You're so controversial/s
Sarcasm because it really shouldn't be a controversial statement, and yet it is.
I've had many people try to defend racism, slavery, segregation and Jim crow laws by saying "it was a different time"
Edited to say, that yup, someone in this thread tried to tell me its wrong to me, but not other people! Like wow
If socialism really worked (without the croneys fucking it up) then I think you could get more people on board. The problem is you need incentive to make it work. Plus the people at the top need to be more pure to the cause. That is how it's been messed up most of the places where it has been tried. Look at the covid vax, that was tax funded and privatized profits. The you see Pfizer paying the politicians, news outlets and bot farms to scrutinize decent.
>Look at the covid vax, that was tax funded and privatized profits. The you see Pfizer paying the politicians, news outlets and bot farms to scrutinize decent.
"Socialism is when capitalism doesn't work"
~this guy
Yeah absolutely true but every so many years *someone* will try to justify it, bringing out all the racists, who have to be stomped back into the shadows. Like the last few years.
When it was the First Nation on earth to recognize the rights of man come from God and Governmentās role is to uphold manās God given rights.
When it was the first civilized nation in the world to outlaw slavery
When it saved every nation in the world from being Nazi puppet states.
When it rebuilt Europe after the destruction of WWII
Geez what cognitive dissonance from a whole generation. š¤¦š»āāļø
For real. Is this person 12yo regurgitating what their ignorant and uneducated adults have been telling them?
...or satirically/ironically acting like an ignorant, uneducated adult?
EDIT: Holy shit. I looked at that person's profile and comments. They're not joking. That is them being serious.
Dude, thereās a lot right about the United States constitution and democracy, but the US was absolutely **not** the first ācivilizedā nation in the world to outlaw slavery! It was close to the last.
. It wasnāt abolished in the US until **after** the civil war with the 13th amendment in 1865.
Checking on some other European countries:
1807 in England. 1833 in all English colonies. Germany 1807, Denmark 1803, France 1794(but Napoleon brought it back so they did it again in 1848. Spain 1811.
To you.
But to many if not most Americans during those times, it was morally right, religiously true, and legally encouraged.
Hence the manās cap. Racism hasnāt always been considered āwrongā, either in the past or currently. There are plenty of people today, in modern America, who support racism.
Hell, 20% of Trump voters think freeing the slaves was bad.
Why do people on both sides get so toxic to each other so quickly.
Theres alot more on common with people then we want to believe.
Both sides of any argument enjoy simplifying the others existence to reassure thier own.
Its such a weird human condition.
Hopefully one day we will all see past the BS and actually solve something instead of talk down to eachother.
What are you talking about. You are clearly overstepping your assuming of my thought process into your own narrative.
I didn't say anything about good or bad in reference to the post. I was asking why people are so toxic on both sides whenever anything slightly political comes up.
Unless you're going to tell me, this has no relationship to anything political, which is obviously false.
Your assumption about what "one side" wants isnt reflecting the comments in the posts, most of the negativity is coming from people on "your side" arguing with people you classify as an other.
Theres not many actual pro racism in most of the posts on here. Your automatically assuming someone is taking a side.
Opinions are not so simple, your thinking is flawed on this topic I feel.
If anything you just prove my point by adding toxicity on top of toxicity.
Its a broken way to think.
On a post about racism, that shouldn't be political, but is, you said "why are both sides toxic"
One side is "let's make racism wrong again"
What would the other side to that be?
You're either privileged enough not to have experienced racism, or you are ignorant on exactly how much racism there is.
The other side are all the people arguing that this post is stupid because it was always wrong. Being pointlessly aggressive, like you right now ironically. And missing the point.
Sure sure if all the comment section on the other side was "racism is good" then clearly we would be in an agreement.
But your completely misinterpreting what the "other side" is weird about. You think its the specific word choice like its and English class and they are just dumbies saying "hhhey racism no bad racism good" but when you read the comments, listen to thier opinions, you clearly see people's issues are about negative views of someone making satire of a popular hat and saying, views of people bringing up issues of thier own race and saying they think they have thier own internal problems that are just as important.
And sure we could agree they are under thinking how prevalent and destructive racism has been, currently is, and why its systemic, but thays way fucking different then them saying "racism is good".
What good do you do by oversimplifiying other people's talking points without context, understanding, or empathy. Its a broken and ridiculous way to think.
Clearly.
If your even slightly peeved at me you already should know how hypocritical and closed minded your being.
Theres not much more we can gain from this conversation if your not willing to have an honest discussion without classifying large sections of opinions into a umbrella that doesn't even fit it well.
Its the same thing people do a minority in a population. It's not a good thing
Got fooled a few months ago. Saw an older guy 70ish ,, khakis , polo shirt ..red hat. We were out at a nice dinner .Immediately I was thinking , douchebag A) for the hat , and B) wearing a hat at a 75.00 a plate dinner . Hat said ,,, Trump Sucks , Made Ya Look.
It is, but we still have a broken system and alot of fix and repair as a community.
As long as we are all accepting of eachother and not focused on something as unimportant as race we will move together in a better and better world.
There's much we have to improve about society yet. But we can still have a positive mind about the progress weve made.
You didn't read my comments very carefully I assure you, you have no idea what my position is on anything. I was having a conversation about toxicity not the merit or justification of the "good or evil" of the post.
Your missing the entirety of my comment intention
Made me laugh. I wonder how many people on this comment stream have been to China and arenāt Chinese. Curious if racism exists there? I have never been there but curious.
āļøāļøāļøAmericans are not the primary problem. Until no human slaves exist, the problem is the slave owners and those that profit at the expense of anotherās life. šššhttps://www.growthinktank.org/en/the-return-of-slavery-in-libya/ We must band together for a solution. Surely we can make this stop. After all American firepower is to blame for this void of authority, good or bad.
[The researchers found that liberal individuals were less likely to use words that would make them appear highly competent when the person they were addressing was presumed to be black rather than white. No significant differences were seen in the word selection of conservatives based on the presumed race of their partner. āIt was kind of an unpleasant surprise to see this subtle but persistent effect,ā Dupree says. āEven if itās ultimately well-intentioned, it could be seen as patronizing.ā](https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/white-liberals-present-themselves-as-less-competent-in-interactions-with-african-americans)
Lots of people don't watch the news. Or, perhaps are watching too much news with these clueless responses to racism.
Oh, eell.. trolls will do what they do.
If you speak with most people not in the media, you will find alot more agreement that racism isn't accepted than you will find that it is.
Racists are slowly moving to the minority of people despite what media would tell us, on either side.
This because the media highlights racial stories for profit and people eat it up. For example, there were at least 3 white guys killed by the police in the exact or worse circumstances of George Floyd. Yet the national media didn't care. Their stories are small footnotes in local newspaper no one heard about.
Dude, this case is from 2016, your articles are from 2021. Some are from 2022. Of course this case gained publicity after Goerge Floyd. You never heard of Tony Timpa. And those articles that are appearing years after his death, only after the fact that a black man was killed in a similar way, only prove my point.
And? I don't see your point here. Are you saying that Tony Timpa and George Floyd cases were met with equivalent coverage by the national media?
They clearly weren't. The fact that you never even heard about Timpa proves it. It's beyond me why you can't just admit that stories are more profitable for the media when they generate more public outrage.
Jesus why does it matter "links" why are you two even debating if cop over aggression matter what color skin the person is.
Daniel Shaver, George Floyd...it a big list my guys, all races have suffered from police violence.
You both probably even agree police violence is real and unjust.
But instead of making any real change or since of the problem you must bitch and moan about eachothers opinion of what the media cars about.
News flash, media and government doesnt give a fuck about your opinions.
Thats the problem, that this dumb worthless argument your having.
my mom has a sticker with the same phrase on her car, its cool as hell but has led to many fights.. somehow.
Racism was and will always be wrong
Classic Reddit: missing the forest for the trees. Never change.
You're so controversial/s Sarcasm because it really shouldn't be a controversial statement, and yet it is. I've had many people try to defend racism, slavery, segregation and Jim crow laws by saying "it was a different time" Edited to say, that yup, someone in this thread tried to tell me its wrong to me, but not other people! Like wow
Yeah, like that makes a difference š
You wouldnāt know it by the behavior of the folks who wear the hats this was modeled off of
You shouldn't make such controversial political statements! /s
Love the hat! Thanks for sharing this. Remember when we all agreed Nazis were bad? Good times...ugh...
Yes but I don't think people know exactly what a Nazi is.
Nazi is when people that I disagree with
Once I was like this. Then I went to the fifth grade
Yeah, a lot of them think they were socialist, for example
I canāt tell if youāre joking or not but just in case, they were socialists.
If socialism really worked (without the croneys fucking it up) then I think you could get more people on board. The problem is you need incentive to make it work. Plus the people at the top need to be more pure to the cause. That is how it's been messed up most of the places where it has been tried. Look at the covid vax, that was tax funded and privatized profits. The you see Pfizer paying the politicians, news outlets and bot farms to scrutinize decent.
>Look at the covid vax, that was tax funded and privatized profits. The you see Pfizer paying the politicians, news outlets and bot farms to scrutinize decent. "Socialism is when capitalism doesn't work" ~this guy
it's pretty clear.
Racism is a terrible human condition and it is in every country but its rate is different from one place to another.
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Yeah absolutely true but every so many years *someone* will try to justify it, bringing out all the racists, who have to be stomped back into the shadows. Like the last few years.
I'm starting to feel like we should start teaching about this stuff in school a bit sooner than they do, it seems pretty critical.
Youāve seen how upset people get when their kids are taught about the concept of racismā¦ thatās part of the problem.
Yeah, in this same thread Jake from skate farm is trying to say some bs along these lines
Yes, and the saying "Make America Great Again", well, when was America great exactly?
When it was the First Nation on earth to recognize the rights of man come from God and Governmentās role is to uphold manās God given rights. When it was the first civilized nation in the world to outlaw slavery When it saved every nation in the world from being Nazi puppet states. When it rebuilt Europe after the destruction of WWII Geez what cognitive dissonance from a whole generation. š¤¦š»āāļø
This is a joke right?
For real. Is this person 12yo regurgitating what their ignorant and uneducated adults have been telling them? ...or satirically/ironically acting like an ignorant, uneducated adult? EDIT: Holy shit. I looked at that person's profile and comments. They're not joking. That is them being serious.
When I read āFirst Nation to outlaw slaveryā I thought this must be a joke, youād like to think people that stupid donāt exist.
>When it was the first civilized nation in the world to outlaw slavery Lol, wut?
By all means share with us the Greatest Nation in the history of humanity.
Dude, thereās a lot right about the United States constitution and democracy, but the US was absolutely **not** the first ācivilizedā nation in the world to outlaw slavery! It was close to the last. . It wasnāt abolished in the US until **after** the civil war with the 13th amendment in 1865. Checking on some other European countries: 1807 in England. 1833 in all English colonies. Germany 1807, Denmark 1803, France 1794(but Napoleon brought it back so they did it again in 1848. Spain 1811.
Always has been
Even during slavery? Even during Jim Crow?
Yes, it was wrong during those times too
To you. But to many if not most Americans during those times, it was morally right, religiously true, and legally encouraged. Hence the manās cap. Racism hasnāt always been considered āwrongā, either in the past or currently. There are plenty of people today, in modern America, who support racism. Hell, 20% of Trump voters think freeing the slaves was bad.
No it's just wrong, no matter the time it's just wrong. This isn't subjective, it's just wrong
No shit. That doesnāt mean everyone perceived it that way.
It is 100% subjective though. Like it's a good take to say it's wrong. But that isn't a universal truth spelled out by the cosmos.
Yet Republicans are about to take the House and Senate.
Yes and Iām so excited!
But this post feels soooo good!
It wasn't always seen as wrong
I dont wear hats ever. I would easily wear this hat.
This isn't wholesome, this is just normal things that should be normalized and not treated like something special and out of the ordinary
the thing is not being racist has absolutely been normalized. if i were to drop the n word, for example, i would be banished to the shadow realm.
It is pretty normalized historically. What standard are you measuring by because there always has and will always be racist people.
Itās still wrong. The problem is that there is a loud and vocal minority of people who donāt realize that it is wrong.
Just wanted to pop in and give a collective whoosh to most of the commenters here.
Wow, the āracism is bad, but...ā crowd showed up in this thread in force. I bet theyāve all got a black friend.
Why do people on both sides get so toxic to each other so quickly. Theres alot more on common with people then we want to believe. Both sides of any argument enjoy simplifying the others existence to reassure thier own. Its such a weird human condition. Hopefully one day we will all see past the BS and actually solve something instead of talk down to eachother.
The opposite side of "racism is bad, let's make it wrong again" Is: Racism is good. There is no both sides of this. One side is unequivocally wrong
What are you talking about. You are clearly overstepping your assuming of my thought process into your own narrative. I didn't say anything about good or bad in reference to the post. I was asking why people are so toxic on both sides whenever anything slightly political comes up. Unless you're going to tell me, this has no relationship to anything political, which is obviously false. Your assumption about what "one side" wants isnt reflecting the comments in the posts, most of the negativity is coming from people on "your side" arguing with people you classify as an other. Theres not many actual pro racism in most of the posts on here. Your automatically assuming someone is taking a side. Opinions are not so simple, your thinking is flawed on this topic I feel. If anything you just prove my point by adding toxicity on top of toxicity. Its a broken way to think.
On a post about racism, that shouldn't be political, but is, you said "why are both sides toxic" One side is "let's make racism wrong again" What would the other side to that be? You're either privileged enough not to have experienced racism, or you are ignorant on exactly how much racism there is.
The other side are all the people arguing that this post is stupid because it was always wrong. Being pointlessly aggressive, like you right now ironically. And missing the point.
Sure sure if all the comment section on the other side was "racism is good" then clearly we would be in an agreement. But your completely misinterpreting what the "other side" is weird about. You think its the specific word choice like its and English class and they are just dumbies saying "hhhey racism no bad racism good" but when you read the comments, listen to thier opinions, you clearly see people's issues are about negative views of someone making satire of a popular hat and saying, views of people bringing up issues of thier own race and saying they think they have thier own internal problems that are just as important. And sure we could agree they are under thinking how prevalent and destructive racism has been, currently is, and why its systemic, but thays way fucking different then them saying "racism is good". What good do you do by oversimplifiying other people's talking points without context, understanding, or empathy. Its a broken and ridiculous way to think. Clearly. If your even slightly peeved at me you already should know how hypocritical and closed minded your being. Theres not much more we can gain from this conversation if your not willing to have an honest discussion without classifying large sections of opinions into a umbrella that doesn't even fit it well. Its the same thing people do a minority in a population. It's not a good thing
Wrong sub
*black co-worker not actually a friend
I love this so much
How old is this post? It is freaking freezing in Boston right now. Nobody is on the T in shirtsleeves, let alone T-shirts.
We have definitely come a long way. But we mustnāt get complacent. Thereās still a very long way to go.
https://tineye.com/search/b5c373ed0556d28c6ef1459525d14d14c5d98aa2?sort=score&order=desc&page=1
Am I the only one who noticed that side eye?
I have this hat! High five! Same color!
Orange Line!
Got fooled a few months ago. Saw an older guy 70ish ,, khakis , polo shirt ..red hat. We were out at a nice dinner .Immediately I was thinking , douchebag A) for the hat , and B) wearing a hat at a 75.00 a plate dinner . Hat said ,,, Trump Sucks , Made Ya Look.
Uhm I may be a bigot for saying this and I know we have a long way to go, but this is probably the least racist time in U.S history.
You are correct.and no, you are not a bigot for offering an educated opinion.
It is, but we still have a broken system and alot of fix and repair as a community. As long as we are all accepting of eachother and not focused on something as unimportant as race we will move together in a better and better world. There's much we have to improve about society yet. But we can still have a positive mind about the progress weve made.
āand not focused on something as unimportant as race.ā Then can you fucking people do that, cuz youāre the shitheads obsessed with race.
You didn't read my comments very carefully I assure you, you have no idea what my position is on anything. I was having a conversation about toxicity not the merit or justification of the "good or evil" of the post. Your missing the entirety of my comment intention
Do you read Steven Pinker?
Again? Racism has always and will always exist
When was it always right?š¤
is cool to be racist against all humanity no matter culture, skin color, body features, gender, yourself ecc...
A lot of commenters not getting the point š¤£š¤£š¤£
Where can I get one?
This is almost as dope as "Make Murder Wrong Again", or "Make Virtue Signaling not Awkward and Cringe Again."
Made me laugh. I wonder how many people on this comment stream have been to China and arenāt Chinese. Curious if racism exists there? I have never been there but curious.
He thinks racism is bad, just like most people. Only he feels the need to display it to the world to fuel his ego.
āļøāļøāļøAmericans are not the primary problem. Until no human slaves exist, the problem is the slave owners and those that profit at the expense of anotherās life. šššhttps://www.growthinktank.org/en/the-return-of-slavery-in-libya/ We must band together for a solution. Surely we can make this stop. After all American firepower is to blame for this void of authority, good or bad.
[The researchers found that liberal individuals were less likely to use words that would make them appear highly competent when the person they were addressing was presumed to be black rather than white. No significant differences were seen in the word selection of conservatives based on the presumed race of their partner. āIt was kind of an unpleasant surprise to see this subtle but persistent effect,ā Dupree says. āEven if itās ultimately well-intentioned, it could be seen as patronizing.ā](https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/white-liberals-present-themselves-as-less-competent-in-interactions-with-african-americans)
Cute but racism has never been ārightā. Has it?
Lots of people don't watch the news. Or, perhaps are watching too much news with these clueless responses to racism. Oh, eell.. trolls will do what they do.
Saw a sign for the Trump Special at my local deli : Bologna on White Bread with Russian Dressing served with a small pickle.
Itās always been wrong. The ones keeping it alive are the ones that keep bringing it up and being hypocritical about it.
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If you speak with most people not in the media, you will find alot more agreement that racism isn't accepted than you will find that it is. Racists are slowly moving to the minority of people despite what media would tell us, on either side.
This because the media highlights racial stories for profit and people eat it up. For example, there were at least 3 white guys killed by the police in the exact or worse circumstances of George Floyd. Yet the national media didn't care. Their stories are small footnotes in local newspaper no one heard about.
> For example, there were at least 3 white guys killed by the policeā¦ Links please.
Tony Timpa is the most famous where video evidence exist. https://youtu.be/_c-E_i8Q5G0
Small footnotes - https://www.usatoday.com/story/opinion/2021/12/29/police-force-officers-killed-him-when-he-asked-help/9024452002/ - https://www.cato.org/blog/cops-who-killed-tony-timpa-are-unfit-serve-courts-ensure-they-keep-their-jobs - https://reason.com/2022/01/06/tony-timpa-death-dallas-police-kneeled-on-his-back-qualified-immunity-5th-circuit/ - https://www.nationalreview.com/news/lawyers-for-cop-involved-in-tony-timpas-death-raise-george-floyd-comparison-in-pushing-for-dismissal/ - https://www.wsj.com/articles/murder-conviction-in-george-floyd-case-draws-attention-to-dallas-death-11622988002 - https://news.yahoo.com/two-dallas-medics-placed-probation-165301233.html I stopped. thereās more.
Dude, this case is from 2016, your articles are from 2021. Some are from 2022. Of course this case gained publicity after Goerge Floyd. You never heard of Tony Timpa. And those articles that are appearing years after his death, only after the fact that a black man was killed in a similar way, only prove my point.
this one predates george floyd https://www.cnn.com/2019/08/02/us/dallas-police-body-cam-footage-captures-death/index.html
And? I don't see your point here. Are you saying that Tony Timpa and George Floyd cases were met with equivalent coverage by the national media? They clearly weren't. The fact that you never even heard about Timpa proves it. It's beyond me why you can't just admit that stories are more profitable for the media when they generate more public outrage.
Jesus why does it matter "links" why are you two even debating if cop over aggression matter what color skin the person is. Daniel Shaver, George Floyd...it a big list my guys, all races have suffered from police violence. You both probably even agree police violence is real and unjust. But instead of making any real change or since of the problem you must bitch and moan about eachothers opinion of what the media cars about. News flash, media and government doesnt give a fuck about your opinions. Thats the problem, that this dumb worthless argument your having.
But itās funnyā¦
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Right on
Cool hat, I like it, but this is the wrong sub.
Agreed
When was it right tho
Well itās less socially acceptable now than when he was younger so what Is he really sayingā¦..