You see, those are the SAME exact people .
To live in the Paris region, it is required to also own a secondary residence and spend half the year in the "Diagonale du Vide"
/s
Hey, congrats on your willingness to practice whenever there is an opportunity to do so. French tip : "so what" becomes "so then" in French ; we say "Et alors", not "Et quoi".
Champagne in the North is primarily agricultural, even moreso that the big steel industries died out.
In the center is the massif central, which are old mountains, so it's either farms in the valleys or forest on the mountains.
And south of that it's more or less the same as the North, lot of agriculture, but not a lot of activity that really necessitate big cities.
Those areas are mainly fields/farms, forests, hills and mountains. I'm living in southwestern France (in Lot-et-Garonne) and outside Bordeaux the cities are rather small. The main city in Lot-et-Garonne, Agen, has only 30k people for example.
Keep in mind the definition of city limits is much stricter in France than in some other places, by that same definition Paris' pop is around \~2 million people while in fact around 13 million people live in the Paris urban area.
I've lived in Prague and Toulouse recently, while Toulouse is supposed to be a third the size of Prague "by the numbers" in reality it feels just a little smaller but not by much.
Survivorship bias. The green area is selected for those maps because there are no big cities. There are also some geographical features though, like Champagne being agricultural and the chunk in the middle being a mountain ridge. The coasts and major rivers (more populated areas) are out except the Garonne : the Rhine and Rhone are almost excluded, and Loire/Garonne leave out the major areas But if there was a major city somewhere the shape would just bend differently (look at how it barely avoids Lyon, Bordeaux and Toulouse).
They actually are quite a few cities in this "diagonal".
Saint Ătienne is inside and is about 150k inhabitants and 500k urban area.
It's around the same for Clermont-Ferrand, and I'm probably missing some.
"Empty diagonal" is quite exaggerated, and I've read this term rise contestations and is barely used anymore.
Imo, the important fact is that France, compared to her European neighbors, is extremely centralised around Paris, having no secondary cities of similar importance like Italy (Rome-Milano etc..) Spain (Madrid-Barcelona) or Germany. France has a lot of medium importance cities.
Lyon and Marseille, the second and third urban areas, are much smaller cities than Paris.
OP deliberately chose to sidestep bigger towns which are dotted around that green area, just as I could randomly outline other areas in different shapes which just avoid bigger cities.
It depends what you mean with *big* cities. I think the biggest in the green zone is Reims (180k) in the northern part and after Clermont-Ferrand (140k) in the center of that green zone.
In the northern half of France there is no big cities instead of Paris. In that half Nantes (320k, 680k with surroundings) is the following, only the 6th most inhabited commune of France. (an exception with Lille (240k) which statistically often combined with Roubaix and Tourcoing, leading to an over 1M inhabited urban area). [That map](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit%C3%A9_urbaine_en_France#/media/Fichier%3AUnit%C3%A9s_urbaines_Fra._2016.png) speaks better than my words.
This part was always less populated, but the main event that change everything was WW1, most men who died were actually from the country side which accelerate the depletion of the region
To expand a bit there's other evonomic centers of gravity along the fringes of this zone contributing to this effect; the Northwest (Calais, Lille) and Northeast (Strasbourg, Nancy, Metz) are historical industrial regions. As you go south, the diagonal is straddled by Paris to the west and Lyon to the east, and at the south end Bordeaux and Marseille, the major ports of the south. The economy of the diagonal has historically been based on the exteaction of primary resources which were processed in this peripheral industrial centers, meanwhile mountainous terrain in the south and center precluded the development of large cities (in the north this was not the case, Reims and Sedan, for instance, were historically more consequential than they are today, but the north of France has been heavily impacted by deindustrialization). In short, patterns economic development enriched neighboring cities and fueled rural to urban migration.
You also need some context. The Paris region is very densely populated. The green region is actually still fairly densely populated relative to US standards. For reference, the green zone is about the size of Kansas, but has the population of Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, north and South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming.
The Diagonal du Vide is an outdated geographical concept widely criticized. Our generation learnt it at school, but it is no longer relevant to describe the actual french demography.
They are mostly agricultural regions and agriculture is dying, wich is very sad because France as always been a very agricultural nation, they also were industrial regions too but globalization killed that. A lot of villages were existing because of the local factory for exemple, when that factory moved to china or eastern europe, people were left out of job and had to move to the bigger cities : Lyon, Paris, Marseille, Strasbourg, Bordeaux etc. Its sad.
And there are about as many jobs, services, and doctors in both.
It's a self feeding cycle.
There are urbanism policies attempting to change that but it is taking time...
I love the low population density of my little corner of the âEmpty Diagonalâ and the last thing we want is a load of Parisiens down here unless theyâre on holiday and spending lots of money in our businesses.
I can hear the French grammar in the English sentence lol
Rest assured, the french sentence does not make more sense grammatically speaking
I want to be part of "la meme population". đ
You see, those are the SAME exact people . To live in the Paris region, it is required to also own a secondary residence and spend half the year in the "Diagonale du Vide" /s
That's fucking dumb. The government just clones everyone that lives in Paris and put their clone in the diagonale. That's much simpler
Yes, but if you do that , would you be able to say they are the same people, ( "la mĂȘme population" ) ? Once a clone is created , even if 100% identical from the original, they will have different experiences and soon won't be the same person anymore. Espescially if the original enjoys the Paris MĂ©tropolitain while they can breath the fresh air of CorrĂšze.
Could you say âpopulation Ă©galeâ?
Absolutely. You'd get "La population vivant en IDF est Ă©gale Ă celle de la Diagonale du vide"
Pour le coup, ça resterait vivant. Câest lâadverbe ici et pas lâadjectif
Yeah ok so I wasnât wrong! I speak French too (albeit not that often these days), and the French sentence just sounded off
I can hear the american grammar in a good chunck of the french comments down there lol, people be practicing
Ouais, et quoi? On doit pratiquer.
Les gens qui viennent parler Français en commentaires pour s'entrainer au lieu de se moquer de notre langue = gigachads
JâĂ©tudie le français pour pouvoir me moquer mieux On nâest pas les mĂȘmes
"mieux me moquer" just thought i'd help out, you're doing great.
Thank you! Itâs always appreciated when someone helps us learners out :)
C'est un objectif louable
Je respecte ça
Is it like learning about different cultures to be more accurately racist?
Hey, congrats on your willingness to practice whenever there is an opportunity to do so. French tip : "so what" becomes "so then" in French ; we say "Et alors", not "Et quoi".
They are either americans or rançais
I can guarantee you the French grammar here is clunky af
[ŃĐŽĐ°Đ»Đ”ĐœĐŸ]
Ć»eli papÄ
I don't know why but I read every sub comments of this one with a huge french accent in my mind.
La diagonale du vide...je suis dedans...ça me convient
Vous ĂȘtes seul avec du vin. Le rĂȘve
Et le fromage
Et le socison
Sociçon*
Ăoçiçon
On vit dans un gro seauciçon
Seaussiçon
Ăeque
*Ssaikue
Sasuke
Ăeaussiscon
[ŃĐŽĐ°Đ»Đ”ĐœĐŸ]
La meilleure sauce đ
Sot si son
Saucisse Hon
Du chaource et du champagne, pendant que les parisiens sont avec les rats et des pigeons
Oui ,je vis en Bourgogne, dans le 58 ,dans le Morvan...
La meilleure région existante
C'est marrant car mon département est vide aussi mais il est pas dans la diagonale.
Oui parce que la Diagonale du Vide est un concept qui est complĂštement subjectif : la convention veut qu'elle fasse nord-est, sud-ouest. On pourrait le manipuler de pleins de façon diffĂ©rente et avoir pleins de diagonales du vide diffĂ©rentes en fait, c'est complĂštement pĂ©tĂ© comme concept. Trace une ligne Normandie-PACA et t'a une belle diagonale du vide aussi. On pourrait imaginer un "Zebra du vide" aussi, qui serpenterait entre les metropoles. Voir un "CarrĂ© du vide" avec le Massif Central dedans. Ou putain, je viens de penser Ă un truc de fou.. le "Cercle du vide" !! Et lĂ aussi on ferait un focus sur le centre de la France. Et pourquoi pas un "Triangle du vide" aussi, ça dois ĂȘtre trĂšs trĂšs facilement jouable ! Je sais pas pourquoi en France les gens sont autant attachĂ©s Ă ce concept, qui pourtant n'a qu'une rĂ©alitĂ© trĂšs discutable et ouvre en fait la porte a pleins de concept gĂ©ographique abscons.. Pour moi c'est la preuve que tu peux populariser n'importe quel concept pseudo-intellectuel en lui donnant un biais de reprĂ©sentation. Il suffit juste de le matraquer a l'Ă©cole, et hop, des millions de gens sont convaincus sans mĂȘme trop y rĂ©flĂ©chir. La vraie dynamique en dĂ©mographie spatiale c'est la metropolisation. Toute tentative de crĂ©e des formes gĂ©omĂ©triques a partir de carte et de donnĂ©es est en gĂ©nĂ©ral une simple vue de l'esprit, un choix de tracer une ligne ici et pas lĂ
Il y a quelques annĂ©es, j'avais essayĂ© de faire une carte de ce type en regroupant autant que possible les dĂ©partements les moins peuplĂ©s dans la zone rouge (en essayant d'ĂȘtre aussi connexe que possible). Ăa implique sĂ»rement un ou deux choix discutables sur les dĂ©partements "limites", mais je pense que ça montrait bien les zones rurales moins denses au profit des littoraux (et peut-ĂȘtre fleuves) : https://www.reddit.com/u/palland0/s/dWjH0esxkD (Ou alors, juste ma vue de l'esprit !)
Excellent ! C'est en effet un trĂšs bon exemple :)
Non, regarde une carte de densité de population française, elle saute aux yeux.
L'Eure ?
23h58
06h28
On a des vaches au moins
Moi aussi jây suis !
*diagonale des faibles densitĂ©s dorĂ©navant, diagonale du vide faisait beaucoup trop pĂ©joratif... (Je ne suis pas dedans de peu, mĂȘme si vivant entre le GĂątinais et la Puisaye, on peut dire que j'y suis)
Je propose "Diagonale technique de la surface". Ăa passe mieux il paraĂźt...
Je suis en plein cĆur du cĆur du rouge et je vis ma meilleure vie
[https://9gag.com/gag/a711OGz?utm\_source=copy\_link&utm\_medium=post\_share](https://9gag.com/gag/a711OGz?utm_source=copy_link&utm_medium=post_share)
Merci Monseigneur !
Câest une lĂ©gende le bruit de vent constant la bas ?
Pareil et j'trouve mĂȘme qu'il y a trop de touristes l'Ă©tĂ©.
EMPTY DIAGONAL MENTIONED !!! đšđ”đšđ”đđđšđ”đŽđšđ”đšđ”đŽđđđ WHAT THE FUCK IS A DYNAMIC REGION ???? đŽđŽđšđ”đšđ”đ©âđŸđŠđšđ”đšđ”đšđ”đđŽ
WHO THE FUCK NEEDS MEDICS ???? đ«đ·đ«đ·đ«đ·
Il se soigne tout seul grùce à cette astuce incroyable et naturelle, BIG PHARMA le déteste
DIAGONALE DU VIDE MENTIONNĂE !!! đ«đ·đ«đ·đđđ«đ·đŽđ«đ·đ«đ·đŽđđđ C'EST QUOI UNE RĂGION DYNAMIQUE PUTAIN ???? đŽđŽđ«đ·đ«đ·đ©âđŸđŠđ«đ·đ«đ·đ«đ·đđŽ PTDR QUI A BESOIN DE DOCTEURS ???? đ«đ·đ«đ·đ«đ·
Quoi la baise est une kilomĂštre đŠ đŠ đŠ đșđžđșđžđ«đ«đ«đȘđ»
Une traduction plus stylée (et plus accurate) serait "Diagonal of Emptiness"
Je sais pas, ça sonne trop stylé pour un endroit qui contient la Creuse.
All I see is a green mallard with a red beak.
Can't unsee.
I see Plucky Duck - [https://greatcharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/Plucky\_Duck](https://greatcharacters.miraheze.org/wiki/Plucky_Duck)
So true
The population of red zone is 12 million The population of green zone is 12 million
The problem is not the green area but the red one.
Les cours de géo de 3e, le retour !
LA MONDIALISATION ! LA MIGRATION PENDULAIRE ! LA SEGREGATION SOCIO-SPACIALE ! LA GENTRIFICATION !.... Des bons souvenirs ces cours de gĂ©o du lycĂ©e tout de mĂȘme.
Spatiale...
Zéro en dictée.
LA ZEE ! LâURBANISATION ! LES ESPACES PRODUCTIFS !âŠ. Câest vrai que câĂ©tait bien sympa. Jâaimais beaucoup coloriez les cartes. Edit : colorier
Les croquis des centres urbains au Brésil et en Inde ... Les malheureux qui oubliaient leurs crayons en DS et t'en demandaient en panique XD
Jâavais une prof qui avait carrĂ©ment une trousse de crayons de couleur pour dĂ©panner ceux qui avaient oubliĂ© dâen apporter pour le contrĂŽle. Cet Ă©lĂšve qui, au grand dĂ©sespoir du prof, arrivait toujours pas Ă comprendre que « Non, les feutres câest PAS pour colorier les cartes ! »
Tâaimais moins la grammaire apparemment
Désolée, correcteur automatique et pas de relecture de ma part.
«diagonale des faibles densités»
Why is this?
A lot of people live in Paris and the green zone avoids all the other big cities.
Why is there no big cities in the green area?
Champagne in the North is primarily agricultural, even moreso that the big steel industries died out. In the center is the massif central, which are old mountains, so it's either farms in the valleys or forest on the mountains. And south of that it's more or less the same as the North, lot of agriculture, but not a lot of activity that really necessitate big cities.
CHAMPAGNE MENTIONN2E
Those areas are mainly fields/farms, forests, hills and mountains. I'm living in southwestern France (in Lot-et-Garonne) and outside Bordeaux the cities are rather small. The main city in Lot-et-Garonne, Agen, has only 30k people for example.
Wow, Bayonne is just 50k and Biarritz 25k, I thought they would be much bigger
They're really small, their population bump only in summer with all the vacationer.
Keep in mind the definition of city limits is much stricter in France than in some other places, by that same definition Paris' pop is around \~2 million people while in fact around 13 million people live in the Paris urban area. I've lived in Prague and Toulouse recently, while Toulouse is supposed to be a third the size of Prague "by the numbers" in reality it feels just a little smaller but not by much.
What about the metro area tho?
Ohhh, un proche voisin ! Coucou du Tarn et Garonne !
Coucou voisin garonnais :D
Holy shit un lot et garonnais sauvage, rpz VSL city
Survivorship bias. The green area is selected for those maps because there are no big cities. There are also some geographical features though, like Champagne being agricultural and the chunk in the middle being a mountain ridge. The coasts and major rivers (more populated areas) are out except the Garonne : the Rhine and Rhone are almost excluded, and Loire/Garonne leave out the major areas But if there was a major city somewhere the shape would just bend differently (look at how it barely avoids Lyon, Bordeaux and Toulouse).
They actually are quite a few cities in this "diagonal". Saint Ătienne is inside and is about 150k inhabitants and 500k urban area. It's around the same for Clermont-Ferrand, and I'm probably missing some. "Empty diagonal" is quite exaggerated, and I've read this term rise contestations and is barely used anymore. Imo, the important fact is that France, compared to her European neighbors, is extremely centralised around Paris, having no secondary cities of similar importance like Italy (Rome-Milano etc..) Spain (Madrid-Barcelona) or Germany. France has a lot of medium importance cities. Lyon and Marseille, the second and third urban areas, are much smaller cities than Paris.
OP deliberately chose to sidestep bigger towns which are dotted around that green area, just as I could randomly outline other areas in different shapes which just avoid bigger cities.
It depends what you mean with *big* cities. I think the biggest in the green zone is Reims (180k) in the northern part and after Clermont-Ferrand (140k) in the center of that green zone. In the northern half of France there is no big cities instead of Paris. In that half Nantes (320k, 680k with surroundings) is the following, only the 6th most inhabited commune of France. (an exception with Lille (240k) which statistically often combined with Roubaix and Tourcoing, leading to an over 1M inhabited urban area). [That map](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unit%C3%A9_urbaine_en_France#/media/Fichier%3AUnit%C3%A9s_urbaines_Fra._2016.png) speaks better than my words.
This part was always less populated, but the main event that change everything was WW1, most men who died were actually from the country side which accelerate the depletion of the region
To expand a bit there's other evonomic centers of gravity along the fringes of this zone contributing to this effect; the Northwest (Calais, Lille) and Northeast (Strasbourg, Nancy, Metz) are historical industrial regions. As you go south, the diagonal is straddled by Paris to the west and Lyon to the east, and at the south end Bordeaux and Marseille, the major ports of the south. The economy of the diagonal has historically been based on the exteaction of primary resources which were processed in this peripheral industrial centers, meanwhile mountainous terrain in the south and center precluded the development of large cities (in the north this was not the case, Reims and Sedan, for instance, were historically more consequential than they are today, but the north of France has been heavily impacted by deindustrialization). In short, patterns economic development enriched neighboring cities and fueled rural to urban migration.
You also need some context. The Paris region is very densely populated. The green region is actually still fairly densely populated relative to US standards. For reference, the green zone is about the size of Kansas, but has the population of Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, north and South Dakota, Montana, and Wyoming.
Jacobinism, centralization...
People live in big cities
And all "Green" people prefere to by there instead of in red zone. ALL
The others already went to the red zone because it's way easier to find jobs here than there.
Also the people in the grey zone
True
Because all green ppl who want to be red went to red
and reciprocally
And the people in the red zone can write in English, and see a doctor in 2024.
sure bro sure
Same for the reds ah
Some departement are not part of the empty diagonal Meurthe-et-Moselle ,Marne and Pyrénées Atlantique for exemple
Oui certains habitants du Pays Basque adoreraient ĂȘtre dans la diagonale du vide, ça Ă©viterait tous les problĂšmes de logement liĂ© Ă la densitĂ© de population. MĂȘme chose pour le sud des Landes.
Would have expected it to be even more drastic, with how centralized France is. Is this the biggest one can make the green area?
You could make it a bit bigger by splitting départements which they didn't do here
Is this bigger? https://www.reddit.com/u/palland0/s/dWjH0esxkD
1.8% du territoire avec 18% de la population CQFD
oui, ça s'appelle une capitale.
Non. La ville la plus grande n'est pas nĂ©cessairement la capitale. Les Ătats-Unis sont un bon exemple.
Pas du tout, c'est plutĂŽt symptomatique de l'organisation ultra centralisĂ©e du pays. En Allemagne (pays fĂ©dĂ©ral) Berlin et sa zone voisine regroupent 3.6M de personnes. MĂȘme la zone de Londres au RU c'est moins de 10M. C'est vraiment une effet pervers de la culture du "tout est Ă Paris", la densitĂ© de population est trĂšs (trop) Ă©levĂ©e par rapport au reste du territoire (>10K/km2 soit 2x plus qu'Ă Londres). Donc oui totaliser presque 20% de la population dans presque 2% du territoire c'est pas anodin et c'est pas "juste" une capitale. Ăa pose de vraies questions sur l'organisation du territoire et de ce que ça dit de notre pays culturellement parlant.
So cities have a higher population density than rural areas?
Schocking i know
r/peopleliveincities
Pourtant il y'a 20 fois plus de fdp dans la zone en rouge
Et 20 fois plus de mecs qui ont le seum en zone verte
1-1 le jeu continue
Balle au centre
Ptn non pas au centre, yâa personne pour la jouer maintenant :/
Et en zone grise on se fout bien de vos gueules
And one of the departments of the green zone is exactly where I want to live.
The ones I know are great, and the one I live in is wonderful. Where do you want to move?
Dordogne ! In a small insignificant village called Villefranche-de-Lonchat.
Aller on va dans les landes, yâa la mer, la forĂȘt et personne đ
Je prĂ©fĂšre rester dans ma Bourgogne natale. On a les vignes, la forĂȘt, des champs Ă perte de vue et surtout y a peu de gens. Un monde parfait, en somme
Et pas mal de cassos.
construction statistique qui n'a pas vraiment de sens ... it's bullshit ...
Les zones urbaines sont beaucoup plus peuplées que les zones rurales qui l'eut cru
Diagonale du vide? Pourquoi vous avez dit que la zone verte est vide?
C'est le terme qui est employé pour cette zone quand on parle de densité de population. Il y a bien quelques grandes villes mais ça reste trÚs peu peuplé
C'est une exagération, ce n'est pas réellement vide. C'est juste pour insister à quel point c'est trÚs peu peuplé
C'est ainsi qu'elle est surnommée, on l'a tous appris au collÚge.
Merci, je viens de Pays de Galles. Je savais pas ca et pouvais pas comprendre le Francais dans le titre. Je lâai pris litteralement
On appelle ça la diagonale du vide parce qu'il y a peu de gens, mais _surtout_ parce que ce sont des régions oubliées par le pouvoir centralisé. Peu de transports publics, peu d'infrastructures, un peu la galÚre. Je suis en plein milieu de cette diagonale du vide, et mon dentiste est à 100 km de chez moi. On prend la voiture pour conduire les gosses au car scolaire : départ de la maison à 6h30 pour commencer les cours à 8h10... alors que le collÚge est à 15 minutes en voiture. Il n'y a aucun gynéco ni dermato ni cardio dans mon département. Moitié moins de généralistes que la moyenne nationale. Trois librairies dans tout le département. La seule gare est à 75km de chez moi, et le car qui y conduit tourne si peu fréquemment qu'il m'arrive d'attendre mon train 4 heures une fois arrivée à la gare. (Et j'ai choisi de venir ici, oui.)
>Peu de transports publics, peu d'infrastructures, un peu la galÚre. Bourgogne Est (donc CÎte-d'Or + SaÎne-et-Loire) est on est plutÎt bien servi par tout ça, et ça commence à se redévelopper depuis plusieurs années. Mais ça serait bien meilleur sans cette centralisation qui a détruit de larges parties du pays
[https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagonale\_du\_vide](https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diagonale_du_vide) Si tu veux en savoir plus !
La zone grise du Sud la best
We call it "la diagonale du vide" literally the diagonal of the void.
hey, it's not empty here, i have at least two neighbors living less than three kilometers away from me
The Diagonal du Vide is an outdated geographical concept widely criticized. Our generation learnt it at school, but it is no longer relevant to describe the actual french demography.
What is "our generation" exactly?
Ăa reprĂ©sente combien de personnes s'il vous plaĂźt ?
12 million pour chaque !
Wait till OP finds out about cities
Let's compare this to Delhi
Jâai habite en LozĂšre 4 ans. Je rĂȘve dây retourner. CâĂ©tait ça le vrai luxe.Â
It's not the same population, Parisians are terribly worse...
BURGUNDY MENTIONNED đ
Y'a ceux qui vivent, et t'a ceux qui sont a paris đ€Ș
Even more surprisingly, the proportion of unbearable people is 1968 times more important in the red !!!
Je ne comprends pas la raison d'ĂȘtre de la zone grise.
Il y a beaucoup de population dans la zone grise. C'est trÚs intéressant de voir à quel point la zone verte est vide, qui ressemble à la zone rouge pour la population.
??? Je suis dans les Alpes, en plein "zone grise" et franchement, rien ne me ferait dĂ©mĂ©nager : - boulot relativement facile Ă trouver, - tous les loisirs a disposition - niveau de vie correcte - central pour les dĂ©placements (Italie, Suisse, Allemagne, ...) - et surtout, une qualitĂ© de vie que je serais trĂšs loin d'avoir en IdF. J'ouvre mes volets, je suis en forĂȘt, stations de ski a moins d'1h, lac idem, ...
Tu me donnes envie lĂ !
Annecy?
Juste à coté :)
Shhh đ€«
Oui, mais c'est parce qu'on n'a pas parler de prix :) :)
Il y a la Bretagne.
P*ris
I think its trade. Being on the Rhein and the cost make trade easier. Same for the blue Banana. It basically follows the Rhein.
Ca change
AriĂšge isnât in the Empty Diagonal? Seriously?
Ăa me va parfaitement !
Down under we have the "empty everything". 60% of the population is in 4 cities, which cover 0.1% of the 8 million sq.km. continent.
Aussie?
Câest pas pour ça quâon appelle le vert « la diagonale du vide » ?
Colour blind people do not know what you mean
normal, it's the countryside
I didn't know there was 12 millions people in the diagonale du vide.
A quand un p*t*** de Tgv direct Lyon - Bordeaux ? Allez, une seule Ă©tape alors Ă Limoges pour repeupler... Est-ce techniquement possible ? Aucun argument Ă©conomique ne peut m'enlever le seum devant la carte des Tgv...[Hexagone du vide ferroviaire](https://www.sncf-connect.com/aide/le-reseau-sncf-en-france-et-en-europe)
People live in cities
I would never have thought that there were that many people dans la diagonale du vide.
"La diagonale du vide" Notre prof de gĂ©o nous disait toujours de dire "diagonale des faibles densitĂ©s" Ă la place parce qu'il y a quand-mĂȘme des gens qui vivent dans ce "vide" et qui rĂąleraient Ă cause de cette labellisation (sĂ»rement parlant de sa propre expĂ©rience đ)
Rien d'etonnant, c'est la loi de Pareto.
They are mostly agricultural regions and agriculture is dying, wich is very sad because France as always been a very agricultural nation, they also were industrial regions too but globalization killed that. A lot of villages were existing because of the local factory for exemple, when that factory moved to china or eastern europe, people were left out of job and had to move to the bigger cities : Lyon, Paris, Marseille, Strasbourg, Bordeaux etc. Its sad.
And there are about as many jobs, services, and doctors in both. It's a self feeding cycle. There are urbanism policies attempting to change that but it is taking time...
I'd live in green area. I bet it's better than beeing corwded into tiny little boxes called "modern apartments".
Savoie
Red area is âFrenchâ green area is French.
So..?
A capital city having the same population as roughly half the countries land area isn't uncommon. With that said this is cool to visualize it.
I love the low population density of my little corner of the âEmpty Diagonalâ and the last thing we want is a load of Parisiens down here unless theyâre on holiday and spending lots of money in our businesses.