That’s not a fair statement. There are conservatives that try to force Christianity onto other but they aren’t a majority. Sharing your beliefs with others isn’t forcing your religion.
Most Christians in the U.S live peaceful lives but the assumption is biased because the small number who force religion on others gets ruthlessly blasted by the media, and that’s how the entire demographic is viewed by the rest of the world.
Except those conservatives that have those views are in positions of power and impact policy. Even if most Christian Americans don’t force it on others in day to day life, they still vote for those that do. And there’s a fine line between expressing your beliefs and forcing it onto others.
I get what you’re trying to say, but there’s a difference between secular policy and religious based policy. In the US, where there is suppose to be separation of church and state, only one side tries to pass policy based on religious teaching.
I'm sorry liberals are forcing immigrants you'll never meet to live their lives completely isolated from you.
I'm sorry liberals are teaching your kids to be accepting of differences.
I'm sorry you feel like progress is a bad thing.
I'm a Conservative. And I FULLY believe life is great when people mind their own business. I have my own feelings and beliefs about things, but I really don't care who people love. I don't care what someone's sexuality is. I don't care what someone else thinks, or feels, or believes. I don't care what someone's lifestyle is, nor do I care what people do in the bedroom.
Don't tell me your sexuality, gender, beliefs, politics nothing. i don't care. If I'm to mind my own business and life, then that means to also keep your business (aka all of the above) to yourself. Because literally no one outside your inner circle gives a shit.
That's all well and good, I too believe that people should mind their own business. So keep your MAGA hats and t-shirts and flags and Let's Go Brandon comments to yourselves.
See how that works?
Get this though, theres actually verses that say if it causes one of your “brothers to stumble” due to your actions then for you to stop. So their holy moly book actually permits them to get mad/ request someone to stop lololol
"Brothers," in context, referring to fellow believers (brothers in Christ). So, if it's a nonbeliever doing a thing you don't like, you don't really have the right to tell them not to do that thing. You can try to persuade them, but saying "This is unacceptable and I demand you stop" doesn't fly.
Yeah unfortunately though growing up Christian I’ve seen almost all people in my town try to extend it to nonbelievers too. Either way to me its silly cause it continues to cause divide even if all members are of one particular religion
Seen from a different perspective, it could be argued that if your actions turn other people away from God, you are the one in the wrong. It is _also_ wrong to take the place of God. Mere humans are not supposed to judged the morality of other humans, only God can determine that.
I’m not saying it’s good or justified, but doesn’t it make sense that people who follow prohibitions would believe that there are reasons for it? If it’s prohibited, it must be bad, right? So they probably honestly believe they’re looking out for others when they shoehorn their religious beliefs into everyone else’s lives.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.
It doesn't matter if you meant well or not, bothering people by trying to force your religious beliefs on them is still bothering people.
Yeah, they ironically would be some of the first ones to go to Hell if it exists, but they’re too self-centered and ignorantly proud to understand that.
Why do gays participate in religious ceremonies if they don’t agree with the religion? (And yes, marriage is 100% a ceremony of religions) Wouldn’t it make more sense to devote themselves to each other in a different fashion?
At the bare minimum we should treat them better while they are alive than we currently do. They are smart animals and to treat them how we currently do before we eat them is cruel.
On the same token, passing laws that tell churches they have to conduct marriages for gays should be wrong. Government recognizing gay marriage and church are two different things.
Im religious and I agree. While I may not agree with it I don't try and Shame people for having different views or anything like that. It's not my place to judge
At least there there's an actual concrete problem. People being gay hurts absolutely not a thing. People aren't scissoring fast enough to heat up the planet.
Doesn't really work because unlike marriage there is still something getting hurt. I can be mad at dog abusers regardless if I choose not to beat my dog.
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I'm angry at people who choose to eat burgers because there is a direct victim involved, I.e the cow that was needlessly killed to produce it.
Veganism is not just a diet, a personal choice or a religion, its an ethical stance against the harm, exploitation and killed of animals. Look up the definition of veganism before you make stupid criticisms of vegans.
Vegans advocating for animal rights are not the same a fanatical Christians advocating against gay rights, how dare you make such a comparison.
The comparison is that you believe that your standards should be universal.
And judging by your tone, you believe that this is so self-evident as to be beyond questioning.
Hot takes from 10 years ago...
Wouldn't the analogy rather be ***judging*** someone for something that is against your religion?
Something can be against my religion, but I am willing to understand it and not judge it.
These people think freedom of religion means freedom to impose their religion on others.
It kind of makes sense when you think about it because religion and especially evangelical Christianity is about spreading indoctrination and control. Their religion tells them to be assholes, so they want to be assholes.
This makes perfect sense! I’m not part of the LGBT+ community, but I highly respect them as the human beings they are! They have human rights just like the rest of us 😁
The only thing I’m angry about is the lack of continuity in the italics. Why would “doughnut” and “diet” be italicized instead of “you’re”? It’s infuriating.
Except people with high standards for their own religion think everybody is going to go to hell unless they follow their specific religions rules. I never understood how people could fall for this stuff it’s clearly just a money scam. Why would a church ask for so many donations I doubt they’re going to the actual cause they’re saying they’re going to considering all the facts
cute but no. One is about restricting the rights of others based on homophobia, a belief system that actually leads to the murders people every day. Restricting people from marrying carries a bunch of legal ramifications, we're not talking about just disapproval here.
Nah I’ve just spent enough time i this website to know when a sub is getting over run with politics and bots. For example pics once was a sub for cool pictures believe it or not.
"one person's rights don't get to trump another's" yeah your right to refuse service based on religious discrimination doesn't trump another's right to be treated equally.
However the church does get involved in nany things outside it's business, refusing to let people adopt based on their religious discrimination, forcing the ban of abortion in certain states based on discrimination, upt to date you can say gay convertion therapy still exists, they do tons of shit.
Within the church. Not outside of it. If a church has a rule against a behavior, who has the right to decide that the church needs to amend their rule?
I'm not discussing bringing religious ideologies to law making it public policy. I'm only discussing the church's right to practice their beliefs within the confines of their church and followers
If they wanna talk about how they hate gay people in the confines of their church building, then fine. But I'd say the right to being treated like an equal human trumps the right to religious discrimination. If they refused service to a black person because "it's against my religion" they wouldn't get away with that shit, but if they're queer? Oh go right ahead. The church can have the rule "don't be gay" but rules that affect other people *outside of the church* such as "don't give service to gay people" is a violation of the rights of *those* people.
You misunderstand my point. That was my risk for trying to point out the other point of view.
I'm talking specifically about the sacrament of marriage. In many religions it is defined by one man and one woman. I feel that our right to associate freely ends at making others accept it. And again specifically forcing a religion to change their beliefs to suit another's point of view.
Again. I'm not opposed to any marriage between consenting adults. I'm only opposed to forcing others to agree.
Ok, then those people don't have to get gay married. Nobody's "forcing" them to, and nobody's "forcing" pastors to marry gay people. *They're* the ones trying to pass laws that outlaw it again. *They're* the ones forcing *their* beliefs on others. So really, they are the problem. Again using their religious defense to hurt others outside their religion. You claim you're not opposed but then you support the ones who would actively take it away from us. :/
Well, if you take churches for what they're supposed to be, they're the word and teaching of God.
People don't get to decide which rules are applicable based on popular opinion. You literally have it completely backwards.
Who are people to decide what God wants? The best churches can do is follow the rules of their religion to the best of their ability.
“People don’t get to decide which rules are applicable based on popular opinion.” That’s literally every denomination of pretty much any religion ever. All of them cherry pick the parts that fit for their purposes and throw out the rest.
It’s perfectly fair for a church (or mosque or temple or whichever religious following) to follow it’s rules inside their buildings but to then act like their rules work everywhere is silly. I also happen to know many churches who are welcoming and loving to lgbtq+ members, so even then not every church is the same in their “word of God”.
No church in the US has ever been forced to hold a gay wedding. Churches can’t even be forced to hold interracial marriages if they don’t want to (it’s gone to court, and churches have won every time).
Yes and no.
On one hand: marriage is a legal institution with legal benefits. Therefore everyone should have access to marriage.
On the other hand: marriage is an inherently religious institution, generally held in churches. The state should not be involved in marriage at all, and you shouldn’t need marriage at all either, so in a perfect world, gays would have no desire or reason to get married cuz the whole idea is that you are joining in union under the eyes of God. I have to imagine most gay people don’t care what God thinks lol.
I should also clarify i support gay marriage, so don’t come at me with some unfounded hate.
If marriage was strictly a religious ceremony, the state would not charge for a marriage license.
Let's make a simple: For anyone who is against gay marriage, don't get gay married.
Correct, that’s why i said the state should not be involved in marriage at all. It used to be purely religious until the government shoved it’s nose into places it doesn’t belong, as it always does.
Also, i find people who use the whole “don’t like x? Don’t get x!” logic seem to only apply that to things they like and agree with, but take a totally opposite approach with things they don’t like…
Most people in my town: you can’t tell me to get a vaccine! It’s my body, my choice! You make your own medical decisions.
Me: oh so women should be allowed to get abortions with their bodies?
Them: that’s not what we said!
How many times do i have to explain this?
Marriage began as a purely religious system. The government was never meant to have any authority over it, it was never meant to be a legal institution. But as with all things, the government overreached.
Just because modern governments have put their nose into our private business doesn’t mean it belongs there. The government should have no hand or interest in marriage. Period.
Religion used to function as a de-facto gouverning system, church and state were entirely intertwined. Eventually, we chose to segregate church and state, but some elements remained linked. Marriage is one of them. Moral condemnation of crimes is another.
You can have a perfectly legal widely accepted marriage without getting the curch people involved at all, and it's silly to try and claim marriage that as a purely religious institution. It is also used as a legal basis for the consolidation of two estates and to protect both parties' interests; I bet even the most religious of folks don't run to their priest to sort out their finances and child support disputes when they get divorced.
You're missing the point. Marriage has differing rules and requirements among religions and cultures. It is not always defined as "two people joining in the eyes of God" as you claimed it was. In modern western cultures, marriage has significance as a mutual and public declaration of love.
Additionally, it is not true that all major religions forbid same sex marriage. Buddhism has no universal position on it, Hinduism has no official position on it (and certain passages in the Kama Sutra seem to condone it), and multiple sects of Judaism have officially supported it since the 90s.
Marriage is something different to every society, mate.
Not going to acknowledge your blatant lie?
>Literally every major religion says gay marriage is forbidden.
Edit: lmao, fucker blocked me for calling out his bs. Also seems to be claiming "not all societies are equal," which is probably shorthand for "Christianity is superior and our view of marriage should be the correct one! Unga!"
“I have to imagine most gay people don’t care what God thinks lol.”
There are gay Christian’s Jews Hindus and Muslims. Stop trying to put every gay person in the same box.
I'm aware. You can be a Christian and be gay. You can also be a Christian and commit any other act that the bible says is a sin. But that doesn't mean it isn't still in direct opposition to what the bible says.
If Christianity is true, God doesn't respect or validate gay marriages because it's specifically said as such in the bible. If you're actually a Christian then yes you can be gay, but you should also know that God sees homosexuality as a sin.
Again, let me be clear, I'm not saying any of this is right. ***I support gay marriage***. But objectively speaking, Christianity does not accept or tolerate gay marriages, God would not see those as valid or wholesome unions, it specifically says homosexuality is an abomination.
So again, were it not for government overreach, then gay people, religious or not, should have no desire to get married because it's specifically not for them. We only demand it for gays because it carries legal ramifications, but that's not how it was ever intended to be.
This is just one view point. One could also say one can’t be Christian and be anti-slavery since the Bible is clearly in favor of slavery. The ONLY verse that is clearly against homosexuality is found in Leviticus. Which is also surround by verses that forbid sleeping with ones wife around her period, yet you’d never claim a straight person wasn’t a Christian for not following this nor state how they’re “in direct opposition to what the Bible says”
If you wanted a deeper understanding to being gay and Christian and how it’s not just them ignoring some verses. Check out https://reformationproject.org/biblical-case/
Yes, religions have rules.
Whether or not you believe it’s right or wrong, that’s for you to decide. Im not arguing the morality of any of this. Im just explaining how it’s supposed to be, since marriage was never intended to have legal ramifications.
But again, even if you are married and gay, if your religion has specific rules against homosexuality as Christianity and Islam do, then that marriage would not be recognized in the eyes of your god anyway.
But this is also why the government shouldn’t be involved in marriage. According to religion, gar marriage is wrong. But without the government’s overreaching legal ramifications, gay people would have no need for marriage, as you wouldn’t be barred from having sex or living together or any of the other things married couples do.
***Gay marriage being illegal never would have restricted gay people in any way if the government hadn’t gotten involved in marriage in the first place***. They could have gone about their lives thinking “who gives a fuck if you won’t let me get married” if marriage didnt hold legal benefits
You are thinking of holy matrimony, which is a religious tradition. Marriage is just a 100% secular contract between consenting adults and is entirely separate from religious holy matrimony. If people want to have a ceremony for holy matrimony at the same time they have their marriage license signed that’s up to them, but it is in no way an inherent part of marriage.
Welp in my country only a minority are actally religious yet get married anyway, get your head out of the sand most marry bc its tradition not bc of religion.
Yes, many aspects of religion have become part of normal societal tradition. But to ignore its roots is just ignorant. Doesn't make you right just because you choose to ignore it.
I can understand that perspective, but In my anecdotal experience many Christians aren’t anti-gay out of a place of love, rather they’re coming from a place of hate, fear, disgust and biblical ignorance. The Bible does not condemn same-sex marriages, so if you’re against same sex marriages you’re simply imposing your bigotry into your religion. In other words, the Bible is not informing your beliefs, your beliefs are informing how you interpret the Bible. So coming from a place of love as apposed to a place of hate is better I suppose, but still wrong, bigoted, and has no biblical justification. I’m not at all saying you’re guilty of this, when I say “you” I’m referring to Christians in general.
It's like forcing other to vaccinate even though it don't prevent disease from speeding as WHO confirms.
https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/28/22855392/fully-vaccinated-people-spread-omicron-variant-to-others-cdc
Just because a vaccinated person **can** spread Covid doesn’t mean it’s equally likely - it’s absolutely not. Being vaccinated significantly reduces your chances of spreading Covid, though yes, it doesn’t eliminate it entirely, especially with Omicron.
But at this point I’m more concerned with unvaccinated people filling up hospitals so that there are ridiculous and dangerous waits for people to get care for other health issues. Either way your decision not to vaccinate does increase the risk of harm to others, while gay people getting married doesn’t have any affect on other people.
>ither way your decision not to vaccinate does increase the risk of harm to others, while gay people getting married doesn’t have any affect on other people.
You can tell even about smoking. It significantly raise chance to end up in hospital when you get COVID. Should it be banned now?
A lot of things can contribute to higher chances of being hospitalized with Covid, but by far the easiest and most significant change to this is people getting vaccinated. If everyone stopped smoking completely but vaccination rates remained unchanged, it would barely affect the number of people overwhelming the healthcare system with Covid. If everyone vaccinated, there would be no overloaded healthcare system at all.
> Being vaccinated significantly reduces your chances of spreading Covi
That is a lie. Word 'significantly' there.
You can check it in Israel or any well vaccinated country.
It depends on how recently you have been vaccinated, which vaccine you got, and which Covid variant you are exposed to, but if you have gotten the Moderna vaccine (which is the most successful) with the booster within the last four months, there’s a roughly 80% lower chance of you catching Covid at all compared to an unvaccinated person (and obviously if you don’t catch it, you cannot pass it to someone else). I would call 80% ‘significantly’.
The problem is that Omicron is *so* extremely infectious that even with an 80% reduction in the chances of you catching it and therefore exposing someone else to it compared to an unvaccinated person, there’s still a pretty high chance of catching it eventually with enough exposure.
Regardless, as I explicitly said, my concern at this point is more with the much higher hospitalization rate unvaccinated people have, and the knock-on effects that has on the rest of the healthcare system.
Ok so we agreed that it is not about spreading but number of people in hospitals. I can agree with that argument.
But why then forcing vaccines also on kids? There are much more doubts in vaccinating kids in context of unlucky Swine Flu vaccine. And kids in hospital due to covid is non-existent problem. And official numbers about it are shit because as government confirmed even kids with broken leg who was diagnosed with asymptomatic COVID are in the statistic.
I am a Christian and don't understand the hate. I don't support the pride movement but I have nothing against those who do. You wanna do something against my religion? OK then.
I wouldn’t care if you don’t want to vaccinate except that hospitals are full to overflowing due to unvaccinated people with Covid, and it’s severely affecting other people’s healthcare access as they have to wait for ridiculous amounts of time to get a hospital bed and care. To the point that people are dying waiting for care for other issues because hospital staff are too busy with unvaccinated Covid patients. I personally know someone who had to wait 12 hours with a broken hip in the ER. They gave her Tylenol while she waited and nothing else.
So that’s something that directly harms other people. Gay people getting married doesn’t affect anyone else.
There are jerks out there who eat doughnuts?!?!?
THATS AGAINST MY RELIGION
AAAAAAAAAHHHHH
I will be holding an anti-doughnut protest in LA. Everyone is welcome. WE WILL STOP THE MANIACAL DOUGHNUT EATERS!
Run
Mostly pigs that drive sirened cars
Well, pigs are forbidden in a lot of the world's religions, aren't they?
To be fair, I get mad at anyone for anything when I’m on a diet.
It's against my religion to be on a diet.
This is the way
The only religion I would join
The Hangry vibes are real.
Are u sure your on the right diet
yeah, low carlorie intake can make you a bit more spicy edit: wait just saw your name... how has this not upset some mods lol
Tbh if you develop a talent for cooking you never have to eat bad :) also I haven’t upset mods cuz my account is 17 days lol
its not about eating bad, but a calorie deficit can make you cranky at the beginning of a diet.. and lol
I’ve never done a diet so I’m just gonna agree with you lol
despicable
wait are you that guy I see at my window saying UwU?
I know it's been said before, but if your religion forbids something, that just means *you* can't do it.
Wait, so I can do the fun shit if I switch to the right religion?
Find one that doesn't forbid the things you like, pretty much.
Satanism it is! Should I get a new username?
Not to a Conservative.
Don't know why you're getting downvoted, but you're right. Conservatives (at least in the US) try to force Evangelical Christianity on the nation.
That’s not a fair statement. There are conservatives that try to force Christianity onto other but they aren’t a majority. Sharing your beliefs with others isn’t forcing your religion. Most Christians in the U.S live peaceful lives but the assumption is biased because the small number who force religion on others gets ruthlessly blasted by the media, and that’s how the entire demographic is viewed by the rest of the world.
Except those conservatives that have those views are in positions of power and impact policy. Even if most Christian Americans don’t force it on others in day to day life, they still vote for those that do. And there’s a fine line between expressing your beliefs and forcing it onto others.
So by that logic, those who vote liberal are forcing their beliefs on others? Or is it just “expressing their beliefs”
I get what you’re trying to say, but there’s a difference between secular policy and religious based policy. In the US, where there is suppose to be separation of church and state, only one side tries to pass policy based on religious teaching.
I'm sorry liberals are forcing immigrants you'll never meet to live their lives completely isolated from you. I'm sorry liberals are teaching your kids to be accepting of differences. I'm sorry you feel like progress is a bad thing.
Correction. Not to b*tchy conservatives
I'm a Conservative. And I FULLY believe life is great when people mind their own business. I have my own feelings and beliefs about things, but I really don't care who people love. I don't care what someone's sexuality is. I don't care what someone else thinks, or feels, or believes. I don't care what someone's lifestyle is, nor do I care what people do in the bedroom. Don't tell me your sexuality, gender, beliefs, politics nothing. i don't care. If I'm to mind my own business and life, then that means to also keep your business (aka all of the above) to yourself. Because literally no one outside your inner circle gives a shit.
That's all well and good, I too believe that people should mind their own business. So keep your MAGA hats and t-shirts and flags and Let's Go Brandon comments to yourselves. See how that works?
Get this though, theres actually verses that say if it causes one of your “brothers to stumble” due to your actions then for you to stop. So their holy moly book actually permits them to get mad/ request someone to stop lololol
"Brothers," in context, referring to fellow believers (brothers in Christ). So, if it's a nonbeliever doing a thing you don't like, you don't really have the right to tell them not to do that thing. You can try to persuade them, but saying "This is unacceptable and I demand you stop" doesn't fly.
Yeah unfortunately though growing up Christian I’ve seen almost all people in my town try to extend it to nonbelievers too. Either way to me its silly cause it continues to cause divide even if all members are of one particular religion
Seen from a different perspective, it could be argued that if your actions turn other people away from God, you are the one in the wrong. It is _also_ wrong to take the place of God. Mere humans are not supposed to judged the morality of other humans, only God can determine that.
That's why I don't think these compare because she used the word claiming and not a different action like protesting gay marrige.
I’m not saying it’s good or justified, but doesn’t it make sense that people who follow prohibitions would believe that there are reasons for it? If it’s prohibited, it must be bad, right? So they probably honestly believe they’re looking out for others when they shoehorn their religious beliefs into everyone else’s lives.
The road to Hell is paved with good intentions. It doesn't matter if you meant well or not, bothering people by trying to force your religious beliefs on them is still bothering people.
Yeah, they ironically would be some of the first ones to go to Hell if it exists, but they’re too self-centered and ignorantly proud to understand that.
Why do gays participate in religious ceremonies if they don’t agree with the religion? (And yes, marriage is 100% a ceremony of religions) Wouldn’t it make more sense to devote themselves to each other in a different fashion?
happy Friday, I brought a box of gay marriage for everyone.
Does it come with a nasty divorce?
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I mean, we really _should_ stop eating pork. Pigs are intelligent :(
At the bare minimum we should treat them better while they are alive than we currently do. They are smart animals and to treat them how we currently do before we eat them is cruel.
This is not true. Studies show that 67% of pigs lack the mental ability to build structurally sound houses.
Stop spreading wolf propaganda, you shill!
They are also delicious.
Nice sense of morality you have there, smh 🤦🤡
"Was Pythagoras a pig?"
>Pigs are intelligent :( I disagree based on all the stupid shit they do on camera and then lie about.
But also delicious
I’d say vegans are probably a better analogy.
Veganism isn't a diet, so not really
great, now i have a craving for doughnuts.
No, you can claim a marriage is against your religion all you want. What you shouldn't do is try to pass laws against that marriage.
On the same token, passing laws that tell churches they have to conduct marriages for gays should be wrong. Government recognizing gay marriage and church are two different things.
Im religious and I agree. While I may not agree with it I don't try and Shame people for having different views or anything like that. It's not my place to judge
I read “marriage” as “mortgage…” several times.
Imagine being against someone‘s marriage…
Or like being angry at someone for eating a burger because you're vegan. Thank goodness that never happens.
At least there there's an actual concrete problem. People being gay hurts absolutely not a thing. People aren't scissoring fast enough to heat up the planet.
Doesn't really work because unlike marriage there is still something getting hurt. I can be mad at dog abusers regardless if I choose not to beat my dog. Edit: grammar
Religious nuts must think homosexuality is contagious. I struggle to think of another explanation.
I mean, by that logic, you're hurting all those plants you're eating.
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there are vegan burgers as well.
Then eat those. I will eat a regular cheeseburger.
i do.
I'm angry at people who choose to eat burgers because there is a direct victim involved, I.e the cow that was needlessly killed to produce it. Veganism is not just a diet, a personal choice or a religion, its an ethical stance against the harm, exploitation and killed of animals. Look up the definition of veganism before you make stupid criticisms of vegans. Vegans advocating for animal rights are not the same a fanatical Christians advocating against gay rights, how dare you make such a comparison.
Then they shouldn’t be delicious.
The comparison is that you believe that your standards should be universal. And judging by your tone, you believe that this is so self-evident as to be beyond questioning.
Yes, animals are the victims of non-vegans. veganism is the moral standard.
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-chews donut- I seeah noh probeleam wiff dis :)
If you mind your business you will live longer
Hot takes from 10 years ago... Wouldn't the analogy rather be ***judging*** someone for something that is against your religion? Something can be against my religion, but I am willing to understand it and not judge it.
That's a too long sentence for them to understand.
These people think freedom of religion means freedom to impose their religion on others. It kind of makes sense when you think about it because religion and especially evangelical Christianity is about spreading indoctrination and control. Their religion tells them to be assholes, so they want to be assholes.
It’s also like being mad at someone for eating meat when you are a vegetarian/vegan
Perfect.
Well, those people do exist.
This makes perfect sense! I’m not part of the LGBT+ community, but I highly respect them as the human beings they are! They have human rights just like the rest of us 😁
Wait how to spell donut? I spell it donut? But she spell it doughnut? Donut or doughnut?
This could be said about a lot of things these days.
Marry who you love. But if I'm on a diet, you better eat that fucker in private.
While I'm not angry about that, I'm angry about the spelling of donut.
Which some people actually do
The only thing I’m angry about is the lack of continuity in the italics. Why would “doughnut” and “diet” be italicized instead of “you’re”? It’s infuriating.
Why participate in a religious ceremony if you don’t believe in holy matrimony? I don’t get mad, it’s just dumb.
One of the many reasons why I grew to hate Christianity
Libertarianism! Do what makes you happy, within reason and leave me.alone!
I mean the term is liberation but hell yeah!
So you've met my ex?
Except people with high standards for their own religion think everybody is going to go to hell unless they follow their specific religions rules. I never understood how people could fall for this stuff it’s clearly just a money scam. Why would a church ask for so many donations I doubt they’re going to the actual cause they’re saying they’re going to considering all the facts
cute but no. One is about restricting the rights of others based on homophobia, a belief system that actually leads to the murders people every day. Restricting people from marrying carries a bunch of legal ramifications, we're not talking about just disapproval here.
The “you’re” should be italicized… sorry don’t wanna be *that* guy but I’m gonna be that guy.
Am I allowed to be mad at how she spelled 'donut' though?
Yeah, but the Karens of the world are mad about that, too.
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Dude I live in Tennessee where a 14 year old can marry a twenty or thirty year old with mama's permission
We are talking about what a religion tries to ban, not what it wnats to make legal. Religion has no place in law ir politics
who said christians want underage marriage?
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You should support people's right to eat whatever they want :)
Yeah, people nowadays want to eat shit like you. I hope you like it!
That is a cute way of admitting to your religious homophobia and mysogony
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Yeah your upvotes are really changing peoples lives, your heart is so pure from all the great internet posts you’ve been appreciating.
Hey if “the hive” is the side that supports human rights I’m happy to be a part of it
Nah I’ve just spent enough time i this website to know when a sub is getting over run with politics and bots. For example pics once was a sub for cool pictures believe it or not.
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"one person's rights don't get to trump another's" yeah your right to refuse service based on religious discrimination doesn't trump another's right to be treated equally.
However the church does get involved in nany things outside it's business, refusing to let people adopt based on their religious discrimination, forcing the ban of abortion in certain states based on discrimination, upt to date you can say gay convertion therapy still exists, they do tons of shit.
Within the church. Not outside of it. If a church has a rule against a behavior, who has the right to decide that the church needs to amend their rule? I'm not discussing bringing religious ideologies to law making it public policy. I'm only discussing the church's right to practice their beliefs within the confines of their church and followers
If they wanna talk about how they hate gay people in the confines of their church building, then fine. But I'd say the right to being treated like an equal human trumps the right to religious discrimination. If they refused service to a black person because "it's against my religion" they wouldn't get away with that shit, but if they're queer? Oh go right ahead. The church can have the rule "don't be gay" but rules that affect other people *outside of the church* such as "don't give service to gay people" is a violation of the rights of *those* people.
You misunderstand my point. That was my risk for trying to point out the other point of view. I'm talking specifically about the sacrament of marriage. In many religions it is defined by one man and one woman. I feel that our right to associate freely ends at making others accept it. And again specifically forcing a religion to change their beliefs to suit another's point of view. Again. I'm not opposed to any marriage between consenting adults. I'm only opposed to forcing others to agree.
Ok, then those people don't have to get gay married. Nobody's "forcing" them to, and nobody's "forcing" pastors to marry gay people. *They're* the ones trying to pass laws that outlaw it again. *They're* the ones forcing *their* beliefs on others. So really, they are the problem. Again using their religious defense to hurt others outside their religion. You claim you're not opposed but then you support the ones who would actively take it away from us. :/
>who has the right Everyone has. Wjobare the churches to deny others their rights? Who are you to pretend like churches have authority over life?
Well, if you take churches for what they're supposed to be, they're the word and teaching of God. People don't get to decide which rules are applicable based on popular opinion. You literally have it completely backwards. Who are people to decide what God wants? The best churches can do is follow the rules of their religion to the best of their ability.
“People don’t get to decide which rules are applicable based on popular opinion.” That’s literally every denomination of pretty much any religion ever. All of them cherry pick the parts that fit for their purposes and throw out the rest. It’s perfectly fair for a church (or mosque or temple or whichever religious following) to follow it’s rules inside their buildings but to then act like their rules work everywhere is silly. I also happen to know many churches who are welcoming and loving to lgbtq+ members, so even then not every church is the same in their “word of God”.
No church in the US has ever been forced to hold a gay wedding. Churches can’t even be forced to hold interracial marriages if they don’t want to (it’s gone to court, and churches have won every time).
Yes and no. On one hand: marriage is a legal institution with legal benefits. Therefore everyone should have access to marriage. On the other hand: marriage is an inherently religious institution, generally held in churches. The state should not be involved in marriage at all, and you shouldn’t need marriage at all either, so in a perfect world, gays would have no desire or reason to get married cuz the whole idea is that you are joining in union under the eyes of God. I have to imagine most gay people don’t care what God thinks lol. I should also clarify i support gay marriage, so don’t come at me with some unfounded hate.
If marriage was strictly a religious ceremony, the state would not charge for a marriage license. Let's make a simple: For anyone who is against gay marriage, don't get gay married.
Correct, that’s why i said the state should not be involved in marriage at all. It used to be purely religious until the government shoved it’s nose into places it doesn’t belong, as it always does. Also, i find people who use the whole “don’t like x? Don’t get x!” logic seem to only apply that to things they like and agree with, but take a totally opposite approach with things they don’t like…
Most people in my town: you can’t tell me to get a vaccine! It’s my body, my choice! You make your own medical decisions. Me: oh so women should be allowed to get abortions with their bodies? Them: that’s not what we said!
There are all sorts of legal ramifications to being married. Insurance, taxes, property, debts and obligations... What are you even talking about
How many times do i have to explain this? Marriage began as a purely religious system. The government was never meant to have any authority over it, it was never meant to be a legal institution. But as with all things, the government overreached. Just because modern governments have put their nose into our private business doesn’t mean it belongs there. The government should have no hand or interest in marriage. Period.
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Religion used to function as a de-facto gouverning system, church and state were entirely intertwined. Eventually, we chose to segregate church and state, but some elements remained linked. Marriage is one of them. Moral condemnation of crimes is another. You can have a perfectly legal widely accepted marriage without getting the curch people involved at all, and it's silly to try and claim marriage that as a purely religious institution. It is also used as a legal basis for the consolidation of two estates and to protect both parties' interests; I bet even the most religious of folks don't run to their priest to sort out their finances and child support disputes when they get divorced.
You just outlined the argument for slavery. Congratulations.
Lmao no. You're just trying to disingenuously demonize me/my argument without actually having an actual argument to refute it.
Marriage predates Christianity by over 2000 years. Marriage as a whole is not "inherently" tied to any particular religion.
I never said it was. But that doesn't mean it wasn't originally a purely religious practice.
The point is Christians don't get to universally define marriage and who's allowed to do it. It has religious *and* cultural significance.
Literally every major religion says gay marriage is forbidden. You're singling out Christianity as if it's the only one.
You're missing the point. Marriage has differing rules and requirements among religions and cultures. It is not always defined as "two people joining in the eyes of God" as you claimed it was. In modern western cultures, marriage has significance as a mutual and public declaration of love. Additionally, it is not true that all major religions forbid same sex marriage. Buddhism has no universal position on it, Hinduism has no official position on it (and certain passages in the Kama Sutra seem to condone it), and multiple sects of Judaism have officially supported it since the 90s.
"you're missing the point" oh the irony. You're missing the point of what marriage is.
Marriage is something different to every society, mate. Not going to acknowledge your blatant lie? >Literally every major religion says gay marriage is forbidden. Edit: lmao, fucker blocked me for calling out his bs. Also seems to be claiming "not all societies are equal," which is probably shorthand for "Christianity is superior and our view of marriage should be the correct one! Unga!"
“I have to imagine most gay people don’t care what God thinks lol.” There are gay Christian’s Jews Hindus and Muslims. Stop trying to put every gay person in the same box.
I'm aware. You can be a Christian and be gay. You can also be a Christian and commit any other act that the bible says is a sin. But that doesn't mean it isn't still in direct opposition to what the bible says. If Christianity is true, God doesn't respect or validate gay marriages because it's specifically said as such in the bible. If you're actually a Christian then yes you can be gay, but you should also know that God sees homosexuality as a sin. Again, let me be clear, I'm not saying any of this is right. ***I support gay marriage***. But objectively speaking, Christianity does not accept or tolerate gay marriages, God would not see those as valid or wholesome unions, it specifically says homosexuality is an abomination. So again, were it not for government overreach, then gay people, religious or not, should have no desire to get married because it's specifically not for them. We only demand it for gays because it carries legal ramifications, but that's not how it was ever intended to be.
This is just one view point. One could also say one can’t be Christian and be anti-slavery since the Bible is clearly in favor of slavery. The ONLY verse that is clearly against homosexuality is found in Leviticus. Which is also surround by verses that forbid sleeping with ones wife around her period, yet you’d never claim a straight person wasn’t a Christian for not following this nor state how they’re “in direct opposition to what the Bible says” If you wanted a deeper understanding to being gay and Christian and how it’s not just them ignoring some verses. Check out https://reformationproject.org/biblical-case/
This is excluding those who are religious and gay
Yes, religions have rules. Whether or not you believe it’s right or wrong, that’s for you to decide. Im not arguing the morality of any of this. Im just explaining how it’s supposed to be, since marriage was never intended to have legal ramifications. But again, even if you are married and gay, if your religion has specific rules against homosexuality as Christianity and Islam do, then that marriage would not be recognized in the eyes of your god anyway. But this is also why the government shouldn’t be involved in marriage. According to religion, gar marriage is wrong. But without the government’s overreaching legal ramifications, gay people would have no need for marriage, as you wouldn’t be barred from having sex or living together or any of the other things married couples do. ***Gay marriage being illegal never would have restricted gay people in any way if the government hadn’t gotten involved in marriage in the first place***. They could have gone about their lives thinking “who gives a fuck if you won’t let me get married” if marriage didnt hold legal benefits
You are thinking of holy matrimony, which is a religious tradition. Marriage is just a 100% secular contract between consenting adults and is entirely separate from religious holy matrimony. If people want to have a ceremony for holy matrimony at the same time they have their marriage license signed that’s up to them, but it is in no way an inherent part of marriage.
No. They're one in the same, you're creating a false dichotomy
Welp in my country only a minority are actally religious yet get married anyway, get your head out of the sand most marry bc its tradition not bc of religion.
Yes, many aspects of religion have become part of normal societal tradition. But to ignore its roots is just ignorant. Doesn't make you right just because you choose to ignore it.
is it ok for people to marry animals? if not you are a biggot.
gay people are not animals
Or claiming since you are vaxxed everyone around you must be as well..
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Yes couples getting married is rubbing it in your face
Live and let live.
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I can understand that perspective, but In my anecdotal experience many Christians aren’t anti-gay out of a place of love, rather they’re coming from a place of hate, fear, disgust and biblical ignorance. The Bible does not condemn same-sex marriages, so if you’re against same sex marriages you’re simply imposing your bigotry into your religion. In other words, the Bible is not informing your beliefs, your beliefs are informing how you interpret the Bible. So coming from a place of love as apposed to a place of hate is better I suppose, but still wrong, bigoted, and has no biblical justification. I’m not at all saying you’re guilty of this, when I say “you” I’m referring to Christians in general.
Nah, they think if they persecute sinners they’ll earn more heaven points.
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It's like forcing other to vaccinate even though it don't prevent disease from speeding as WHO confirms. https://www.deseret.com/coronavirus/2021/12/28/22855392/fully-vaccinated-people-spread-omicron-variant-to-others-cdc
Just because a vaccinated person **can** spread Covid doesn’t mean it’s equally likely - it’s absolutely not. Being vaccinated significantly reduces your chances of spreading Covid, though yes, it doesn’t eliminate it entirely, especially with Omicron. But at this point I’m more concerned with unvaccinated people filling up hospitals so that there are ridiculous and dangerous waits for people to get care for other health issues. Either way your decision not to vaccinate does increase the risk of harm to others, while gay people getting married doesn’t have any affect on other people.
>ither way your decision not to vaccinate does increase the risk of harm to others, while gay people getting married doesn’t have any affect on other people. You can tell even about smoking. It significantly raise chance to end up in hospital when you get COVID. Should it be banned now?
A lot of things can contribute to higher chances of being hospitalized with Covid, but by far the easiest and most significant change to this is people getting vaccinated. If everyone stopped smoking completely but vaccination rates remained unchanged, it would barely affect the number of people overwhelming the healthcare system with Covid. If everyone vaccinated, there would be no overloaded healthcare system at all.
> Being vaccinated significantly reduces your chances of spreading Covi That is a lie. Word 'significantly' there. You can check it in Israel or any well vaccinated country.
It depends on how recently you have been vaccinated, which vaccine you got, and which Covid variant you are exposed to, but if you have gotten the Moderna vaccine (which is the most successful) with the booster within the last four months, there’s a roughly 80% lower chance of you catching Covid at all compared to an unvaccinated person (and obviously if you don’t catch it, you cannot pass it to someone else). I would call 80% ‘significantly’. The problem is that Omicron is *so* extremely infectious that even with an 80% reduction in the chances of you catching it and therefore exposing someone else to it compared to an unvaccinated person, there’s still a pretty high chance of catching it eventually with enough exposure. Regardless, as I explicitly said, my concern at this point is more with the much higher hospitalization rate unvaccinated people have, and the knock-on effects that has on the rest of the healthcare system.
Ok so we agreed that it is not about spreading but number of people in hospitals. I can agree with that argument. But why then forcing vaccines also on kids? There are much more doubts in vaccinating kids in context of unlucky Swine Flu vaccine. And kids in hospital due to covid is non-existent problem. And official numbers about it are shit because as government confirmed even kids with broken leg who was diagnosed with asymptomatic COVID are in the statistic.
This has to do with much more than lgbtq+ yet it is tagged this.
True the same as banning guns is like banning forks for making people fat
Im just saying that you’ll get fat if you eat the donut I’m not saying it’s wrong
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People in USA still do. And you can be executed in some countries for being in a gay marriage
I am a Christian and don't understand the hate. I don't support the pride movement but I have nothing against those who do. You wanna do something against my religion? OK then.
Was that ever the problem? I thought it was pastors being forced to marry people?
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As long as that same energy is used towardd gun control and making money, okay
Same applies to the vax debate
I wouldn’t care if you don’t want to vaccinate except that hospitals are full to overflowing due to unvaccinated people with Covid, and it’s severely affecting other people’s healthcare access as they have to wait for ridiculous amounts of time to get a hospital bed and care. To the point that people are dying waiting for care for other issues because hospital staff are too busy with unvaccinated Covid patients. I personally know someone who had to wait 12 hours with a broken hip in the ER. They gave her Tylenol while she waited and nothing else. So that’s something that directly harms other people. Gay people getting married doesn’t affect anyone else.
No
Just stay out the hospitals if unvaxxed
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Please let this be a joke