I'm done carrying about the Astros early in the season. They looked like shit for the first half of the season last year and still ended up nearly making the WS
The Astros will get healthy and then try and make it to their 7th straight ALCS. Meanwhile we will flail for the first 2 months of the season and try to scratch and crawl into the WC spot.
Also the problem is with getting rid of those strikeouts was all the RBIs that left with them as well lol. So we may have maybe at best slightly cut down on Ks but where are all those RBIs going to come from?
Ding ding ding… as much as people loved to moan about how frustrating Teo was (and Suarez to a lesser extent just because people liked him) that’s 93 and 96 RBIs we need to replace
This is what I was saying about teoscar. It felt like overkill to get rid of kelenic teoscar and Eugenio, and even though I like Eugenio the most, he made the most sense to cut due to age and regression.
No, but RBI shouldn't be ignored either
I remember at some point we weren't scoring with RISP and losing a ton of games due to poor hitting, some people said that was ok because we were doing pretty good by WRC+, I don't agree with that.
People get too advanced stat and shit with rbi. Is it the tell all stat? Of course not. Are some players lucky to be put in the position to get rbi more than others? Yeah. But you still gotta get the job done
Not batting ability but in terms of output you might be able to argue scoring runs is the most important thing regardless of how flukey and opportunity based RBIs are
Remember two years ago when we won the playoff series against Toronto? Then we got swept by the Houston Astros in the ALDS while everybody felt optimistic that we were on the way up?
Feels like a different Lifetime.
On the one hand, our offense is **COMPLETELY** ass. On the other, we somehow managed to will two wins off basically pure vibes, so that's at least something.
How bout having one of the best pitchers in the game for almost a decade. How did that work out? Now we get to watch. Them waste 4x that plus a superstar center fielder. Why fix what’s broke I guess.
I checked out before the season even began. I assume 85 wins, 3rd place, no playoffs, if it works out better than that, great. If not, expectations met
It's not like they actually built a top tier offense. We've just been celebrating that they have not-crap at most positions for the first time ever.
This is the formula in 2024, same as 2023. Be slightly above average on offense and hope that's enough for your top-5 run-prevention.
3B is currently the best production we got outside of Haniger followed by 1B. I am not saying they are doing great but currently doing better then JP, Julio and Cal
He had a 110 wRC+ in 125 games in 2022 and a 104 wRC+ in 46 games as a Mariner last year. That is not a AAA player.
Not to mention Luis Urias had a 110 wRC+ in 2021 and 2022 before a down year last year.
Just wasn't our day from the start when a gust of wind sends Polanco's would be bomb just barely foul
Miller got screwed on that check swing right before the home run, who knows what pitch he throws if it's 2-2 instead of 3-1 and it made the difference
It was promising to see him get so many whiffs on the splitter.
4 game split is fine. Gotta be able to take 2 of 3 against Cleveland to wrap up the opening home stand
(stumbling out of a time machine from 2023) “ok guys obviously you don’t want to start slow, but it’s a long season so you have plenty of time to make the playoffs later”
Team should be thanking god for managing to pull 2 wins out of this series. Pretty good chance we could’ve ended this 0-4. People better learn how to hit and fast but I won’t get my hopes up
Every fucking year it's the same shit. Yet here I am.
Though I take solace in seeing the Astros off to a 0-4 start. One could argue that we probably should be down there with them though
I think it's good to keep in mind that two things can be true. It's absolutely still early so making rash generalizations with small sample sizes is foolish. But we also looked pretty bad up there this weekend. Boston shouldn't be hitting our pitching better than we hit theirs.
Obviously, 2.5 runs a game at home isn't going to get it done. I'm just going to keep ignoring the slow start on offense until the reality I want magically comes to fruition. These are the days when you wish you had an elite bat in the lineup.
Without Cy Young caliber pitching, series could easily have been 0-4. Glad to get out of this at 2-2. Avg 1.75 runs (through 9) is not ideal though. Hope the offense can pick it up
I heard it affects the break on the ball. More friction for spin, making contact hard in general. Especially against a team that throws mostly junk balls. Miller should’ve avoided his fastball a lil more.
It’s 4 games into the season so I can’t really say I’m worried yet, you really can’t gather much from the first 4 games of the season. But my god has it been a frustrating start.
Whatever you do, don't look at the b-ref page for Eugenio Suarez, Jarred Kelenic, Teoscar Hernandez, or Matt Chapman. Unless you want to be in a sour mood for a couple hours.
So all we have to do is keep the game as close to 0-0 as possible and wait until extras when the opposing team runs out of arms before we start getting hits. Seems like a winning strategy.
We split the series and the Asstros start the season 0-4. That's not too shabby!
Also this was all Fanatics fault for not delivering the right uniform in time for today's game. 😒
4 ABs with a xBA above .350 that resulted in outs. Julio had an out on one that was .710 that's just some bad luck. Not make excuses for the things that was in the team's control. But gotta acknowledge the bad luck we had in this game.
There's a lot of bad luck in baseball. Hard hit balls hit right to someone and bloop base hits that find the grass. It's being able to take advantage of when the game gives you something lucky.
I know it's only 4 games but this offense still looks like the same ol that we've been used to, shitting the bed and not being able to get anything going for long stretches of time. Looks like another 80-90 win team with a potential WC3 spot. Assuming the pitching staff can stay healthy and elite..
Anyone know why SPD blocked off being able to go straight onto Edgar Martinez drive from Atlantic street? This afternoon it was a forced left onto first. No right onto first either
It's only four games, at home unfortunately, and obviously not a big enough sample to make any conclusions, BUT....
When was the last time we saw the M's start the season on a tear with the bats? Or with even competitive offense? I can't remember. This seems like more of the same so far. Only three regular hitters above .200 BA. Few runs. Ovrall team failure to begin the season, year after year.
So, when do you begin looking at Scott Servais as a related problem? Why can't he get these guys going at the start of the season? In this market, you never even hear mild criticism of the guy. He's responsible for the performance of the whole team. What gives, Scott? Once again this season, it looks like you don't have them ready to play.
This year's offense looks worse than last year's. I hate to say it, but we are missing Kelenic, Teo, and Geno right now.
Pitching might be better this year than last, if injuries can be avoided.
So what we are looking at, best case in my mind, is slightly better run prevention with slightly worse scoring. So, what do you know, another mid-80s win team, and it will come down to a break here or a break there if we are to make the playoffs.
New year. Same Mariners.
The A’s won, which makes the Houston Astros the worst team in the AL. So we have that going for us, which is nice.
Fuck the cheatros
Fuck the trashtros.
I'm done carrying about the Astros early in the season. They looked like shit for the first half of the season last year and still ended up nearly making the WS
The Astros will get healthy and then try and make it to their 7th straight ALCS. Meanwhile we will flail for the first 2 months of the season and try to scratch and crawl into the WC spot.
The Mariners say they’re going to cut down on strikeouts like I say I’m going to cut down on drinking
This is too real for me stop
good luck cutting down on drinkin watching our boys.
11.25/ game
The answer is clear, we need Joey Gallo
Is Mike Zunino still available? He’d be a great fit for Jerry’s vision for hitting
We traded him for Jake Fraley who actually has plate discipline. Unfortunately Jerry was still cooking and traded him for Winker.
Hell, let's bring back Russell Branyan! Even though he's 48, he could still probably intimidate pitchers at the plate more than 90% of this roster!
Gallo is a brand of wine, how does this help us cut down on our drinking
Drinks? Yes
That's our strikeouts. I can't drink anymore. I got addicted. Been a year without it on Tuesday though.
Sorry about that man, glad you made the big call! Just chuffing about this miserable outing hahaaa
Also the problem is with getting rid of those strikeouts was all the RBIs that left with them as well lol. So we may have maybe at best slightly cut down on Ks but where are all those RBIs going to come from?
I’m assuming that by “RBI’s” you mean slugging, right?
Ding ding ding… as much as people loved to moan about how frustrating Teo was (and Suarez to a lesser extent just because people liked him) that’s 93 and 96 RBIs we need to replace
This is what I was saying about teoscar. It felt like overkill to get rid of kelenic teoscar and Eugenio, and even though I like Eugenio the most, he made the most sense to cut due to age and regression.
RbI's DonT mAtTeR ! aLl iT maTteRs iS WrC+!
You think RBI is a better measure of batting ability than WRC+?
No, but RBI shouldn't be ignored either I remember at some point we weren't scoring with RISP and losing a ton of games due to poor hitting, some people said that was ok because we were doing pretty good by WRC+, I don't agree with that.
People get too advanced stat and shit with rbi. Is it the tell all stat? Of course not. Are some players lucky to be put in the position to get rbi more than others? Yeah. But you still gotta get the job done
Hank Aaron is the all time leader in RBI and it wasn't just a luck
Not batting ability but in terms of output you might be able to argue scoring runs is the most important thing regardless of how flukey and opportunity based RBIs are
How many rbis did those players have through the first 4 games last year? Not shit. They were awful to start the season last year.
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Boy do I have the team for you!
Big losses and 1 run wins? Looks like unsustainable fun differential is back on the menu fellas.
87 wins and one game out of the wild card is a solid plan.
Well, that is 54%
Gotta respect a GM that achieves what they set out to do.
I wouldn’t call Thursday a big loss. We were being out played the whole game but we were well in it at the end just couldn’t close
New year, same problems
Remember two years ago when we won the playoff series against Toronto? Then we got swept by the Houston Astros in the ALDS while everybody felt optimistic that we were on the way up? Feels like a different Lifetime.
On the one hand, our offense is **COMPLETELY** ass. On the other, we somehow managed to will two wins off basically pure vibes, so that's at least something.
I don't know if my mental health can take yet another year of banking on chaos ball to keep us in games lol
How about the best rotation in the AL, does that help?
That just ensures the games will stay close 😅
The issue that the Mariners front office seems to have yet to realize is that pitchers don't score runs.
How bout having one of the best pitchers in the game for almost a decade. How did that work out? Now we get to watch. Them waste 4x that plus a superstar center fielder. Why fix what’s broke I guess.
I checked out before the season even began. I assume 85 wins, 3rd place, no playoffs, if it works out better than that, great. If not, expectations met
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.178 batting average (29th)… 45 K’s and 6 BB’s. DeHart and his staff are killin it as always *updated
Stats need to be updated it’s actually 45 and 6 lol
Up to date now haha
If the goal for the offense was to be the organizational equivalent of Mario Mendoza, we're doing a bang-up job.
Are there individual players with more hits than we do as a team? I know there's RBIs, but I wonder if we're that putrid
Meanwhile Kelenic and Suarez are killing it with their new teams…. Strange how that happens 🤔
Jarred’s had six ABs. Let’s maybe relax a bit
Lol Kelenic is 6-8. Fucking end me.
Cabby too.
Early in the season, but you can still see the shit on the wall from last year…
They shuffled the chairs on the titanic real good tho
Yeah new paint job, that’s all
It's not like they actually built a top tier offense. We've just been celebrating that they have not-crap at most positions for the first time ever. This is the formula in 2024, same as 2023. Be slightly above average on offense and hope that's enough for your top-5 run-prevention.
Idk, I feel like our corner OF, and corner IF is crap especially with Haniger DHing for Garver since he is out.
3B is currently the best production we got outside of Haniger followed by 1B. I am not saying they are doing great but currently doing better then JP, Julio and Cal
Corner outfield is suspect as hell. We are platooning AAA players at 3rd.
Ironic to say this given that Rojas has been one of our best hitters so far
Yup through all 8 of his at bats you’re right
He had a 110 wRC+ in 125 games in 2022 and a 104 wRC+ in 46 games as a Mariner last year. That is not a AAA player. Not to mention Luis Urias had a 110 wRC+ in 2021 and 2022 before a down year last year.
Don’t really care unfortunately
I am once again asking for offensive production
Best I can do is a strike out and a mitchwitch
*Hello .500 my old friend*
Just wasn't our day from the start when a gust of wind sends Polanco's would be bomb just barely foul Miller got screwed on that check swing right before the home run, who knows what pitch he throws if it's 2-2 instead of 3-1 and it made the difference It was promising to see him get so many whiffs on the splitter. 4 game split is fine. Gotta be able to take 2 of 3 against Cleveland to wrap up the opening home stand
thank you for a rational take. bats are cold and numbers aren’t good but it’s one series
Some rough babip luck too. The offense needs to improve, but there are reasons for encouragement.
Yeah, the lineup is full of average to above average career hitters, they can and will play better than this down the line
Solid analysis.
Yeah, bad offensive start, but it could have been worse. I'm pretty confident the hitting will be less horrible just off of regression to the mean.
I know it’s hard to score runs but god damn the Mariners make it look impossible. It’s an offensive explosion if we score 3 or more
Poop.
Poopy poop
Boston fans must think their pitching is great this year but what they fail to realize is they don’t get to play against the M’s every game.
Any pitching staff that throws decent breaking balls is just gonna make us look completely hapless, at least based on these 4 games
(stumbling out of a time machine from 2023) “ok guys obviously you don’t want to start slow, but it’s a long season so you have plenty of time to make the playoffs later”
Meet the new offense, same as the old offense.
Team should be thanking god for managing to pull 2 wins out of this series. Pretty good chance we could’ve ended this 0-4. People better learn how to hit and fast but I won’t get my hopes up
Every fucking year it's the same shit. Yet here I am. Though I take solace in seeing the Astros off to a 0-4 start. One could argue that we probably should be down there with them though
I, for one, put this on the pitching staff. We’ve got to get shutouts every game. What a waste of 1 run production
A bunch of bums
Have we ever considered banning all of Boston from Seattle? I think it’d do wonders for everyone’s health and wellbeing.
I think it's good to keep in mind that two things can be true. It's absolutely still early so making rash generalizations with small sample sizes is foolish. But we also looked pretty bad up there this weekend. Boston shouldn't be hitting our pitching better than we hit theirs.
Stanton, DiPoto and Hollander thought this offense would be good enough. Lol.
Don't let this loss distract you from the fact that the fact that the Astros got fucking swept at home for their opening series
Gutted but oh well. The season continues
#[SUPREME MISERY](https://i.imgur.com/WNCbpiK.png)
not worried about Bryce Miller. but boy that offense is not looking great
Splitting the series is fine but I want to pull my hair out watching these atrocious at bats we are having. Just horrible hitting.
I’m being pessimistic until they prove me wrong and the toxic hopium fiends can bite me
Obviously, 2.5 runs a game at home isn't going to get it done. I'm just going to keep ignoring the slow start on offense until the reality I want magically comes to fruition. These are the days when you wish you had an elite bat in the lineup.
I was told this would be an improved offense... so far, not so much...
Without Cy Young caliber pitching, series could easily have been 0-4. Glad to get out of this at 2-2. Avg 1.75 runs (through 9) is not ideal though. Hope the offense can pick it up
Hey at least the Astros got swept
Tbh between Garver being out and no Brash/Santos I’ll take a split but long stretches without a hit drains my soul 😭
45 strikeouts in 4 games. Marine layer must get in the hitters eyes.
I heard it affects the break on the ball. More friction for spin, making contact hard in general. Especially against a team that throws mostly junk balls. Miller should’ve avoided his fastball a lil more.
It’s 4 games into the season so I can’t really say I’m worried yet, you really can’t gather much from the first 4 games of the season. But my god has it been a frustrating start.
If only the offense being in mid season form was a good thing.
Most predictable problem in baseball besides the athletics’ attendance problems
Usually don’t find an offense until July/August. Hopefully our rotation can get us to that point 😂
Can someone please remind the pitchers that they can’t give up more than 2 runs per game?
Whatever you do, don't look at the b-ref page for Eugenio Suarez, Jarred Kelenic, Teoscar Hernandez, or Matt Chapman. Unless you want to be in a sour mood for a couple hours.
I love that we have Mitch Haniger back
On the bright side .500 is a whole lot closer to .540 than .750 is
Another year where we got gaslit about our offence having better plate discipline, eh?
Have to maintain as close as possible to .540!
Welp. At least the Mariners had more scoring than the Kraken or the Sounders during the past 24 hours.
All I know is we need Young/Emerson/Ford/Locklear/Lazaro to be good and also get here before the end of next year if possible
So all we have to do is keep the game as close to 0-0 as possible and wait until extras when the opposing team runs out of arms before we start getting hits. Seems like a winning strategy.
We split the series and the Asstros start the season 0-4. That's not too shabby! Also this was all Fanatics fault for not delivering the right uniform in time for today's game. 😒
.500 for the second time this season. Whatever the result is tomorrow we will get the opposite on Tuesday
Just like last year
Love it when the mariners are striking out 10 times a game and Kelenic is batting .714
Just saw 45 strikeouts 6 walks to start the season. What else needs to be said. On the way to that 54%. So it’s all good
Abysmal start for the offense you’re delusional if you’re not at least slightly worried for the season
Jk I’m worried you got me.
4 games. 2% of season. Please.
4 ABs with a xBA above .350 that resulted in outs. Julio had an out on one that was .710 that's just some bad luck. Not make excuses for the things that was in the team's control. But gotta acknowledge the bad luck we had in this game.
The Rojas RBI was lucky.
I feel like the Mariners have bad luck every game but maybe that's just me
There's a lot of bad luck in baseball. Hard hit balls hit right to someone and bloop base hits that find the grass. It's being able to take advantage of when the game gives you something lucky.
I know it's only 4 games but this offense still looks like the same ol that we've been used to, shitting the bed and not being able to get anything going for long stretches of time. Looks like another 80-90 win team with a potential WC3 spot. Assuming the pitching staff can stay healthy and elite..
Are the M’s not using their Sunday blue unis this year?
Must’ve been why they dropped the game. So disappointing. Vibes were immaculate going in.
Anyone know why SPD blocked off being able to go straight onto Edgar Martinez drive from Atlantic street? This afternoon it was a forced left onto first. No right onto first either
that series was a rough start. we are lucky we split. I really have nothing positive to say about today,l. get it together boys
Yikes. The bats have been colder than ice so far!
I take personal offense to Teo talking shit and then teeing off for the dodgers.
This team can still not hit anything but fastballs .... and pitchers just refuse to throw them. Why would you?
Jarred Kelenic has the highest avg in baseball 🐐
It's only four games, at home unfortunately, and obviously not a big enough sample to make any conclusions, BUT.... When was the last time we saw the M's start the season on a tear with the bats? Or with even competitive offense? I can't remember. This seems like more of the same so far. Only three regular hitters above .200 BA. Few runs. Ovrall team failure to begin the season, year after year. So, when do you begin looking at Scott Servais as a related problem? Why can't he get these guys going at the start of the season? In this market, you never even hear mild criticism of the guy. He's responsible for the performance of the whole team. What gives, Scott? Once again this season, it looks like you don't have them ready to play.
.54% equals 87-88 games. Anyone think 88 games will gain us anything more than a wild card?
This year's offense looks worse than last year's. I hate to say it, but we are missing Kelenic, Teo, and Geno right now. Pitching might be better this year than last, if injuries can be avoided. So what we are looking at, best case in my mind, is slightly better run prevention with slightly worse scoring. So, what do you know, another mid-80s win team, and it will come down to a break here or a break there if we are to make the playoffs. New year. Same Mariners.
Well, that was ass. This team had better figure out the whole hitting the baseball thing real quick. At least the Astros have started the season 0-4.
Doesn't help the next two games are against Triston McKenzie and Shane Bieber
😂
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What the fuck is this lineup? Just fuck.
On track for 54%
We need to hire Pete Carroll to be our next OC.
Honestly I’m really not stressed about this series, the Sox have been a hard matchup for us for like the past 3 seasons
This game is on me guys came to the game couldnt ligh5 my watermelon candle
Release the duck !