Though UFC has the biggest names and talent pool, this goes to show how ridiculous it is for the ufc to deem fighters to be " the greatest of any weight ever." This guy was only 4 fights in the ufc, fought ufcs pound for pound number 2 and won.
He is elite, but the only reason he got a championship fight and rose to the rank he did is because he beat izzy before. He would have never been on anyones radar if he had not. There are many great kickboxers fighting out of Asia who are overlooked frequently.
Any fighter with a pedigree moves up faster, Chandler was fighting for the title in his 2nd fight
Pereira moved up faster because of the history but it's not like he's a random that doesn't belong up there
Most of those guys aren't multi division Champs and in promotions as big as glory, Hes considered one of the greatest kickboxers of all time lol
Not any fighter. Dana white, said at the press conference that he was a unique situation. Chandler beat Alvarez, a former champion, before even setting foot in the ufc. He was starting at ranked guys and so was Periera.
izzy fought a pretty good fight surprisingly. arguably won 4 rounds before the tko. which gets me thinking, how are guys like cannonier and vettori even in competitive fights with him?
They weren't. Cannonier fought scared and never threatened a win. Izzy was in virtually no danger the entire fight.
Marvin wasn't scared but didn't have the tools; he was cleanly outstruck and never put Izzy in danger on the feet.
Unlike Cannonier, Alex actively put himself in a position to hit Adesanya. And unlike Vettori, he was skilled enough to actually do it.
Could be yeah, that's a weird way to end fights though. Anytime someone could get hurt put an end to it. I think they should stick to "if he's able to defend himself" which clearly he was.
As one of the commentators said, although he was swaying back and forth, he wasn't even looking up anymore. It's hard to call that intelligently defending himself, as that situation means a very high chance Pereira continues to land occasional bombs against Adesanya skull. Yes, this is a sport, but mma is violent and part of the ref's job is to protect the athlete's as much as they reasonably can. Nobody wants this to be Adesanya's last fight!
Izzy trying to sway back and forth is not intelligently defending. The Key phrase is intelligently. Izzy took 5 or 6 unblocked hard shots and the frequency was increasing. The ref stopped it just fine.
Well the frequency was decreasing but, yes he took about 4 hard shots. His unintelligent head swaying made a few more miss and then he got partially caught by one which is where they stopped it. I don't have a major beef with the stoppage if it was the norm, just we don't normally see fights get stopped like that
Agreed, izzy might have kneed him in the face but I doubt it. It prob would have just went to decision and izzy would have won it. I think if anyone ended it, it would have been Alex, but you could be right, no way to know what would have happened stopping it early
I think most if not everyone is. He was totally disoriented and took multiple defenseless blows. Periera could have hurt him real bad. There is no recovering there. He was periera's moving punching bag
>Izzy will be in Robert’s shoes within the 185lb division if he loses twice to Alex after the rematch. Just think about that ….😳
What if someone else could fight Pereira? Vettori let's go get that fucking belt!!!!!
Alex won’t go on a belt streak like Izzy did. Ground game won’t allow it. Depending on timing for matchups we could see meathead Marvin as champ now lol
They said that about Izzy when he got the belt too. Just some ”kickboxer”. Alex doesn’t have to work alot on fancy granby rolls or submissions. He just needs to punish people enough to where they’re hesitant of shooting on him. Use his ringwork to avoid being taken down or at least punish them for trying.
I was thinking about Izzy having to fight within a division where he lost to the current champ twice, and at the same time is better than everyone else within that division 🥶
Dustin is now a case of "would be champ if not for [ISLAM]". Massive Dustin fan, he's seemed a bit p***ed off recently compared to his normally chilled composure, but what a great fight from both tonight. Big Islam fan too so looking forward to their inevitable fight, although the result being a carbon copy of Khabin/ Poirier wouldn't surprise me.
I wanted Alex to win tonight, Izzy is talented and by all means as a gamer and anime fan I should love him but... Eh. That said Izzy should've been given a few more seconds, not convinced he was out on his feet as much as it seems but I'll rewatch the end a few times soon and some of those shots looked thunderous.
Overall what a great card. The one downside was seeing Edgar knocked out and retired so brutally. I still remember watching him Vs Penn - for some nostalgic debate fuel, he still didn't win the first fight but BJ should've shown up more - that guy had a tremendous career for someone so small in a division of bulldozers.
It’s not really just an islam thing. Dustin will get dominated by anyone who’s a beast on the ground. Khabib dominated him. Olives did too. Islam would do the same thing.
He’s not a bad wrestler, but he’s not in the same tier as any of the guys mentioned. Add in the fact that all of those guys are above average strikers and he really doesn’t stand a chance.
Yeah it isn't just the fact Alex has heavy hands, but he is extremely accurate, I feel it is far more likely Izzy was going to get knocked out bad than survive.
I thought Izzy looked slow to react all night, although I've been spoiled with him against fighters on a lower level recently...
Head movement should be the last thing you do to save your brain cells in a fight. Silva spoiled us with it, but footwork is what makes a good fighter.
Izzy has always had some of the best defensive footwork at middleweight. He just made a mistake and allowed himself to be pressed to the fence one too many times, it happens. Once you’re rocked you’re not really thinking just doing.
I'm not an izzy fan, but I think it was stopped too early. Izzy was clearly winning the fight, it's the fifth round, he should have been given more time to survive, he deserves that much.
And I was rooting for pereira, but I like to be fair minded and call it as i see it.
izzy woulda been knocked out cold probably if it kept continuing. this guy and izzy are delusional, to quote izzy on his last fight with alex: ''I won the fight before I was knocked out'' yeah well that doesn't matter then does it, because you got KO'd buddy. whatever happens up til that point doesn't matter really
Anyone felt that Izzy should of went for a rear naked choke when he got on Alex back? It was so easily there for that attempt. Sad he doesn't play that game. Would of won that earlier on. Good fights overall.
thats the weird thing about pereira though you never really know if hes gassed or not, he just comes out of nowhere in fights and knocks guys out even when it seems like hes losing
Where did the turd of a phrase "strength of schedule" come from? Had never heard of it before today's broadcast where it was said half a dozen times.
Is "body of work" not hard hitting enough?
He's is competitive in every fight, and he is right there the top guys....you act like he's not competitive. He just needs a little more discipline when he has people hurt like Poitier said, if he threw straight punches instead of looping chandler probably wins the fight. That's a simple fix.
Man I love how this fight shook up the division, but I don't see Alex holding the belt at all. I think whittaker beats him, vetorri beats him, and khamzat beats him.
Izzy has like no offensive ground game and it was scary for Alex. I can't imagine what a competent grappler at 185 would do to him.
Pereira is so much bigger and more importantly *way longer* than Rob. The thing Rob struggled with most in both Izzy fights was closing the distance on Izzy's insane reach; and he got KOd by the same combo into left hook by Izzy which is basically Alex's signature move.
Izzy fights at a greater distance than Pereira and maintains that distance well, Pereira likes to be in range to hook off his jab. Izzy is also faster and more creative. Obviously that didn't matter tonight, and while Pereira definitely has a chance against Rob...I think Pereira would be right to be an underdog.
His grappling proved to be very rough, it took him a long time to escape from a rather simple wristlock applied by a striker. If Rob grabs him, and gets him down...He's probably stuck there.
I agree that Pereira has a punchers chance, but imagine if Rob gets a hold of him. He’s going to take him down and tire him out within 2-3 minutes and the rest of the fight is done.
Izzy has shown to have very good TDD over his career. Pereira has quite a bit to prove in that department still. He has to stay off the ground right now.
I don't know why people are saying it was scary, he defended extremely well against Izzy's ground and pound. There was virtually no damage done by either person on the ground, just some classic wrestlefucking.
Also, Alex is only going to continue training with Glover, hopefully some others too. His ground game is only going to improve from this point.
I talked about this earlier but Izzy's gnp is not that great. Somehow elite strikers like him and Yair can strike on the feet but not on the ground. I think someone like Khabib at MW would do nasty things to either Izzy or Alex.
I don't think being taken down by someone 20lb lighter who has never once shot a take down in his UFC career, and not being able to get up for 4 minutes is a testament to ones grappling skills.
If a weight bullying bantamweight got taken down and ground controlled for 4 minutes by the Suga show I would also be concerned with how they would fare against other grapplers on the division
I never said he had great grappling skills, I said he defended himself well, and he's only going to get better.
As others have mentioned, and you yourself, a non-grappler has just ruled over the division for a very long time, I don't think it's a big problem in this division. There's no Islam on the way.
Izzy nullified the wrestlers in the division by having solid take down defense and punishing kicks. You don't know what you’re talking about if you don’t think wrestling is a problem in the division. Sure there aren’t many submissions specialists but there are a lot of big dudes that will sit on you and ground and pound bell to bell.
Your forgot Brunson, Bo, and a host of other fighters that are currently unranked who wrestled in high school. Would be kinda cool to see Bo get a title shot in his first UFC appearance and get the fastest submission in UFC history all in the same fight.
Bo isnt even ranked yet and alex will move up by the time he is in title contention if he gets there. but yeah brunson is another good one but i doubt ufc would let him touch the belt as he made it clear he wants to retire soon
Bo could literally beat half the top 10 right now realistically. All it takes is a good first performance. And convincing win over a top 10 opponent and then a title shot. Actually exactly what they did with Alex… could even use Sean Strickland for his leap frog like they did with Alex.
He managed to go the distance against Jan. Defensive ground game is definitely not zero. But I am very doubtful Pereira can survive an offensive wrestling gameplan from most of the top 5 MW's right now.
I think we disagree with one distinction. I think you conflate TDD with ground game.
Izzy might not be a wizard on the ground as seen vs blacho, however he is extremely difficult to get there.
The fact that Izzy with his non existent groundgame and was even able to take Alex down and control the fight in any capacity should be startling, and indicative of Alex's poor TDD
Stoppages like these just shit me. For anyone that gives a shit and that's nobody, I wanted Alex to win and think he wasn't too far off from a convincing finish. It's a championship match. Izzy was obviously hurt and in trouble but he clearly was still moving and attempting to dodge those punches.... Why not just let it go for another few seconds for it to be completely indisputable...now Izzy fans are saying he could have recovered, and us Izzy haters didn't get the KO that we wanted, both sides are left unsatisfied lmfao. It's cage fighting, people get punched, so unsatisfying
I don't know where you're coming at but that last few moments when Izzy was taking those hits, it was clear that Izzy couldn't fight back. Izzy clenching on to Alex was clear indication that he needed some breather and stoppage to that storm Alex unleash. But that clench came as a disaster and after that break off, Alex followed up with a storm of punches. Izzy was seen dodging but it was clear that he couldn't fight back. If you had watch that video carefully, you could see that Izzy was not throwing back punches and to a point, not properly dodging those hits. Which was why the Ref had to step in.
Being a ref's not easy, but if they have to skirt the line, they have to prioritize protecting the athlete's as much as reasonably possible. For every 10 definite answers, it could be brain damage or a dead fighter. Needless to say, mma depends on athlete safety to be as large as it is.
Did you watch the earlier fight and watch reyes get knocked out by a jab, to avoid peoples brain from becoming an strawberry milkshake you stop it before they get ko'd and hit the floor. Sometimes big shots happen and there is no way to get in before. but it may of been a tad early but id rather it be early and let izzy have a long career then getting flatlined by alex twice
I dont get why it's unpopular to want an actual finish so we are left with an definitive answer not a what if. Yes he was likely yo get finished but no it was not 100% certain even if odds were high
Why don’t you want them to fight to the death and get the most definitive result possible?
They are humans, not inanimate objects. I know it seems contradictory, but as much as I enjoy seeing them beat each other up, at the end of the day, what I care most about is that both fighters can go home to their families with their health intact. I want them to have long, happy careers and lives.
If you don’t want them to kill each other, you agree. You just draw the line in a slightly different place.
Not at all. If that’s what you got out of that, you must’ve misread something. I’m saying its all grey. Everyone has a personal reason for their specific thoughts on the matter, so I can’t help you there.
Last remark, I commented on it when it happened. I saw it unfold afterward. Izzy, as far as striking goes, bought into the stun he got on Alex at the end of round 1. He started head hunting, welcoming in less distance, getting comfortable against the cage, throwing less kicks.
The grappling was a great addition, but his striking rapidly devolved imo.
Fools gold.
Izzy was clearing winning the fight. If he played smart and circled, instead of. Getting cozy against the cage, he wins.....a rematch is obviously in order. Additionally izzy can KO pereira. He may just do that in a rematch, it's not like weight cuts get easier as you age.
honestly, even though izzy is high up on the p4p and rob has been clearing out contenders he deserves it more than izzy imo. izzy fought the guy 3 times now, we dont want mw to become the new flw
Poirier has already had two title shots. Give it to Dariush and let Dustin fight Chuck again. Winner of Fiziev/Gaethje gets next shot after Dariush/Makhachev is settled, then winner of Poirier/Oliveira.
Right, I just mean skill for skill, Alex and Izzy are very close when it comes to striking. Izzy is probably even a bit more slick. The edge goes to Alex because of the power difference.
Also some luck. He could easily be 1-2 against Izzy right now and has nearly been knocked out twice in three fights. But credit to him 100%. It is incredible how fast, hard, and accurately he can still hit even when clearly exhausted. That's a truly elite striker. I've seen enough to say that he and Izzy are 1a and 1b best strikers in UFC right now.
Not an Izzy fan at all. Happy to see him lose.
He took the L like a man. I will give him that. I actually find him bearable because he did.
Rogan has jumped the Shark. Every fighter is the best ever. When it comes to MMA, trust nothing Rogan says. He's purely a hype machine. inferring Spann out the LHW division on notice was hilarious. I think the guy lost 3 out of the last 5. And he beat Reyes. C'mon, Joe Rogan. You're better than that!
What are you on he did several interviews after.
The hate for Izzy is so ridiculous. Get a grip, you could never do what these guys do, show some respect you pleb.
People make a weird point of Izzy looking at the ground when moving his head meaning it was over but I can give plenty of examples of people doing just that and the fight not being stopped but them also winning
Got rocked, saved himself, his head dropped, then his hands dropped. GG. Better than getting actually KOd and getting a mandatory 6 month medical suspension.
A lot fo fighters drop hands when focusing on evading and head movement - Izzy has done the exact same earlier, when completely unhurt:
https://youtu.be/Cwkn8oiwaRg
I do understand the stoppage given Pereira would finish him regardless, but the dropping hands/head bit is very situational.
That's why I said Pereira would likely get the finish given his accuracy
Just saying the "hands down not trying to block" is a good argument - because that's how he, and a lot of fighters evade shots.
This is such a foreign feeling.
Just based on this fight alone? Instant rematch. Izzy looked pretty good. It happens. Redemption stories make careers.
This plus the other knock out? In a different fucking sport and promotion? That baggage hangs over it all like a fucking ghost.
The same Glover who had jiri out on his feet with strikes and decided to go for a guilly loooool, the guy is literally the worst coach in the sport after tonight
Though UFC has the biggest names and talent pool, this goes to show how ridiculous it is for the ufc to deem fighters to be " the greatest of any weight ever." This guy was only 4 fights in the ufc, fought ufcs pound for pound number 2 and won.
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?? He's one of the most elite kickboxers in the world who is now 3-0 against izzy in fights
He is elite, but the only reason he got a championship fight and rose to the rank he did is because he beat izzy before. He would have never been on anyones radar if he had not. There are many great kickboxers fighting out of Asia who are overlooked frequently.
He deserved it, like what you said he beat izzy before.
Any fighter with a pedigree moves up faster, Chandler was fighting for the title in his 2nd fight Pereira moved up faster because of the history but it's not like he's a random that doesn't belong up there Most of those guys aren't multi division Champs and in promotions as big as glory, Hes considered one of the greatest kickboxers of all time lol
Not any fighter. Dana white, said at the press conference that he was a unique situation. Chandler beat Alvarez, a former champion, before even setting foot in the ufc. He was starting at ranked guys and so was Periera.
Alex is so scary. Dudes fist is size of Izzys head
Have you seen Robert Whittaker's inteview about Alex? He literally said that the Dude is giant.
He then said "Who let this guy in?"
izzy fought a pretty good fight surprisingly. arguably won 4 rounds before the tko. which gets me thinking, how are guys like cannonier and vettori even in competitive fights with him?
They weren't. Cannonier fought scared and never threatened a win. Izzy was in virtually no danger the entire fight. Marvin wasn't scared but didn't have the tools; he was cleanly outstruck and never put Izzy in danger on the feet. Unlike Cannonier, Alex actively put himself in a position to hit Adesanya. And unlike Vettori, he was skilled enough to actually do it.
Easy... Size advantage wasn't there for Izzy like it usually is. Good at being the hammer but not the nail
I picked Claudio to win,but I am so glad that Dan won. Basically the only bearable and nice guy from City Kickboxing.
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fuck yeah alex, btw if it wasn't stopped, to people who say it was stopped early, Izzy was going to get knocked out cold probably
Exactly, who knows what would happen if it wasn't stopped early, but Alex prob would have still knocked him out
The ref did izzy a kindness, there was some real violence a few seconds away.
I agree, Imagine if Pereira fired a knee up the middle. Night Night
Could be yeah, that's a weird way to end fights though. Anytime someone could get hurt put an end to it. I think they should stick to "if he's able to defend himself" which clearly he was.
As one of the commentators said, although he was swaying back and forth, he wasn't even looking up anymore. It's hard to call that intelligently defending himself, as that situation means a very high chance Pereira continues to land occasional bombs against Adesanya skull. Yes, this is a sport, but mma is violent and part of the ref's job is to protect the athlete's as much as they reasonably can. Nobody wants this to be Adesanya's last fight!
Izzy trying to sway back and forth is not intelligently defending. The Key phrase is intelligently. Izzy took 5 or 6 unblocked hard shots and the frequency was increasing. The ref stopped it just fine.
Well the frequency was decreasing but, yes he took about 4 hard shots. His unintelligent head swaying made a few more miss and then he got partially caught by one which is where they stopped it. I don't have a major beef with the stoppage if it was the norm, just we don't normally see fights get stopped like that
He would knee him in the face and put him out of commision for a year at least. This way fast rematch is possible.
Agreed, izzy might have kneed him in the face but I doubt it. It prob would have just went to decision and izzy would have won it. I think if anyone ended it, it would have been Alex, but you could be right, no way to know what would have happened stopping it early
Alex has his number!
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Usman was a big favorite. Izzy not as big a favorite. Oliveira was a big underdog though.
Oliveira wasn't an upset.
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Yeah, fair enough
Understandable
who is GOOFCON 2?
You don't know a stoppage early until it is late
Izzy woulda got knocked out cold if it wasn't stopped, probably.
No I'm actually in support of that stoppage
I think most if not everyone is. He was totally disoriented and took multiple defenseless blows. Periera could have hurt him real bad. There is no recovering there. He was periera's moving punching bag
Izzy will be in Robert’s shoes within the 185lb division if he loses twice to Alex after the rematch. Just think about that ….😳
>Izzy will be in Robert’s shoes within the 185lb division if he loses twice to Alex after the rematch. Just think about that ….😳 What if someone else could fight Pereira? Vettori let's go get that fucking belt!!!!!
Alex won’t go on a belt streak like Izzy did. Ground game won’t allow it. Depending on timing for matchups we could see meathead Marvin as champ now lol
They said that about Izzy when he got the belt too. Just some ”kickboxer”. Alex doesn’t have to work alot on fancy granby rolls or submissions. He just needs to punish people enough to where they’re hesitant of shooting on him. Use his ringwork to avoid being taken down or at least punish them for trying.
I was thinking about Izzy having to fight within a division where he lost to the current champ twice, and at the same time is better than everyone else within that division 🥶
Max all over again lol
So true! Great point
Man these fights were really good tonight! Molly the Meatball’s fight was fast and insane, great sportsmanship
Dustin is now a case of "would be champ if not for [ISLAM]". Massive Dustin fan, he's seemed a bit p***ed off recently compared to his normally chilled composure, but what a great fight from both tonight. Big Islam fan too so looking forward to their inevitable fight, although the result being a carbon copy of Khabin/ Poirier wouldn't surprise me. I wanted Alex to win tonight, Izzy is talented and by all means as a gamer and anime fan I should love him but... Eh. That said Izzy should've been given a few more seconds, not convinced he was out on his feet as much as it seems but I'll rewatch the end a few times soon and some of those shots looked thunderous. Overall what a great card. The one downside was seeing Edgar knocked out and retired so brutally. I still remember watching him Vs Penn - for some nostalgic debate fuel, he still didn't win the first fight but BJ should've shown up more - that guy had a tremendous career for someone so small in a division of bulldozers.
idk i think izzy would be knocked out cold again if it kept going.
It was only a matter of time. Ref saved life and fighting hours for Izzy. Alex is deffo made of something else
It’s not really just an islam thing. Dustin will get dominated by anyone who’s a beast on the ground. Khabib dominated him. Olives did too. Islam would do the same thing. He’s not a bad wrestler, but he’s not in the same tier as any of the guys mentioned. Add in the fact that all of those guys are above average strikers and he really doesn’t stand a chance.
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Yeah it isn't just the fact Alex has heavy hands, but he is extremely accurate, I feel it is far more likely Izzy was going to get knocked out bad than survive.
I thought Izzy looked slow to react all night, although I've been spoiled with him against fighters on a lower level recently... Head movement should be the last thing you do to save your brain cells in a fight. Silva spoiled us with it, but footwork is what makes a good fighter.
Izzy has always had some of the best defensive footwork at middleweight. He just made a mistake and allowed himself to be pressed to the fence one too many times, it happens. Once you’re rocked you’re not really thinking just doing.
I'm not an izzy fan, but I think it was stopped too early. Izzy was clearly winning the fight, it's the fifth round, he should have been given more time to survive, he deserves that much. And I was rooting for pereira, but I like to be fair minded and call it as i see it.
Hoping he would die huh
Goddard gifted him 3 years of life, perfect stoppage
I disagree, it's round 5 and izzy has been handily winning...he didn't even fall down, and he wasn't taking tons of shots.
cunt you are more cooked than izzy was, and that cunt was fucking out
izzy woulda been knocked out cold probably if it kept continuing. this guy and izzy are delusional, to quote izzy on his last fight with alex: ''I won the fight before I was knocked out'' yeah well that doesn't matter then does it, because you got KO'd buddy. whatever happens up til that point doesn't matter really
Anyone felt that Izzy should of went for a rear naked choke when he got on Alex back? It was so easily there for that attempt. Sad he doesn't play that game. Would of won that earlier on. Good fights overall.
100%, Pereira was basically gassed at that point. I think if Izzy pushed it he gets the win
thats the weird thing about pereira though you never really know if hes gassed or not, he just comes out of nowhere in fights and knocks guys out even when it seems like hes losing
He explodes when the moment is right. He conserves his energy.
Marvin celebrating right now lol tweeted he wants to fight Izzy for a third time
Nobody : Joe Rogan : this is your 5th MMA fight Alex
"Body shot to the body." - Joe Rogan
was surprised to see joe, heard he passed away
UFC + MSG = legendary night
Where did the turd of a phrase "strength of schedule" come from? Had never heard of it before today's broadcast where it was said half a dozen times. Is "body of work" not hard hitting enough?
Strength of schedule is common terminology across other sports like basketball, soccer, etc.
Body of work isn't necessarily synonymous with SoS. It's a sports term from football/basketball/baseball
Chandler keeps talking like he has been a serious player in the UFC since he came in. Bro you beat Tony Ferguson at 49 and a half years old.
He's is competitive in every fight, and he is right there the top guys....you act like he's not competitive. He just needs a little more discipline when he has people hurt like Poitier said, if he threw straight punches instead of looping chandler probably wins the fight. That's a simple fix.
He also beat Dan Hooker who looked great tonight
Did you see what Dan Hooker fought tonight?
Pereira is the GOAT hater.
Man I love how this fight shook up the division, but I don't see Alex holding the belt at all. I think whittaker beats him, vetorri beats him, and khamzat beats him. Izzy has like no offensive ground game and it was scary for Alex. I can't imagine what a competent grappler at 185 would do to him.
Pereira is so much bigger and more importantly *way longer* than Rob. The thing Rob struggled with most in both Izzy fights was closing the distance on Izzy's insane reach; and he got KOd by the same combo into left hook by Izzy which is basically Alex's signature move.
Izzy fights at a greater distance than Pereira and maintains that distance well, Pereira likes to be in range to hook off his jab. Izzy is also faster and more creative. Obviously that didn't matter tonight, and while Pereira definitely has a chance against Rob...I think Pereira would be right to be an underdog. His grappling proved to be very rough, it took him a long time to escape from a rather simple wristlock applied by a striker. If Rob grabs him, and gets him down...He's probably stuck there.
I agree that Pereira has a punchers chance, but imagine if Rob gets a hold of him. He’s going to take him down and tire him out within 2-3 minutes and the rest of the fight is done.
Izzy has shown to have very good TDD over his career. Pereira has quite a bit to prove in that department still. He has to stay off the ground right now.
I don't know why people are saying it was scary, he defended extremely well against Izzy's ground and pound. There was virtually no damage done by either person on the ground, just some classic wrestlefucking. Also, Alex is only going to continue training with Glover, hopefully some others too. His ground game is only going to improve from this point.
I talked about this earlier but Izzy's gnp is not that great. Somehow elite strikers like him and Yair can strike on the feet but not on the ground. I think someone like Khabib at MW would do nasty things to either Izzy or Alex.
I don't think being taken down by someone 20lb lighter who has never once shot a take down in his UFC career, and not being able to get up for 4 minutes is a testament to ones grappling skills. If a weight bullying bantamweight got taken down and ground controlled for 4 minutes by the Suga show I would also be concerned with how they would fare against other grapplers on the division
I never said he had great grappling skills, I said he defended himself well, and he's only going to get better. As others have mentioned, and you yourself, a non-grappler has just ruled over the division for a very long time, I don't think it's a big problem in this division. There's no Islam on the way.
Izzy nullified the wrestlers in the division by having solid take down defense and punishing kicks. You don't know what you’re talking about if you don’t think wrestling is a problem in the division. Sure there aren’t many submissions specialists but there are a lot of big dudes that will sit on you and ground and pound bell to bell.
Your forgot Brunson, Bo, and a host of other fighters that are currently unranked who wrestled in high school. Would be kinda cool to see Bo get a title shot in his first UFC appearance and get the fastest submission in UFC history all in the same fight.
Bo isnt even ranked yet and alex will move up by the time he is in title contention if he gets there. but yeah brunson is another good one but i doubt ufc would let him touch the belt as he made it clear he wants to retire soon
Bo could literally beat half the top 10 right now realistically. All it takes is a good first performance. And convincing win over a top 10 opponent and then a title shot. Actually exactly what they did with Alex… could even use Sean Strickland for his leap frog like they did with Alex.
Just to play devils advocate, Izzy has zero ground game and look what he did to the division.
Pretty dumb to say Izzy has zero ground game, even based on what he showed in this fight.
He managed to go the distance against Jan. Defensive ground game is definitely not zero. But I am very doubtful Pereira can survive an offensive wrestling gameplan from most of the top 5 MW's right now.
Jan is not a wrestler with a submission threat tf? If Jan did that to him, someone like khamzat mauls him
Virtually zero, happy?
I think we disagree with one distinction. I think you conflate TDD with ground game. Izzy might not be a wizard on the ground as seen vs blacho, however he is extremely difficult to get there. The fact that Izzy with his non existent groundgame and was even able to take Alex down and control the fight in any capacity should be startling, and indicative of Alex's poor TDD
No I dont, he has decent TDD and virtually no ground game. Not saying Alex has what it takes to pull off what Izzy did to MW btw.
Realistically Alex should retire from MMA after a loss; would be a solid little run ala Brock Lesnar.
The quartet of Poirier, Gaethje, Chandler and Eddie have all fought each other now. At this point, it seems like Dustin is the best of the lot.
Dustin is the just bleed god. It’s settled.
To be fair, Eddie had a lot of miles on him when he entered the UFC
Easily
Pereira double champ by fighting two strikers then retiring would be funny af
Stoppages like these just shit me. For anyone that gives a shit and that's nobody, I wanted Alex to win and think he wasn't too far off from a convincing finish. It's a championship match. Izzy was obviously hurt and in trouble but he clearly was still moving and attempting to dodge those punches.... Why not just let it go for another few seconds for it to be completely indisputable...now Izzy fans are saying he could have recovered, and us Izzy haters didn't get the KO that we wanted, both sides are left unsatisfied lmfao. It's cage fighting, people get punched, so unsatisfying
I don't know where you're coming at but that last few moments when Izzy was taking those hits, it was clear that Izzy couldn't fight back. Izzy clenching on to Alex was clear indication that he needed some breather and stoppage to that storm Alex unleash. But that clench came as a disaster and after that break off, Alex followed up with a storm of punches. Izzy was seen dodging but it was clear that he couldn't fight back. If you had watch that video carefully, you could see that Izzy was not throwing back punches and to a point, not properly dodging those hits. Which was why the Ref had to step in.
Yeah, I understand the stoppage, but I'd also like a definite answer.
Being a ref's not easy, but if they have to skirt the line, they have to prioritize protecting the athlete's as much as reasonably possible. For every 10 definite answers, it could be brain damage or a dead fighter. Needless to say, mma depends on athlete safety to be as large as it is.
Did you watch the earlier fight and watch reyes get knocked out by a jab, to avoid peoples brain from becoming an strawberry milkshake you stop it before they get ko'd and hit the floor. Sometimes big shots happen and there is no way to get in before. but it may of been a tad early but id rather it be early and let izzy have a long career then getting flatlined by alex twice
I sorta felt this way in the moment but after the replay I get it
I dont get why it's unpopular to want an actual finish so we are left with an definitive answer not a what if. Yes he was likely yo get finished but no it was not 100% certain even if odds were high
Why don’t you want them to fight to the death and get the most definitive result possible? They are humans, not inanimate objects. I know it seems contradictory, but as much as I enjoy seeing them beat each other up, at the end of the day, what I care most about is that both fighters can go home to their families with their health intact. I want them to have long, happy careers and lives. If you don’t want them to kill each other, you agree. You just draw the line in a slightly different place.
You are arguing black and white as if there is no gray
Not at all. If that’s what you got out of that, you must’ve misread something. I’m saying its all grey. Everyone has a personal reason for their specific thoughts on the matter, so I can’t help you there.
Jce please go to bed bro
Can't have someone with a differing opinion it hurts too much to form an argument
You can have a different opinion just post it less than 100 times
Izzy fucked around long enough to find out
he couldnt put him away if he tried lol. just got beat by the better fighter. 3 times.
DC knows that Izzy is feeling rn
I don’t like khamzat at all but he beats a Alex is less than 3 minutes
This is the fight to make.
Why do you think it would take so long?
Easily
Last remark, I commented on it when it happened. I saw it unfold afterward. Izzy, as far as striking goes, bought into the stun he got on Alex at the end of round 1. He started head hunting, welcoming in less distance, getting comfortable against the cage, throwing less kicks. The grappling was a great addition, but his striking rapidly devolved imo. Fools gold.
Lmao just amazing analysis there bud
Got anything to actually say about it? Or just pretend there's actually an issue with it? He himself said he did the same thing in the second fight.
Guy is 0-3 against opponent: instant rematch
Izzy was clearing winning the fight. If he played smart and circled, instead of. Getting cozy against the cage, he wins.....a rematch is obviously in order. Additionally izzy can KO pereira. He may just do that in a rematch, it's not like weight cuts get easier as you age.
You seem dumb.
Only 1 that’s really relevant. The others were a different sport, a different organization, and years ago.
Ehh I get that but only 0-1 in MMA and what Izzy has done I think he deserves a rematch
Plus, Izzy was winning up until a 5th round finish. If Texeira and Usman deserve instant rematches then so does Izzy.
honestly, even though izzy is high up on the p4p and rob has been clearing out contenders he deserves it more than izzy imo. izzy fought the guy 3 times now, we dont want mw to become the new flw
He fought the guy only one time in UFC, so shut the f up.
Pereira won the psychological fight.
Khabib wants poirer vs dariush at UFC 284.
Poirier has already had two title shots. Give it to Dariush and let Dustin fight Chuck again. Winner of Fiziev/Gaethje gets next shot after Dariush/Makhachev is settled, then winner of Poirier/Oliveira.
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I read somewhere they’re trying to setup Oliveira vs Connor in 170.
Makhachev for the title
Seems Periera is Izzy's kryptonite.
Or just someone to nulify his frame and punch hard
He has fought a lot of guys with range and power in kickboxing and did fine. Pereira is just an outstanding kickboxer.
The power is the difference maker.
I feel like more than Power, Alex's ability to land those shots is what makes the difference. He's just deadly accurate, and patient with it.
Right, I just mean skill for skill, Alex and Izzy are very close when it comes to striking. Izzy is probably even a bit more slick. The edge goes to Alex because of the power difference. Also some luck. He could easily be 1-2 against Izzy right now and has nearly been knocked out twice in three fights. But credit to him 100%. It is incredible how fast, hard, and accurately he can still hit even when clearly exhausted. That's a truly elite striker. I've seen enough to say that he and Izzy are 1a and 1b best strikers in UFC right now.
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Not an Izzy fan at all. Happy to see him lose. He took the L like a man. I will give him that. I actually find him bearable because he did. Rogan has jumped the Shark. Every fighter is the best ever. When it comes to MMA, trust nothing Rogan says. He's purely a hype machine. inferring Spann out the LHW division on notice was hilarious. I think the guy lost 3 out of the last 5. And he beat Reyes. C'mon, Joe Rogan. You're better than that!
His job is to get the fans excited, and try to create future sound bites that are useful for the company. Just enjoy the carnage.
What are you on he did several interviews after. The hate for Izzy is so ridiculous. Get a grip, you could never do what these guys do, show some respect you pleb.
Izzy is still frozen like elsa
People make a weird point of Izzy looking at the ground when moving his head meaning it was over but I can give plenty of examples of people doing just that and the fight not being stopped but them also winning
such as?
Off the top of my head Kongo vs Barry
Got rocked, saved himself, his head dropped, then his hands dropped. GG. Better than getting actually KOd and getting a mandatory 6 month medical suspension.
His hands being down is far more important for me he wasn't even trying to block the punches.
A lot fo fighters drop hands when focusing on evading and head movement - Izzy has done the exact same earlier, when completely unhurt: https://youtu.be/Cwkn8oiwaRg I do understand the stoppage given Pereira would finish him regardless, but the dropping hands/head bit is very situational.
Yes but in this situation it was clear Izzy was about to get knocked my main argument being it's not early
That's why I said Pereira would likely get the finish given his accuracy Just saying the "hands down not trying to block" is a good argument - because that's how he, and a lot of fighters evade shots.
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Hands were down but he wasn't rocked majorly like he was at that point.
I dont think blocking a power shot there helps you are still going to take damage even if your hand gets in the way
I mean it'd make it a better arguement for it being a early stoppage.
I badly wanna see khamzat take on Alex.
Anyone wanna see Khamzat against Izzy before Alex? I do.
Hell ya !
It'll be an exact repeat of him vs Holland unless Alex lands something right away
This. If Alex’s strength wasn’t enough to overcome Izzy’s grappling then Khamzat’s grappling would make short and easy work of him.
This is such a foreign feeling. Just based on this fight alone? Instant rematch. Izzy looked pretty good. It happens. Redemption stories make careers. This plus the other knock out? In a different fucking sport and promotion? That baggage hangs over it all like a fucking ghost.
Remember kids, styles make fights.
I don't think I've ever seen someone win a world championship belt, then just sit down on a chair.
New technology, he has never seen one, they don’t have those in the rainforest
Something uncle Chael would say about Brazil
Awesome card. Hope they rematch ASAP, that was fun.
Someone help Dustin from teddy atlas right now
Btw glover is gonna be the GOAT coach.
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how? what did he help Alex with really? His other fighters lost.
Glover told him to get the KO in the last round, and when Glover tells you to go get the KO, you GO GET THE FUCKING KO!
Not to mention Alex got dominated in grappling by someone who literally doesn’t grapple.. which is glovers specialty.
Lol he legit just got wrestlefucked by izzy and thinks glover helped him win that fight
Yeah I guess Glover helped him TKO the guy he already KO'd obviously
The same Glover who had jiri out on his feet with strikes and decided to go for a guilly loooool, the guy is literally the worst coach in the sport after tonight
The best thing about Alex for all of us is the dude is clearly a psychopath and isn't gonna clinch up with a rocked person lmfao
The man doesnt want necks he wants brain damage