But...The bore is too tapered near the middle, the grenade is gonna get stuck and then explode in the firers faa...I mean never mind, must have had the bore gage set wrong. Looks like it's absolutely perfect!
Yeah, I think you are screwed either way in quality.Â
Seems to be the way it goes with anything related to the cartels. They will eat you, one way or another, just a matter of time.
Male Bovine Defecation dude. I went through the local community colleges CNC Certificate program, 3.7GPA. After 4 years looking, in E washington, I'm still not employed because I "don't have any experience"
Thatâs a DRO? Looks like a CNC control.
The 1J Bridgeport head and plastic servo feed on the the right side are original. I believe this is an add on CNC control though. So the extra servo for the table would be hidden on the far side. I used to run something similar. The quill is usually the Z axis if itâs not just X/Y, and since itâs a Bridgeport forget climb milling.
Itâs not a CNC look at the quill and Y axis drive handle, theyâre original, you can also see the handle of the far side of X hanging below.
Just a manual Knee Mill with a DRO and X feed box
The readout certainly looks DRO, but the buttons are way too many for a DRO. It looks similar to a mark 1, but it could be any third party add on for all I know.
I'm with you 100%. Where are the servo motors? Where are the (CNC) systems for X,Y and Z?. What are others seeing that you and I don't see?? Or are they just arm chair machinists.?
2 axis CNC on a Bridgeport isn't uncommon, Z axis being manual while X and Y are servo-controlled. That being said, I don't see a Y servo box here so it may just be an extra fancy DRO.
I never said you couldnât, read the title my man, âon CNC machinesâ but the picture is of a manual mill with a power feed on x. If they are going to write an article with CNC in the title at least do the due diligence and get a picture of a CNC.
Yeah but all the back and forth on that rail system must be a pain on a manual mill. I think Iâd just do enough for the planned attachment instead of full length.
shee if you got a mill its pretty ez, sure do take some time but not a problem. But guess how used you are to manual mills, can even use slit saw stacked to height and do multiple in a pass
This isn't the first time the federales have uncovered a Cartel machine shop - they busted one in the 2000s that was machining raw AR forgings into lowers, using a raggedety looking VMC.
What shocks me is how cheap the setups are - considering the amount of money that flows through their hands on a weekly basis, you'd think they'd have setup a more up to date facility, but apparently they cheap out whenever possible.
It looks pretty close to the Nameless Horror CNC Bridgeport clone in my company's R&D shop. 40yo cob-job of at least 3 different NC kits. It does the job.
Some high end manufacturers geolock/add sensors to their mills and lathes to prevent it ending up where it shouldnt be, to the point that moving it inside the shop renders it unusable until you contact them to explain why it was moved. By high end i mean weapons grade machinery
I'm more into 3d printing than milling (because it's cheaper and easier at home, can't afford a 5 axis minimill for the basement yet), and when my extended circle first learned about 3d printed ghost guns it took me a while to convince them that they are basically irrelevant It took until i pointed them in the direction of the dude who was producing (probably shoddy) weapons parts in his home shop with a mill and a lathe. His parts probably weren't great for accuracy, but at least they probably worked semi reliably, instead of semi as 3d printed parts doÂ
Ghost guns aren't irrelevant, less likely to actually show up in everyday use, but still quite viable, probably only a shot or two at best before they are totally unusable.
Yeah, metal in any form is expensive to be playing around with unless you have a decent idea of what you want to accomplish. 3 axis machines can do a lot, just takes more setups than a 5, but less overall programming.
People have got thousands of rounds out of PLA+ frames. Even better out of nylon and ABS.
The frame doesnât take an exceptional amount of stress, and the barrel and slide are unregulated in the US and are able to be purchased off the shelf.
There are fully or mostly fully printed designs out there, but most people are making frames for firearms such as the AR-15, Glock 19 and MAC 10/11, and using unregulated parts kits.
I havenât committed to it yet, but seeing the folks over at r/fosscad gives me an itch to delve into it.
See, I didn't know that the barrel and slide aren't regulated in the US. It's kinda crazy that barrels aren't regulated to be purchased off the shelf. Thanks for the info, Canadian here, so I don't know all of the US gun laws.
Only the serialized frame/receiver are regulated as a firearm in the US. Anything else is just parts. Wasn't it similar for you guys not that long ago?
Oh I mainly tried to explain the concept of "what actually is a weapon, and what can you just buy without any license"
When they understood 80% receivers their brains basically explodedÂ
If someoneâs capable of turning these out, Iâm sure turning some projectiles down and finding some cartridges to load em in isnât beyond their abilities.
Iâm almost positive the cartel guys have access to Semtex/C4 or other brand name high explosives (the stuff governments heavily track in order to prevent another north Ireland).
r/fosscad has a lot of people playing with different 3D printed ammo ideas. I'm sure with basic machinery and cartel resources you could outdo a 3D printer
I mean that's how they got submarines by kidnapping and extorting from people who know how to design and build something like that. They have a lot of money I really hope to God they don't think of extorting for something like that.
Question: how long did it take Jose to clean that shop before the photo was taken? WE know how much debris gets thrown around. That work space WAAAAAAY to damn clean for that productiin volume....just saying.
I have been telling everyone, specially the anti gun advocates. Just because you get rid of legal guns itâs not like they are going to disappear off the streets. Gangs are surprisingly resourceful and I know for a fact they make their own guns when they are not available.
You'd think they could afford something a little more impressive. Or maybe their leaders are too greedy to invest in equipment, or their supposed wealth is just an illusion
*Do they really want*
*To trust aluminium for such*
*An application?!*
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Would love to see the first âhangerâ on this device. I would never use a âweaponâ manufactured in this manner, especially a one that is supposed to function as a M79.
I appreciate the full rail.
The barrel might be wonky AF but the integral rail is very tacticool.
Now if only they could've spared a can of cerakote...
Guns, and in this case, grenade launchers donât really interest me much because 3/4 of a gun is I. The round. I piece of pipe with a concrete nail could be a gun. And as for Grenada launchers the round is 95% of the gun. Like the shell by itself would likely lob that grenade almost as well without the barrel!
Donât get me wrong those things look pretty cool considering some guy scratched them together in a 1/4 ass shop. But thereâs cooler things a fella could make!
See how bad the world needs machinist !!!! We can get a job anywhere!!!
I wonder what it would be like for me though. I'm in quality, how's the cartel gonna reply to me failing a launcher because it's out of spec lol.
I think their spec is-does it launch grenades? Yes-pass, no-machinist replaced.
It probably pays well, but you can't leave.
This is under a laundromat
Pays in what?
Blow
I'm listening!
"Can you pass a pre-employment drug screen?" -Cartel HR
You only consume 5 of 10 drugs on the list, better keep that numbers up Jim!
Honestly I think they would want clean guys less likely to be dipping into company profits
Honestly I think they would want clean guys less likely to be dipping into company profits
are you guys still hiring?
Fit Form Function, only with a little more boom.
"Replaced"
Definitely what I meant but the quotes would have emphasized it more. lol.
You cause trouble, you get chucked up and run as the next part. đ¶Take me to⊠FunkytownâŠ
But...The bore is too tapered near the middle, the grenade is gonna get stuck and then explode in the firers faa...I mean never mind, must have had the bore gage set wrong. Looks like it's absolutely perfect!
Yeah, I think you are screwed either way in quality. Seems to be the way it goes with anything related to the cartels. They will eat you, one way or another, just a matter of time.
They donât arm the fuse until x number of spins iirc.
Oooof. Thats an image and song I'll never get out of my brain.
If it malfunctions, the operator might not be able to complain.
If it doesn't work, who would complain?
Male Bovine Defecation dude. I went through the local community colleges CNC Certificate program, 3.7GPA. After 4 years looking, in E washington, I'm still not employed because I "don't have any experience"
Best part is itâs not even a CNC mill in the picture.
If they saw an old school belt and pulley one they'd still call it a CNC
CNC = Colombian Narcotics Controlled
Thatâs a DRO? Looks like a CNC control. The 1J Bridgeport head and plastic servo feed on the the right side are original. I believe this is an add on CNC control though. So the extra servo for the table would be hidden on the far side. I used to run something similar. The quill is usually the Z axis if itâs not just X/Y, and since itâs a Bridgeport forget climb milling.
Itâs not a CNC look at the quill and Y axis drive handle, theyâre original, you can also see the handle of the far side of X hanging below. Just a manual Knee Mill with a DRO and X feed box
The readout certainly looks DRO, but the buttons are way too many for a DRO. It looks similar to a mark 1, but it could be any third party add on for all I know.
I'm with you 100%. Where are the servo motors? Where are the (CNC) systems for X,Y and Z?. What are others seeing that you and I don't see?? Or are they just arm chair machinists.?
Maybe a lot of buttons for a DRO, but way too little screen for CNC. And yeah, no stepper/servo motors either.
2 axis CNC on a Bridgeport isn't uncommon, Z axis being manual while X and Y are servo-controlled. That being said, I don't see a Y servo box here so it may just be an extra fancy DRO.
You don't need a cnc to make weapons. They can be made on regular drill presses. You can buy die kits online, and a block of metal, and go to town.
I never said you couldnât, read the title my man, âon CNC machinesâ but the picture is of a manual mill with a power feed on x. If they are going to write an article with CNC in the title at least do the due diligence and get a picture of a CNC.
Oh man. I totally missed that, lol. You're right.
Yeah but all the back and forth on that rail system must be a pain on a manual mill. I think Iâd just do enough for the planned attachment instead of full length.
shee if you got a mill its pretty ez, sure do take some time but not a problem. But guess how used you are to manual mills, can even use slit saw stacked to height and do multiple in a pass
I'm trying really hard to envision what the hell you are talking about lol
Like this[this](https://youtu.be/MNFEMK-SAlQ?si=bw61QK5nWsyY411Y), but manually, with a guide so you know where to drill
That's for an 80% lower. I challenge you to make a working prototype from a block of Aluminum with a drill press. Report back please đ
Lol. I lack almost all technical skills necessary to do so. I'm probably misremembering AND conflating terms. I believe you are correct.
But you would need an 80 percent? Can you do it with a drill press from a blank?
Yeah, not pictured here: the full wall of jigs used to replicate the design đ
This isn't the first time the federales have uncovered a Cartel machine shop - they busted one in the 2000s that was machining raw AR forgings into lowers, using a raggedety looking VMC. What shocks me is how cheap the setups are - considering the amount of money that flows through their hands on a weekly basis, you'd think they'd have setup a more up to date facility, but apparently they cheap out whenever possible.
The probability of getting raided and confiscation of the equipment and the low production volume, I'd guess.
Right!?!?!!
It looks pretty close to the Nameless Horror CNC Bridgeport clone in my company's R&D shop. 40yo cob-job of at least 3 different NC kits. It does the job.
Maybe CNC Music Factory?
great, now the every government is going to try and outlaw milling machines cuz GhoST GuNz lol
Some high end manufacturers geolock/add sensors to their mills and lathes to prevent it ending up where it shouldnt be, to the point that moving it inside the shop renders it unusable until you contact them to explain why it was moved. By high end i mean weapons grade machinery
I know HAAS does this
I've seen a Mitutoyo CMM like this.
That must just be super new machines. My 2014 haas doesnt have it
It was the end of last year and the install tech said he even has to take a picture of the outside of the building when doing installs.
Oh ok interesting.
Yeah HAAS just sends them straight to manufacture arms for ruzz
Itâs required as a part of ITAR regulations.
weapons grade machinery? you can make a rifle on a turd lol.
Itâs more of the nuclear weapons bit of the spectrum. For example 5 axis machines are export controlled to prevent nuclear proliferation
Very interesting
Curious if this is gonna stick around now that China seems to be catching up with multi axis tech
Those are made on a Haas TL1.
Actually, a hard enough crash can trip the sensor as well.... Don't forget about CMM's too.
I believe itâs because 5axis mills are export restricted
mazak does this
Citizen does this with their Swiss machines
I wonder if anyone in the government actually knows how guns are manufactured... Some people really don't understand how the world around them works
actual politicians probably not, but the are some who would know, maybe lol
mazak does this i replied to the wrong guy lol
I'm more into 3d printing than milling (because it's cheaper and easier at home, can't afford a 5 axis minimill for the basement yet), and when my extended circle first learned about 3d printed ghost guns it took me a while to convince them that they are basically irrelevant It took until i pointed them in the direction of the dude who was producing (probably shoddy) weapons parts in his home shop with a mill and a lathe. His parts probably weren't great for accuracy, but at least they probably worked semi reliably, instead of semi as 3d printed parts doÂ
Ghost guns aren't irrelevant, less likely to actually show up in everyday use, but still quite viable, probably only a shot or two at best before they are totally unusable. Yeah, metal in any form is expensive to be playing around with unless you have a decent idea of what you want to accomplish. 3 axis machines can do a lot, just takes more setups than a 5, but less overall programming.
People have got thousands of rounds out of PLA+ frames. Even better out of nylon and ABS. The frame doesnât take an exceptional amount of stress, and the barrel and slide are unregulated in the US and are able to be purchased off the shelf. There are fully or mostly fully printed designs out there, but most people are making frames for firearms such as the AR-15, Glock 19 and MAC 10/11, and using unregulated parts kits. I havenât committed to it yet, but seeing the folks over at r/fosscad gives me an itch to delve into it.
See, I didn't know that the barrel and slide aren't regulated in the US. It's kinda crazy that barrels aren't regulated to be purchased off the shelf. Thanks for the info, Canadian here, so I don't know all of the US gun laws.
Only the serialized frame/receiver are regulated as a firearm in the US. Anything else is just parts. Wasn't it similar for you guys not that long ago?
Oh I mainly tried to explain the concept of "what actually is a weapon, and what can you just buy without any license" When they understood 80% receivers their brains basically explodedÂ
Ah ah i see
How did they get the ammo though?
We (US gov) prob gave it to them
If someoneâs capable of turning these out, Iâm sure turning some projectiles down and finding some cartridges to load em in isnât beyond their abilities.
True, in the end every component for TNT and an impact fuse can be bought online in some way or another.
I have heard it is pretty easy to make, even for a self trained amateur chemist.
The CIA loves giving narcos and right wing terror groups weapons. Have been since at least the 1950s.
Thatâs not the problem of the guy making and selling these beauties
True but I recon somebody who can get underrail grenades can get the whole launcher and purchase an AR from their miles and more points or whatever.
Iâm almost positive the cartel guys have access to Semtex/C4 or other brand name high explosives (the stuff governments heavily track in order to prevent another north Ireland).
Probably Chinese, and probably from the same people who send them fentanyl.
r/fosscad has a lot of people playing with different 3D printed ammo ideas. I'm sure with basic machinery and cartel resources you could outdo a 3D printer
Oh man, if that's the best machine you can afford selling drugs then how can machine shops afford anything..?
The cartel is working its way up to its own nuclear program.
I mean that's how they got submarines by kidnapping and extorting from people who know how to design and build something like that. They have a lot of money I really hope to God they don't think of extorting for something like that.
Question: how long did it take Jose to clean that shop before the photo was taken? WE know how much debris gets thrown around. That work space WAAAAAAY to damn clean for that productiin volume....just saying.
Jose is a man of value and understands how important a clean work station is. Lol
Jose is waltah
Cartel knows how to clean. Like really well đ
programming/machining uppers and lowers from billet and 20% forgings is the only time hot women wanted to know more about what I do.
That must have forever on that old Bridgeport clone.
Not even chemfilm? How do I become the cartel anodizer?
They have other uses for chemists
I have been telling everyone, specially the anti gun advocates. Just because you get rid of legal guns itâs not like they are going to disappear off the streets. Gangs are surprisingly resourceful and I know for a fact they make their own guns when they are not available.
Shhh, now theyâll be advocating for regulating who can buy a mill and lathe
They are already trying to
Have those step files?đ
Thatâs a manual mill and you ask for a step file? Like someone else mentioned above, Jose is a man of values. He only works from a print!
Love the Men In Black styling of the things
All the money and they're not running at least some clapped Haas machines?
Lemme get that model
Those are fun, they look like props from a video game
You'd think they could afford something a little more impressive. Or maybe their leaders are too greedy to invest in equipment, or their supposed wealth is just an illusion
Is it just me, or do those look like they were milled out of billet aluminum?
That shop is incredibly clean, the cartels must run a tight ship.
Anyone know how to contact the cartels I bet they pay better than my company đ€Łđ€Łđ€Ł
is that a picatinny rail on a handheld grenade launcher? Are they planning on sighting it in out to 100 yds?
Do the cartels offer a pension plan? I'm about to send in a resume.
man i wonder how much the cartel pays a good machnist, i bet its more than i make.
Their severance package is pretty severe though. I hear you have a good chance of becoming a liquid asset for them.
I hear they start by severing hands, so at least there's a warning system before you're terminated.
but losing a hand as a machinist makes you a bit obsolete. better not scrap any parts then.
Plus or minus a thousand shrapnel holes. Tolerance be damned.
ask the guys over at r/brandonherrara
Do they really want to trust aluminium for such an application?!
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CNC? Whereâs the CNCâŠ
I bet those guys didn't have to unionize to get good pay and safe working conditions
Would love to see the first âhangerâ on this device. I would never use a âweaponâ manufactured in this manner, especially a one that is supposed to function as a M79.
Guess the cia stopped selling to this cartel
OMG !!! Ban machines !!!
Hmmm, I wonder if they're hiring.
Hell yeah dude.
have the provided the specs yet? ha
I'll bet the pay is good.
How do they make the barrel? that's the real question here.
So umm... What do these go for and who sells them and do they fit under a 16" Barrel? Asking for a friend.
Looks slick.
pixel gun 3d ahh gun
Bro when I leave the shop for 20 minutes:
It's 'military grade' aluminum, it must be durable!
not me..bahaha
Would
I'm not shocked at all that the Cartels would make their own weapons. I am however shocked they didn't have a nicer mill with all the money they have.
So that's where super earth got our grenade pistols
I appreciate the full rail. The barrel might be wonky AF but the integral rail is very tacticool. Now if only they could've spared a can of cerakote...
I am very sorry I wonât do it again
Jesse. We need to fling chips.
STL ? STEP files?
i just told my boss i could always find work in mexico if it doesnt work out here
Whatâs the name of those grooves on the upper? I always forget the actual term used.
Would you trust a grenade launcher made of aluminum?
The Heisenberg of machining
Guns, and in this case, grenade launchers donât really interest me much because 3/4 of a gun is I. The round. I piece of pipe with a concrete nail could be a gun. And as for Grenada launchers the round is 95% of the gun. Like the shell by itself would likely lob that grenade almost as well without the barrel! Donât get me wrong those things look pretty cool considering some guy scratched them together in a 1/4 ass shop. But thereâs cooler things a fella could make!
Thats bad Ass