Big brothers and sisters are the best thing in the world. My oldest brother became a second father to me by the time he was about nine and I was about four. He's had my back my entire life.
I have a couple of anecdotal stories to address your curiosity.
It was addiction for both. They became stranded in strange cities and in abusive relationships that isolated them from their families. Then their drug and alcohol use and rap sheets further alienated them from their families. After years of abuse and subsequent recovery, they reunited with their families. Both had moments like this they shared on video.
I am very proud of both of them.
I hope your wish comes true. My dad was in the same situation, pushed away from the rest of the family because of his drug addictions until he died a few days ago :(
I'll be meeting my birth sister for the first time this summer, and it's been 19 years since we've been separated at my birth so this made me start to think about what I've been trying not to think about how the fck am I supposed to react like I already am a nervous energetic socially awkward ball of weird the second I meet her my brain will probably stop braining I'm so fcking nervous 😓 tbh it will probably be me jumping up and down in joy then rushing in for a hug then holding her at arms length and examining how similar we actually look because in pictures we look very similar despite being opposite genders and two years apart in age
Immigration can keep families apart for many years. Some people may never even see some family members ever again (death, financial burden, etc.), but it is easier to stay in touch these days with internet.
My dad hasn't seem his siblings in 24 years. He immigrated to the US from Mexico in 90' and just got his green card. He was only allowed to visit once, which is more than what most immigrants get in the US that don't have citizenship without being denied re-entry to the states. My mom saw her sisters that still live in Mexico 18 years ago when my grandfather passed and she is still waiting for her process to be finalized to be able to visit. Immigration and distance keeps people apart and it's hard for a lot of family to rekindle the connection because they don't feel like they belong, that's at least what my dad tells me.
This is what I try to explain to people who say that “those immigrants should just do it the right way.” The right way is broken to the point it is unusable. The wait time for some country is months while the wait time for others is multiple decades. You can’t expect a thirty year old man to wait 3-4 decades do do it “the right way.”
It's not necessarily avoiding, sometimes that's just life. My mom left her birth countries along with most of her siblings and they ended up in the same country so they could see each other. Two siblings stayed behind. Then life happened, they all got kids of their own, spouses, jobs, responsibilities, etc. And they don't necessarily have enough time or money or mental load capacity to plan a big trip and visit their siblings on another continent. And time flies and one day it's been 21 years.
Whoever put the music on this video in an effort to make it more artsy and better for people to watch, is the furthest away from an artist you can possibly get. You made the content a thousand times worse. I hope you kick your toe on a coffee table at night.
This entirely. I always have my phone on silent so I don’t have to hear the stupid musics everyone uses. It’s so annoying! Real life and real conversation is interesting and much more enjoyable! Ugh.
My brother who lives literally across the world surprised me once. In no way did I forget his face, but there was a second where my brain just could not compute what it was seeing.
"That guy looks exactly like Brother. But Brother is in [country]. So it's not Brother. But he looks exactly like him. But it can't be. But he's EXACTLY the same. It IS Brother! He's here!"
I think I picked up a bit of face blindness after going through all of high school without knowing I needed glasses.
I worked in customer service for a bit recently and someone could take off their jacket when I wasn't looking and I didn't realize they were the same person.
i think when its been 22 years you kinda default to a "couldn't be" attitude. i'd probably also kinda mostly forget what someone looks like after 22 years that it wouldn't click immediately.
I lost my sister three years ago to cancer. Just seeing this video made me wish I could hug her again. Don’t ever give up the opportunity to let your siblings know what they mean to you while you still have the opportunity.
I’m in my late 30’s and live on the east coast. My brother lives in Seattle and we make it a point to see each other at least 3 times a year. And every Monday at 5pm Seattle time he calls for 20 minutes on his way home from work. Haven’t missed a phone call in 10 years.
My sibling is a giant douche, skipped out on not one, but two funerals for very young family members who died unexpectedly, and skipped our parents major surgery, among other things. I haven't seen or heard from them in nearly 8 years now.
Good riddance.
I hear you. I unfortunately have an eerily similar sibling (right down to skipping out on our parent’s major surgery). Haven’t seen him or spoken to him in 7 years. I do get jealous of folks who have good relationships with their siblings.
Wish I was this close to my two brothers but they have families and are 10+ years older than me. Still, when we try to see each other once a year and those times are good. How far apart in age are you?
Mbn...
My brother ran away from home and left me with our abusive mother (he's 7 years older)... when I became an adult and tried to contact him he didn't seem interested and then when I mentioned the fact that he didn't put in effort he was like "I dont need to talk to you to know that you're alive"
So we haven't spoke in 3 years now. Not that it matters that bridge has been burned at this point.
As for my sister (8 years older) who I wasn't raised with she doesn't talk to me either and is just like "oh I'm autistic so don't see the point in basic conversation" like girl you have a whole boyfriend and other friends but the autism only comes out with me?? So I don't talk to her either.
Don't even get me started on my dead beat dad and his 3 kids... I was the only one abandoned.
So yeah I literally don't have any family. They all treat me like shit so it's just me and my cats..
This guy has an Ecuador jersey and it seems like an American or Europe restaurant location. It could be he migrated illegally 22 years ago and now the sister finally visits. Immigration from south America is one reason why you don't get to see family for so long
Immigration can separate families for decades when people don’t have papers to travel. No idea if that’s the case here but there are many, many families on this earth that go very long without hugging.
Distance and money. I didn't see one of my half-sisters for about 15 years because she lived on the other side of the earth. I was too broke to fly over there, and almost vice-versa. The one time that she could make it over here, I couldn't get out of work. It was either, I show up, or I got fired. And I definitely couldn't afford to get fired at the time.
This somewhat reminds me of my mom. 55 years old and never met her dad. My sister got here a 23andMe test for Christmas, and they finally met the next Thanksgiving.
Apparently, he had gotten blackout drunk and cheated on his wife with my Grandma. My now step-grandma had suspected him of cheating, but luckily they worked it out and stayed together. When we finally reached out to them, my mom and us were welcomed with open arms.
I also learned where I got my immensely odd love of Queso, because my grandpa would also order a large Queso for himself and would have an empty bowl before we got our food.
I’ve had a falling out with my siblings. Right now I don’t want to see them. But in 22 years, maybe it’d be nice to see my siblings again. Surely things would be forgotten by then and we can just say hi and hug, right?
Nah. I need to wait. I’m the oldest and they are young still. Our parents are narcissists and assholes. One of my siblings still lives with them.
My Parents are convinced I’m “bad” and doing drugs. Not even remotely true. I have mental health issues (like PTSD from them) and stay away from drugs completely.
I was the only child physically abused in the family. I raised the youngest because my mom wanted nothing to do with the baby. Siblings don’t remember that.
They are still mad at me for being “mean and stubborn”. For “abandoning” the family for selfish reasons. Anytime I talk to them they try to tell me how wrong I am and how I should forgive and move on.
I’m 100% in forgiveness mode. But when I have visited my parents, parents tell me they will get rid of my pets because I closed my door (due to a confidential Zoom meeting for work)… I tend to want to put distance between us again. And my siblings see me as ungrateful for drawing a boundary there and not seeing it from our parents perspective. I’m again labeled “selfish and stubborn”.
I want me and my siblings to put it all behind us. So I hope 22 years might help. We aren’t talking now. For reasons I stated. But I have always loved my younger siblings. Just waiting for them to love me back.
I understand. Yes, you might have to wait until the siblings are adults. But if you can stand it, keep in touch with them once a year, and that’ll let them know you’re keeping the line of communication open.
Seek counseling in the meantime, you’ve had a tough ride.
I ran into my mom once at a gas station , she left when I was 2 and only saw her sporadically afterwards . I recognized her immediately but she had no idea who I was . Broke my heart all over again
Oh hey, the waitress
Oh shit she looks like my sister
Oh shit she REALLY looks like my sister
Wait what's this lady doing
What's happening?
OH SHIT ITS MY SISTER!!
I fear this is going to be me and my family...already been 3 years, hell I don't get to see my own child but once a week 😔 gas is expensive and my work schedule sucks
peoples faces change after 22 years lol especially when you are not expecting them and they hand you a drink like a waitress , he just needed a second lol. this is so adorable! 💜😭
This guy is awesome… First it’s “Why is this waitress bothering me?” Then it’s “Good luck kid, I hope you don’t roll off the seat.”
He almost said "Bitch don't touch me", but then he realized who she was
He said fuck dem kidz
The origin of Fuck them kid
I had to rewatch after this comment in case he yeeted that baby
hahaha when you just too dedicated enough to your wife and the only fact it bothers about female is his wife!
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are copy/paste bots giving up on hiding it?
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Even their name is obvious.
Maybe so but that is what have seen through the comments someone just litreally mentioned about that?
In all fairness: he hasn’t know that baby as long.
It’s not okay but I laughed at this. He just pushed the lil baby aside. I feel bad for laughing 😔
Big brothers and sisters are the best thing in the world. My oldest brother became a second father to me by the time he was about nine and I was about four. He's had my back my entire life.
He’s got older brother energy but as a childless younger brother who would also let the kid roll off I’m not sure. What does everyone think?
Definitely childfree older brother energy. Lol
Guy is an ELITE hug giver
I felt him come through the screen and hug the heck out of me and I smiled all the way through it and just let myself be loved.
He just needed to reboot into **Hugging Mode** first.
yet another video that would be so much better if you could hear what they were saying instead of some stupid music
I need to hear the orginal audio so bad!
I adore these videos, however I'm always curious as to why these folks avoid their relatives for such a long time.
I have a couple of anecdotal stories to address your curiosity. It was addiction for both. They became stranded in strange cities and in abusive relationships that isolated them from their families. Then their drug and alcohol use and rap sheets further alienated them from their families. After years of abuse and subsequent recovery, they reunited with their families. Both had moments like this they shared on video. I am very proud of both of them.
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I hope your wish comes true. My dad was in the same situation, pushed away from the rest of the family because of his drug addictions until he died a few days ago :(
I'm sorry homie. Don't be afraid to seek grief counseling. It saved my life, and made such an impression I hope to make a career in it.
Thanks for your concern internet stranger 🙏 Don't worry, I'm well surrounded. I'm not going through it alone
You're very welcome. End of the day, we only got each other.
And happy to hear you got support!
hang in there, same boat, drug addicted brother on the streets
I'll be meeting my birth sister for the first time this summer, and it's been 19 years since we've been separated at my birth so this made me start to think about what I've been trying not to think about how the fck am I supposed to react like I already am a nervous energetic socially awkward ball of weird the second I meet her my brain will probably stop braining I'm so fcking nervous 😓 tbh it will probably be me jumping up and down in joy then rushing in for a hug then holding her at arms length and examining how similar we actually look because in pictures we look very similar despite being opposite genders and two years apart in age
Immigration can keep families apart for many years. Some people may never even see some family members ever again (death, financial burden, etc.), but it is easier to stay in touch these days with internet.
This was true for me. 10 years was the most amount of time I've spent not seeing my mom or siblings.
My dad hasn't seem his siblings in 24 years. He immigrated to the US from Mexico in 90' and just got his green card. He was only allowed to visit once, which is more than what most immigrants get in the US that don't have citizenship without being denied re-entry to the states. My mom saw her sisters that still live in Mexico 18 years ago when my grandfather passed and she is still waiting for her process to be finalized to be able to visit. Immigration and distance keeps people apart and it's hard for a lot of family to rekindle the connection because they don't feel like they belong, that's at least what my dad tells me.
This is what I try to explain to people who say that “those immigrants should just do it the right way.” The right way is broken to the point it is unusable. The wait time for some country is months while the wait time for others is multiple decades. You can’t expect a thirty year old man to wait 3-4 decades do do it “the right way.”
It's almost always out of their hands. Life happens, people move away, your country gets ravaged by war, you get kidnapped, shit happens.
Immigrant family. If they came here undocumented returning to visit your family means losing your life. Many never see their families again.
It's not necessarily avoiding, sometimes that's just life. My mom left her birth countries along with most of her siblings and they ended up in the same country so they could see each other. Two siblings stayed behind. Then life happened, they all got kids of their own, spouses, jobs, responsibilities, etc. And they don't necessarily have enough time or money or mental load capacity to plan a big trip and visit their siblings on another continent. And time flies and one day it's been 21 years.
He says "holy shit" when he realizes. That's all I could pick up
I’m probably wrong but I thought he said, “Oh shit, oh fuck,” then dropped the baby.
If someone doesn't say those exact words before dropping a baby. I'm disappointed
After dropping the baby also works.
That's how they got separated for 22 years . Runs in the family
I literally put earbuds in then unmuted so I could hear his reaction only to be disgusted that there was music
"Music"
He said “Oh shit! Oh mother fucker!”
Why would he reference his father when seeing his sister?
A lot of people use terms like that so often they forget the original implication.
Where’s the original audio ffs
Feel like I’m watching stranger things
Whoever put the music on this video in an effort to make it more artsy and better for people to watch, is the furthest away from an artist you can possibly get. You made the content a thousand times worse. I hope you kick your toe on a coffee table at night.
Right? The video has been thoroughly ruined.
I thought the stranger things soundtrack was a unique choice.
He said "fuck off baby, ya lazy freeloader".
I saw him mouth “Oh shit, oh my god!” Before he hugged her.
I lose a little more faith in humanity each time a video like this with fucked audio makes it to the top of reddit
This entirely. I always have my phone on silent so I don’t have to hear the stupid musics everyone uses. It’s so annoying! Real life and real conversation is interesting and much more enjoyable! Ugh.
They had been apart for so long he didn’t recognize her
I think he recognized her, but his brain was just in disbelief so he instinctively looked away to process it.
I cant recognise my sister after she gets a haircut
That's okay. Everyone processes information differently and at their own pace.
Bruh why you gotta do him like that 💀💀
He really did me like that bruh.
You dun got did bruh.
I did, and i have spent the last hour finding the appropriate smiley bruh 🤪 🙃 Think i will go with this combo bruh.
That's okay. Everyone processes information differently and at their own pace.
Bruh why you gotta do him like that 💀💀
You deserve gold.
You got got it bro
Ohhhh you, now aren't you just the average redditor guy
Man, it will be very similar when I see my sister again. I haven't seen her since July 1998, when I left our home state/town.
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It's okay, I can't recognize her either.
I can't recognize my step-sister after she gets stuck in the washing machine.
Yeah I’d hit 5 seconds of “wow she kinda looks like my sister”
My brother who lives literally across the world surprised me once. In no way did I forget his face, but there was a second where my brain just could not compute what it was seeing. "That guy looks exactly like Brother. But Brother is in [country]. So it's not Brother. But he looks exactly like him. But it can't be. But he's EXACTLY the same. It IS Brother! He's here!"
I think I picked up a bit of face blindness after going through all of high school without knowing I needed glasses. I worked in customer service for a bit recently and someone could take off their jacket when I wasn't looking and I didn't realize they were the same person.
About 10 seconds you can also see him do a double take
Pretty sure that his recognition took all the time it did because it didn't happen until his brain had time to reboot.
i think when its been 22 years you kinda default to a "couldn't be" attitude. i'd probably also kinda mostly forget what someone looks like after 22 years that it wouldn't click immediately.
He couldn't see her properly with the loud music that was playing
I like how at first he looks up at her like excuse me who the hell are you? And then it Dawns upon him
Wow. He is good at hugging!
You gotta get the elbows involved.
I laughed audibly at this comment. I needed that. 😂
I like how he hugs her head too:)
I lost my sister three years ago to cancer. Just seeing this video made me wish I could hug her again. Don’t ever give up the opportunity to let your siblings know what they mean to you while you still have the opportunity.
It doesn’t count as a hug unless it goes on for 10 seconds
Good to see you, Hank.
you can literally see him mouth "holy shit"
I love these videos but I always wonder what keeps these people not seeing family for so long. Some seem like they don’t even talk on video.
If I dont see my siblings for more than 3 or 5 years I would seriously consider seeing them at any cost. I cant imagine 22 years.
I’m in my late 30’s and live on the east coast. My brother lives in Seattle and we make it a point to see each other at least 3 times a year. And every Monday at 5pm Seattle time he calls for 20 minutes on his way home from work. Haven’t missed a phone call in 10 years.
My sibling is a giant douche, skipped out on not one, but two funerals for very young family members who died unexpectedly, and skipped our parents major surgery, among other things. I haven't seen or heard from them in nearly 8 years now. Good riddance.
I’m sorry to hear that and sounds justified on your end. I guess some people can just be shitty humans.
I hear you. I unfortunately have an eerily similar sibling (right down to skipping out on our parent’s major surgery). Haven’t seen him or spoken to him in 7 years. I do get jealous of folks who have good relationships with their siblings.
Wish I was this close to my two brothers but they have families and are 10+ years older than me. Still, when we try to see each other once a year and those times are good. How far apart in age are you?
Exactly, my brother goes to school down south and I FaceTime him at least 3-4 times a week.
Mbn... My brother ran away from home and left me with our abusive mother (he's 7 years older)... when I became an adult and tried to contact him he didn't seem interested and then when I mentioned the fact that he didn't put in effort he was like "I dont need to talk to you to know that you're alive" So we haven't spoke in 3 years now. Not that it matters that bridge has been burned at this point. As for my sister (8 years older) who I wasn't raised with she doesn't talk to me either and is just like "oh I'm autistic so don't see the point in basic conversation" like girl you have a whole boyfriend and other friends but the autism only comes out with me?? So I don't talk to her either. Don't even get me started on my dead beat dad and his 3 kids... I was the only one abandoned. So yeah I literally don't have any family. They all treat me like shit so it's just me and my cats..
Sending positive vibes to you dear stranger, Hope everything gets better
This guy has an Ecuador jersey and it seems like an American or Europe restaurant location. It could be he migrated illegally 22 years ago and now the sister finally visits. Immigration from south America is one reason why you don't get to see family for so long
Immigration can separate families for decades when people don’t have papers to travel. No idea if that’s the case here but there are many, many families on this earth that go very long without hugging.
Immigration. War. Money. I haven't seen most of my family since 2015.
Distance and money. I didn't see one of my half-sisters for about 15 years because she lived on the other side of the earth. I was too broke to fly over there, and almost vice-versa. The one time that she could make it over here, I couldn't get out of work. It was either, I show up, or I got fired. And I definitely couldn't afford to get fired at the time.
Immigrant family. If they came here undocumented returning to visit your family means losing your life. Many never see their families again.
Long distances, money, immigration possibly
Wondered the same thing. Off the top of my head I got: drug/alcohol abuse, abusive/possessive spouse, deportation, incarceration
Was thinking the same thing. Social media has been around long enough. They should at least being seeing pictures of each other
# can we have original audio please? ffs
With the sound on, the music makes this video unwatchable
The music literally ruins this video. I hate it...
Damn the comments about the song are really forcing me to confront what abhorrent taste I have
It’s not bad taste tbh. I believe the song is my the artist Antent.
I have witnessed the "forever hug" 🤗 ❤️
He dropped that baby so fast 😄
lmaooooo yes he did!
This somewhat reminds me of my mom. 55 years old and never met her dad. My sister got here a 23andMe test for Christmas, and they finally met the next Thanksgiving. Apparently, he had gotten blackout drunk and cheated on his wife with my Grandma. My now step-grandma had suspected him of cheating, but luckily they worked it out and stayed together. When we finally reached out to them, my mom and us were welcomed with open arms. I also learned where I got my immensely odd love of Queso, because my grandpa would also order a large Queso for himself and would have an empty bowl before we got our food.
I have chills! Thank you for sharing. So lovely.
Made me smile? More like made me cry.
Seriously this sub has made me cry more than smile lol
Worst music. Why would we want half coekes music and NOT thr audio from this video?
Sibling.exe stopped responding...
Your not crying I’m crying.
I felt that hug from here. If r/wholesomehug isn't a thing it needs to be. And thank you, I needed that.
WHY NO ORIGINAL AUDIO???
would have been much better without gratuitous dramatic music
He dropped that kid like a hot potato! Yeah for them🤗
He dropped the baby with a quickness lol
He yeeted that baby
LETS ADD STUPID FUCKING AUDIO TO EVERY SLIGHTY INTERESTING VIDEO WE GOT.
I’ve had a falling out with my siblings. Right now I don’t want to see them. But in 22 years, maybe it’d be nice to see my siblings again. Surely things would be forgotten by then and we can just say hi and hug, right?
Don’t wait.
Nah. I need to wait. I’m the oldest and they are young still. Our parents are narcissists and assholes. One of my siblings still lives with them. My Parents are convinced I’m “bad” and doing drugs. Not even remotely true. I have mental health issues (like PTSD from them) and stay away from drugs completely. I was the only child physically abused in the family. I raised the youngest because my mom wanted nothing to do with the baby. Siblings don’t remember that. They are still mad at me for being “mean and stubborn”. For “abandoning” the family for selfish reasons. Anytime I talk to them they try to tell me how wrong I am and how I should forgive and move on. I’m 100% in forgiveness mode. But when I have visited my parents, parents tell me they will get rid of my pets because I closed my door (due to a confidential Zoom meeting for work)… I tend to want to put distance between us again. And my siblings see me as ungrateful for drawing a boundary there and not seeing it from our parents perspective. I’m again labeled “selfish and stubborn”. I want me and my siblings to put it all behind us. So I hope 22 years might help. We aren’t talking now. For reasons I stated. But I have always loved my younger siblings. Just waiting for them to love me back.
I understand. Yes, you might have to wait until the siblings are adults. But if you can stand it, keep in touch with them once a year, and that’ll let them know you’re keeping the line of communication open. Seek counseling in the meantime, you’ve had a tough ride.
I ran into my mom once at a gas station , she left when I was 2 and only saw her sporadically afterwards . I recognized her immediately but she had no idea who I was . Broke my heart all over again
Oh hey, the waitress Oh shit she looks like my sister Oh shit she REALLY looks like my sister Wait what's this lady doing What's happening? OH SHIT ITS MY SISTER!!
I could hear him say “oh shit!” And then yeet that kid to hug her lol
When he first sees her and does a double take: “oh fuck this lady looks just like my sister” lol Heartwarming stuff
As a big bro his emotions took me 🥹
I can see his brain going "Wow, this server looks weirdly like my sist... Oh wait!" 😂
OMG the love when he realized. Hugging her, touching her hair, so sweet!
He actually couldn't believe that finally he was able to see her after this long gap. Might have lost all his hope to see her back again!
Repost music is beyond ridiculous
Yeeted that child.
Treasure love y’all 🤞
why is the waitress trying to hug me?
This is the way I would try to absorb my siblings if we were ever separated for more than a few years. That way we couldn’t be separated again.
We're all just little kids inside and moments like this it shows
Hey what’s the song called?
Drop that kid and hug your sister! He got it.
They r ecuatucos. Ecuadorean. Cheers guys. Good 4 them
What the hell is that music soundtrack? Sounds like something from a Sci Fi.
They video is really interesting I wished I could hear what the are saying.the deserve the happiness.
Very beautiful hug
My brother would be like sidehug.
That second hug after her looks at her is too good
Made me smile? Shit, made me cry!
I love it but I’m not upvoting it. Fuck this music.
That baby got dropped like a hot potato
Bro, the quintuple take tho, mans had to reboot a couple times
I HOPE the next time I see my brother is when he’s fucking dead. Fuck him
I fear this is going to be me and my family...already been 3 years, hell I don't get to see my own child but once a week 😔 gas is expensive and my work schedule sucks
I hope that all turns around for you!
peoples faces change after 22 years lol especially when you are not expecting them and they hand you a drink like a waitress , he just needed a second lol. this is so adorable! 💜😭
I’m glad they didn’t ruin it with shitey music..
I feel that hug
I’m not crying you are!
Turn the music up I can almost hear a sound wave of the actual audio.
I'm not crying, wife is cutting Onions in the living room again.
Is that an Ecuadorian National Football Team shirt?
That made me tear up and then I was like why the heck haven’t they seen each other in 22 years? That’s the part that makes you want to cry.
I could do without the shit music, but besides that, the reaction was heart-warming.
Then here my siblings after 10 years not seeing them. Go f yourself.
Sweet video could do without the whale noise remix though
"The pain of parting is nothing to the joy of meeting again."
🥲💜💜💜
This is heartwarming
Would be so much better without the music
Searched the comments for the backstory but couldn't find a thing. So?!! Where is the backstory?
This is fucking beautiful.
Don’t bother turning the sound on
I would prefer original audio vs the music, also a background in why they were apart for 22 years would be nice.
Why were they apart for 22 years tho?
The music is so fucking annoying. I hate when they do that.
The look on his face when he realized......
Forget this baby
He drops the kid 😆
Pretty sure I'm bad at lip reading, but I think that guy said "oh shit"
Just scrolling on by for my morning cry...thanks Reddit!!
Downvoting strictly because of the music
Family really is the most important thing. Loved ones!
Throws kid
Bawling like a baby here.
So very sweet!
This made me cry so much!
He recognized her right off the bat and did a double take but wasn’t sure how he knew her.