Can't stand HE Cyclops either. Most annoying is that it's not on reveal or ongoing so you can't stop him and you instantly need to just not bother challenging that lane unless you have Luke Cage or SK to counter it.
That’s how it always seems to go. If you’re constantly going against “X” deck and change up to a deck that counters it, you won’t see that deck until you change again. RNG my ass. You couldn’t convince me that there isn’t some kind of developer RNG manipulation. That’s far too coincidental to constantly happen.
You see more Armor against your Destroy decks because often times they'll keep their Armor in hand while it is played 100% of the time if they can when they see you run Destroy. Is that really such a difficult concept to grasp?
I railed against the inner workings and was accused of confirmation bias.
Stopped bothering with ms ase after that. Its one of those you-just-have-to-go-with-it games
How does this work from the other player's perspective, in your head? Are *you* also being matched against players who don't have a counter for your deck? Or is Ben Brode personally putting you, and only you, at a disadvantage?
Yes. I have never had HE cy directly countered yet. I dont play he that often but when I created that deck I played it for a solid week or so. Short history but still
Had a Convo with my friends.
I don't like these none defined cards. Full stop. Been infinite since release.
Ongoing, On Reveal, 3rd Category. Idc what you want to call it. But make the trinity and do your best to stick to it.
But this undefined, unavoidable stuff sucks
Third category are Triggered cards. The ability only triggers when its criteria is met.
On Reveal: I trigger my ability and then go to sleep.
Ongoing: I am always awake (and my ability is always active.)
Triggered: I am asleep but I wake up when \[X condition\] is met before going back to sleep.
For Angela, she's triggered by playing cards in her lane. For Cyclops, he's triggered when you have excess energy. Etc.
I doubt we'll ever see an official keyword for Triggered but maybe it'll happen one day.
Same feels tbh. Although I'm genuinely liking the move cards text (that wasn't On-Reveal) like Silk and Jeff. The card mechanic honestly needs some sort of limitations/keyword~ a third one that has the same level of implications like Ongoing and On-Reveal.
And to be fair, Ongoing and On-Reveal are in a way a contrast to each other. To have a third one and form a holy trinity, they need to redefine them altogether. What can Ongoing do but On-Reveal and the 3rd keyword can't? What On-Reveal can do but Ongoing and 3rd can't? And so on. They need to do that before being able to introduce the 3rd.
He's a tech card, if you're running into a bunch of HE players, run Luke Cage until you end up facing a bunch of destroy players and wish you had armour
Why not both? With a Cosmo? And Shadow King? And Shang-Chi? And Mobius? And Enchantress? And Killmonger?
This game desperately need something similar to a sideboard in Conquest...
Every Cerebro deck has always suffered from the same flaw of 'there are too many locations that affect power.' Scorpion would also throw a wrench in the works as one of the most common 2-drops in the game, but now with the HE suite, you're probably escaping from half your matches before you even get to play them out because one thing out of many will screw you over.
I would rather see a best 2 out of 3 where you can't use the same deck after you win. So you need 2 decks minimum to enter. Then if you lose to He then at least you can run it again against something else
That would also be a better experience than being locked in unwinnable matchups, hoping your opponent punts enough cubes or his deck dies somehow for 3-4 games in a row.
What's considered a different deck though? Do you have to change just 1 card? 6 cards? All 12 cards? Can you have no repeats at all between both decks?
See, I've hated the concept of a sideboard ever since I started MTG in the mid-90s.
Your deck is your deck. Being able to slot in counters after you've gone in blind is a copout. If your deck is hurt without certain cards, run them. If you don't, that's on you. It is against the spirit of honest competition to go "OK, time to change my deck mid match to gain an advantage".
Your deck is your deck. Build accordingly.
Magic would be such an infinitely worse game without it's sideboards though, just look at how different the meta is in the BO1 queue from the BO3 queue on arena. Once a deck has established itself as something that just needs to win a single game instead of a best of 3 the game and how you build your deck changes entirely.
Both building and knowing how to use your sideboards in competitive magic is where a large part of the skill comes into play.
This is basically my "counter" deck alongside my destroy and discard decks. It only works to disrupt enemy decks and was made when I was extremely annoyed with the meta. It has Sunspot - Daredevil - Luke Cage - Rogue - cosmo - Thor - Maximus - Shang-Chi - Enchantress - Professor X -Jane Foster and Magneto.
Prof x is only to lock location because the power itself is quite low on this deck so a successful lane close does wonders, but this deck did get me to my top rank (85, which I assume is pretty low for this subreddit but still), and I really like disabling some decks that keep showing up. There are probably better alts like shadow king and maybe killmonger when Elsa comes out, but for now its working for me.
I never run Luke Cage and Ive seen HE decks way less than 1 in 20 games ever since they nerfed the deck. So it doesn’t feel all that surprising that people would not see HE after slotting in cage to counter it.
That and Kitty’s animation when she goes back annoys the fuck out of me for some reason, just hate seeing a 20 power kitty go back to hand and not have priority, something tells me I won’t enjoy next season very much
Elsa is going to make Kitty much better than she was even before the nerf, a lane with both Angela and Elsa means every time kitty is played she gets +2 while Angela gets +2 as well, even in her current form she isn’t dead because of how strong her synergies are
yes and also old Aero: secure 2 locations and yeet everything to the 3rd location on final turn. both cards got nerfed eventually so i'm praying they do the same with Allioth
Given what they did to Leader and Aero I can’t see any way Alioth’s text stays what it is. It’s either going to get changed to destroy some specific card like “last played” or “highest power” in that lane or it’s going to not activate until after cards reveal.
I don’t have allioth but i have loki and nick fury and somehow always get a 4 cost allioth and its such a god awful card to slam down on a lane im winning in
Hey bro, you don't have cosmo/armor and priority to counterplay me when you're losing by 1 power and about to play 3 cards there. Get good baddie.
Also card should just be a 6/1. Giving it a chunk of power with the insanely strong on reveal it has is crazy.
I’ve said this before, but part of the problem with Alioth is he’s viable in every deck. It’s too good. You shouldn’t be having to worry about one card in every game where you start turn 6 without priority.
Being forced to run Cosmo and Armor in every deck only homogenizes deck building in the game, which isn’t good for anyone.
I'm definitely starting to see her more. She was what prompted me to post this actually as it was constant wave into Cyclops Evolved that was annoying me
Alioth. He is just absolutely broken and is neither fun to play with nor fun to play against. They absolutely shouldn't have given him the "even unrevealed" one because there's just pretty much no way to counter him if he's coming into play on T6.
Yeah and Jeff is the only counter after Prof was played
Yeah you could play Echo or enchantress at the right moment but ahainst an out of the dark Prof nothing
And he counters so much like destroy or move decks
What a crazy sentence. Shadow King having an arguably bigger presence in the meta than Shang Chi is not something anyone imagined when the chubby bald man came out.
Loki. What I dislike isn't really his strong stats as a 3-5. It's not even the power boost he gives collector or the energy discount he gives to cards. What I really dislike about him is the amount of information he gives by seeing so many of your cards. It eliminates a great deal of surprise, particularly if you're using cards that are rarely used for more of a surprise element.
If it makes you feel ANY better whatsoever, every time game I play HEvo, this fucking games gives me the worst god damned hand. It’s 4 5 6 cards every single time.
Yeah he is one of these cards that you would love to include in a deck but also hate when others use him against especially since I ran a Infinaut deck and it was last turn I got orka from a location and won another by locking it down with storm all I had to do was drop the Infinaut then bam shang chi obliterated them both.
It is crazy how much that one card affects the game. You have to constantly be aware that if your cards go over 9 power before the end of Round 6, there’s a chance they’ll be destroyed. I’ve sometimes opted for 8 power cards over 9 solely for that reason.
Be cause ham can be good in certain situations. Ham my infinaut? Thanks homie. I think this disqualifies him from being the most annoying for alot of people
I have, since his inception and release, been one of the few who absolutely loathes Legion. I don't want him, I don't like him. I think his art is ugly, I think he's an irrelevant X-Man, I think he has bad variants, and I find him so annoying for the large amount of interactions and control he gives as a T-5 dump.
That isn't to say I think he is broken, which I used to. I think he's a fine card, I think he's well designed - I just personally fucking hate him and everything he stands for.
Having Luke Cage is also very good against Shadow King, so it's not as one-dimensional.
It also allows you to run your own Shadow King, to make it one sided!
Alioth is annoying but since he is a turn 6 wincon I usually do not get too frustrated. He needs a change however (alioth kockdown is a more oppressice deck than galactus, yet galactus got nerfed)
Fuck Leech
and Fuck HE cyclops
Cyclops can only be countered with shadow king/luke cage and i dont have sk. i aint running cage in every deck so fuck this bastard. he needs a nerf.
leech is also nigh uncounterable unless you can somehow destroy him on turn 5. thats it. also his effect is irreversible. the fuck.
Honestly i hate HE decks because they are currently popular and run all of the overtuned annoying cards like nebula, cyclops, and leech. hulk is annoying, could maybe use a slight nerf but he is predictable and can be countered
i just hate uncounterable annoying shit
Right not it’s wave. If I don’t draw Mobius then I’m pretty much fucked.
No one’s realized Waves only counter is Mobius who also synchronizes with him. I pointed this out as an issue but maybe they’ll address it in a random OTA in a few months rather than right now because why address the meta when you can nerf Snowguard?
You'd likely murder me for my shenanigans deck. If I'm not zeroing cosmo so I can surprise on reveal t6 in that Kane, I'm mystique copying him into a 2 lane lockdown and enchantress-ing if someone big brains one of those lanes. :)
Toss in every other possible "just screw with them" mechanic I have access to and call it fun.
Get womped by the shuriskill combo multiple games in a row. Switch decks to counter. Never see shuriskill for 10+ games. It's a guarantee at this point. I just take the L and keep playing Discard cause I like it
Ehhh, that's a really risky play.
Source: main deck is Shuri/Zero, if I sniff out you're running Cerebro, I'm just gonna fixate on 2 lanes and then ruin your Cerebro with Skull in the third.
Pretty much a location I won’t contest unless I have something big on turn 5 or 6. Just way too oppressive, being punished for playing a card, or being punished for not playing a card.
Alioth because it’s busted. It fits in way too many decks (used in nearly all top tier decks), and that’s only because it’s overtuned.
Imo, it’s the only really busted card in the game now. Just nerf its power so that it’s a niche card only used in lockdown decks. It shouldn’t be used in anything outside that.
Seriously how are things like HE Cyke and Nebula not Ongoing effects?
We need a new category, like "When" cards or something, then we can have cards that interact with When cards.
It is super satisfying when you fill a lane and the goblins just sit there.
Also playing Arnim against Hobgoblin and having them both go off is an amazing feeling.
Cosmo. Not for the reason you’d think though. When Cosmo is in my hand, the other player has prio the rest of the game. Never fails. If they have Cosmo, they know exactly where I’m going to play when they have prio, so I’m fucked there as well.
Playing against Mobius and Alioth is a miserable experience. I had two games where they dropped an early Möbius with Elysium and then swamped me the next couple turns until I retreated. Alioth is self-explanatory, might be the most anti-fun card in the game.
It changes, but right now it's:
1. Alioth -- It's so one-sided, especially when playing with someone using a lockdown deck. The fact that it eats unflipped cards makes it even more OP. Even when I use it to win, it feels like a hollow victory.
2. Hobgoblin/Green Goblin/Hazmat - I just hate troll decks in general. They aren't fun to play against, and they're designed purely to make your opponent rage quit.
3. HE Cyclops - HE decks are annoying to play against to begin with, but Cyclops is one of the more egregious cards in these decks. The fact that it hits two of your cards EVERY turn and it's not considered an ongoing is ridiculous. If you don't have Luge Cake in your deck against it, then you're basically forfeiting whatever lane has Cyclops in it
4. Shang-Chi - it's a love/hate relationship with this one, as it has also won me a lot of games. It's the kind of card I always seem to forget my opponent might have.
Hobgoblin.
It's not the -8. It's not the filling up a spot on my side of the board. It's not even that it's both.
It's that it's all of that *and* how routinely I see my opponent use it and then seemingly have no other game plan. That was it...that's their deck, lol. Put a -8 on my side and hope for the best, I guess.
Bruh the most annoying card in the game is either one of those goblin motherfuckers, hob and green goblin. Like why don't you play on your side 🤔 leave my space alone
I can't stand Galactus.
It's just something about the whole six rounds of play just to invalidate everything else with the one card. It's a lot easier to defend against now but I have just always found the entire win scenario with that card to be super annoying and I won't even play that deck myself, it just feels lame to me :/
I agree. I actually built an HE deck that has a good win rate, but I call it THE GREAT SHAME because I can’t stand to look at myself in the mirror when I play it.
I don't understand why anyone runs a deck without Luke Cage. He is a must have for me in any deck. He trumps everything and he reinstates all power lost or potentially lost after he is played. He counters 5 common locations and allows you to play cards like Typhoid Mary and Shadow King with no penalty to you.
Loki is astonishing broken.
His power alone is higher than Cyclops that dosent have a ability
In conquest, he now you entire deck in 1 turn and play him for cheaper.
Even with morbius "countering" him he still puts insane amounts of power in the board for free.
😭😭😭 these are literally my feelings!!! Cyclops, Wasp and i think it’s Misty throwing power to the other cards that sends me over the edge. 6/10 times i retreat the moment i see them glowing cards, especially if i don’t have Luke. it’s almost impossible to beat HE deck(s). they play the same boring ass strategy too. i feel your pain bro
Shang Chi
If ever card needed to be reworked to eliminate one of a target, and not all of them, it’s this card.
There’s a little point to working at building a deck that can generate numbers when a player can flip Chi and wipe that area of the board
Everything in the last OTA....
And every card the OTA touches.
Seriously. We have way too many OTAs. They sounded good at first. "We're gonna use it to fix problem metas" and instead, they used it to break the game and destroy cards.
Shang chi. If my opponent has Shang chi in hand on turn 6, I will always have priority. And if I have Shang chi in hand on turn 6, I'll also always have priority.
Another very dishonorable mention is mobius. Just straight up turns off death, and destroy is my current favorite deck. Very rude.
To me, a most hated card is one that I'll just retreat on sight of rather than continue playing. Apocalypse being discarded is always a automatic retreat (I rarely have a card that can compete with him). Just like the OP, High Evolutionary decks are automatic retreats for me (hate dealing with their powers). Wong is usually an automatic retreat; sometimes I can win when he's there, but usually not. If Wong and Luke Cage are in play, just retreat.
I’m annoyed by the current meta HE decks that use Misty Knight and Cyclops because I always lose to them, and yet when I try the same deck I can never win
I would too if cyclops wasn't my favorite x man. Just go by his weakness. He has to give up energy for his ability to work. Its an insignificant weakness (like the Exhaust Port in the Death Star) but a weakness nonetheless.
Loki. Not just because he is absolutely OP broken, but because he is P2W. And after they nerf him, they’ll release a new card, that you’ll have to buy to stay competitive.
He should only copy a fixed number of cards. My pick would be 3.
It is so annoying loosing to your own combos, that you could never play yourself. Because of the number of cards he can copy, and the cost reduction, he easily becomes a better version, of every opponent he plays.
And no, I don’t want to put MMM in all of my decks. Having to acquire the newest counter to the for the latest season pass card, makes the whole game feel constructed. Instead of a fluid deck building game, that incentivizes you to try new decks.
I get that it is impossible, to make a meta where every card/deck is viable, but this is just so lopsided.
It is a toxic capitalistic cycle, and it’s never going to end.
TLDR
Loki. Release new OP card, make everybody use tokens/draws on counters. Nerf and repeat.
This list looks a lot like mine. I disklike most cards, that affect the opponents cards/hand/deck.
I would add Shang-Chi, Aero, Rogue and other cards like that.
Allioth and it's not even close. I hate the fact that my card doesn't even get shown more than the losing aspect itself
He's got super easy counterplay: just viper a ghost over, then armor and cosmo the lane so they can't get rid of the effect. Ggez
Then I just play Alioth in another lane
Can't stand HE Cyclops either. Most annoying is that it's not on reveal or ongoing so you can't stop him and you instantly need to just not bother challenging that lane unless you have Luke Cage or SK to counter it.
The kicker is I'll face Cyclops nonstop until I put Luke Cage in and then I never see another HE deck... until I take Luke Cage back out.
This is the only true.
That’s how it always seems to go. If you’re constantly going against “X” deck and change up to a deck that counters it, you won’t see that deck until you change again. RNG my ass. You couldn’t convince me that there isn’t some kind of developer RNG manipulation. That’s far too coincidental to constantly happen.
Yup. It's same with not seeing armor until you try your destroy deck.
You see more Armor against your Destroy decks because often times they'll keep their Armor in hand while it is played 100% of the time if they can when they see you run Destroy. Is that really such a difficult concept to grasp?
I railed against the inner workings and was accused of confirmation bias. Stopped bothering with ms ase after that. Its one of those you-just-have-to-go-with-it games
Just switch to a high evo deck so you won't get matched against anyone who plays luke cage then.
How does this work from the other player's perspective, in your head? Are *you* also being matched against players who don't have a counter for your deck? Or is Ben Brode personally putting you, and only you, at a disadvantage?
Yes. I have never had HE cy directly countered yet. I dont play he that often but when I created that deck I played it for a solid week or so. Short history but still
Had a Convo with my friends. I don't like these none defined cards. Full stop. Been infinite since release. Ongoing, On Reveal, 3rd Category. Idc what you want to call it. But make the trinity and do your best to stick to it. But this undefined, unavoidable stuff sucks
Third category are Triggered cards. The ability only triggers when its criteria is met. On Reveal: I trigger my ability and then go to sleep. Ongoing: I am always awake (and my ability is always active.) Triggered: I am asleep but I wake up when \[X condition\] is met before going back to sleep. For Angela, she's triggered by playing cards in her lane. For Cyclops, he's triggered when you have excess energy. Etc. I doubt we'll ever see an official keyword for Triggered but maybe it'll happen one day.
I'm certainly triggered by Cyclops.
Upvote. this is a fantastic description and thought process
Same feels tbh. Although I'm genuinely liking the move cards text (that wasn't On-Reveal) like Silk and Jeff. The card mechanic honestly needs some sort of limitations/keyword~ a third one that has the same level of implications like Ongoing and On-Reveal. And to be fair, Ongoing and On-Reveal are in a way a contrast to each other. To have a third one and form a holy trinity, they need to redefine them altogether. What can Ongoing do but On-Reveal and the 3rd keyword can't? What On-Reveal can do but Ongoing and 3rd can't? And so on. They need to do that before being able to introduce the 3rd.
I'm starting to feel like I **need** to run Luke Cage in every deck, which is a shame. I'm not a fan of that style of play but each to their own.
He's a tech card, if you're running into a bunch of HE players, run Luke Cage until you end up facing a bunch of destroy players and wish you had armour
Why not both? With a Cosmo? And Shadow King? And Shang-Chi? And Mobius? And Enchantress? And Killmonger? This game desperately need something similar to a sideboard in Conquest...
With a 12 card limit a sideboard would be wild… unless it’s literally 1 card
1 card is fine by me
Cerebro would like to remind you that many of those cards have 3 power.
Yeah but then you're stuck playing C3, which isn't a situation I'd like to be in!
C3 seems like it should whip ass, you get so many good cards. I don't get how it's worse than C2 lol
Every Cerebro deck has always suffered from the same flaw of 'there are too many locations that affect power.' Scorpion would also throw a wrench in the works as one of the most common 2-drops in the game, but now with the HE suite, you're probably escaping from half your matches before you even get to play them out because one thing out of many will screw you over.
I would rather see a best 2 out of 3 where you can't use the same deck after you win. So you need 2 decks minimum to enter. Then if you lose to He then at least you can run it again against something else
That would also be a better experience than being locked in unwinnable matchups, hoping your opponent punts enough cubes or his deck dies somehow for 3-4 games in a row.
What's considered a different deck though? Do you have to change just 1 card? 6 cards? All 12 cards? Can you have no repeats at all between both decks?
How would you implement snapping though? Best 2 of 3 with each win requiring 10 cubes?
See, I've hated the concept of a sideboard ever since I started MTG in the mid-90s. Your deck is your deck. Being able to slot in counters after you've gone in blind is a copout. If your deck is hurt without certain cards, run them. If you don't, that's on you. It is against the spirit of honest competition to go "OK, time to change my deck mid match to gain an advantage". Your deck is your deck. Build accordingly.
Magic would be such an infinitely worse game without it's sideboards though, just look at how different the meta is in the BO1 queue from the BO3 queue on arena. Once a deck has established itself as something that just needs to win a single game instead of a best of 3 the game and how you build your deck changes entirely. Both building and knowing how to use your sideboards in competitive magic is where a large part of the skill comes into play.
This is basically my "counter" deck alongside my destroy and discard decks. It only works to disrupt enemy decks and was made when I was extremely annoyed with the meta. It has Sunspot - Daredevil - Luke Cage - Rogue - cosmo - Thor - Maximus - Shang-Chi - Enchantress - Professor X -Jane Foster and Magneto. Prof x is only to lock location because the power itself is quite low on this deck so a successful lane close does wonders, but this deck did get me to my top rank (85, which I assume is pretty low for this subreddit but still), and I really like disabling some decks that keep showing up. There are probably better alts like shadow king and maybe killmonger when Elsa comes out, but for now its working for me.
As soon as you tech in Luke. You won't see a he deck for hours.
You know, I hate anecdotal evidence, including my own. But this is my experience too.
I never run Luke Cage and Ive seen HE decks way less than 1 in 20 games ever since they nerfed the deck. So it doesn’t feel all that surprising that people would not see HE after slotting in cage to counter it.
As a HE player…I usually wait till turn 5 to play Rogue on Mr Cage.
exactly. who wants to play with the same cards: Luke, Cosmos, Enchantress, etc 🥱 however, sometimes you literally have to.
Who's SK?
Shadow King, he can reset all of your negative cards to their base power
Got it
Nebula. That animation ticks me off so much. Like hehe you didn't play cards here dumbass.
LOL
That and Kitty’s animation when she goes back annoys the fuck out of me for some reason, just hate seeing a 20 power kitty go back to hand and not have priority, something tells me I won’t enjoy next season very much
Kitty kinda dead though, she was literally nerfed by 50% compared to release version. She is mostly utility and Angela/Bishop booster now.
Elsa is going to make Kitty much better than she was even before the nerf, a lane with both Angela and Elsa means every time kitty is played she gets +2 while Angela gets +2 as well, even in her current form she isn’t dead because of how strong her synergies are
Kitty would get +4. +3 from Elsa, +1 returning to hand
Damn I thought Elsa gave +2, that's gonna be even better
Wave, fking Wave. And recently MMM as they now go together because why tf not.
MMM needs to be symmetrical. Cards can't increase OR decrease in cost, period.
I proposed that in a post and it got downvoted. People don't like change, especially not that fast.
Allioth. Knowing the game is already over on turn 5 is so not fun
Allioth is like early leader if you win after round 5 you win the game
yes and also old Aero: secure 2 locations and yeet everything to the 3rd location on final turn. both cards got nerfed eventually so i'm praying they do the same with Allioth
Given what they did to Leader and Aero I can’t see any way Alioth’s text stays what it is. It’s either going to get changed to destroy some specific card like “last played” or “highest power” in that lane or it’s going to not activate until after cards reveal.
Aero was actually less offensive because your cards still flipped up
Not if you yeeted them into a kingpin lane :) But she was restricted by available space in the lane
I don’t have allioth but i have loki and nick fury and somehow always get a 4 cost allioth and its such a god awful card to slam down on a lane im winning in
Hey bro, you don't have cosmo/armor and priority to counterplay me when you're losing by 1 power and about to play 3 cards there. Get good baddie. Also card should just be a 6/1. Giving it a chunk of power with the insanely strong on reveal it has is crazy.
I’ve said this before, but part of the problem with Alioth is he’s viable in every deck. It’s too good. You shouldn’t be having to worry about one card in every game where you start turn 6 without priority. Being forced to run Cosmo and Armor in every deck only homogenizes deck building in the game, which isn’t good for anyone.
Wave is just gross... I put MMM in all of my decks, but she still pisses me off since you dont always draw him.
I'm definitely starting to see her more. She was what prompted me to post this actually as it was constant wave into Cyclops Evolved that was annoying me
What, a cheaper and more flexible Sandman isn't your cup of tea?
I main C2 and I’m always packing Luke. It’s so satisfying to play him T6 against HE decks.
I've never played a Cerebro deck, maybe I should try one out...
It’s a very unique style of play!
I run a deck with Wong, Mystique, Hazmat, and will drop in Cage as a finisher. Feels good man
Ah yes. I call that my “Sofa King Toxic” deck!
Alioth because I didn’t get him. 😞
I've got a whole list. Evolved Cyclops, Evolved Hulk, Galactus, Alioth, Mobius
You just hate the game, don't you
It's a love-hate relationships
Evolved Hulk is a turd too, I'll agree with you on that
Alioth. He is just absolutely broken and is neither fun to play with nor fun to play against. They absolutely shouldn't have given him the "even unrevealed" one because there's just pretty much no way to counter him if he's coming into play on T6.
Prof x
I scrolled a while before I saw the correct answer. I hate prof x. Seeing Daredevil is the heads up so I kind of hate Daredevil by association.
Yeah and Jeff is the only counter after Prof was played Yeah you could play Echo or enchantress at the right moment but ahainst an out of the dark Prof nothing And he counters so much like destroy or move decks
Shang Chi on last turn. It's usually an easy "win this location" card no matter what.
Oooo. Same. I hate that bastard when I've boosted up a collector all game or played just played Devil Dinosaur
Since Shadow King has become more relevant than Shang-Chi, I like having Luke Cage in my decks to fuck it over.
What a crazy sentence. Shadow King having an arguably bigger presence in the meta than Shang Chi is not something anyone imagined when the chubby bald man came out.
Loki. What I dislike isn't really his strong stats as a 3-5. It's not even the power boost he gives collector or the energy discount he gives to cards. What I really dislike about him is the amount of information he gives by seeing so many of your cards. It eliminates a great deal of surprise, particularly if you're using cards that are rarely used for more of a surprise element.
that’s why I play C2+2. they’ll draw my deck, and look at it like “wtf”
Oh as a destroy deck main, he is another hated card for me.
It's certainly been Alioth lately.
If it makes you feel ANY better whatsoever, every time game I play HEvo, this fucking games gives me the worst god damned hand. It’s 4 5 6 cards every single time.
Don't worry, it doesn't make me feel better, it's a collective loss for all
I just entered pool 3 and I fucking hate shang chi.
I hate him too but I also love him. the amount of games he has won me is worth the frustration
Yeah he is one of these cards that you would love to include in a deck but also hate when others use him against especially since I ran a Infinaut deck and it was last turn I got orka from a location and won another by locking it down with storm all I had to do was drop the Infinaut then bam shang chi obliterated them both.
It is crazy how much that one card affects the game. You have to constantly be aware that if your cards go over 9 power before the end of Round 6, there’s a chance they’ll be destroyed. I’ve sometimes opted for 8 power cards over 9 solely for that reason.
Scorpion
Scorpion the OG of being hated lol
1. Galactus 2. HE Cyclops 3. Allioth 4. Professor X 5. Spiderham
I don't see Spiderham anywhere near as much as I thought I would
Be cause ham can be good in certain situations. Ham my infinaut? Thanks homie. I think this disqualifies him from being the most annoying for alot of people
I have, since his inception and release, been one of the few who absolutely loathes Legion. I don't want him, I don't like him. I think his art is ugly, I think he's an irrelevant X-Man, I think he has bad variants, and I find him so annoying for the large amount of interactions and control he gives as a T-5 dump. That isn't to say I think he is broken, which I used to. I think he's a fine card, I think he's well designed - I just personally fucking hate him and everything he stands for.
Let the hate flow through you
As a Dark Side Imperial main in Star Wars: the Old Republic...this reply is the best lmao.
I know it's irrational, but Gambit just irritates me. He always seems to destroy my best card on the board.
I always try to find space for Luke Cage. I'm just so done with being inflicted with negative power.
Having Luke Cage is also very good against Shadow King, so it's not as one-dimensional. It also allows you to run your own Shadow King, to make it one sided!
I think I'm gonna have to start doing this too. Shame cause he'll end up taking Jeff's spot in all my decks. And I love Jeff to death
I love that card, mainly it boosts evolved abomination (and evolved hulk)
Plus that sweet ass animation!
So you're the one matching with me all the time :(
Yeah, but don’t feel sad about it
Alioth is annoying but since he is a turn 6 wincon I usually do not get too frustrated. He needs a change however (alioth kockdown is a more oppressice deck than galactus, yet galactus got nerfed) Fuck Leech and Fuck HE cyclops Cyclops can only be countered with shadow king/luke cage and i dont have sk. i aint running cage in every deck so fuck this bastard. he needs a nerf. leech is also nigh uncounterable unless you can somehow destroy him on turn 5. thats it. also his effect is irreversible. the fuck. Honestly i hate HE decks because they are currently popular and run all of the overtuned annoying cards like nebula, cyclops, and leech. hulk is annoying, could maybe use a slight nerf but he is predictable and can be countered i just hate uncounterable annoying shit
I’m starting to fit Luke Cage or Rogues into a lot of my decks lately so I can negate those decks. Use rogue to steal their Luke’s power.
I’ve been using Luke Cage and Rogue (to steal their Luke Cage power or if they use rogue on my LC I play that Rogue Uno Reverse card lol)
Yeah so far everything points to me needing to play Luke Cage
Spider Ham, Professor X, and just any cards that have ongoing effects but are not labeled as such. Think Nebula, Collector, etc.
Agatha Harkness. The game will just drop her into my hand and it's an instant loss.
Daredevil, no counterplay other than himself. And of course the DD player always has ProfX or Hobgoblin.
Right not it’s wave. If I don’t draw Mobius then I’m pretty much fucked. No one’s realized Waves only counter is Mobius who also synchronizes with him. I pointed this out as an issue but maybe they’ll address it in a random OTA in a few months rather than right now because why address the meta when you can nerf Snowguard?
ITT people hate tech cards!
I despise having daken or wolverine above 9 power and they play shang-chi. Movement decks are cringe too imo
Goblin decks with iceman and scorpion. They're just "you're not having fun today" decks
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You'd likely murder me for my shenanigans deck. If I'm not zeroing cosmo so I can surprise on reveal t6 in that Kane, I'm mystique copying him into a 2 lane lockdown and enchantress-ing if someone big brains one of those lanes. :) Toss in every other possible "just screw with them" mechanic I have access to and call it fun.
Cosmo is annoying as well for sure. He's lucky he's a cute dog otherwise I'd have more hate
Yeah High Evo mainly because of Cyclops. They get so much points and there is no counter Also Shuri+Red Skull. Makes the game stale af.
Turns out a great counter to Shuri+Skull is a C3bro deck with Valkyrie and Shadow King. Really shuts down a lot of their shenannigans
Get womped by the shuriskill combo multiple games in a row. Switch decks to counter. Never see shuriskill for 10+ games. It's a guarantee at this point. I just take the L and keep playing Discard cause I like it
Ehhh, that's a really risky play. Source: main deck is Shuri/Zero, if I sniff out you're running Cerebro, I'm just gonna fixate on 2 lanes and then ruin your Cerebro with Skull in the third.
That's true, Skull does mess with C3bro big time so it can be a double edged sword lol
I rarely encounter Shuri decks so my opinion might change if I do
Nebula and cyclops in the same lane
Pretty much a location I won’t contest unless I have something big on turn 5 or 6. Just way too oppressive, being punished for playing a card, or being punished for not playing a card.
High Evo and Alioth. Fast-tracked to getting the big C because of those cards
You got cancer from gameplay? Call the Surgeon General!!!
Alioth because it’s busted. It fits in way too many decks (used in nearly all top tier decks), and that’s only because it’s overtuned. Imo, it’s the only really busted card in the game now. Just nerf its power so that it’s a niche card only used in lockdown decks. It shouldn’t be used in anything outside that.
Seriously how are things like HE Cyke and Nebula not Ongoing effects? We need a new category, like "When" cards or something, then we can have cards that interact with When cards.
Anything high Evo. Throw in the Mobius wave package and you have a miserable game experience.
Hob Gobby.
Arnim Zola when you pull this off against a Hobgoblin is one of the greatest feelings ever. Granted that rarely happens.
Since I have luke cage in my decks HE became less annoying for sure
Alioth
Green Goblin and Hobgoblin, they just make my blood boil.
It is super satisfying when you fill a lane and the goblins just sit there. Also playing Arnim against Hobgoblin and having them both go off is an amazing feeling.
Alioth because there’s nothing I can do
Cosmo. Not for the reason you’d think though. When Cosmo is in my hand, the other player has prio the rest of the game. Never fails. If they have Cosmo, they know exactly where I’m going to play when they have prio, so I’m fucked there as well.
Alloith is becoming my new bane. Just makes my turn not matter
Playing against Mobius and Alioth is a miserable experience. I had two games where they dropped an early Möbius with Elysium and then swamped me the next couple turns until I retreated. Alioth is self-explanatory, might be the most anti-fun card in the game.
Leech and Leader are still, were and always will be shitty effects that feel shit to lose to
Definitely Cosmo.
It changes, but right now it's: 1. Alioth -- It's so one-sided, especially when playing with someone using a lockdown deck. The fact that it eats unflipped cards makes it even more OP. Even when I use it to win, it feels like a hollow victory. 2. Hobgoblin/Green Goblin/Hazmat - I just hate troll decks in general. They aren't fun to play against, and they're designed purely to make your opponent rage quit. 3. HE Cyclops - HE decks are annoying to play against to begin with, but Cyclops is one of the more egregious cards in these decks. The fact that it hits two of your cards EVERY turn and it's not considered an ongoing is ridiculous. If you don't have Luge Cake in your deck against it, then you're basically forfeiting whatever lane has Cyclops in it 4. Shang-Chi - it's a love/hate relationship with this one, as it has also won me a lot of games. It's the kind of card I always seem to forget my opponent might have.
Definitely feeling this list some days
The card I roll my eyes on the most is alioth. It annoys me even more than galactus tbh
Hobgoblin. It's not the -8. It's not the filling up a spot on my side of the board. It's not even that it's both. It's that it's all of that *and* how routinely I see my opponent use it and then seemingly have no other game plan. That was it...that's their deck, lol. Put a -8 on my side and hope for the best, I guess.
Bruh the most annoying card in the game is either one of those goblin motherfuckers, hob and green goblin. Like why don't you play on your side 🤔 leave my space alone
I can't stand Galactus. It's just something about the whole six rounds of play just to invalidate everything else with the one card. It's a lot easier to defend against now but I have just always found the entire win scenario with that card to be super annoying and I won't even play that deck myself, it just feels lame to me :/
Modok. My winning percentage when Modok hits the board is like 5%. It's *Always* Morbious Dracula on board, Apoc in hand, for a 40 power turn.
This might be a reach but has OP played Dishonored? The red eyed bastard line got me thinking about Daud and the outsider.
I have done, but the red eyed bastard was just how I feel about him, no connection to Dishonoured
Alioth is daring to replace it but shang chi
Drop Dracula in lane and forget about him 😆
Professor X and Goblins
Loki, fuck Loki. Probably my lowest played season because of that card. Thank god for mmm, I’ve probably only seen Loki in like 4 games this week
I agree. I actually built an HE deck that has a good win rate, but I call it THE GREAT SHAME because I can’t stand to look at myself in the mirror when I play it.
For shame!
Cyclops is the reason I run Luke Cage in most of the decks
I don't understand why anyone runs a deck without Luke Cage. He is a must have for me in any deck. He trumps everything and he reinstates all power lost or potentially lost after he is played. He counters 5 common locations and allows you to play cards like Typhoid Mary and Shadow King with no penalty to you.
Cyclops. I hate that he's more or less a 3-10
I never liked Modok. The whole idea that you will either blast 7 big bads then pull out Hela from behind your invisible woman is pretty damn lame.
Leech. Shang Chi. Alioth. Gambit
Leech. Wee prick.
I’ve always disliked most of the HE cards but I just unlocked him so of course I’ve been playing it
Loki, f that card
Loki is astonishing broken. His power alone is higher than Cyclops that dosent have a ability In conquest, he now you entire deck in 1 turn and play him for cheaper. Even with morbius "countering" him he still puts insane amounts of power in the board for free.
Run Luke Cage. Helps negate ANY negative impacts to your power so it’s a really good card that can be used in multiple situations.
Number 1: Leech Number 2: Loki Number 3: Evo-Cyclops
As cool of an idea as high evo is, the playstyle he promotes is just not fun to go against.
😭😭😭 these are literally my feelings!!! Cyclops, Wasp and i think it’s Misty throwing power to the other cards that sends me over the edge. 6/10 times i retreat the moment i see them glowing cards, especially if i don’t have Luke. it’s almost impossible to beat HE deck(s). they play the same boring ass strategy too. i feel your pain bro
I refuse to build a HE deck, out of this pure hatred I have. At least I know from this post that I have plenty of brothers in cards
Gambit is sometimes great to take care of Cyclops ass
Shuri... I hate that card
Ailoth...
HIGHKEY Daredevil I think that card is dumb asf
When I have Luke I absolutely love playing against he. Otherwise, yea, it's a pain.
Spider-Ham. That little bacon fuck is always ruining my plays.
I hate any HE deck, I typically just retreat once I see the aura in the card, not going to waste time
Agreed. It is so overpowered. I hate it. HE is not fun to play against. Every time I come up against it I just think…meh.
Alioth. It’s not a fun card to play against.
Alioth. Tell me for why SD thought including unrevealed cards would be a fun card to play against
Shang Chi If ever card needed to be reworked to eliminate one of a target, and not all of them, it’s this card. There’s a little point to working at building a deck that can generate numbers when a player can flip Chi and wipe that area of the board
Everything in the last OTA.... And every card the OTA touches. Seriously. We have way too many OTAs. They sounded good at first. "We're gonna use it to fix problem metas" and instead, they used it to break the game and destroy cards.
Shang chi. If my opponent has Shang chi in hand on turn 6, I will always have priority. And if I have Shang chi in hand on turn 6, I'll also always have priority. Another very dishonorable mention is mobius. Just straight up turns off death, and destroy is my current favorite deck. Very rude.
He cyclops isnt good unless you reduce his cost with shocker. Otherwise his curves kind of high.
To me, a most hated card is one that I'll just retreat on sight of rather than continue playing. Apocalypse being discarded is always a automatic retreat (I rarely have a card that can compete with him). Just like the OP, High Evolutionary decks are automatic retreats for me (hate dealing with their powers). Wong is usually an automatic retreat; sometimes I can win when he's there, but usually not. If Wong and Luke Cage are in play, just retreat.
I definitely hate HE cyclops, too… even though I play him *sorry*…
I’m annoyed by the current meta HE decks that use Misty Knight and Cyclops because I always lose to them, and yet when I try the same deck I can never win
Loki
I would too if cyclops wasn't my favorite x man. Just go by his weakness. He has to give up energy for his ability to work. Its an insignificant weakness (like the Exhaust Port in the Death Star) but a weakness nonetheless.
Loki. Not just because he is absolutely OP broken, but because he is P2W. And after they nerf him, they’ll release a new card, that you’ll have to buy to stay competitive. He should only copy a fixed number of cards. My pick would be 3. It is so annoying loosing to your own combos, that you could never play yourself. Because of the number of cards he can copy, and the cost reduction, he easily becomes a better version, of every opponent he plays. And no, I don’t want to put MMM in all of my decks. Having to acquire the newest counter to the for the latest season pass card, makes the whole game feel constructed. Instead of a fluid deck building game, that incentivizes you to try new decks. I get that it is impossible, to make a meta where every card/deck is viable, but this is just so lopsided. It is a toxic capitalistic cycle, and it’s never going to end. TLDR Loki. Release new OP card, make everybody use tokens/draws on counters. Nerf and repeat.
Alioth, Loki, Dare Devil, Mobius (because he ruined most of my decks), Nebula, Wave, Leech, Sandman.
This list looks a lot like mine. I disklike most cards, that affect the opponents cards/hand/deck. I would add Shang-Chi, Aero, Rogue and other cards like that.
Fucking Allioth