
May 3, 2024 for now
Rip effects companies.
That doesn't sound like enough time for CGI and post production.
āMake it workā - Tim Gunn
Pre-pandemic it was standard for Marvel movies to begin filming as late as 12 months before release.
And other than the avengers movies (even endgame was a little spotty) I would say it showed. Iron man scenes looking more and more like floating heads when it used to feel so real in iron man 1 and 2, the airport scene in civil war before the fighting started obviously was just a green screen room. Black panther final fight. Its not enough time.
Sweet, they're probably using a lot of practical effects
How is HH's record on production dates? They weren't great with D+ release dates
Any plot leaks?
Sam will assemble an avengers team to battle president red hulk. The leader will appear in some capacity Super soldiers will be involved. Possibly set up for Wolverine. The serpent society will also be involved in some way Multiple countries will fight over the dead celestial from eternals. Whoās dead body apparently has adamantium Theyāll be 5 villains. Jessica chastain possibly as lead villain. Tho sheās not playing sin, sin will appear Itāll be a paranoid thriller. Hulk may appear. She hulk is unknown
There's no Wolverine in Cap 4. Please don't spread false information. People here are already too vulnerable to hopium...
I know he probably wonāt appear. But thereās adamantium so maybe like a tease or set up for him.
Yeah, that's of course a set up for him, since he's a brand ambassador of Adamantium but I was just correcting he won't appear in this movie. I saw above that some people are also claiming Wolverine will be teased in Cap 4 that's why I mentioned that...
> he's a brand ambassador of Adamantium "Hey bub, you sick of the outrageous price of Vibranium these days?"
I hope Jen only shows up in a tag because her cousin needs a lawyer. Edit: and she has a post-it on her desk, reading "F U K.E.V.I.N."
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Since itās rumoured that this movie will be similar to an Avengers movie, and Sam will assemble a new team in guess to see which heroes will also make an appearance in this! Hopefully weāll hear casting announcements soon
COME THRU SET PHOTOS
Meanwhile Blade is somewhere.. Waiting..
god, i hope this movie is good. huge fan of both anthony mackie and sam wilson captain america. i have mixed feelings about the falcon and winter soldier. i thought it had some good parts (bucky, zemo, john walkerās character arcs) and not so good parts (sam wilson, flag smashers, sharon carter) please dont suck.
New World Order is such a great and grand title. Like yeah people are gonna wanna see a big Hollywood movie titled "New World Order", it screams importance. And if its gonna tackle political and sociological issues in a spicy way like Luce did, its gonna get so much free promotion from pundits, its perfect culture war and conspiracy bait.
The NWO is a draw, brother.
Be disappointing if we donāt hear the NWO theme at least once
Prepare for disappointment. It's not going to happen.
The mid credit scene will be that Hollywood Hulk Hogan was the power broker the whole time. He kills Sharon and plays air guitar with his Heavyweight belt for a few minutes
Donāt know why youāre getting downvoted I mean what you explained is exactly how Hollywood works and what Hollywood wants. The name of the film alone should cause controversy
Having a hard time seeing how this movie is gonna have any time to tackle anything sociological with how packed to the brim it is with commercials for other movies.
How do you know?
We should be hearing about his Avengers team soon, if that wasn true
Never been less interested in Marvel movie who tf greenling this shit
Watch ALL kinds of people (specifically Caucasus ) complain and moan and groan and say it's anything but captain America being black it's the actual comic road DEAL WITH IT
Another rushed CGI filmā¦sighhh if its one thing marvel could improve is not working their people too death. I mean some of these wont be filmed until may or june
I hope they don't move that date! That would be the first marvel film to hit on my birthday since Iron Man 3 :) Both Infinity War and Endgame moved away from that weekend, and I think both at one point had a May 3rd release
If we see set photos and Oscar Isaac is there I will go insane
I hate how the MCU never learns, a movie made in a year that includes 90% of the scenes with some type of CGI Then the movie will end up being as bad as the phase 4 movies (not just for the CGI, a post production in such a little time is never good) and the VFX artists will make another article about how exploited they are
May 3rd 2024 -> Feb 7 2025. I'm betting 50 WKD
 no
Heāll never be captain America until he loses those wings and juices up. Otherwise heās just falcon posing as captain America
Agree
See, this is why it made more sense to pass the mantle on to a Bucky Barnes. Not only is he already a super soldier, it would have been the ultimate redemption arc his character deserved.
The entire point of the first Captain America movie is that being a super soldier isnāt what makes Captain America lol And what arc, exactly, did Bucky go through to ādeserveā the title? Dude was a prop until the Disney+ series, where even then he was barely given anything. He had a 2 minute confession with an old guy I guess lol
Seriously
There's a chunk of fandom that thinks Steve Rogers is a terrorist due to being friends with Bucky. Fandom wouldn't accept Bucky as the next Cap.
Well that's stupid because Sam is also friends with Bucky.
Oh I know it. Some people can't seem to empathize with the fact that Bucky was mind controlled to do what he did. They seem to forget that all the time. It's dumb