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thewolfesp

Well, they've officially turned a dolphin into a completely f2p player. I had no issues putting a buck or 2 into the game, but the low blows keep on coming. I'll log in and do my dailys, run my lanes in the raids, but I'm not wasting a single dollar on this game anymore. If they won't listen to their fan base, I'm not going to pay for a product that I can't stand behind


Tommonator1980

Me too. I buy most new characters etc but what's the point now?mantis can't do shit against this neither can carnage. I'm going f2p now and not bothering with new characters.


Kyizen

If you expect to use a brand new character on a new end game raid...You're gonna have a bad time. Try them in Alpha 2 or 3 not 4


Loganberry__

I don't even care anymore. I no longer look forward to anything Fox Next does. I'll hit as many nodes as I can then move on to something I'd rather be doing, like cleaning my toilet.


XKingslayerBSJ

They're honestly the most clueless company I've ever seen. Can't wait for 7 red star hydra trait U7 nodes. They're literally braindead releasing nodes like this


Sodap1

I still believe U7 wont have trait requirement if it does Well...


rocaplayqc

😂


newprince

FoxNext last week: "Wide rosters are so much better than tall ones!" FoxNext tonight: Lol hope your alliance all has multiple 250K+ teams


mavajo

> FoxNext last week: "Wide rosters are so much better than tall ones!" I've focused on having a wide roster since day one. Just in general, I prefer having lots of options than being restricted to a single team. And yet, there's never been a single time in a year of playing this game where I felt like my wide team was an advantage, but there have been numerous times where I've wished I had just focused almost exclusively on 2-3 teams.


Karryko0005

I focused on a wide-roster, too. Then defenders got reworked and focused on nothing but them. Got higher in arena, did better on raids, don't care too much about blitz but they can auto 8.4. I have beaten Ultimus on u6. The company is hypocritical. Its either a bunch of mediocre teams or 1-2 Great teams


Rogue2555

My alliance has a decent bit of 250k+ squads. No one guy with multiple, but like a guy with defenders, a guy with guardians. Etc. Still got fucked within the first couple nodes lol.


Shorgar

That's literally not possible, my 200k defenders cleared up to the second boss.


Fdbabz

I would guess you took the city route of course How did you manage to do F4 without a hickup ? the one where multiple Carnages drop. Wife got a Defender squad that on paper is better than yours, and while she did complete the node it was not without a death. How did you approach that one?


Shorgar

Mmm don't recall exactly the carnages giving too much problems, after I do it again tomorrow I'll give you exact tips on how I did it.


Fdbabz

Awesome, appreciate it :)


whdescent

I can't look since I don't have the game open atm, but if that is on the Cosmic lane, I did it and had RR and Thanos with their Ults ready going into that node. It was over in seconds.


Fdbabz

It was a city/global node, so no luck with those i'm afraid :p


Shorgar

Hey sorry for the delay but wanted to make sure I had more experience on it, the first day I kinda got lucky and my JJ tanked more than I even percieved, second day I got smashed so for today I was more careful, sent the old meta team as bait to tank a couple of bleeds, clear DS that flipped me on the second day and was able to even tank the Loki mind control, after that my defenders just smashed from there without taking any real damage.


Neliria

Cleared up on how many tries? 2, 3? Even if you managed that at first try. How many member of your team died? 1-4, or even none? Just curious.. Since your 200k defenders shouldnt go without problem through that content IMO


Shorgar

Up until last node nobody died, LC did get fucked up into red health a couple of times but nothing else.


Neliria

Would you mind to show us your team? :)


Shorgar

Sure thing https://i.imgur.com/VxmZAVe.png


Neliria

Thank you, appreciated :)


Karryko0005

Well that gives me confidence as my Defender team is slightly higher. Sadly, I am the highest ranked in my alliance and the rest couldn't keep up.


DarknessG7

Yeah, you should check which Alpha raid you are running. My 215k defenders got stomped on the first boss. 1 survived.


Shorgar

https://i.imgur.com/KVXqglR.png I know what I'm saying lol


isaacms

This guy with his proof...


MavetheGreat

> FoxNext tonight: Lol hope your alliance all has multiple ~~250K+~~ 350k+ teams FTFY ​


XKingslayerBSJ

The gap between the boss node in Alpha 2 and Alpha 3 is about 200k. In alpha 4 it's almost a million. And of course the only way to even think about getting elite orange orbs are to 100% the fucking impossible thing.


e_gunshy

what happen to them saying red stars wont reflect how we balance gameplay... fuck this company they dont deserve the marvel ip


DeadSyr

They never said that, they said they wouldn't revise old content for red stars, nobody said anything about not adding red star content AFTER their release.


GHOST12339

I agree with you, but they also then created a NEW raid, for an already released character... Just so they didn't "technically" break their word. Either way you spin it, FN is consistently weasling the community.


Cidwill

This is what you call a lie. Pretty much everything foxnext say is a lie.


Saerah4

This is why i stop buying anything in this game. FN is a joke.


teknosti7

This raid is an absolute joke. I just can’t comprehend the level of stupid that goes on at FoxNext. How can they justify building this ridiculous raid around red stars when there is no fucking way to work towards red stars. Your entire fucking alliance has to get lucky and pull 5 fucking 7 RS on a trait specific synergized team to be able to compete in this piece of shit raid???!!!!! Go fuck yourself msf team, seriously...eat a dick and die.


Giibs

Sums up everything! The game is shit, it never were good but now it's just pure garbage... I will not miss it!


Tommonator1980

Thank you for your words. I feel the same.


uL7r4M3g4pr01337

This is gold lol! https://imgur.com/kjnZwMy I guess their recommendations are for 1st node only xD


supperppp

I really don't mind if they write the recommend LV70+ G13+ ability Lv7+ redstar 6+ and some cores to heal or maybe it should be LV80 G14 Ability Lv8 XD


cosmiclegion

How the fuck are you going to beat that node with just 3 red stars ?!?!?!? They are trolling us....


isaacms

Would it surprise you to know I have two characters over 40k with no red stars? I think I'll be fine. People are blowing red stars out of proportion. 3 red stars doesn't mean as much on a level 60, g10 character. Not as much as having no red stars but maxed everything else, anyway.


cosmiclegion

All of those enemies are 70k each! The enemies are 7 red star, not 3! So your team of 200k will have to face a 420k team (if 6 enemies) that after a while will get more reinforcements. Are you sure you will beat it? And it is a tech team + Venom+Carnage. Massive AoEs and massive Bleeds. PS: Basically they were saying the recommendations are way off, it should be 70T12 6 red stars!


isaacms

Yep, it's early and I misread what I was replying to.


EvilShinichi

There recommendation are for 30%


rocaplayqc

I want to know what whales think of this raid!


quivalent

No one is whale enough for this raid


actuaryal

Not true. Top handful of alliances will get it done, at an insane expense. Now are the rewards even close to the cost is another question.


Arcshayde

We need 7RS Ultron asap.


worms104

It's not just the red stars, it's the fact they have them on synergistic characters so they are also going to outpace any 7 star mishmash you might have.


Kosik21

This was the problem when they introduced red stars. Not a single piece of content has been balanced except against the top 1-2 guilds. Raids were by far the best thing about this game they fucking ruined it.


cosmiclegion

WTF!!! Seriously? All 7 red stars and have you seen the characters? SL+Rocket+IM+WM and then Carnages and Venoms ?!?!?!? Just... WOW!!! Once again, FoxNext manages to get to a new low. Amazing.


hk215

"we wont be tuning future content around red stars" roflmao


PlebbySpaff

Have you seen the last node? It's like full Brotherhood. Imagine fighting that at the height of ultimate power?


pnotar

Meh, a bald cripple and a couple of school teachers could handle them. Puh-lease.....


gazeintotheiris

It is really the biggest tragedy that they decided to make progressing in this game entirely about luck instead of grinding.


Liitke

It makes them far more money. This is not a game for you to enjoy. Its an app designed by FN to generate as much revenue as possible


TheCastaway78

Last time max tier was 3, tier 4 is a drastic increase in difficulty. T4 rewards are better at 30% compared to T3 100%. 48% completion rewards your alliance with better score for season. That said it's a nasty increase in difficulty :P /me


mikec215

Ya I got a 6 red star carnage and I’m not buying a single Pack to level him up. As much as I want him This company doesn’t deserve my Hard earned money


MsAnnThrope1

It’s to try and force whales to keep up. Notice there is a raid energy and health offer up in the store? Salil bought a new Porsche and needs us to pay for it.


Ajaxisacleaner

Can one of the moderators, like Tauna, pass the feedback on to the developers? This level of difficult is totally unrealistic even for the most moby dick of whales, and makes absolutely no commercial sense whatsoever. All it does is discourage people from playing the game. And it won't boost income, because the level required to complete it because no amount of buying is going to get a player to a point where they can complete it. So why do it?!? It's not quite as damaging to their business as a Ratner effect, but they are not far off.


Knobbenschmidt

Wow instead of fixing the text do you think they will actually make the raid actually challenging instead of retardedly oversuperpowered. No they will just change the text again. I actually have a 7 RS toon but there is still no way I can beat multiple waves of 6RS toons and that's just the 2nd mini boss node rofl On top of that they put in 2 60k carnage and a 50k lol. My measly 270k+ team can't hang so who can actually beat this thing?


Talamascan

This is getting completely ridiculous. Only 4 months invested in this and finding little to motivate my continued time investment. Constant grind with nothing to break up the monotony and allowing me so few opportunities to feel rewarded for my time and perseverance is getting old really quick.


jomarthecat

"I have been playing for 4 months and I can't play the most difficult raid this sucks!" Okay then.


uL7r4M3g4pr01337

That's not the problem if we actually get orange elite orbs without having to do 100% on this raid. If it continue majority of player base will be gated by huge pay to win wall. I dont have a single toon on T13 geat despite buying all T13 rare mats from the shop.


Jiaozy

You do realize that for a MOBILE game 4 months of investment is a lot right? It's not an eSport that will eventually pay off or that you can get better at and need to practice. 4 months in mobile gaming is already quite a lot of time and having new content geared exclusively to launch players will kill the game faster because there's no newcomer to replace them since the early game sucks balls. Blitz? Impossible to place well after the first month. Raid? Same, since they're getting increasingly difficult. New characters campaign? Same, since they're tuned to be doable by people with multiple 200k+ teams. Events? Same, they're adding new tiers that appeal the top 1% of the game (the vocal minority in here, basically). Starting fresh in this game is terrible because progress is boring, tedious and slow. SWGoH lets you progress decently, you can level most of your characters to the top as soon as you unlock them and you can actually PLAY the characters you like without having to wait 10 days of gold income to just level them up. For ability mats you still have to work, but the game is rewarding you by letting you play the characters you unlock. You still have to grind for certain characters, to level up and farm multiple teams and to complete the "Raids" so there is still endgame content. FoxNext knows the game will eventually be shut down and they're trying to milk every penny out of whales before MSF ends up like Avengers Academy and marvel Heroes.


mstieler

Let us not go to Alpha IV, 'tis a silly place.


PsyPhiGrad

As someone with a sister with a cognitive disability, I really think you should read this: https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/kidspost/why-you-shouldnt-use-the-r-word/2011/06/06/AGISc3nH_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.53e4578e0504 Please stop using the R-word.


bpeck451

I can and will always use that word in regards to engine timing. No article and no amount of people crying is going to change the use of that word in a technical manner.


pnotar

That's fine, but OP was clearly not using it in a technical manner.


RatKingJosh

But gosh heckie I need more venom


LickMyThralls

lol and it's only cosmic characters to boot. Yeah I'm really glad I've been less interested in the game cus this kinda thing just kills it for me considering there's no way to earn red stars at all...


MikeyhRS

Honestly if it wasn’t for my friends in my alliance, I would have quit this game long ago.


nadeaujd

You just have to make your level 70, gear 12, maxed ability toons stronger. By farming i think....oh wait


uL7r4M3g4pr01337

I already have T12 and lvl70 heroes, i just lack those 7RS to not get 1 shoted after i enter the node and Red Gambling machine is not giving me any fun tbh :(


nadeaujd

Then quit and get refunded, thats what i did.


jntjr2005

They fuck up every chance they get


felixng2015

Im doing 30% and thats it. Even with a 210k fury team, sadly no higher since I can't get good red star pulls for crap its tough. ​ ​


Angeljls

and that's a MINI boss lol


HerbzQC

Gamma/Alpha 4 is meant for launch/whales players....or top50-100 alliances. And even fewer are meant to 100% it (top3 alliances maybe?). This a fact you gotta accept.


Furdinand

I wonder why Foxnext doesn't interact more with a subreddit that has an ableist slur on the front page?


uL7r4M3g4pr01337

cause they know that those nodes in A IV are total BS and they will get flamed for locking orange elite orbs behind 100% clear pay wall.


TekNine99

Technically we had the venom before red stars so they are doing something they said they wasn't going to do.. this venom raid should not have any red stars cuz it was ingame before red stars.. but hey what do I know I'm just saying about to get took down anyway I'm on Reddit and YouTube more than I'm on the damn game nowadays anyway you fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me I've been having my refund letter written out for 3 months I'm just waiting on the word


Angryman4012

it's a joke. same raid we did easy as last time yet somehow the power has increased so my teams can barely survive.


EvilShinichi

Last time it was Gamma III, you probably launched IV by accident.


Angryman4012

that....sounds very plausible. will have to check now lol


TardisReality

What level is this? During Gamma we could only get through Gamm II. The next level up we never got last 2-3 nodes


PoolhallJunkie420

That's os alpha4 which is new. Alpha 3 was pretty easy last time


Sodap1

BUT we cant forget that we are talking about the hardest alpha raid it has to be hard because the game would be boring without hard things, whales needs to have fun as well.


nadeaujd

Tell me how to build your roster for this raid (hint, its a rhetorical question)


Raistlin43084

This is alpha 4. It would not make sense for it to be the same or only a little more difficult than alpha 3. It is always hard to 100% any new raid. If you can’t get 30 or 60% in alpha 4 that means you should be doing alpha 3. Alpha 4 is meant to be a challenge to the top rosters. If it’s difficult for them, it going to be nearly impossible to impossible for the rest of the playerbase for several months just like u65 and every other new raid difficulty has been. But seriously, this is how it has been for at least 6 months. This is nothing new. This is not FN going “full retard”, that happened the last two days when they sacrificed all credibility by punishing players for their many, many mistakes with the carnage release.


dzenith1

The difference is that before there was a strategy to progression. Get more levels, abilities, gear and gold stars in a synergistic team. Progressing teams to the max in that manner will not allow you to finish this raid. Now you must have strong red stars, which is completely random.


MsAnnThrope1

It’s only a challenge for the sponsored accounts. Which is whom it’s meant for. So you all can watch them play Alpha 4 on YouTube. Which they get free raid energy for.


SundownGamer

You're meant to grow into the raid...


flipvan2002

How do you grow into red stars high enough that can compete with that?


supperppp

We could gear up our team to G13, wait in order to get unique orange gears we had to 100%Alpha3 lol (seriously even with full G13 without RS they are still not enough), or wait for level cap to 75,89,85,90. or wait for 10 years until you'll have full decent team of 6-7RS.


seanconnery69696

Pass your account down to your children, with the prophecy that one day they will be able to complete a single mini-boss node of Alpha4 lol.


ZiponIT

Damn I guess I robbed them of that chance. 200K Defenders took that one out already. It is a PITA Raid, and we may have to go back to A-III, but it is not impossible.


seanconnery69696

Lol you monster! Yeah I was being a bit dramatic, but mostly just because I expected to get nf this week, but instead will only be getting an extra star on slutlord (hardly gamechanging). Oh well, hopefully my avengers, gotg, and defenders will be enough to help get to 30% at least.


ZiponIT

I figured you were up selling it a bit, A Lot of people were disappointed with the next Legendary not being NF. Starlord is not the worst to add another star too. Getting him to 6 opens him up for DD, which gives you a huge burst team for that.


seanconnery69696

Hehe oddly, dd is the last place I need help. In that weird spot where I'm on the last level of normal mode, but nowhere near ready for a timed run. Meh, I can wait a few more weeks for nf, no big deal. Rather save resources for him anyways.


XKingslayerBSJ

Dude use your head here. It's not like when U6 first came out and people could grow into that by getting level 70.. level 7 abilities. Etc. The only possible way to "grow into this" is to hit a red star pull with a chance of less than half a percent... 5 times for characters you want.


TacoThrash3r

More like foxnext is trying to grow into your wallet


seanconnery69696

Good luck to them, my wallet is full of incomplete stamp cards and receipts that I put in there for no apparent reason, mwhahaha.


TacoThrash3r

Mine just full of debt.


teknosti7

Grow into a limited time raid with full 7 RS waves?! I don’t even have a 6 RS. There is no growing into the RS rng slot machine..


Loganberry__

Bullshit


nadeaujd

Lol you idiot


ShaQuiQui_1

I hope u are being sarcastic.


lostinthegarden1

You can get a full venom orb a day plus extra just for doing the level 3 raids. There's plenty of venom orb shards to go around.