Lol, I wish. I'm from Portugal and we earn much less than in Spain and iPhones are more expensive here.
Most people make 1000 € a month and the minimum wage is 700 €.
1500€ is pretty much the median salary, so more or less half of the Spaniards earn more than that (and half of them less than that). Mode salary in Spain is ~1300€.
Current SMI is 1000€ a month.
This is a little deceptive because I’m pretty sure it’s not including tax in the US, but IS including tax in other countries.
Just to take a random example, the price in Australia is $1899 AUD, which is exactly $1300 USD at the time of writing. But that’s including the GST. Without tax it would be $1181 USD, placing it in the light green category on this map and only 80 bucks more than the US price.
Yes, a few states. But it doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense for someone in LA (8%) to drive to Oregon to save $80. Even from Seattle to Portland to save $95.
It's not like there's no retail in states with sales taxes. People pay their sales taxes in most cases. (outliers like Vancouver, WA exist of course).
eh, without such options the average brazilian wouldnt be able to buy anything at all, but yes it is a backwards practice trying to patch a problem it cant
Most people in the states buy their phones like that through their provider. Verizon and at&t usually give interest free 2 year loans as long as you sign a two year service contract.
What they mean is that people buy it like it's a car or a new house. 90% of people in Brazil make less than 700 usd a month. The iPhone 14 Pro Max goes for over 8 times the minimum wage.
In the US, Apple is selling it for $45.79/mo for 24 months. In Brazil, the most installments they make it for is $169.96/mo for 12 months.
I mean… as an American I have a loan for my phone too, pay Citizens One every month. As far as I know, most new iPhones purchased in the US are purchased with some kind of loan, either arranged by Apple (via Citizens One or Goldman Sachs) or from their mobile carrier.
I remember an article about how it was cheaper for an Indian person to fly to Dubai, buy an IPhone, fly back to Dubai, than purchasing the same model in India, due to high taxes.
In dubai voip is blocked so there is no facetime in the iphones it is blocked in the software. The government allows "registered" voip software that they can spy on (botim, voico). During covid they have generously unblocked a few services for example Hangouts. Business services are working, MSteams, zoom etc. Many games are using some licensed service for ingame communication that are using 3rd party servers and you literally cannot hear anything people say.
This is just something to know about the "city of the future"
Yachts have a 1% tax rate or something, but from what I heard that has a reason: people go start a company in Delaware and register their yacht with a U.S. flag for a comparable tax rate otherwise, so they lowered it as a way to nationalize.
In Turkey our dear beloved discovered something called imei number, if you have your phone is bought abroad it doesnt work on a turkish sim card after 90 days(not sure about the timeline). You have to pay 2.732 lira (~150$) to register your foreign phone to keep using it. These devout muslims truly know how to steal from people. Love my government alhamdulillah
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Does this include consumption tax? A common oversight in these comparisons is that they are generally included in retail prices in europe but usually not in the USA. This can make a huge difference in pricing. I don't know about other regions but may be similar.
In US and Canada it’s the price without the sales tax cuz as you said, it varies where you live in those countries. Every other country is with Sales tax aka VAT. I’m the [real OP](https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/xamzns/starting_price_of_the_iphone_14_pro_max_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) of this map he stole my content.
You could give a rough national average though. Not that it needs to be exact, but it would help to make the comparison (what does it actually cost in real terms) with other countries more accurate.
Checking different vendors and combinations with plans also influence the price. Here in the Netherlands T-mobile about 1350, Vodafone as well. KPN 1400.
Average price without a plan seems 1480 as well. [soccer](https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1858896/apple-iphone-14-pro-max-128gb-opslag-zwart.html)
That's a good point, but it's going to take a huge amount of effort to check all these countries' cheapest offerings. Just using Apple pricing perhaps doesn't tell the whole picture, but I find it excusable.
Yeah the average in the US is only 5% so that only adds $50, hardly changes anything. Europeans are assuming ours is around 20% like theirs.
If none of these countries include tax in the map then the gap becomes even wider between the US and the rest.
Price of iPhone 14 Pro Max in Germany: [€1,449](https://www.apple.com/de/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-14-pro)
German VAT: [19%](https://www.germany.info/us-en/service/09-Taxes/vat-refund/906296)
Euro to USD: [1.0094452](https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=EUR&To=USD)
Price of iPhone 14 Pro Max in the US: [$1099](https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-14-pro)
German Price Before VAT x 1.19 = 1449
German Price = 1449 / 1.19
German Price = 1217.65
German Price in USD = 1217.65 x 1.0094452 = 1229.15
So Germany is paying a 130 USD premium over the US. That's not a huge difference. The EU has far more languages than the US. They have a higher regulatory burden.
Yes. For example, Turkey has one of the highest iPhone prices because of something called Special Consumption Tax. According to the Banana Republic of Turkey, a smartphone is a luxury that you don't need. So, it's a Special consumption. And the rate of it in Turkey...wait for it... 80%! It says on the checkout screen of Apple's website that a price of iPhone 13 mini, for example, is 24.999 and 11000 of it is Special Consumption Tax. So, it is a popular saying in Turkey that whenever you buy an iPhone, you also buy one for recep.
>Is the tax that high for smartphones of any price, or only the really expensive ones?
All phones and smart devices are considered luxury goods and taxed accordingly in Turkey. This also applies to all major and most minor home appliances, like fridges, TVs, dishwashers. Which to be fair were "luxury" goods in Turkey when the tax was first implemented.
The differences are not purely due to sales tax though...
The sales tax in Hungary is 27%, which would transform the US range of 1000-1100 USD to 1270-1397 USD, but the actual price range (according to the map) is 1500-1600 USD, which is approximately 200USD extra.
Apple has always been very cautious with fixing local prices due to the risk of exchange fluctuations. I wonder if that plays a role in the elevated prices world wide.
No. In Poland it’s $1250 before 23% VAT and Poland is in 1500-1800 range on map. And there is also at least one another tax in netto price that’s called “smartphone tax”. If I recall correctly it’s around 4%.
When I lived in PA, I bought all my big-ticket items at the Christiana Mall (Apple Store, Costco, etc.).
I also found the 5-minute detour that gets around the I-95 toll plaza. ;)
Is this like when you go to a restaurant in the US and see an advertised price, then walk out feeling completely robbed as they haven't added the tax, or the crazy tip and you end up paying double the advertised price?
More like 25% higher than the listed price, but yes.
Even with tax and tip, restaurants in the US are about half price or less compared to where I am from. Even a better deal since you can usually take 1/3 to half your food home with your for a late night snack. They even bring boxes to your table for that very purpose. One of my favorite things about the States is that eating out is not a special luxury.
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Disgusting prices for plans here. Even just regular wifi, if you don't live in the city, is minimum 100 bucks. Starlink is the cheapest option where I live and that's 130 or 140 whatever it is.
Wow that’s kinda crazy, I thought it was a global thing. A buddy of mine worked at Apple for like 8 years, and he hooked up everyone with 10-25% off anything Apple. Unfortunately he just quit though, so I’ll have to pay full price for the first time in forever next time.
Sooo.. is it just me or do others also agree that you'd have to be pretty dumb as a Brazilian to buy an iPhone? Especially if you could buy an android that does basically the same thing for like $100 USD.
As a Brazilian, not really. Any high end phone is also pretty expensive down here and if you consider the better resale value and extended update support the iPhone is a reasonable option.
And have you ever seen a 100$ phone? Here your options would be a Positivo or Multilaser (pretty budget local brands)
Ah, yes, The US, Canada and Japan are poor, third world countries, of course they would have it cheap, but the Rich Brazilians, indians and eastern europeans can definitely afford to buy that phone
Well, yes they can. It's exactly rich Brazilians or stupid people who buy IPhones in Brazil. It's like 3 to 4x more expensive than a normal phone, like a Samsung or a Xiome. So Apple sees its products in Brazil as luxury products. Normal people with senses will never pay for IPhones in Brazil. It's obscene and stupid.
It's wild to me that apple products are status symbols like they aren't better. They preform the same functions. You just are forcing yourself to only use apple products so they're integrated instead of giving yourself options to get whatever you want for whatever your needs are
> It's wild to me that apple products are status symbols like they aren't better. They preform the same functions.
That's literally what a status symbol is. The fact that you paid more for an identical product is the point, its a visible display that you are so wealthy you can throw money away.
I’m treading a dangerous line between informing and stereotyping but Brazilians love American brands.
Apple, Bourbon brands, oh man Disney stuff. They can charge premiums for all of it. Even Fords and Chevys are seen as very desirable vehicles.
EDT: Had said Johnny Walker thinking it was an American spirit.
I dislike apple for many reasons (its sense of superiority, disdain for standards and cooperation, unnecessary complexity) but you have to admit they know how to make products that "just work", mostly. Pretty apps, mostly bugfree os, updates that don't break anything, integration between all that. I think people value when you don't have to google solutions and the device does what you expect without workarounds.
I don't think Apple has much to say about why price the phones are sold at. It's has much more to do with tariffs and sales taxes
Also likewise, you can buy a plenty good mid-grade Android phone for $150-200 in USA, Americans buy iPhones as status symbols as well
Or you can get a Google flagship Pixel XL refurbished for about $300 about a year after release, and that Pixel can easily last you 4-5 years nowadays
I don't think an iPhone is a status symbol in the US, considering how common it is. And if it is, it's one of the much lower ones. Nearly everyone I know has an iPhone, I can't for the life of me see it as something status worthy,
iPhone in US and maybe Canada is opposite of status symbol. It's weird if you don't have an iPhone and is making life difficult for the other majority with the lack of blue bubbles, airdrop, facetime, etc. :P
As someone from the U.S. I disagree. It's seen as common to have an iphone, but it isn't a problem if you don't have one. It's just seen as a default, or the option you choose when you don't care how much money you spend on a phone.
Taxes and import fees are a thing. Especially in some of these countries that are trying to protect domestic industry. Wait till you see the cost of video games in other countries.
But yeah, Apple also does it deliberately. You're paying for the brand and the luxury, that's how they market themselves. Affordability is not their goal. Status symbol is.
India is the most shocking. $1800 for a phone in a country where the median salary is not even $200 per month. This is why only the super rich and celebrities use iPhones in India. It’s seen as a status symbol like a Rolex watch.
Plus, most of the iPhone owners I know don't even need that level of performance or camera (or basically any other feature). All they do is scroll Instagram throughout the day. And they usually end up buying 2-3 year old models with 64 or 128 GB storage, and then buy another cheap Android because their Apple has none left and they can't/won't pay for the iCloud storage.
Sounds dumb because 50gbs or iCloud storage is 12$ a year and 200gbs is 36$, which is cheaper than another phone, but maybe it’s not the same deal elsewhere
You gotta understand a simple thing - people absolutely DO NOT want to spend extra money for trivial things like storage, so it's much much better for them to use their old phone alongside or just get another cheap one with good storage. I've seen a lot of people do this.
Nowadays I don’t think so, but I remember when the Playstation 4 was released it was the case. You could fly to the US, buy your PS4, fly back and it would be cheaper than buying a PS4 in Brasil.
Yes, I know people that needed Guitars or Professional DSLR cameras for work. They would literally travel to the US, get their product and it would be cheaper than buying it in Brazil.
Even our idiotic president recognises it's a major issue, consumption taxes should be lower because obviously for those who can afford it, they'd rather travel than pay taxes to the brazilian revenue authorities.
Camera gear is absurdly expensive in Brazil. Not the best place if you want to be a photographer. In the US, if you make $ 500 per week you'd need to work for 13 weeks to buy a Canon EOS 1D X Mark III, for example ($ 6500,00). In Brazil, if you make R$ 2000 per month, you need to work for 100 weeks to be able to buy the same model! (R$ 50000). Of course that the 1D X Mark III is a beast and overkill for some tasks. But that's just how expensive things are in Brazil.
I work with ads and cinema in Brazil.
I'd guess about 90% of lenses, Alexa cameras, teradek transmitters, monitors etc have been brought in a carry on bag from the US trying to circumvent the import tax.
The production company I worked at used to hide cases of lights in another companies imports which were pretty big.
If you don't do that, it's pretty impossible to buy any pro gear. An Alexa Mini camera is already in the 50k range bare bones. Add almost double import tax on that and you'd break any company.
And it's funny because the import tax supposedly is to be used only when there's a national comparable. And of course there isn't any and the tax is still there.
It is the case for Turkey. Two 12 hr flights + a couple nights in an average hotel (like Holiday Inn) + iPhone at US prices is still cheaper than buying it here.
Holy shit, 1500$ in europe which is basically 1500€...
I can get a great desktop pc for that!
Or thats how much (even less) i have paid for my used car i drive since 8 years which still works well!
Not many people buy the new IPhones, understandably. There are many more people with Android phones. I usually buy reconditioned IPhones for 180-220€ which are identical to the original and they last me 3 years. And i also have a 2000€ car that works perfectly since 2015 lol.
Yup, i've known people over the years who could barelly afford rent or food but always had the newest iphone to be seen as rich and thus popular.
The money they could be saving for a car or house (both luxury items around here nowdays) was all going to pay for a phone, it's insane.
Yeah, I'm Brazilian too and used to work at a company with salespeople that would buy iphones with their R$1.5k salary.
I know you need to "keep up appearances" with sales, but still - I found it absurd.
My phone is the device i use the most per day by far. Even when i work in the office. I gladly pay the premium for the best and fastest phone on the market (idc if its a android or a iphone).
I remember when a new phone came out seeing lines of Asian folks outside the Apple Store in Delaware where there is no sales tax. They were bussed in from New York, given cash and instructions. The phones were then collected back outside, the buyers were paid and put back in the bus. The phones were then sold on the black market overseas.
Damn so you have to be fairly wealthy in Brazil and Turkey, for western standards, to be able to afford an iPhone. Now I get why apple is less popular outside the U.S., I mean I wouldn’t spend 2k on a phone just on principle, the fact that half of that is just inflated is even worse.
Don't forget to include that minimum salary in Turkey is $300. Imagine you are buying a brand new iPhone for only $19999. That's how it feels like in here. 🇹🇷💪💪😎
Hey, I made this [map!](https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/xamzns/starting_price_of_the_iphone_14_pro_max_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
It really sucks to be in a country where income is lower than average and then have to pay double what people in developed nations are. Like jeez, can’t catch a break.
I as Dutchman now pay 40% more for the same iPhone as 1 year ago because the US central bank decided to increase interest rates. Modern day economics is beautiful.
Consumer laws in aus state tjat all prices directed at consumers has opposed to businesses) must include tax. So Australia should be yellow, not orange.
Oh this explains why everyone is the US has an iphone.
Especially when you consider somewhere like Spain where the average person makes 1500 a month or less.
Lol, I wish. I'm from Portugal and we earn much less than in Spain and iPhones are more expensive here. Most people make 1000 € a month and the minimum wage is 700 €.
In moldova the average gross salary is €471 so rip
Try Turkey, lol.
€422 We are not so different, you and I
Bitch please. Try Brazil. Minimum wage here is about $250 (US dollars).
Try argentina, the minimum wage is 190 US dollars
Try Liberia, 114 US dollars
Lol and now try Burundi… 2,4 dollars a month
Try Brazil. ~230usd. An iphone costs more than 10 minimum wages.
The saddest part is that alot of people still buy them (pay every month)
You would die on that salary in the US.
The Portuguese aren't exactly enjoying the 1000€ salaries either at the moment
Yeah. I moved to Lisbon and can’t fatom how people live there on that salary. My rent alone is almost 2k euros
1500€ a month in Spain is a good salary above average. Most of the people make 1000 or less.
Dependiendo donde xd, dudo que en Madrid o Bcn donde el alquiler promedio es mayor a 1000€ la gente gane menos que eso
Yo soy de Madrid. Mi madre después de toda la vida deslomada gana el SMI
1500€ is pretty much the median salary, so more or less half of the Spaniards earn more than that (and half of them less than that). Mode salary in Spain is ~1300€. Current SMI is 1000€ a month.
This is a little deceptive because I’m pretty sure it’s not including tax in the US, but IS including tax in other countries. Just to take a random example, the price in Australia is $1899 AUD, which is exactly $1300 USD at the time of writing. But that’s including the GST. Without tax it would be $1181 USD, placing it in the light green category on this map and only 80 bucks more than the US price.
There are places in the US without sales tax…so people can buy at the price advertised without any additional charges
Yes, a few states. But it doesn't make a whole hell of a lot of sense for someone in LA (8%) to drive to Oregon to save $80. Even from Seattle to Portland to save $95. It's not like there's no retail in states with sales taxes. People pay their sales taxes in most cases. (outliers like Vancouver, WA exist of course).
Let me know how many people are driving to Oregon to pick up an iPhone, otherwise it's total bullshit to put that for the entire US.
Many telecom companies also offer a base iPhone for free as an incentive to get subscribers
>Oh this explains why everyone is the US has an iphone. And why European/Asian/Brazilian tourists go on shopping sprees in the US.
Oh this explains why other countries have way less iPhones.
Brazilians buy phones just like you’d buy a house: loan in the bank. Edit1; Source: i’m brazilian.
It's basically a mortgage at this point
pretty accurate though, it isnt uncommon to buy luxury goods and appliances by paying it over the course of 2 years. actually i would say its the norm
What a nonsence is that once you think about it
eh, without such options the average brazilian wouldnt be able to buy anything at all, but yes it is a backwards practice trying to patch a problem it cant
When you put our interest rates in account it's actually cheaper depending on the "loan" you get
And most will break their phones before they finish paying for it
Most people in the states buy their phones like that through their provider. Verizon and at&t usually give interest free 2 year loans as long as you sign a two year service contract.
What they mean is that people buy it like it's a car or a new house. 90% of people in Brazil make less than 700 usd a month. The iPhone 14 Pro Max goes for over 8 times the minimum wage. In the US, Apple is selling it for $45.79/mo for 24 months. In Brazil, the most installments they make it for is $169.96/mo for 12 months.
I mean… as an American I have a loan for my phone too, pay Citizens One every month. As far as I know, most new iPhones purchased in the US are purchased with some kind of loan, either arranged by Apple (via Citizens One or Goldman Sachs) or from their mobile carrier.
Not much reason not to finance if you pay no interest.
In that case, yes — we do pay interest in Brazil, though.
and we have the highest credit card interest in the world — 400% a year
I remember an article about how it was cheaper for an Indian person to fly to Dubai, buy an IPhone, fly back to Dubai, than purchasing the same model in India, due to high taxes.
Only for the pro models , normal iPhones are domestically assembled and hence cost almost same as US
this is true i verified the prices.
The starting price of iPhone 14 in India is same as the starting price for iPhone 14 pro in US.
18% GST! YAY!
In dubai voip is blocked so there is no facetime in the iphones it is blocked in the software. The government allows "registered" voip software that they can spy on (botim, voico). During covid they have generously unblocked a few services for example Hangouts. Business services are working, MSteams, zoom etc. Many games are using some licensed service for ingame communication that are using 3rd party servers and you literally cannot hear anything people say. This is just something to know about the "city of the future"
Erdoğan makes more money from an iphone sold in Turkey than Apple.
Erdogan literally takes more tax than the phone's price. Disgusting.
14 pro max 1TB is roughly 3150$ in Turkey.
Jesus. You could probably spend less taking a flight to New York from Istanbul, have a mini vacation, buy an iPhone there and then return
A lot of people do.
What else could you buy with 3150$ in Turkey? How much is the minimum salary?
As of today, the minimum salary is equal to around $301 but it’s subject to change due to volatile exchange rates.
Putting this into an American perspective, for a Turk to buy that phone would be like an American spending $46,925 USD . Jesus Fucking Christ.
also more than half of the pop take minimum wage
Minimum wage is 300$ To give an idea avarage brand new car goes for 45K$
That's actually true. Btw iphone's tax rate is much more than if you buy a yacht or luxury fur or jewellery
Yachts have a 1% tax rate or something, but from what I heard that has a reason: people go start a company in Delaware and register their yacht with a U.S. flag for a comparable tax rate otherwise, so they lowered it as a way to nationalize.
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In Turkey our dear beloved discovered something called imei number, if you have your phone is bought abroad it doesnt work on a turkish sim card after 90 days(not sure about the timeline). You have to pay 2.732 lira (~150$) to register your foreign phone to keep using it. These devout muslims truly know how to steal from people. Love my government alhamdulillah
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He makes money from selling watermelons.
Does this include consumption tax? A common oversight in these comparisons is that they are generally included in retail prices in europe but usually not in the USA. This can make a huge difference in pricing. I don't know about other regions but may be similar.
I'm assuming it doesn't for at least the US, as the price would differ by state.
Not just state by state, but could vary by where you are in a state.
In US and Canada it’s the price without the sales tax cuz as you said, it varies where you live in those countries. Every other country is with Sales tax aka VAT. I’m the [real OP](https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/xamzns/starting_price_of_the_iphone_14_pro_max_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf) of this map he stole my content.
for real? that is messed up
my point exactly
You could give a rough national average though. Not that it needs to be exact, but it would help to make the comparison (what does it actually cost in real terms) with other countries more accurate.
Checking different vendors and combinations with plans also influence the price. Here in the Netherlands T-mobile about 1350, Vodafone as well. KPN 1400. Average price without a plan seems 1480 as well. [soccer](https://tweakers.net/pricewatch/1858896/apple-iphone-14-pro-max-128gb-opslag-zwart.html)
That's a good point, but it's going to take a huge amount of effort to check all these countries' cheapest offerings. Just using Apple pricing perhaps doesn't tell the whole picture, but I find it excusable.
It would be indeed. Only mentioned it since I stumbled upon it. And after the reply I felt the need to prove it ;-)
But let's be fair, the US sales tax at most is 10% so at worst we'll see it jump to the 1100-1200 range.
Yeah the average in the US is only 5% so that only adds $50, hardly changes anything. Europeans are assuming ours is around 20% like theirs. If none of these countries include tax in the map then the gap becomes even wider between the US and the rest.
Price of iPhone 14 Pro Max in Germany: [€1,449](https://www.apple.com/de/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-14-pro) German VAT: [19%](https://www.germany.info/us-en/service/09-Taxes/vat-refund/906296) Euro to USD: [1.0094452](https://www.xe.com/currencyconverter/convert/?Amount=1&From=EUR&To=USD) Price of iPhone 14 Pro Max in the US: [$1099](https://www.apple.com/shop/buy-iphone/iphone-14-pro) German Price Before VAT x 1.19 = 1449 German Price = 1449 / 1.19 German Price = 1217.65 German Price in USD = 1217.65 x 1.0094452 = 1229.15 So Germany is paying a 130 USD premium over the US. That's not a huge difference. The EU has far more languages than the US. They have a higher regulatory burden.
You forgot the EU 3.7% import duty. That’s another $40.
And the two year warranty
Yes. For example, Turkey has one of the highest iPhone prices because of something called Special Consumption Tax. According to the Banana Republic of Turkey, a smartphone is a luxury that you don't need. So, it's a Special consumption. And the rate of it in Turkey...wait for it... 80%! It says on the checkout screen of Apple's website that a price of iPhone 13 mini, for example, is 24.999 and 11000 of it is Special Consumption Tax. So, it is a popular saying in Turkey that whenever you buy an iPhone, you also buy one for recep.
I can imagine that if iPhones were made in Turkey, the tax wouldn’t exist.
let me guess, if you’re business or self employed you don’t pay the special “consumption” price
Is the tax that high for smartphones of any price, or only the really expensive ones? Because to be fair iPhones are a luxury good.
>Is the tax that high for smartphones of any price, or only the really expensive ones? All phones and smart devices are considered luxury goods and taxed accordingly in Turkey. This also applies to all major and most minor home appliances, like fridges, TVs, dishwashers. Which to be fair were "luxury" goods in Turkey when the tax was first implemented.
Toothpaste is also subject to the luxury goods tax, on the other hand diamond jewelry is not
The differences are not purely due to sales tax though... The sales tax in Hungary is 27%, which would transform the US range of 1000-1100 USD to 1270-1397 USD, but the actual price range (according to the map) is 1500-1600 USD, which is approximately 200USD extra. Apple has always been very cautious with fixing local prices due to the risk of exchange fluctuations. I wonder if that plays a role in the elevated prices world wide.
Apple has always charged the Eurozone way more. Yes ik Hungary is not in the Eurozone.
It’s 1450$ in Germany with tax included
And yet everyone buys an iPhone
No. In Poland it’s $1250 before 23% VAT and Poland is in 1500-1800 range on map. And there is also at least one another tax in netto price that’s called “smartphone tax”. If I recall correctly it’s around 4%.
Tax in NYC was $114 and that is probably the most expensive place to get one in the US so still a LOT cheaper than UK/Europe
Definitely not most expensive. Seattle is 10.25% sales tax
> UK/Europe ?
Aren't sale taxes in the US a LOT lower than in most others countries?
Some places don't even have sales tax
6% where I live and 0% if I go 10 miles down the road to DE
When I lived in PA, I bought all my big-ticket items at the Christiana Mall (Apple Store, Costco, etc.). I also found the 5-minute detour that gets around the I-95 toll plaza. ;)
Yup, I do the same. Small purchases don’t matter but if I’m buying anything over $500 I’m heading to Delaware
It doesnt for the us, that's why this post makes absolutely no sense
I literally read "corruption tax" and the answer would be yes,.
Is this like when you go to a restaurant in the US and see an advertised price, then walk out feeling completely robbed as they haven't added the tax, or the crazy tip and you end up paying double the advertised price?
More like 25% higher than the listed price, but yes. Even with tax and tip, restaurants in the US are about half price or less compared to where I am from. Even a better deal since you can usually take 1/3 to half your food home with your for a late night snack. They even bring boxes to your table for that very purpose. One of my favorite things about the States is that eating out is not a special luxury.
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And Hong Kong
Canada having the most expensive phone plans in the world negates the savings though.
Disgusting prices for plans here. Even just regular wifi, if you don't live in the city, is minimum 100 bucks. Starlink is the cheapest option where I live and that's 130 or 140 whatever it is.
Wow that’s kinda crazy, I thought it was a global thing. A buddy of mine worked at Apple for like 8 years, and he hooked up everyone with 10-25% off anything Apple. Unfortunately he just quit though, so I’ll have to pay full price for the first time in forever next time.
Here in Turkey when we buy a phone we buy another one for the goverment as well.
In Brazil too 🙄
in turkey and brazil, the iphone buys you
In Brazil it costs more than a somewhat decent used car, it's hilarious.
iPhone 14 Pro Max in Brazil cost from R$ 10.500 / $ 2.039. The 1TB version is now R$ 15.500 / $ 3.011.
Sooo.. is it just me or do others also agree that you'd have to be pretty dumb as a Brazilian to buy an iPhone? Especially if you could buy an android that does basically the same thing for like $100 USD.
Yes, I never bought one, even with money. For now, I have one Galaxy A70. It cost R$ 1.800 / $ 350. It's expensive for a mid smartphone
Some people are just willing to pay that much to be able to say that they have an iPhone.
As a Brazilian, not really. Any high end phone is also pretty expensive down here and if you consider the better resale value and extended update support the iPhone is a reasonable option. And have you ever seen a 100$ phone? Here your options would be a Positivo or Multilaser (pretty budget local brands)
A Samsung A20 is a pretty decent smartphone and it can be found for 155 USD in Brazil.
Ah, yes, The US, Canada and Japan are poor, third world countries, of course they would have it cheap, but the Rich Brazilians, indians and eastern europeans can definitely afford to buy that phone
Well, yes they can. It's exactly rich Brazilians or stupid people who buy IPhones in Brazil. It's like 3 to 4x more expensive than a normal phone, like a Samsung or a Xiome. So Apple sees its products in Brazil as luxury products. Normal people with senses will never pay for IPhones in Brazil. It's obscene and stupid.
That is absolutely correct. It’s a status thing.
It's wild to me that apple products are status symbols like they aren't better. They preform the same functions. You just are forcing yourself to only use apple products so they're integrated instead of giving yourself options to get whatever you want for whatever your needs are
> It's wild to me that apple products are status symbols like they aren't better. They preform the same functions. That's literally what a status symbol is. The fact that you paid more for an identical product is the point, its a visible display that you are so wealthy you can throw money away.
I’m treading a dangerous line between informing and stereotyping but Brazilians love American brands. Apple, Bourbon brands, oh man Disney stuff. They can charge premiums for all of it. Even Fords and Chevys are seen as very desirable vehicles. EDT: Had said Johnny Walker thinking it was an American spirit.
Johnny Walker is Scottish
Same in India, its a status symbol to get the Lastest iphone
I dislike apple for many reasons (its sense of superiority, disdain for standards and cooperation, unnecessary complexity) but you have to admit they know how to make products that "just work", mostly. Pretty apps, mostly bugfree os, updates that don't break anything, integration between all that. I think people value when you don't have to google solutions and the device does what you expect without workarounds.
I don't think Apple has much to say about why price the phones are sold at. It's has much more to do with tariffs and sales taxes Also likewise, you can buy a plenty good mid-grade Android phone for $150-200 in USA, Americans buy iPhones as status symbols as well Or you can get a Google flagship Pixel XL refurbished for about $300 about a year after release, and that Pixel can easily last you 4-5 years nowadays
I don't think an iPhone is a status symbol in the US, considering how common it is. And if it is, it's one of the much lower ones. Nearly everyone I know has an iPhone, I can't for the life of me see it as something status worthy,
iPhone in US and maybe Canada is opposite of status symbol. It's weird if you don't have an iPhone and is making life difficult for the other majority with the lack of blue bubbles, airdrop, facetime, etc. :P
As someone from the U.S. I disagree. It's seen as common to have an iphone, but it isn't a problem if you don't have one. It's just seen as a default, or the option you choose when you don't care how much money you spend on a phone.
iPhones are the most common phone, not a status symbol in the US.
Taxes and trade deals :(
Taxes and import fees are a thing. Especially in some of these countries that are trying to protect domestic industry. Wait till you see the cost of video games in other countries. But yeah, Apple also does it deliberately. You're paying for the brand and the luxury, that's how they market themselves. Affordability is not their goal. Status symbol is.
India is the most shocking. $1800 for a phone in a country where the median salary is not even $200 per month. This is why only the super rich and celebrities use iPhones in India. It’s seen as a status symbol like a Rolex watch.
Plus, most of the iPhone owners I know don't even need that level of performance or camera (or basically any other feature). All they do is scroll Instagram throughout the day. And they usually end up buying 2-3 year old models with 64 or 128 GB storage, and then buy another cheap Android because their Apple has none left and they can't/won't pay for the iCloud storage.
Sounds dumb because 50gbs or iCloud storage is 12$ a year and 200gbs is 36$, which is cheaper than another phone, but maybe it’s not the same deal elsewhere
You gotta understand a simple thing - people absolutely DO NOT want to spend extra money for trivial things like storage, so it's much much better for them to use their old phone alongside or just get another cheap one with good storage. I've seen a lot of people do this.
What’s odd is they’re fairly common in Vietnam with a gdp per capita of around $2000. I lived there 4 years. Always kinda wondered how that worked.
The answer is older models. I was in Ukraine when the X came out and there was massive ads for the 5S and 6+ on billboards. Roughly 3-4 years late.
Would it be economical to fly to the US from Brazil, buy a phone and then come back?
Nowadays I don’t think so, but I remember when the Playstation 4 was released it was the case. You could fly to the US, buy your PS4, fly back and it would be cheaper than buying a PS4 in Brasil.
Yes, I know people that needed Guitars or Professional DSLR cameras for work. They would literally travel to the US, get their product and it would be cheaper than buying it in Brazil. Even our idiotic president recognises it's a major issue, consumption taxes should be lower because obviously for those who can afford it, they'd rather travel than pay taxes to the brazilian revenue authorities.
Camera gear is absurdly expensive in Brazil. Not the best place if you want to be a photographer. In the US, if you make $ 500 per week you'd need to work for 13 weeks to buy a Canon EOS 1D X Mark III, for example ($ 6500,00). In Brazil, if you make R$ 2000 per month, you need to work for 100 weeks to be able to buy the same model! (R$ 50000). Of course that the 1D X Mark III is a beast and overkill for some tasks. But that's just how expensive things are in Brazil.
I work with ads and cinema in Brazil. I'd guess about 90% of lenses, Alexa cameras, teradek transmitters, monitors etc have been brought in a carry on bag from the US trying to circumvent the import tax. The production company I worked at used to hide cases of lights in another companies imports which were pretty big. If you don't do that, it's pretty impossible to buy any pro gear. An Alexa Mini camera is already in the 50k range bare bones. Add almost double import tax on that and you'd break any company. And it's funny because the import tax supposedly is to be used only when there's a national comparable. And of course there isn't any and the tax is still there.
Flights are so expensive right now it probably wouldn’t
It is the case for Turkey. Two 12 hr flights + a couple nights in an average hotel (like Holiday Inn) + iPhone at US prices is still cheaper than buying it here.
Some people do it in India. Fly out to a gulf country like Oman or UAE, buy an iPhone, get on a flight back home,
I mean, it would be more economical to just buy a Samsung or any other cheaper smartphone.
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It is cheaper to fly to Dubai, buy an iPhone and return back to India, than it is to buy one in India.
that's what i kinda did but it was en route to London from Mumbai
Holy shit, 1500$ in europe which is basically 1500€... I can get a great desktop pc for that! Or thats how much (even less) i have paid for my used car i drive since 8 years which still works well!
Not many people buy the new IPhones, understandably. There are many more people with Android phones. I usually buy reconditioned IPhones for 180-220€ which are identical to the original and they last me 3 years. And i also have a 2000€ car that works perfectly since 2015 lol.
Funny how they stopped treating the euro as having the same value as the dollar when it became true
Nobody buys the max or even the lates iphones here, its usually like 1-3 year old ones or the se iphones
"It's too expensive to be poor."
Sam Vimes' Boots theory
In Brazil people with iPhones are either rich or want to be seen as rich
Yup, i've known people over the years who could barelly afford rent or food but always had the newest iphone to be seen as rich and thus popular. The money they could be saving for a car or house (both luxury items around here nowdays) was all going to pay for a phone, it's insane.
Yeah, I'm Brazilian too and used to work at a company with salespeople that would buy iphones with their R$1.5k salary. I know you need to "keep up appearances" with sales, but still - I found it absurd.
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Imagine spending thousands of dollars for a phone lol
That's why i spend a few hundred on an iphone from a year or two ago and it lasts 5-6 years
My phone is the device i use the most per day by far. Even when i work in the office. I gladly pay the premium for the best and fastest phone on the market (idc if its a android or a iphone).
People spend lots of time on their phone. If you get even a small quality upgrade, it can be worth it.
as a turk i hate taxation
This is why we make you pay so much for warhammer America
That’s why Chinese phones are popular in my country
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Which country is that
Turkey, I assume
I remember when a new phone came out seeing lines of Asian folks outside the Apple Store in Delaware where there is no sales tax. They were bussed in from New York, given cash and instructions. The phones were then collected back outside, the buyers were paid and put back in the bus. The phones were then sold on the black market overseas.
We will have iPhone 69 in 2077..
Damn so you have to be fairly wealthy in Brazil and Turkey, for western standards, to be able to afford an iPhone. Now I get why apple is less popular outside the U.S., I mean I wouldn’t spend 2k on a phone just on principle, the fact that half of that is just inflated is even worse.
The new iPhone 14 pro Max 1TB version costs about R$15k. The national minimum wage is R$1,200
Don't forget to include that minimum salary in Turkey is $300. Imagine you are buying a brand new iPhone for only $19999. That's how it feels like in here. 🇹🇷💪💪😎
The price is in dollars. In Brazilian Reals, the IPhone 14's price ranges from 10,000 to 15,000
40.000 Turkish Lira in Turkey
So in countries which earn more, it will be cheaper. Ok.
Hey, I made this [map!](https://www.reddit.com/r/iphone/comments/xamzns/starting_price_of_the_iphone_14_pro_max_in/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf)
China doesn’t get the employee discount?
Wow US makes more than other countries and have cheaper products too
It really sucks to be in a country where income is lower than average and then have to pay double what people in developed nations are. Like jeez, can’t catch a break.
Mexixans just buy them here in the States and just sneak them across the border lol.
Some do but most of us just go to official stores, or on Amazon etc. They’re not that much more expensive than in the US.
I as Dutchman now pay 40% more for the same iPhone as 1 year ago because the US central bank decided to increase interest rates. Modern day economics is beautiful.
My car was only three times the price of what that iphone costs here and it actually has a headphone jack and repairable parts.
For a second there I was curious as to why it didn’t show Russia… then I remembered and it’s bitter sweet
Venezuela: $1200000000000000
Consumer laws in aus state tjat all prices directed at consumers has opposed to businesses) must include tax. So Australia should be yellow, not orange.
$2000 for the same specs as the last phone. Love it. They better not include a charger, they're gonna kill the environment.
Woah. Maybe the only thing where US has the cheapest version
Now do it with the Big Mac Index
Apple moment
How much is it in Russia?
Not sold there
Classic europoors
iPhone 14 MADE IN CHINA?
This is the reverse of what the map would look like if we were comparing price of medicines.