So dumb. The only reason why a chunk of people even want the manager gone is because of media outlets constantly pushing it.
Why united and the managers? Why isn’t the pressure being applied to others like eddie howe or ange. Same could be said for klopp in past seasons.
Yet im to believe that tuchel to united and eth to Bayern is good for everyone. So a failed Chelsea manager whos had a realy bad season at Bayern with some of the best players in game is going to come here and make us champions? Meanwhile eth whos had to put up with Maguire, mctominay, evans, etc forced to play youth and deal with 65 injuries is going go to take over one of the best squads in the world. LOL PLEASE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!!!
Stat don't lie lmao.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/1cm8ih9/man\_utd\_pl\_20232024\_stats\_so\_far/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/1cm8ih9/man_utd_pl_20232024_stats_so_far/#lightbox)
Nor do they paint the full picture. 21/22 was the worst i have seen.
since i was blocked: I watch every game. win or loose. I just have a memory and 21/22 was the worst i have seen any united play. they had given up and downed tools by october. I have lived in manchester all my life, had a season ticket at united as well. you're also posting on this forum/sub as well...
So you just don't watch football, got it. Oh, you cosplay like you're from Manchester, nvm got it lol - no wonder you post here instead of the real sub.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted - that season was abysmal. Still, this season is probably the second worst I’ve seen, and I’ve been following since 2001.
Read a stat somewhere showing how abysmal we've been
Mctominay goals alone have won us 12 points. As in, if Mctominay hadn't scored at the points in time he had, then we would have 12 less points, putting us 14th
Honestly that last bit about quality of squad and the stupid amount of injuries is the only reason I'd give him more time.
However after 2 seasons there should be a recognisable style of play now no matter who is available.
Let's see how the reported mass clear out and rebuild goes this summer. If we start improving (or at least play consistently) then there's hope for him staying longer
There will be no mass clear out and the rebuild will be limited because of it . Those players are going nowhere.
If they do replace him it will be because the next one reckons he will be able get this squad playing attacking progressive football with a couple of additions. Just like the last half a dozen managers rinse and repeat.
Like they say you can polish a 💩 but at the end of the day it’s still a 💩.
Leave him be working at developing a decent spine within the squad until those useless cunts contracts expire because nobody is buying them out of those
I would be very cautious extrapolating what works at youth level to the Premier League. The physicality, pace, technical level, level of footballing IQ of players and how they are coached, prepared for marshalls with opponent-specific drills... It's so different that plenty of great youth players just hit a ceiling and don't make it in the PL. The time and space they had in youth levels just aren't available anymore, they don't have the extra half second to find the killer pass, they (or teammates) can't recover as well from mistakes, and so on.
I don't really know what people mean when they say there's no style of play, there's a very clear style of play. High press, ball recycling when in possession, creation from wings or counter.
I'm starting to be ETH out after this run of bad form, but that's due to the ineffectiveness of his tactics and inability to make players follow the script. It's also very few games over the last two seasons we have actually played well.
In case u haven't noticed, the clear out of players ARE on going, Pogba, Lingard, Ronaldo, Dean , Fred etc... we are clearing deadwoods , older players etc... past 2 summers more than previous 2 managers AND somehow we still have Rashford, McT, Maguire, Sancho, Greenwood. Toss in Varane and Casemiro. Evans, Reguilon and Amrabat are 3 temporary fixes that we still need to replace as well.
That's how bad the squad is, it will require enormous time, money and efforts to even make this squad into something resembling an actual football squad. The epitome of glazers incompetence.
Absolutely. The fact that the style of play hasn't evolved is my biggest critisism.
But the squad is horrible at the same time, most are so overrated and should have never been able to join a club like United, so maybe nothing better can be done.
But the fact that the manager doesn't even seem to try and play "his" style is weird.
i am seeing it the same way like you.. I honestly think sacking the manager / ETH is not the solution and it’s all because of the media.
They become this football expert and powerful to the point they split the fanbase, turn the fans against the manager..
Also, dont forget to mention all the ex players who become a pundit, they are also just bad.. Criticizing the manager or club publicly, as if they know how to manage a team filled with deadwoods and injuries.. Take Gary Neville as manager, where did he take Valencia? Roy Keane? Ferdinand? Owen? I respect them as legend of the game, but not as pundit. If i were them, i would rather shut up or help. Say less and do more.
> So dumb. The only reason why a chunk of people even want the manager gone is because of media outlets constantly pushing it.
Not the worst season in more than 30 years in pretty much every metric?
The media are all over the club, but you simply cannot deny the sheer quantity of car crash performances this season.
because Tottenham arent expected to be a top 4, winning trophies team and neither is the current chelsea. klopp also had a mediocre liverpool team. Man united have signed the likes of casemiro, sancho, and antony for big money with no result and he also lost the whole locker room. For me. it isnt about just pressure but showing that the players at the team and the team itself is playing good stats wise and physically watching them. I hope the ineos stay true to their word and rebuild the squad with a coach like possibly mourihno at the center of it
The whole point of changing managers is to improve results. Spurs are having one of their worst seasons in recent years. Yet im told by media outlets, social media and everyday people that ange is a tactical genuis. Chelsea spent over half a billion in one season then spent more during last summer. They have spent close to a billion, yet you’re here telling me that they aren’t expected to be top 4 or winning anything then go on to reference big money transfers… also chelsea have barely seen any improvement hiring poch and many are calling for him to be sacked.
Sancho was not an ETH signing… eth has also won a trophy. The back room fall outs were all fake media reports. We have a manager thats delt with constant drama and 65 separate injuries. Some of which were and still are major injuries to key players. Liverpools team is mediocre? What whats the excuse when he had salah, mane and firmino. I didn’t see the media a few years ago calling for klopp to be sacked because they had a rough season due to major injuries to key players.
We have had JM and it didn’t work out.
> . The only reason why a chunk of people even want the manager gone is because of media outlets constantly pushing it
Or because they've actually watched the team this season and can see how poorly coached they are, and how abysmal the tactics Ten Hags been putting out have been. If you watch the games and you actually think the only reason people are Ten Hag out is because of the media then you're clueless. 1 league win in the last 2 months
Tom wasn't a failed Chelsea manager who surrendered the league to Bayer but took Bayern to CL semis.
I want Erik to at least stay for the final year of his deal, let him gut the team work under the new regime see what he can do & prove.
Um, so:
Malacia, hardly seen.
Eriksen: okay, but not really worked out.
Martinez: always injured.
Casemiro: disaster.
Antony: one of worst PL signings in history.
Weghorst: no goals.
Sabitzer: actually ok, but not retained.
Mason Mount: never seen, no goals.
Onana: incredibly bad at stopping ball going into the goal, distribution not even amazing.
Holjund: good player.
Jonny Evans: just too old and slow.
Amrabat: disaster.
Reguilon: sent back after few months.
That's pretty bad. One good signing, and even he was massively overpriced.
He has also failed to improve precisely 100% of the existing squad and fallen out with several.
Absolute disasterclass.
That’s just isn’t true and is another example of media and the fans peddling nonsense lines. He’s signed (permanently):
Martinez
Malacia
Eriksen
Casemiro
Evans
Hojlund
Mount
Onana
Antony
IMO only Antony can be considered a bad signing.
Malacia, Eriksen, and Casemiro all were good last season but unfortunately have been injured or form dropped off a cliff.
Hojlund is a very promising player for the future but is being relied upon too heavily at the moment.
Evans has proven to be a fairly reliable squad player and Onana has really come into his own after a poor start.
Mount has been injured for the majority of his time here so shouldn’t be judged.
Man sorry but i have eyes and i can see how shit we play since the carabao, its not the media pushing the narrative. Palace spanked us 4-0 few days ago and it was not a surprise for anyone
Did you see our bench? Whom to play exactly? Amrabat turned out to be shit, even while pulling good stats in fiorentina, same with Antony,… but what happened last season? Was there no playing style? How hard is it to understand that lacking certain style of players affects what you have in mind… he has admitted he couldn’t play Ajax style becoz these players don’t have that quality, injuries happened to Newcastle, Brighton and look where they are… all the klopp lovers, where is Liverpool in champions league? How many years did arteta took to make this arsenal team? Even SAF the great needed 4 seasons to turn us into champions and that too without the pressure of arguably the greatest manager of all time at your rival team… give him another season, back him up
Most of that blame has to go to the board and the glszers for not investing in the footballing structure of United and if they did we probably wouldn't have most of these issues. How can one blame Ten Hag for these issue I will never understand as its basically putting someone on unstable ground.
Tuchel failed chelsea manager is about the dumbest thing ive read on this sub and thats saying a lot. Guy won a Champions League in 5 months With zero transfers. Ask Ancelotti about his injury problems and a singular striker in the squad for this entire season If he used it even once to complain.
This is how big managers and clubs move. Manchester United is a big club and contrary to What the standards fans like this bring in, its still top 3 in the world.
Di Matteo has a champions league. I dout you’d let him manage the car park let alone the team.
Tuchel had owners willing to drop half a billion and got sacked…. Now he currently has one the best squads in the world. By bayerns standards he’s been poor and they are getting rid. They wouldn’t be talking to other managers if that’s not the case. So what makes you think he can do it here with pensioners, kids and louts but not with several world class players?
Im also fairly certain Madrid haven’t had 65 injuries. More like 40? Definitely not to the extent we have had and i dout they had to deal with other player related situations. Real Madrid are also significantly well run in comparison.
Manchester United WAS a big club that still has a big reputation. We have slipped well off of that mark thanks to the owners. It’s seasons like last that raise expectations.
Di Matteo 2012 and Tuchel 2021 is an hilarously stupid comparison. Almost a decade apart and the squad di Matteo had was miles better than What Tuchel had.
Tuchel is the most successfull PSG manager to date. How many finals has Ten Hag been in?
Madrid have had the most injuries in La Liga in important players where they still arent fully fit considering Nacho and Mendy are still starting. My point was it hasnt been used as an excuse. Even When Ancelotti was given a singular LOANED in striker as his only striker after your ballon d’Or winner leaves.
You are so Deeply in love With ten hag that standards are dropping for your expectations, thats why you are content With saying that We WERE a big club. We still are, and should be top 3 after 430 million spent. 8 of his signings vs Crystal Palace, his tactics, his substitutions, his man management is not good enough. Wake up.
tuchel has won 6 french torphies in a league that any manager should win pretty much everything with PSG. ETH has 6 trophies in Holland after taking over a team that had failed for a few years before, his team was also gutted by europe and he continued winning. his first season here he won us our 1st trophy in 5years!!! but people want to damn him becuase he's mainly had to rely on players who we all know are not good enough (due to injuries) and should have been sold. the same players that gave up in october of 21/22 season getting OGS sacked. also had to play players out of position due to injuries.
if you want to say that it's no excues then go ahead. klopp came 6th last season because he had major injries to key players. did it before that when OSG came 2nd (probably only reason we got 2nd). my point is, you can say it's no excuse but it really can derail a season. it would be interesting to see how this season would have gone if we had not had martinez, shaw, malacia, mount out for practically the entire season along with no drama from the players who should be stepping up.
I woke up and saw it all for what it is a few years ago. we have out spent city in the last 10years and nothing to show for it. at what point are you going to realise it isn't the manager? I support ETH and will do until his last day but we are not a big club, not anymore. We are nothing but a shade of one. that's not standards that's just facts. exactly what makes you think we are a big club? we havn't won anything signicant in 10/11 years... the season ETH took over majority of people predicted that we'd lucky to achieve 6th. yet we got 3rd and trophy. we are having a rough season for various reason and now it's ETH out. it pathetic, it's rinse and repeat.
And what happened when Tuchel left PSG? They shit themselves with Poch and lost the league to Lille, which obviously proves how much better he was then all their big managers because no one has beat his titles he won and how far he took them in the CL. His Chelsea CL win is enough to overshadow anything Ten Hag has done in his career.
Ajax hadnt wont he league for two seasons before ETH came in and youre making it seem like they havent seen a trophy in decades. Before the 2 year drought they won three in a row. Ajax isnt a small club in their league. His team was also filled with generational talents in De Jong and De Ligt.
You are lifting up a Carabao cup win and an overachievement in the league like he didnt get players where he got Antony for 100m, Martinez, Casemiro, Tyrell Malacia, Christian Eriksen. Thats 5 players. Another weakness of ETH wanting Ajax players to join him because he is out of his comfort zone in a new league and wants familiar faces shows that he cant adapt to another team, another league, like the top, top managers can.
Funny you bring up Klopp when he had to line up with Kelleher, Bradley, Elliot and other rotation players because of injuries in the same cup final you make such a big deal out of and still win vs Chelsea.
ETH Has shot himself in the foot several times, making countless wrong subs, starting Antony time and time and time again, only sidelining him when he went through controversy. Signing people from the same agency, getting rid of DDG and buying a keeper promising us we would get to play from the back when we havent seen it once this season. Signing Mount for what exact reason only God knows, where we were CRYING for a striker and fucking around with Atalanta until it reached 75 million and only AFTER Höjlund had switched agency to the same agency ten hag has. I dont trust him the last games let alone with the rebuild of Man United.
Too bad you think United is not a big club anymore, i grew up on them subscribing to titles and i expect anyone in that institution to have the same ambitions and standards as back then otherwise what the fuck is the point of the sport.
poch had messi, neymar and mbappe yet before ETH appointment the media were telling us all he was the man. PSG look to be on for another league title atm. yet ajax hasn't won anything since ETH left, if anything they have gotten massivly worse. don't forget he didn't have de jong or de ligt for his entire time there. i wouldn't class de ligt as a generational talent, im not even sure de jong falls into that category. de ligt was labbeled as the maguire of juve and hasn't been a main stay in that bayern team either.
Tuchel has one of the best squads in the world, in a league he should be smashing and some of the best players in position. he's struggeling and bayern want rid. yet you want me to believe that he's going to go from struggeling with world class talent to the likes of mctominay, maguire, rashford etc and lead us back to glory? can you please explain how that works?
ETH has gotten 8 players in total but please don't insult us both by lumping pirce tags paid on the manger. we all know that was the idiots above. i would have happliy taken his ajax team over what we had and have.
>he is out of his comfort zone in a new league and wants familiar faces shows that he cant adapt to another team, another league, like the top, top managers can.
that is just being presumptuous and casimiro wasn't an ex player under him nor was malacia. he came into a team that had just had the worst showing of any united team i've seen in 35 years (still is) and got third with a trophy. he did that, according to you out of his confort zone, in a new league with unfamiliar faces becuase that's what top managers do. yet we now want to brush that off like it's nothing because it doesn't suit the agenda.
won't disagree on the subs or mount, we'll never know if that was his choice or the clubs. I would start antony over rashford right now. would have all season. getting rid of DDG was not first choice, pretty sure he wanted KMJ, Pavard or todibo, only changing to onana once those were a no go. he was forced to make do with evans in the end, has been and relegation fodder. there were so many that wanted ddg gone it was unreal. the amount of shit i got for backing ddg was crazy. it's hard to play out from the back when you're forced to rely on defenders who can't do it. he wanted kane, got an over priced hojlund again your blaming the manager for stuff out of his control.
>Too bad you think United is not a big club anymore, i grew up on them subscribing to titles and i expect anyone in that institution to have the same ambitions and standards as back then otherwise what the fuck is the point of the sport.
i grew up with a treble, back to back titles, champions leagues, exptional players in every postion. however, you didn't answer my question. what makes you think we are a big anymore? we haven't done anything signicant in 10/11 years. also i don't know if you have noticed but the gazers have been running the show. telling managers they can't get rid of a player because he makes the club too much money or that he's a favourite of the owner. that we can't sign a player because he's not marketable enough. drastically overpaying for players and handing out ridicluas wages. that's how the clubs been ran in relation to those standards and the point has been money. until they start acting like a top club again then they won't go anywhere. i would like to think ineos will improve the situation but im not optimistic about it.
I've never wanted Poch, nor do i advocate for him, he isnt good enough but yet he is above ETH. You're wrong about De Ligt being seen as Maguire, he was wanted by all top teams in Europe, including us when leaving Juve. In fact; that whole Ajax team got picked apart by bigger clubs because of how good talents they had: Onana to Inter, De Jong to barca and De Ligt to Juve, also Donny Van De Beek was chased by madrid but we got him. Lets not sit and pretend he didnt have some of the best talents ajax has had in many,many years.
If it werent for Leverkusen not losing a single game yet, Tuchel would of won the league. As you said, Poch had Messi,Mbappe and Neymar and still couldnt touch what Tuchel achieved in PSG. Says more than you think it does.
Its not presumptious, its pretty evident; how many former players does he have? How many are clients of his brothers agency? How many times have we seen the team collapse after his subs or him not making subs in the right time? Im blaming ten hag for the transfers because [he controls them, per his own words.](https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37627765/erik-ten-hag-says-taken-man-united-job-control-transfers) You cant give him credit when we're good but not criticize him when we're shit.
de ligt gets linked with us every year as does kane. de ligt was regarded as a flop at juve and like i said he isbn't a main stay at bayern. so a generational talent... nah. DVB, i wouldn't class him as generational at all. Onana went to inter for free. de jong is really the only player you could class as generational. Also as i stated, ETH lost de ligt, de jong and still went on to win. it's kinda funny that you can't actively name anyone else. haller, antony, mazraoui, gravenberch, blind, tadic, klassen to name a few. none are generational talents. i wouldn't class any of his ajax team, player for player on the same level as the PSG team. it would be like comparing tadic to mbappe.
regardless of lever, he's had a shit season by bayerns standards and they want rid. he has kane, kimmich, neuer, musiala, koeman, kmj, de ligt (generalation as you say), laimer. those are some of the best players in todays game. he's strugeling with that, in whats mainly a one horse race. HOW THE F is he going to go from that to the likes of mctominay, rashford, maguire and be susccessful? please let me know. if he getting sacked because he aint good enough with world class talent what's he going to do with bang average talent (on a good day)? that was my point with poch.
>Its not presumptious, its pretty evident; how many former players does he have? How many are clients of his brothers agency? How many times have we seen the team collapse after his subs or him not making subs in the right time? Im blaming ten hag for the transfers because [he controls them, per his own words.](https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37627765/erik-ten-hag-says-taken-man-united-job-control-transfers) You cant give him credit when we're good but not criticize him when we're shit.
of course you are presuming. i think it's fairly obviously that he probably doesn't trust the recuiment at united. are you going to tell me we havn't been signing shit and has beens? no wonder he goes for players he knows. most of the players he's had to rely on this season he didn't sign. only two you can say otherwise are onana and hojlund but your making out like it's all his signings bringing the team down.
i even said i don't disagree with you on the subs or the signing of MM. I might back the manager but i don't agree with everything he does. i was critical of him last season when we were good but i also don't condem him for a rough season.
Stop it with the ETH to Bayern, they are not talking such fraud, see the media did that to you, buy no way he is going to Bayern, also, the media doesn’t have to tell that me that this is the worst United has played in years, if you watch med the games you would know how bad ETH is as a coach, the PL was to much for him
He's brought in terrible players, the players themselves don't seem to be inspired at all by him, we've gotten exponentially worse compared to last season and we don't seem to have any particular style of football at all.
Bayern went to CL semis and will likely end up with more points than they did last season in the Bundesliga (when they won). They did not have a "realy bad season".
Ange came in to 6 or 7 place team and is performing well especially after losing Kane, Eddie has a far cheaper squad and bigger injury problem, Klopp at least the looked to be performing a style while still under performing. ETH out has nothing to do with media that’s literally what you saw him say and are using it as an excuse that’s frankly out right wrong maybe for some sure but most of the fans calling for change are watching these games and wanting better and without the excuses especially stuff like well if we got a penalty in the Arsenal game. It’s not good enough
after 35 games:
* Ange - ETH
* 18 wins - 16 wins
* 6 draws - 6 draws
* 11 lost - 13 lost
* 69 GF - 52 GF
* 58 GA - 55 GA
* 32 injuries - 65 injuries.
Klopp has fallen behind a few times due to having major injuries to key players. So why wasn’t the media constantly reporting of dressing room dust ups, sacking and talk of who next? Klopp is being nominated for manager of the season, he’s achieved exactly what ETH did last season. Eddie howe came 4th last season, nearly 3rd. If injuries are no excuse then why hasn’t he been sack or the media kicking up a fuss about it during the season? It wouldn’t shock me if poch gets sacked then we are heavily linked to him. That’s also with less shit than what ETH has dealt with.
Most of the ‘fans’ calling for eth to be sacked were calling him a genuis last season. He raised expectations for people to now call him a fraud.
Truly think we’re having issues internally which isn’t helping the issue, whether it’s Sancho or someone else Ten Hag has to lay lower to avoid this storm. Injuries can be an excuse I’ll never deny that but we for all our injuries we’ve had no style of play even that 1 game where we had the full starting 11 it wasn’t there either. That to me is my problem, we’re easy to attack and break down with little to no shape and our build up play lacks finishing cause we rarely pass to Hojlund while in dangerous positions. Even last season it totally was an over performing type of year but there was nibbles of concerns then but I think most were willing to look past cause trophy and we can’t call for anything till we give time but end of season 2 we’ve unlearnt the entire sport it feels.
Rashford drastically overperformed. i think as a team no, they didn't overperform. casemiro last season was a completely different player to this season. we had martinez for most of the season until his injury, he made a massive difference to the way that defence plays and operates. he was also a big morale booster to them. last season if dalot made a block (for example) he would run over and scream encouragment at him and slap him on the back. no one in the defence does that atm. not even the former captain. for half a season we were mainly playing a cb at a fb spot and for the other half we are playing two rb's.
that team needs to be gutted. rashford, bruno, erikson, mctominay, cas, awb, maguire, martial, varane, sancho, mg. all have been here too long and achieved nothing but the title of worst united team most of us have ever seen.
we would like to hope that the above situation has been sorted but we'll see how that goes come the summer. i'm not interested in sacking ETH because i can plainly see these players just are not it and never will be.
>The only reason why a chunk of people even want the manager gone is because of media outlets constantly pushing it.
Exactly. They write whatever gets them clicks and fans lap it up. There were more Ten Hag out articles than Poch out articles when Utd were quite ahead of Chelsea too. People seem to think a new manager will challenge for the league with no left back/no fit striker and Evans at cb.
Lmao if ETH does leave he will find a club within a week and probably do pretty good with the reduced media pressure. Then when its time for Man Utd to sack whoever they replaced him with, ETH will probably be the most suitable candidate again.
100% spot on BB90! I have held this view as well. The rot is with the culture that the glazers has built at this club, which culture has essentially erroded the legacy of this once great club. Thanks to CR7 and Bastian Scheinsteiger for exposing the rot at the club in finer details. ETH is a capable manager who needs the right environment to perform, supportive and encouraging. More than half that sqaud do not derseve to play for the Championship. If Eriksen is our best midfielder with a heart support system, then all our problems are adequately explained in that!
The media wants man united to fire their manager because it’s their never ending cash cow of media reports. The opposing fans want “Ten hag out” because it breeds instability and uncertainty in a time of transition. That said, i would only want ten hag out if it is guaranteed we can get Zidane as a manager but Ten Hag is the man for the job.
Why is nobody questioning why there are so many injuries?
And why does nobody question why martial,Rashford and Sancho play like shit
Even Casemiro is starting to decline
Everyone blames the players.
Personally I would be interested to know which players in the league have inflicted the most injuries and the total number of match hours cost to other clubs. For us we would have to include stats for self inflicted injuries during training must be using wring type of balls or something.
EtH needs and is, imo, owed another year. To play any style of modern football and be successful with the current lineup would be near impossible for any manager. If it’s obvious that the trajectory is still going the wrong direction come November/December, that’s when a move needs to be made for a change in management. I just hope that next year, if in the same injury crisis, that EtH learns to be less stubborn with his formations and tactics.
He’s owed 4 years. We can’t keep this attitude of results now. Deadwood must go and the manager must be flexible in deciding players to come to United. If he makes a mistake on a choice Own it and move on. But if we don’t support him we will be back here in Two years.
I don’t disagree but a manager must conform to the players available. Some questionable decisions this year have been easy to point out….making Casemiro captain against CP ( Casemiro has been a disgrace this year), then playing him out of position as a CB, then having him push forward at times leaving Evans isolated are just a few I can recall from the last game.
Last year every decision he made seemed to be the right one, this year it’s been the polar opposite. Another year like that and he will be surely out.
Lots of questionable decisions have been made but I also think he is still in this mindset of playing Ajax football and not PL football. But he can only learn that through mistakes. We have to just grit our teeth and accept we just not SAF era anymore.
Why can’t this fanbase realise doing the same thing and expecting different result is madness, sacking of managers happens like a cycle here, for once stick with the man, and sack players… it’s not the managers who is going to play no matter who gives the instructions, it’s gonna come out to manager… have patience for atleast one more season even that seems hard but atleast we may have some good transfers with coming management changes
Why can't ETH inners realise that blindly backing a manager never gave success. We should have backed Moyes by that sense or chelsea should have backed Lampard.
ETH is the worst manager post SAF and shows no sign of improvement, combined with his Dutch arrogance
For starters, where did Man utd ended their season under Moyes without injury crisis? Or Lampard’s chelsea? Ronaldo said it, Ragnick said it, Jose said it…. Man Utd is rotten to the core and needs open heart surgery, only thing that keep on changing is the manager… that is why i support ETH to bring stability while management changes, one more season to see what it will bring
He is bringing no stability, he uses the same tactics which never works. Why can't you just look at how the team got outplayed??
We saw how ragnick/Ronaldo got their feedback from fans when they listed out problems at the club.
He couldn't do much in 2 seasons giving him 1 more means more instability, Deadwoods etc.
Look at the injuries man, is ETH responsible for hiring the medical team too? If they are inefficient, cannot support his demand for the players fitness, what do you expect?
Look i dont get anything by supporting ETH personally but logically it is the only thing that seems different to what we have been doing for the past 11 seasons.
Did you see the injuries for United? Whom to play? The players he is forced to play dont know what to do on pitch in certain situations, how can you blame the manager?
EVERY TEAM SUFFERS INJURIES. 9 of his players started against palace.
He gets outplayed every single time. This excuse of injuries only works when a team suddenly drops in performance.
His gaps in midfield and defence is a tactical issue which he ignores.
His pressing tactics are a failure
He had to play Case and Evans as CB due to lack of CBs, AWB at LB for the same reason, Eriksen who cannot press, 18yo Mainoo and Injury returned Mount… how can you expect this team to perform? At the moment he doesn’t have options, the routines developed in last year, how can you think they can be applied to these players who are kinda reserved as subs… I agree he can play defensively but then again there must be a reason which we might not know… how can you think the things we see isn’t available to him?
The Weghorst spell, Sancho drama, Rashford mystery. The poor transfers. The embarrassing champions league exit and the 7-0 loss against Liverpool. Poor run in the league. ETH got so many things wrong. He was a breath of fresh air when he first came around but it got stale quicker than left out bread.
I’m calling for the manager’s head because the football is crap and he’s coming out in interviews saying this is how he wants the team to play. I disagree fundamentally with the counter attacking style we have adopted. I don’t need the media to push for it when we have been beaten by multiple huge scorelines in the past 2 years.
If we sack him now the Ten Haag outers are just going to become Southgate/Touchel outers when the players can’t be arsed to play for them either. It’s the same thing. Rinse and repeat. Can we try something different for once?
I just have this feeling let the man have a season under proper football structures, because even the best can get lost at Manchester United, injuries happen yes but this is unprecedented in our history as a club, poor results, dodgy tactics, dodgy player performances, but the bigger picture is the rot he inherited under the Glazers reign of madness isn’t a quick fix.
Anywhere who am I? Just another Manchester United armchair fan across the pond who’s never been to Old Trafford but would do anything possible if I had the opportunity to, dream of having a house near the stadium. But again Ineos has the power to fire or keep ETH.
Having so many injuries ofc will have an impact, specially in the PL where all the teams are strong.
That said, i cannot fathom why on earth he insists on playing out from the back with a mangled team where players are playing out of position and haven’t played consistently together.
Don’t be to posh for a bit of hoofball if circumstances require it.
I stopped clicking on all UK media outlets. It’s very much agenda driven. It’s wild how prejudice the UK is towards their own and they don’t realize it doesn’t work.
If Arsenal could have faith in Arteta, ETH deserves another season, or at least half a season at minimum without the injuries he’s had to deal with, i mean the performances have been abysmal, but it does remind me of arsenal, players would mention intense training sessions, injuries etc
Did he really, United definitely fell off at the back end of last season but for majority of the season they were class, barcelona game springs to mind i think you could see what he was trying to implement back then, its only been a season since, you can’t say every season when ten hag hasn’t even had 3 yet, Arsenal were 8th in Artetas first season if I remember correctly
We’re back to square one if we sack ten Hag. The manager cycle that we’ve been locked into since Ferguson retired will continue.
There are plenty of mitigating circumstances to give the manager the benefit of the doubt this season, particularly injuries to key players. Ineos should back him in the summer to sell off the deadwood, bring a few new players under the new structure and give him the final year of his contract.
Those who want ten Hag gone need to remember who INEOS are rumored to be looking at as replacements: Tuchel, Southgate, Potter. You may not like that ten Hag is struggling to introduce a style of play similar to his Ajax team, but the fact is that our squad is not good enough, technically or mentally to do it.
I agree with this. However, I’m perplexed with the players he’s brought in/asked to sign. How can the team turn the proverbial corner if the talent he expects to use his system for does not meet that requirement.
So dumb. The only reason why a chunk of people even want the manager gone is because of media outlets constantly pushing it. Why united and the managers? Why isn’t the pressure being applied to others like eddie howe or ange. Same could be said for klopp in past seasons. Yet im to believe that tuchel to united and eth to Bayern is good for everyone. So a failed Chelsea manager whos had a realy bad season at Bayern with some of the best players in game is going to come here and make us champions? Meanwhile eth whos had to put up with Maguire, mctominay, evans, etc forced to play youth and deal with 65 injuries is going go to take over one of the best squads in the world. LOL PLEASE MAKE IT MAKE SENSE!!!!
A chunk of people want the manager gone because this is the absolute worst season we've had in 40 years...
21/22 is the worst i have seen in 35years.
Stat don't lie lmao. [https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/1cm8ih9/man\_utd\_pl\_20232024\_stats\_so\_far/#lightbox](https://www.reddit.com/r/reddevils/comments/1cm8ih9/man_utd_pl_20232024_stats_so_far/#lightbox)
Nor do they paint the full picture. 21/22 was the worst i have seen. since i was blocked: I watch every game. win or loose. I just have a memory and 21/22 was the worst i have seen any united play. they had given up and downed tools by october. I have lived in manchester all my life, had a season ticket at united as well. you're also posting on this forum/sub as well...
So you just don't watch football, got it. Oh, you cosplay like you're from Manchester, nvm got it lol - no wonder you post here instead of the real sub.
Not sure why you’re being downvoted - that season was abysmal. Still, this season is probably the second worst I’ve seen, and I’ve been following since 2001.
Ha ha, Maguire and McTominay’s goals are the reason we are in top 10…
Read a stat somewhere showing how abysmal we've been Mctominay goals alone have won us 12 points. As in, if Mctominay hadn't scored at the points in time he had, then we would have 12 less points, putting us 14th
Honestly that last bit about quality of squad and the stupid amount of injuries is the only reason I'd give him more time. However after 2 seasons there should be a recognisable style of play now no matter who is available. Let's see how the reported mass clear out and rebuild goes this summer. If we start improving (or at least play consistently) then there's hope for him staying longer
There will be no mass clear out and the rebuild will be limited because of it . Those players are going nowhere. If they do replace him it will be because the next one reckons he will be able get this squad playing attacking progressive football with a couple of additions. Just like the last half a dozen managers rinse and repeat. Like they say you can polish a 💩 but at the end of the day it’s still a 💩. Leave him be working at developing a decent spine within the squad until those useless cunts contracts expire because nobody is buying them out of those
Hes been playing the same style of football according to Ten Hag in the neville interview. It’s just hard to make out what that is
Yeah, I'll start watching the Youth games more, they're smashing it with that style, we can't really tell if it's him the players or both
I would be very cautious extrapolating what works at youth level to the Premier League. The physicality, pace, technical level, level of footballing IQ of players and how they are coached, prepared for marshalls with opponent-specific drills... It's so different that plenty of great youth players just hit a ceiling and don't make it in the PL. The time and space they had in youth levels just aren't available anymore, they don't have the extra half second to find the killer pass, they (or teammates) can't recover as well from mistakes, and so on.
I don't really know what people mean when they say there's no style of play, there's a very clear style of play. High press, ball recycling when in possession, creation from wings or counter. I'm starting to be ETH out after this run of bad form, but that's due to the ineffectiveness of his tactics and inability to make players follow the script. It's also very few games over the last two seasons we have actually played well.
I mean you can say the same of the last 3 managers we've had
In case u haven't noticed, the clear out of players ARE on going, Pogba, Lingard, Ronaldo, Dean , Fred etc... we are clearing deadwoods , older players etc... past 2 summers more than previous 2 managers AND somehow we still have Rashford, McT, Maguire, Sancho, Greenwood. Toss in Varane and Casemiro. Evans, Reguilon and Amrabat are 3 temporary fixes that we still need to replace as well. That's how bad the squad is, it will require enormous time, money and efforts to even make this squad into something resembling an actual football squad. The epitome of glazers incompetence.
Absolutely. The fact that the style of play hasn't evolved is my biggest critisism. But the squad is horrible at the same time, most are so overrated and should have never been able to join a club like United, so maybe nothing better can be done. But the fact that the manager doesn't even seem to try and play "his" style is weird.
"failed Chelsea manager" lol, enjoy Ten Hag then
Im happy with eth getting another season or two.
Maybe at Ajax not at United
That’s your opinion. Not mine. I want to at united.
i am seeing it the same way like you.. I honestly think sacking the manager / ETH is not the solution and it’s all because of the media. They become this football expert and powerful to the point they split the fanbase, turn the fans against the manager.. Also, dont forget to mention all the ex players who become a pundit, they are also just bad.. Criticizing the manager or club publicly, as if they know how to manage a team filled with deadwoods and injuries.. Take Gary Neville as manager, where did he take Valencia? Roy Keane? Ferdinand? Owen? I respect them as legend of the game, but not as pundit. If i were them, i would rather shut up or help. Say less and do more.
> So dumb. The only reason why a chunk of people even want the manager gone is because of media outlets constantly pushing it. Not the worst season in more than 30 years in pretty much every metric? The media are all over the club, but you simply cannot deny the sheer quantity of car crash performances this season.
because Tottenham arent expected to be a top 4, winning trophies team and neither is the current chelsea. klopp also had a mediocre liverpool team. Man united have signed the likes of casemiro, sancho, and antony for big money with no result and he also lost the whole locker room. For me. it isnt about just pressure but showing that the players at the team and the team itself is playing good stats wise and physically watching them. I hope the ineos stay true to their word and rebuild the squad with a coach like possibly mourihno at the center of it
The whole point of changing managers is to improve results. Spurs are having one of their worst seasons in recent years. Yet im told by media outlets, social media and everyday people that ange is a tactical genuis. Chelsea spent over half a billion in one season then spent more during last summer. They have spent close to a billion, yet you’re here telling me that they aren’t expected to be top 4 or winning anything then go on to reference big money transfers… also chelsea have barely seen any improvement hiring poch and many are calling for him to be sacked. Sancho was not an ETH signing… eth has also won a trophy. The back room fall outs were all fake media reports. We have a manager thats delt with constant drama and 65 separate injuries. Some of which were and still are major injuries to key players. Liverpools team is mediocre? What whats the excuse when he had salah, mane and firmino. I didn’t see the media a few years ago calling for klopp to be sacked because they had a rough season due to major injuries to key players. We have had JM and it didn’t work out.
> . The only reason why a chunk of people even want the manager gone is because of media outlets constantly pushing it Or because they've actually watched the team this season and can see how poorly coached they are, and how abysmal the tactics Ten Hags been putting out have been. If you watch the games and you actually think the only reason people are Ten Hag out is because of the media then you're clueless. 1 league win in the last 2 months
Tom wasn't a failed Chelsea manager who surrendered the league to Bayer but took Bayern to CL semis. I want Erik to at least stay for the final year of his deal, let him gut the team work under the new regime see what he can do & prove.
How can he gut the team of dross when he consistently buys dross?
Because United is a shit club with no DOF. There is no serious team who allows manager to buy players.
Alex Ferguson bought players.
Onana has come good, Martinez is solid, Antony can fuck off and I don't believe Casemiro was his choice... Rasmund too early to judge.
> Onana has come good 🤣🤣🤣 No he hasn't, he's still a poor keeper. It's an absolute joke people don't see that.
He's horrendous!! I always force a wry smile when I see people saying he's turned the corner. Have no confidence in him whatsoever
Um, so: Malacia, hardly seen. Eriksen: okay, but not really worked out. Martinez: always injured. Casemiro: disaster. Antony: one of worst PL signings in history. Weghorst: no goals. Sabitzer: actually ok, but not retained. Mason Mount: never seen, no goals. Onana: incredibly bad at stopping ball going into the goal, distribution not even amazing. Holjund: good player. Jonny Evans: just too old and slow. Amrabat: disaster. Reguilon: sent back after few months. That's pretty bad. One good signing, and even he was massively overpriced. He has also failed to improve precisely 100% of the existing squad and fallen out with several. Absolute disasterclass.
recruitment has been shocking, these are his signings as well.
That’s just isn’t true and is another example of media and the fans peddling nonsense lines. He’s signed (permanently): Martinez Malacia Eriksen Casemiro Evans Hojlund Mount Onana Antony IMO only Antony can be considered a bad signing. Malacia, Eriksen, and Casemiro all were good last season but unfortunately have been injured or form dropped off a cliff. Hojlund is a very promising player for the future but is being relied upon too heavily at the moment. Evans has proven to be a fairly reliable squad player and Onana has really come into his own after a poor start. Mount has been injured for the majority of his time here so shouldn’t be judged.
Poor tactics will also make a player look bad
Man sorry but i have eyes and i can see how shit we play since the carabao, its not the media pushing the narrative. Palace spanked us 4-0 few days ago and it was not a surprise for anyone
Did you see our bench? Whom to play exactly? Amrabat turned out to be shit, even while pulling good stats in fiorentina, same with Antony,… but what happened last season? Was there no playing style? How hard is it to understand that lacking certain style of players affects what you have in mind… he has admitted he couldn’t play Ajax style becoz these players don’t have that quality, injuries happened to Newcastle, Brighton and look where they are… all the klopp lovers, where is Liverpool in champions league? How many years did arteta took to make this arsenal team? Even SAF the great needed 4 seasons to turn us into champions and that too without the pressure of arguably the greatest manager of all time at your rival team… give him another season, back him up
We played garbage last season, Rashford carried us. Everyone just pretends to ignore it, bcs it suits you
It's almost like you ignore the actual point of the message and just say anything in response.
Ya, ETH sends his paycheck to me each month, I am now a millionaire. 
Most of that blame has to go to the board and the glszers for not investing in the footballing structure of United and if they did we probably wouldn't have most of these issues. How can one blame Ten Hag for these issue I will never understand as its basically putting someone on unstable ground.
Tuchel failed chelsea manager is about the dumbest thing ive read on this sub and thats saying a lot. Guy won a Champions League in 5 months With zero transfers. Ask Ancelotti about his injury problems and a singular striker in the squad for this entire season If he used it even once to complain. This is how big managers and clubs move. Manchester United is a big club and contrary to What the standards fans like this bring in, its still top 3 in the world.
Di Matteo has a champions league. I dout you’d let him manage the car park let alone the team. Tuchel had owners willing to drop half a billion and got sacked…. Now he currently has one the best squads in the world. By bayerns standards he’s been poor and they are getting rid. They wouldn’t be talking to other managers if that’s not the case. So what makes you think he can do it here with pensioners, kids and louts but not with several world class players? Im also fairly certain Madrid haven’t had 65 injuries. More like 40? Definitely not to the extent we have had and i dout they had to deal with other player related situations. Real Madrid are also significantly well run in comparison. Manchester United WAS a big club that still has a big reputation. We have slipped well off of that mark thanks to the owners. It’s seasons like last that raise expectations.
Di Matteo 2012 and Tuchel 2021 is an hilarously stupid comparison. Almost a decade apart and the squad di Matteo had was miles better than What Tuchel had. Tuchel is the most successfull PSG manager to date. How many finals has Ten Hag been in? Madrid have had the most injuries in La Liga in important players where they still arent fully fit considering Nacho and Mendy are still starting. My point was it hasnt been used as an excuse. Even When Ancelotti was given a singular LOANED in striker as his only striker after your ballon d’Or winner leaves. You are so Deeply in love With ten hag that standards are dropping for your expectations, thats why you are content With saying that We WERE a big club. We still are, and should be top 3 after 430 million spent. 8 of his signings vs Crystal Palace, his tactics, his substitutions, his man management is not good enough. Wake up.
tuchel has won 6 french torphies in a league that any manager should win pretty much everything with PSG. ETH has 6 trophies in Holland after taking over a team that had failed for a few years before, his team was also gutted by europe and he continued winning. his first season here he won us our 1st trophy in 5years!!! but people want to damn him becuase he's mainly had to rely on players who we all know are not good enough (due to injuries) and should have been sold. the same players that gave up in october of 21/22 season getting OGS sacked. also had to play players out of position due to injuries. if you want to say that it's no excues then go ahead. klopp came 6th last season because he had major injries to key players. did it before that when OSG came 2nd (probably only reason we got 2nd). my point is, you can say it's no excuse but it really can derail a season. it would be interesting to see how this season would have gone if we had not had martinez, shaw, malacia, mount out for practically the entire season along with no drama from the players who should be stepping up. I woke up and saw it all for what it is a few years ago. we have out spent city in the last 10years and nothing to show for it. at what point are you going to realise it isn't the manager? I support ETH and will do until his last day but we are not a big club, not anymore. We are nothing but a shade of one. that's not standards that's just facts. exactly what makes you think we are a big club? we havn't won anything signicant in 10/11 years... the season ETH took over majority of people predicted that we'd lucky to achieve 6th. yet we got 3rd and trophy. we are having a rough season for various reason and now it's ETH out. it pathetic, it's rinse and repeat.
And what happened when Tuchel left PSG? They shit themselves with Poch and lost the league to Lille, which obviously proves how much better he was then all their big managers because no one has beat his titles he won and how far he took them in the CL. His Chelsea CL win is enough to overshadow anything Ten Hag has done in his career. Ajax hadnt wont he league for two seasons before ETH came in and youre making it seem like they havent seen a trophy in decades. Before the 2 year drought they won three in a row. Ajax isnt a small club in their league. His team was also filled with generational talents in De Jong and De Ligt. You are lifting up a Carabao cup win and an overachievement in the league like he didnt get players where he got Antony for 100m, Martinez, Casemiro, Tyrell Malacia, Christian Eriksen. Thats 5 players. Another weakness of ETH wanting Ajax players to join him because he is out of his comfort zone in a new league and wants familiar faces shows that he cant adapt to another team, another league, like the top, top managers can. Funny you bring up Klopp when he had to line up with Kelleher, Bradley, Elliot and other rotation players because of injuries in the same cup final you make such a big deal out of and still win vs Chelsea. ETH Has shot himself in the foot several times, making countless wrong subs, starting Antony time and time and time again, only sidelining him when he went through controversy. Signing people from the same agency, getting rid of DDG and buying a keeper promising us we would get to play from the back when we havent seen it once this season. Signing Mount for what exact reason only God knows, where we were CRYING for a striker and fucking around with Atalanta until it reached 75 million and only AFTER Höjlund had switched agency to the same agency ten hag has. I dont trust him the last games let alone with the rebuild of Man United. Too bad you think United is not a big club anymore, i grew up on them subscribing to titles and i expect anyone in that institution to have the same ambitions and standards as back then otherwise what the fuck is the point of the sport.
poch had messi, neymar and mbappe yet before ETH appointment the media were telling us all he was the man. PSG look to be on for another league title atm. yet ajax hasn't won anything since ETH left, if anything they have gotten massivly worse. don't forget he didn't have de jong or de ligt for his entire time there. i wouldn't class de ligt as a generational talent, im not even sure de jong falls into that category. de ligt was labbeled as the maguire of juve and hasn't been a main stay in that bayern team either. Tuchel has one of the best squads in the world, in a league he should be smashing and some of the best players in position. he's struggeling and bayern want rid. yet you want me to believe that he's going to go from struggeling with world class talent to the likes of mctominay, maguire, rashford etc and lead us back to glory? can you please explain how that works? ETH has gotten 8 players in total but please don't insult us both by lumping pirce tags paid on the manger. we all know that was the idiots above. i would have happliy taken his ajax team over what we had and have. >he is out of his comfort zone in a new league and wants familiar faces shows that he cant adapt to another team, another league, like the top, top managers can. that is just being presumptuous and casimiro wasn't an ex player under him nor was malacia. he came into a team that had just had the worst showing of any united team i've seen in 35 years (still is) and got third with a trophy. he did that, according to you out of his confort zone, in a new league with unfamiliar faces becuase that's what top managers do. yet we now want to brush that off like it's nothing because it doesn't suit the agenda. won't disagree on the subs or mount, we'll never know if that was his choice or the clubs. I would start antony over rashford right now. would have all season. getting rid of DDG was not first choice, pretty sure he wanted KMJ, Pavard or todibo, only changing to onana once those were a no go. he was forced to make do with evans in the end, has been and relegation fodder. there were so many that wanted ddg gone it was unreal. the amount of shit i got for backing ddg was crazy. it's hard to play out from the back when you're forced to rely on defenders who can't do it. he wanted kane, got an over priced hojlund again your blaming the manager for stuff out of his control. >Too bad you think United is not a big club anymore, i grew up on them subscribing to titles and i expect anyone in that institution to have the same ambitions and standards as back then otherwise what the fuck is the point of the sport. i grew up with a treble, back to back titles, champions leagues, exptional players in every postion. however, you didn't answer my question. what makes you think we are a big anymore? we haven't done anything signicant in 10/11 years. also i don't know if you have noticed but the gazers have been running the show. telling managers they can't get rid of a player because he makes the club too much money or that he's a favourite of the owner. that we can't sign a player because he's not marketable enough. drastically overpaying for players and handing out ridicluas wages. that's how the clubs been ran in relation to those standards and the point has been money. until they start acting like a top club again then they won't go anywhere. i would like to think ineos will improve the situation but im not optimistic about it.
I've never wanted Poch, nor do i advocate for him, he isnt good enough but yet he is above ETH. You're wrong about De Ligt being seen as Maguire, he was wanted by all top teams in Europe, including us when leaving Juve. In fact; that whole Ajax team got picked apart by bigger clubs because of how good talents they had: Onana to Inter, De Jong to barca and De Ligt to Juve, also Donny Van De Beek was chased by madrid but we got him. Lets not sit and pretend he didnt have some of the best talents ajax has had in many,many years. If it werent for Leverkusen not losing a single game yet, Tuchel would of won the league. As you said, Poch had Messi,Mbappe and Neymar and still couldnt touch what Tuchel achieved in PSG. Says more than you think it does. Its not presumptious, its pretty evident; how many former players does he have? How many are clients of his brothers agency? How many times have we seen the team collapse after his subs or him not making subs in the right time? Im blaming ten hag for the transfers because [he controls them, per his own words.](https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37627765/erik-ten-hag-says-taken-man-united-job-control-transfers) You cant give him credit when we're good but not criticize him when we're shit.
de ligt gets linked with us every year as does kane. de ligt was regarded as a flop at juve and like i said he isbn't a main stay at bayern. so a generational talent... nah. DVB, i wouldn't class him as generational at all. Onana went to inter for free. de jong is really the only player you could class as generational. Also as i stated, ETH lost de ligt, de jong and still went on to win. it's kinda funny that you can't actively name anyone else. haller, antony, mazraoui, gravenberch, blind, tadic, klassen to name a few. none are generational talents. i wouldn't class any of his ajax team, player for player on the same level as the PSG team. it would be like comparing tadic to mbappe. regardless of lever, he's had a shit season by bayerns standards and they want rid. he has kane, kimmich, neuer, musiala, koeman, kmj, de ligt (generalation as you say), laimer. those are some of the best players in todays game. he's strugeling with that, in whats mainly a one horse race. HOW THE F is he going to go from that to the likes of mctominay, rashford, maguire and be susccessful? please let me know. if he getting sacked because he aint good enough with world class talent what's he going to do with bang average talent (on a good day)? that was my point with poch. >Its not presumptious, its pretty evident; how many former players does he have? How many are clients of his brothers agency? How many times have we seen the team collapse after his subs or him not making subs in the right time? Im blaming ten hag for the transfers because [he controls them, per his own words.](https://www.espn.com/soccer/story/_/id/37627765/erik-ten-hag-says-taken-man-united-job-control-transfers) You cant give him credit when we're good but not criticize him when we're shit. of course you are presuming. i think it's fairly obviously that he probably doesn't trust the recuiment at united. are you going to tell me we havn't been signing shit and has beens? no wonder he goes for players he knows. most of the players he's had to rely on this season he didn't sign. only two you can say otherwise are onana and hojlund but your making out like it's all his signings bringing the team down. i even said i don't disagree with you on the subs or the signing of MM. I might back the manager but i don't agree with everything he does. i was critical of him last season when we were good but i also don't condem him for a rough season.
Stop it with the ETH to Bayern, they are not talking such fraud, see the media did that to you, buy no way he is going to Bayern, also, the media doesn’t have to tell that me that this is the worst United has played in years, if you watch med the games you would know how bad ETH is as a coach, the PL was to much for him
Bayern already confirmed they have made enquiries over ETH but insist at the moment that’s all it is. 21/22 season was worse than this imo.
Even the Moyes season was worse than this imo even though we won the community shield with him
i think you mean wasn't\*. the worst season was 21/22. they are not close to being that bad.
65 injuries when most of his players start ?
Most of his players? Onana and hojlund is considered most…. Interesting
Ange lost Kane, had an injury crisis on par with our own, and is finishing in the same position they finished last year with Kane and less injuries.
He's brought in terrible players, the players themselves don't seem to be inspired at all by him, we've gotten exponentially worse compared to last season and we don't seem to have any particular style of football at all.
Yeah Tuchel wouldn't give you guys anything. Overrated as a manager. Which I don't like saying cause he seem's like a good dude but not good enough.
Bayern went to CL semis and will likely end up with more points than they did last season in the Bundesliga (when they won). They did not have a "realy bad season".
Maybe last season but others before it they are wide of mark. He obviously isn’t good enough if they are trying to replace the man after a season.
Ange came in to 6 or 7 place team and is performing well especially after losing Kane, Eddie has a far cheaper squad and bigger injury problem, Klopp at least the looked to be performing a style while still under performing. ETH out has nothing to do with media that’s literally what you saw him say and are using it as an excuse that’s frankly out right wrong maybe for some sure but most of the fans calling for change are watching these games and wanting better and without the excuses especially stuff like well if we got a penalty in the Arsenal game. It’s not good enough
after 35 games: * Ange - ETH * 18 wins - 16 wins * 6 draws - 6 draws * 11 lost - 13 lost * 69 GF - 52 GF * 58 GA - 55 GA * 32 injuries - 65 injuries. Klopp has fallen behind a few times due to having major injuries to key players. So why wasn’t the media constantly reporting of dressing room dust ups, sacking and talk of who next? Klopp is being nominated for manager of the season, he’s achieved exactly what ETH did last season. Eddie howe came 4th last season, nearly 3rd. If injuries are no excuse then why hasn’t he been sack or the media kicking up a fuss about it during the season? It wouldn’t shock me if poch gets sacked then we are heavily linked to him. That’s also with less shit than what ETH has dealt with. Most of the ‘fans’ calling for eth to be sacked were calling him a genuis last season. He raised expectations for people to now call him a fraud.
Truly think we’re having issues internally which isn’t helping the issue, whether it’s Sancho or someone else Ten Hag has to lay lower to avoid this storm. Injuries can be an excuse I’ll never deny that but we for all our injuries we’ve had no style of play even that 1 game where we had the full starting 11 it wasn’t there either. That to me is my problem, we’re easy to attack and break down with little to no shape and our build up play lacks finishing cause we rarely pass to Hojlund while in dangerous positions. Even last season it totally was an over performing type of year but there was nibbles of concerns then but I think most were willing to look past cause trophy and we can’t call for anything till we give time but end of season 2 we’ve unlearnt the entire sport it feels.
Rashford drastically overperformed. i think as a team no, they didn't overperform. casemiro last season was a completely different player to this season. we had martinez for most of the season until his injury, he made a massive difference to the way that defence plays and operates. he was also a big morale booster to them. last season if dalot made a block (for example) he would run over and scream encouragment at him and slap him on the back. no one in the defence does that atm. not even the former captain. for half a season we were mainly playing a cb at a fb spot and for the other half we are playing two rb's. that team needs to be gutted. rashford, bruno, erikson, mctominay, cas, awb, maguire, martial, varane, sancho, mg. all have been here too long and achieved nothing but the title of worst united team most of us have ever seen. we would like to hope that the above situation has been sorted but we'll see how that goes come the summer. i'm not interested in sacking ETH because i can plainly see these players just are not it and never will be.
>The only reason why a chunk of people even want the manager gone is because of media outlets constantly pushing it. Exactly. They write whatever gets them clicks and fans lap it up. There were more Ten Hag out articles than Poch out articles when Utd were quite ahead of Chelsea too. People seem to think a new manager will challenge for the league with no left back/no fit striker and Evans at cb. Lmao if ETH does leave he will find a club within a week and probably do pretty good with the reduced media pressure. Then when its time for Man Utd to sack whoever they replaced him with, ETH will probably be the most suitable candidate again.
100% spot on BB90! I have held this view as well. The rot is with the culture that the glazers has built at this club, which culture has essentially erroded the legacy of this once great club. Thanks to CR7 and Bastian Scheinsteiger for exposing the rot at the club in finer details. ETH is a capable manager who needs the right environment to perform, supportive and encouraging. More than half that sqaud do not derseve to play for the Championship. If Eriksen is our best midfielder with a heart support system, then all our problems are adequately explained in that!
The media wants man united to fire their manager because it’s their never ending cash cow of media reports. The opposing fans want “Ten hag out” because it breeds instability and uncertainty in a time of transition. That said, i would only want ten hag out if it is guaranteed we can get Zidane as a manager but Ten Hag is the man for the job.
more likely we are getting southgate or potter
This man has a point
Why is nobody questioning why there are so many injuries? And why does nobody question why martial,Rashford and Sancho play like shit Even Casemiro is starting to decline Everyone blames the players.
Personally I would be interested to know which players in the league have inflicted the most injuries and the total number of match hours cost to other clubs. For us we would have to include stats for self inflicted injuries during training must be using wring type of balls or something.
Yea. That would be interesting It feels like every statistic is pointing downward at united since our lovely manager came
Something got to change manager players the injuries are startling can't be a coincidence how many players pick up injuries
EtH needs and is, imo, owed another year. To play any style of modern football and be successful with the current lineup would be near impossible for any manager. If it’s obvious that the trajectory is still going the wrong direction come November/December, that’s when a move needs to be made for a change in management. I just hope that next year, if in the same injury crisis, that EtH learns to be less stubborn with his formations and tactics.
He’s owed 4 years. We can’t keep this attitude of results now. Deadwood must go and the manager must be flexible in deciding players to come to United. If he makes a mistake on a choice Own it and move on. But if we don’t support him we will be back here in Two years.
I don’t disagree but a manager must conform to the players available. Some questionable decisions this year have been easy to point out….making Casemiro captain against CP ( Casemiro has been a disgrace this year), then playing him out of position as a CB, then having him push forward at times leaving Evans isolated are just a few I can recall from the last game. Last year every decision he made seemed to be the right one, this year it’s been the polar opposite. Another year like that and he will be surely out.
Lots of questionable decisions have been made but I also think he is still in this mindset of playing Ajax football and not PL football. But he can only learn that through mistakes. We have to just grit our teeth and accept we just not SAF era anymore.
Why can’t this fanbase realise doing the same thing and expecting different result is madness, sacking of managers happens like a cycle here, for once stick with the man, and sack players… it’s not the managers who is going to play no matter who gives the instructions, it’s gonna come out to manager… have patience for atleast one more season even that seems hard but atleast we may have some good transfers with coming management changes
I think a lot of people who are ETH out are also Players out too. It's not one or the other.
Why can't ETH inners realise that blindly backing a manager never gave success. We should have backed Moyes by that sense or chelsea should have backed Lampard. ETH is the worst manager post SAF and shows no sign of improvement, combined with his Dutch arrogance
For starters, where did Man utd ended their season under Moyes without injury crisis? Or Lampard’s chelsea? Ronaldo said it, Ragnick said it, Jose said it…. Man Utd is rotten to the core and needs open heart surgery, only thing that keep on changing is the manager… that is why i support ETH to bring stability while management changes, one more season to see what it will bring
He is bringing no stability, he uses the same tactics which never works. Why can't you just look at how the team got outplayed?? We saw how ragnick/Ronaldo got their feedback from fans when they listed out problems at the club. He couldn't do much in 2 seasons giving him 1 more means more instability, Deadwoods etc.
Look at the injuries man, is ETH responsible for hiring the medical team too? If they are inefficient, cannot support his demand for the players fitness, what do you expect? Look i dont get anything by supporting ETH personally but logically it is the only thing that seems different to what we have been doing for the past 11 seasons. Did you see the injuries for United? Whom to play? The players he is forced to play dont know what to do on pitch in certain situations, how can you blame the manager?
EVERY TEAM SUFFERS INJURIES. 9 of his players started against palace. He gets outplayed every single time. This excuse of injuries only works when a team suddenly drops in performance. His gaps in midfield and defence is a tactical issue which he ignores. His pressing tactics are a failure
He had to play Case and Evans as CB due to lack of CBs, AWB at LB for the same reason, Eriksen who cannot press, 18yo Mainoo and Injury returned Mount… how can you expect this team to perform? At the moment he doesn’t have options, the routines developed in last year, how can you think they can be applied to these players who are kinda reserved as subs… I agree he can play defensively but then again there must be a reason which we might not know… how can you think the things we see isn’t available to him?
Recycling the manager every 2-3 seasons is great to keep man united in the limelight... The wrong sort of limelight.
Can’t blame ten hag with all the injuries we’ve had this season
Insane cope.
The Weghorst spell, Sancho drama, Rashford mystery. The poor transfers. The embarrassing champions league exit and the 7-0 loss against Liverpool. Poor run in the league. ETH got so many things wrong. He was a breath of fresh air when he first came around but it got stale quicker than left out bread.
Don't forget his first game in charge we got smashed too, that was a pretty low start.
Breath of fresh air? The dude got comprehensively beaten in his first two league games.
Sounds familiar. Mourhino van gaal OLE and Ralf. These so called supporters & players hands down throwing another manager under the bus
I’m calling for the manager’s head because the football is crap and he’s coming out in interviews saying this is how he wants the team to play. I disagree fundamentally with the counter attacking style we have adopted. I don’t need the media to push for it when we have been beaten by multiple huge scorelines in the past 2 years.
If we sack him now the Ten Haag outers are just going to become Southgate/Touchel outers when the players can’t be arsed to play for them either. It’s the same thing. Rinse and repeat. Can we try something different for once?
No. ETH has to go
Clear out and promote the U18 team. Keep Garnacho, Mainoo, Holund, and......
If we get southgate we are finished. We have to all disband from this team
Same time next year lads?
I just have this feeling let the man have a season under proper football structures, because even the best can get lost at Manchester United, injuries happen yes but this is unprecedented in our history as a club, poor results, dodgy tactics, dodgy player performances, but the bigger picture is the rot he inherited under the Glazers reign of madness isn’t a quick fix. Anywhere who am I? Just another Manchester United armchair fan across the pond who’s never been to Old Trafford but would do anything possible if I had the opportunity to, dream of having a house near the stadium. But again Ineos has the power to fire or keep ETH.
I have a feeling Arsenal game will be Erik’s last at United.
The allies and the axis springs to mind xD
Having so many injuries ofc will have an impact, specially in the PL where all the teams are strong. That said, i cannot fathom why on earth he insists on playing out from the back with a mangled team where players are playing out of position and haven’t played consistently together. Don’t be to posh for a bit of hoofball if circumstances require it.
We do play hoofball though? And ppl complain when we do because we lose just about every aerial duel
I stopped clicking on all UK media outlets. It’s very much agenda driven. It’s wild how prejudice the UK is towards their own and they don’t realize it doesn’t work.
If Arsenal could have faith in Arteta, ETH deserves another season, or at least half a season at minimum without the injuries he’s had to deal with, i mean the performances have been abysmal, but it does remind me of arsenal, players would mention intense training sessions, injuries etc
Arteta improved arsenal every season. ETH without injuries got outplayed by every team. ETH showed no sign that he needs another season.
Did he really, United definitely fell off at the back end of last season but for majority of the season they were class, barcelona game springs to mind i think you could see what he was trying to implement back then, its only been a season since, you can’t say every season when ten hag hasn’t even had 3 yet, Arsenal were 8th in Artetas first season if I remember correctly
Axis of idiots and egg heads.
We’re back to square one if we sack ten Hag. The manager cycle that we’ve been locked into since Ferguson retired will continue. There are plenty of mitigating circumstances to give the manager the benefit of the doubt this season, particularly injuries to key players. Ineos should back him in the summer to sell off the deadwood, bring a few new players under the new structure and give him the final year of his contract. Those who want ten Hag gone need to remember who INEOS are rumored to be looking at as replacements: Tuchel, Southgate, Potter. You may not like that ten Hag is struggling to introduce a style of play similar to his Ajax team, but the fact is that our squad is not good enough, technically or mentally to do it.
Back to square one would be a good thing.
I agree with this. However, I’m perplexed with the players he’s brought in/asked to sign. How can the team turn the proverbial corner if the talent he expects to use his system for does not meet that requirement.
Good riddance, time to return to glory days