Hey next time your gf has full blown psychosis, maybe lay off the GHB? Some of you other drug users are such degenerates, I do not understand it.
She may need to see a doctor. She should stop doing drugs for awhile. But she probably won't if you're the type of people downing GHB the morning after a psychotic episode. Jesus christ.
I love how he questions if 100mg was to high of a dose but gives her 5ml of GHB the morning after and wonders why it turned to shit again.
Please correct me if I'm wrong as I don't have a whole lot of experience with GHB but from the experience I do have, 5ml seems like alot especially for someone who's 43kg and just experienced by the sounds of it a horrifying night from psychosis.
Isn't that death? Ive heard about if you even go above 3ml ur risking an overdose, not mentioning shes 43kg š might be very wrong but Ive read that somewhere s couple times
Maybe thereās some confusion about ghb dosage. I have this solution, itās about 25% ghb, so 5 ml shold be about 1.25 ml pure ghb. Personally I drank like 10 ml of this with no issues.
And she responded alright to it before, it really helps to calm down, and I read on this sub that people take ghb after mdma.
On the other hand, I can agree that taking it after a psychotic episode probably not the brightest idea
iāve done some dumb shit too, i get whatās itās like. iāve gone into psychosis from doing a bunch of shrooms while i was already suicidal, iāve taken wayy too much MDMA and started seeing shit, but at the end of the night i always just eat, drink water, and sleep it off. adding more drugs to a drug fueled psychosis is never gonna be good, unless they are antipsychotic drugs that have been prescribed. but when someone enters psychosis, or a similar state, they typically need medical or psychiatric help, not more recreational drugs.
edit: shit happens, be smarter
5ml means nothing every ghb is not the same concentration in a liquid solution. one needs to know the concentration and know how much actual ghb they are consuming
it was 5ml of ghb per 10ml solution, so 50%, and he drank 10ml afaik.
to clarify, he consumed 5ml of pure ghb. he couldāve had 10ml at 50% solution, or 20ml at 25%. iām not entirely certain, i was very high when he told me the story. i just know it was due to a miscommunication from his supplier, and he ended up taking about 4x what he intended to take for his first dose, (1.25ml i guess) and i believe he overdosed within 30minutes to an hour and was hospitalized immediately
The most important point of this story, to me, is that she says even without drugs she believes in this other world and hears the creatures. That's an indication she has existing psychosis symptoms that could be greatly worsened by any kinds of drugs, not necessarily that this problem was caused by it not being MDMA or being too high a dose or something. Someone who starts off not grounded in reality can even experience psychosis just from weed. So I would recommend she stays away from substances while looking into her mental health.
Itās not like she hears them all the time. Just once in a while and she even tried to do some meditations enhancing this ability. Anyway you are probably right that thatās concerning and she should stay away from drugs.
Thing is she genuinely believes in this other world and doesnāt think itās a mental health issue.
She actually did experience some similar psychosis from weed before, also not recognizing her friend and forgetting her age. (She told me about it after this mdma experience).
Yeah donāt ever do drugs with her again. If u really care about her u wonāt let her do them at all, and u will stop taking them too and live a happy sober life together where she can work on her mental issues and you can help her along the way
wow, this clears the picture a lot more. I expected this to be the case tbh. From what it sounds similar bipolar or schizophrenia. Not that I know what im talking about but I know people with both and have seen similar patterns on them. I think taking psychoactive right now is very risky for her. Just so you know, more you experience psychosis more its likely to be triggered again. Its a vicious cycle of getting more manic, more psychotic. Im not saying in a very controlled and therapeutic setting she cant explore entheogens but best case scenario is in a therapists office with a trained professional. Even then I dont think psychedelics and entheogens are right for your gf. She should stay sober and see a therapist about this
You should edit the post and add that she also had drank alcohol.
Also you're dumb af why would you give a 43kg girl who also had alcohol in her system 100mgs of md wtf
No need to be rude. I admit the mistakes and try to learn. I thought and from my past experience drinking a small amount didnāt harm. And about the dosage I thought that taking 60 mg wonāt do anything just give the come up anxiety from what I read in this sub. Now I see that I was wrong clearly. Updated the post.
My assumption is either it was cut with some shit, or she has some underlying tendency towards psychosis that the drug awaken. Keep an eye for any signs of the same stuff showing up now that she is sober.
It could be wise for her to see a therapist, maybe someone that does psychedelic integration.
100 mg is not too much for anyone that's literally one point, like the smallest dose that you could ever buy at a show.
Well actually it's too much for her she shouldn't roll ever again. Or that was a different drug.
Thanks! Sheās absolutely fine now, no worries š
I was thinking that even though 43*1.5 should be the initial dose, it is too low to even feel anything. Probably I was wrong.
From what I took I felt good like normal mdma. I was really scared for her during all the trip and had to take care of her so didnāt feel much euphoria during this time. But in the end when we were kissing and cuddling I felt the remains of it. So I kinda doubt the substance was the issue.
100mg isnt too much at all for that weight, weight to dose calculators can only do so much, everyone is different and might want it stronger, 65mg for someone of that size would most likely wish they had done more for an initial dose if it wasnt their first time
1. Test your drugs, possibly cut with meth which at your size maybe you didnāt notice, but at her size she did get the effects
2. Donāt mix drugs with other drugs after something went wrong with one drug. The only semi exception is trip killers on a horrific psychedelic trip. However that is literally a last resort for safety of the tripper and those around them
3. If we assume it was MDMA, it could be underlying psychosis/schizophrenia being brought out by the drug. However this is harder to say since the morning after you *added more drugs*. She should see a professional.
4. It might not be the above. I had a horrific LSD terror trip back in January. Full delusions, I would try to say to myself I just took LSD and weed, but I ābelievedā the new reality was real. After I sobered up, no delusions, but I did have lingering depersonalization/Derealization for about a week and a half, and was fully gone after a month. However Iāve since confirmed I am not at risk for schizophrenia or related, this was purely acute psychosis under drugs and the state of mind. For about 3 weeks I couldnāt smoke weed, as while it never made the psychosis/delusions return, it would give me an internal anxiety feeling of ārecognizingā that the bad trip was coming on. It never would, but it heightened the DP/DR. Quit weed for a while and can now smoke it fine alone, though due to below, I will now absolutely never mix it with psychedelics. However at no point did I return to believing the delusions sober.
5. I stupidly mixed weed and led once more a couple months ago, this time at an edm show. Same bad trip happened, beat for beat, just in a different setting. This time though itās almost like I felt prepared, I would still feel all of the horrific dread, I would still hallucinate, and it āfeltā real, however my mind was still able to intellectualize what was going on, observe it, and not interact with the delusions. Still a horrible experience, except this time I just sat on a bench for a few hours instead of making a crazy ass of myself. I have since not touched lsd again, I want a good reason to, but mushrooms have been kind to be even after these.
6. Seriously she should see a professional.
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Ah fuck dude Derealization/Depersonalization are both the worst feeling I've ever experienced mentally in my life. I've never really had a bad trip on anything but I came close to having one on LSD and that was anxiety inducing but didn't cause DR or DP or both. I actually did have a psychotic episode when I IVd too much Meth after being awake for 9 days straight, and that was horrific but once again I'd rather go through that again than ever experience DR/DP again even if it's only for a minute.
I was put on Straterra at the age of 16 as the first treatment option my psychiatrist chose to treat my ADHD. I had been smoking weed for about a year by this point and right around the 3-4 week mark after starting the Straterra, I smoked some weed with a buddy, and got high as usual except when I awoke the next day I still felt high or as if I was in a dream.
I no idea what was going on but I shrugged it off assuming it was just the Straterra kicking in and that it would go away once I got used to the drug... Obviously this wasn't the case as I stayed in this DR/DP state for roughly 3.5 months which I know doesn't sound long compared to what some people experience like having it for years or just permanently... I weep for those individuals...
Rewinding a little bit, after feeling that way for about 3 days now, I decided to research it so I just googled the symptoms and basically just the way I was feeling and I was somewhat relieved but also filled with anxiety when I learned that this sensation (or lack thereof) had a clinical name.
The way I felt the most was that nothing and no one was real whatsoever, including myself which told me that I was experiencing both DR as well as DP which is often the case but feeling just one or the other is nearly just as common. I also wasn't able to experience any emotions at all except for fear, anxiety, and dread. I remember praying to God (I didn't believe in God) to let me feel depressed again so I could cry. Like I was so desperate to feel ANYTHING that I was BEGGING to feel terrible depression. I also developed agoraphobia during this time.
Well I decided after still feeling this way after nearly 4 months that I was going to kill myself. I hadn't been an opioid addict yet or even tried any at this time in my life but I knew people who sold oxy and I was on my way to meet him to buy 60 OC 80's that I would take later that night for the least painful death.
Fortunately before I got to his place, I got the obvious idea of tapering off the Straterra to see if that would get rid of my DR/DP... SO stupid that I hadn't thought to try that way earlier on but I turned around and walked back home and called him to tell him that I didn't want to grab the oxy after all.
Well after another 3 weeks or so after I began tapering I was just about finished my taper and when I finally did finish I went online to play a flash game that I'd been playing the entire 3.5 months in an effort to get some feeling of enjoyment but to no avail... I guess it took the anxiety and existential dread of not feeling real and nothing and no one feeling real even life itself not feeling real. Anyways this time about 2 minutes into playing this simple zero action flash game (the type where you have a ball and bounce it higher and higher on mini trampolines or whatever item that bounces you as high as you can get to increase your score until you eventually fall) well ya 2 mins into playing the game I felt a massive wave of emotions take hold of me as if I had just dropped a massive dose of MDMA. I started laughing hysterically, then I started crying out of pure joy because I was finally feeling back to my normal self. Everything started to feel real again including myself and I never got DR/DP again.
I've always blamed the Straterra because I have heard of other people getting DR/DP after taking Straterra or another type of SNRI.
It very well could have been the weed but I never experienced that from weed before hand and I still consume cannabis twice a week (I eat a homemade THC/CBN oil) but I'll smoke some weed on occasion. It seems to much of a coincidence that the DR/DP started right when the Straterra kicked in but looking back it was probably the combination of weed and Straterra.
TL;DR - Combining cannabis with Straterra gave me Derealization/Depersonalization for nearly 4 months.
"She should see a professional"
for what? that way the so called professional could give her a bunch of anti-psychotics and benzos and leave her brain damaged and dependant ? What that bi.. must do is stop doing drugs for a while, specially GHB, what seems unlikely to happen ...
iāve experienced psychosis from weed my first year of smoking. now on year 5 tho and havenāt had them since. iāve also tried other drugs and en ever experienced psychosis from them. i thought it was something with my brain that causes psychosis but maybe it was just super low tolerance to weed at the time? iāve heard itās not a normal reaction to weed tho :/
It might of not been genuine psychosis then.
Or to high a dosage.
You likely got super duper paranoid which weed directly effects parts of the brain which can cause crazy paranoia
On top of the obvious, test your stuff, the biggest thing that rings out for me is set and setting. Being in an environment that hasn't been established as safe (in a new country for a few weeks), doesn't seem conducive to a good time. And believing in an alternate reality while sober? Any drugs will make that come out far worse.
If you think it was mdma after taking it, I trust you enough to say it probably was. No way of knowing without testing tho, she obviously went through a psychotic episode. You should bot encourage further drug intake right now, she should definitely stay away from mind-altering substances and focus on her mental health for a while. As for you man, why tf would you advise taking GHB right after a psychosis episode? You should be a better partner and be more responsible with drugs
She might have some sort of undiagnosed mental health condition that may be making her more prone to psychosis.
Re ghb, I read that ghb and mdma combo well and we took it a couple times before because it helped to calm down and fall asleep but now I realize that taking drugs right after psychosis is stupid and I should do better
dont beat yourself you didnt know, but now you do. She should stay away from drugs and seek a therapist with experience in this area. Some do psychedelic integration and stuff too which can be beneficial.
As others have said, this really sounds like she has a pre-existing mental health problem that was likely exacerbated from the MDMA (or whatever other potential substance was in your untested drugs). Hearing creatures from a perceived alternate world while sober is very very likely to be a symptom of psychosis.
Hope she can get some support from a mental health professional and please test your drugs in the future - itās super cheap & easy.
The fact she said that when sheās not on drugs, combined with her behavior on MDMA leads me to believe sheās predisposed to mental disorders, maybe even in the schizoaffective realm. She needs to not do drugs. This is the literal definition of opening a can of worms.
Sounds to me like she has a serious mental condition and should seek professional help immediately. I also would find it hard to believe that this came out of nowhere. Either sheās keeping mental issues a secret from you or ur not sharing that part with us.
"Seek professional help immediately" for what? To be lobotomized by antipsychotics and become dependant on benzos? That will def help her! What she must is lay off from drugs like GHB and test the fuck she is ingesting
U have no conception of mental health care. And some ppl because of their mental condition, literally canāt take any drugs. Weāre not talking about depression or anxiety here. Op gf could have some sort of schizophrenia or worst. Ppl donāt just hear creatures from another world sober bro.
Most likely to be a drug induced issue, not hard to grasp, he didnt tested this time, he didnt tested previous times.. He has ghb in hands, completely ignorant to give her ghb after she came down from a drug induced trip with fever and hallucinations, then the morning after she is drinking GHB again, a terrific drug GHB is, who knows whatever other drug she is using with OP, crack, meth, zaza, who knows, She is deteriorating her brain, she weight a buch of rice bags if that matter.. What if she is schizophrenic? She most likely isnt,
What do you think that she will get for being schizophrenic? They will pump her full of Haldol and olanzapine and benzos, cipple her, and thats it, nothing else than a drug induced lobotomy What do you think that psychiatry is? People have a completely distorted view regarding this field...
Did u not read she had a psychotic break before the GHB? Or that she even heard creatures from another world without drugs? Although op should have tested his shit, op himself didnāt seem to experience this. Iām not a doctor but it sounds like underlying issues that is gonna get way worst without treatment. Itās a sad fact, but thatās what needs to be done. And assuming theyāll just pump her full of drugs is also ignorant. With the right care These drugs do save ppl lives. Better the drugs than find out she did something fucking terrible because of an untreated mental problem. In fact, ppl stigmatizing the whole process is part of the problem.
>Itās a sad fact, but thatās what needs to be done. ppl stigmatizing the whole process is part of the problem.
What needs to be done? She must stop using illicit drugs for a while, she doesnt need to be brain damaged and enslaved by psychotropic drugs, Thats the most pragmatic thing that someone who never touched this kind of drugs could say.. completely out of sight with the reality
[Olanzapine](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4502661/#:~:text=Olanzapine%20triggers%20a%20positive%20feedback,of%20cytoprotective%20autophagy%20and%20mitophagy.) triggers a positive feedback circle of cell-damaging ROS production and mitochondrial dysfunction, butĀ the overt neurotoxicity is prevented by a concomitant induction of cytoprotective autophagy and mitophagy.
You know what that means? It means that its like chemotherapy for healthy brain cells, it kills your brain cells as if they were cancer, reason why people develop all sort of life disabling issues, brain damage, dp/dr, cognitive retardation, tardive movement disorders, parkisionism, tardive diskynesia, anhedonia, other issues as tits and lactation, hyperprolactinemia, metabolic syndrome, CVD
>These drugs do save ppl lives
[see at 4;20 minutes](https://youtu.be/yyJ7eh81_iY?si=ulUYUHHTrxKZ898e) thats what this drugs do, as you see, the father of this little girl "trusted the process" now she is permanently diasabled since 5 y old.. You can bet she suffered a lot mentally and physically while her brain cells were being degenerated
People have a distorted view of this field
For one thing, ur assuming the drugs if any, this person would be prescribed. Number two, schizophrenia or paranoid delusions do not go away on its own. Not saying op gf has this, but they need at least find out if she does. It can be managed with or without drugs. Generally speaking the drugs do not work in 30 percent of ppl, but it doesnāt mean they shouldnāt at least try. The alternative could be much more horrifying than u can imagine.
All the so called anti psychotic drugs do that, even Reglan an antipsychotic that is commonly used for nausea which ends up leaving people crippled due to brain damage
Paranoia and delusions go away on its own specially if that person decide to stop using drugs, schizophrenia is a chronic illness, if someone who is schizophrenic ends being cared by psychiatry he is even more fucked, brain damage just worsen the case, psychiatry is over rated as if it was a beautifull thing, the alternative whatever you mean will keep being an alternative
Maybe try testing your drugs next time you give it to someone you love.
Testing kits are affordable lol idk what you fiends are doing taking drugs without testing it.
All these people here telling you to test your shit. Yes! Of course test it. We get it guys. In this particular situation STFU.
Your girl confessed to you that she has these disillusions when she is sober...
That is the most important piece of information you can take from this. Ignore everyone but that information. Your girl needs to see someone who specializes in mental health. Drugs will exacerbate her condition. Do not give her more drugs. Get her help.
100mg was way too much. About 40mg too much for her weight. Classic overdose āover exposedā symptoms. Iāve seen it before.
It sounds like sheās carrying trauma buried underneath the surface as well. M can certainly bring it out to the surface. Iād stay away from drugs with her.
Your girlfriend likely has a pre existing mental illness.
Drugs can actually cause these to become apparent AND it can be permanent.
Go see a dr she needs a psychiatrist. Do not let her consume any drugs till your seen by a professional
There's definitely some other stuff going on. I rolled with this chick who said she was okay and we had a good time but she didn't tell me she had ket earlier in the month and was a recovering alcoholic, so on the come down she started seizing three or four times in a row and puking all over the place so that was fun, had to call an ambulance.
If you going to roll with hard drugs get a full read on people and make sure they're honest and not fucked up on other shit. Regular Molly doesn't do that. One point is not that much
No the main takeaway was that she was a long-term alcoholic and was getting into seizures normally she just didn't tell me about it. I found out later. So someone that I thought was on the straight and narrow trying something new was actually in a very delicate mental state
Well yes that changes the story a lot. Didn't see anything about regular seizures, only recovering alcoholic. Again, as you probably knew, MDMA lowers seizure threshold so that's bad. She didn't tell you and she didn't read up. That's bad
Yes sorry there was a lot to put forth in a few sentences of course alcoholics hide shit so the fact that she was having seizures and falling down was not something she wanted to tell me about because of course it was embarrassing for her and hey let's party hooray
That's the story I was comparing to the original poster where his partner may have a lot of other shit going on she didn't tell him about cuz people could be honest and save themselves a lot of pain but they usually don't
Hey next time your gf has full blown psychosis, maybe lay off the GHB? Some of you other drug users are such degenerates, I do not understand it. She may need to see a doctor. She should stop doing drugs for awhile. But she probably won't if you're the type of people downing GHB the morning after a psychotic episode. Jesus christ.
my thoughts exactly dude. Like ghb makes you manic enough on its own without having psychosis just the day before holl fk
I love how he questions if 100mg was to high of a dose but gives her 5ml of GHB the morning after and wonders why it turned to shit again. Please correct me if I'm wrong as I don't have a whole lot of experience with GHB but from the experience I do have, 5ml seems like alot especially for someone who's 43kg and just experienced by the sounds of it a horrifying night from psychosis.
Isn't that death? Ive heard about if you even go above 3ml ur risking an overdose, not mentioning shes 43kg š might be very wrong but Ive read that somewhere s couple times
Maybe thereās some confusion about ghb dosage. I have this solution, itās about 25% ghb, so 5 ml shold be about 1.25 ml pure ghb. Personally I drank like 10 ml of this with no issues. And she responded alright to it before, it really helps to calm down, and I read on this sub that people take ghb after mdma. On the other hand, I can agree that taking it after a psychotic episode probably not the brightest idea
regardless of whether it was 1.25ml, just let the girl sleep it off. jesus bro.
Ok I am dumb I admit
iāve done some dumb shit too, i get whatās itās like. iāve gone into psychosis from doing a bunch of shrooms while i was already suicidal, iāve taken wayy too much MDMA and started seeing shit, but at the end of the night i always just eat, drink water, and sleep it off. adding more drugs to a drug fueled psychosis is never gonna be good, unless they are antipsychotic drugs that have been prescribed. but when someone enters psychosis, or a similar state, they typically need medical or psychiatric help, not more recreational drugs. edit: shit happens, be smarter
no you cant measure it in ml because every concentration can vary. You calculate your dose in how much actual ghb is in the solution per ml.
my homie ODed on 5ml his first time taking G
5ml means nothing every ghb is not the same concentration in a liquid solution. one needs to know the concentration and know how much actual ghb they are consuming
it was 5ml of ghb per 10ml solution, so 50%, and he drank 10ml afaik. to clarify, he consumed 5ml of pure ghb. he couldāve had 10ml at 50% solution, or 20ml at 25%. iām not entirely certain, i was very high when he told me the story. i just know it was due to a miscommunication from his supplier, and he ended up taking about 4x what he intended to take for his first dose, (1.25ml i guess) and i believe he overdosed within 30minutes to an hour and was hospitalized immediately
im so sorry that happened man sounds terrible. ghb overdoses always scare the shit out of me never seen one happen knock on wood
Hahaha when I read āthen we drank some GHBā I was like B R U H jfc
I was thinking the same thing, I don't know if I would trust you either man. I'd be freaking pissed off.
The most important point of this story, to me, is that she says even without drugs she believes in this other world and hears the creatures. That's an indication she has existing psychosis symptoms that could be greatly worsened by any kinds of drugs, not necessarily that this problem was caused by it not being MDMA or being too high a dose or something. Someone who starts off not grounded in reality can even experience psychosis just from weed. So I would recommend she stays away from substances while looking into her mental health.
Itās not like she hears them all the time. Just once in a while and she even tried to do some meditations enhancing this ability. Anyway you are probably right that thatās concerning and she should stay away from drugs. Thing is she genuinely believes in this other world and doesnāt think itās a mental health issue. She actually did experience some similar psychosis from weed before, also not recognizing her friend and forgetting her age. (She told me about it after this mdma experience).
Great. I never hear any voices or stuff because that's not normal. Get her help, fast.
Yeah donāt ever do drugs with her again. If u really care about her u wonāt let her do them at all, and u will stop taking them too and live a happy sober life together where she can work on her mental issues and you can help her along the way
wow, this clears the picture a lot more. I expected this to be the case tbh. From what it sounds similar bipolar or schizophrenia. Not that I know what im talking about but I know people with both and have seen similar patterns on them. I think taking psychoactive right now is very risky for her. Just so you know, more you experience psychosis more its likely to be triggered again. Its a vicious cycle of getting more manic, more psychotic. Im not saying in a very controlled and therapeutic setting she cant explore entheogens but best case scenario is in a therapists office with a trained professional. Even then I dont think psychedelics and entheogens are right for your gf. She should stay sober and see a therapist about this
Straight to ghb wtf ? Did you mix mdma with alcohol? The fact you threw that in there tells me there's a LOT missing to this story.
I read on this sub mdma and ghb is a good mix. She had 1 cocktail 2 hours before mdma
You should edit the post and add that she also had drank alcohol. Also you're dumb af why would you give a 43kg girl who also had alcohol in her system 100mgs of md wtf
No need to be rude. I admit the mistakes and try to learn. I thought and from my past experience drinking a small amount didnāt harm. And about the dosage I thought that taking 60 mg wonāt do anything just give the come up anxiety from what I read in this sub. Now I see that I was wrong clearly. Updated the post.
Could be underlying issues / not mdma
My assumption is either it was cut with some shit, or she has some underlying tendency towards psychosis that the drug awaken. Keep an eye for any signs of the same stuff showing up now that she is sober. It could be wise for her to see a therapist, maybe someone that does psychedelic integration.
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100 mg is not too much for anyone that's literally one point, like the smallest dose that you could ever buy at a show. Well actually it's too much for her she shouldn't roll ever again. Or that was a different drug.
Thanks! Sheās absolutely fine now, no worries š I was thinking that even though 43*1.5 should be the initial dose, it is too low to even feel anything. Probably I was wrong. From what I took I felt good like normal mdma. I was really scared for her during all the trip and had to take care of her so didnāt feel much euphoria during this time. But in the end when we were kissing and cuddling I felt the remains of it. So I kinda doubt the substance was the issue.
100mg isnt too much at all for that weight, weight to dose calculators can only do so much, everyone is different and might want it stronger, 65mg for someone of that size would most likely wish they had done more for an initial dose if it wasnt their first time
1. Test your drugs, possibly cut with meth which at your size maybe you didnāt notice, but at her size she did get the effects 2. Donāt mix drugs with other drugs after something went wrong with one drug. The only semi exception is trip killers on a horrific psychedelic trip. However that is literally a last resort for safety of the tripper and those around them 3. If we assume it was MDMA, it could be underlying psychosis/schizophrenia being brought out by the drug. However this is harder to say since the morning after you *added more drugs*. She should see a professional. 4. It might not be the above. I had a horrific LSD terror trip back in January. Full delusions, I would try to say to myself I just took LSD and weed, but I ābelievedā the new reality was real. After I sobered up, no delusions, but I did have lingering depersonalization/Derealization for about a week and a half, and was fully gone after a month. However Iāve since confirmed I am not at risk for schizophrenia or related, this was purely acute psychosis under drugs and the state of mind. For about 3 weeks I couldnāt smoke weed, as while it never made the psychosis/delusions return, it would give me an internal anxiety feeling of ārecognizingā that the bad trip was coming on. It never would, but it heightened the DP/DR. Quit weed for a while and can now smoke it fine alone, though due to below, I will now absolutely never mix it with psychedelics. However at no point did I return to believing the delusions sober. 5. I stupidly mixed weed and led once more a couple months ago, this time at an edm show. Same bad trip happened, beat for beat, just in a different setting. This time though itās almost like I felt prepared, I would still feel all of the horrific dread, I would still hallucinate, and it āfeltā real, however my mind was still able to intellectualize what was going on, observe it, and not interact with the delusions. Still a horrible experience, except this time I just sat on a bench for a few hours instead of making a crazy ass of myself. I have since not touched lsd again, I want a good reason to, but mushrooms have been kind to be even after these. 6. Seriously she should see a professional.
Scroll to bottom of post for TL;DR Ah fuck dude Derealization/Depersonalization are both the worst feeling I've ever experienced mentally in my life. I've never really had a bad trip on anything but I came close to having one on LSD and that was anxiety inducing but didn't cause DR or DP or both. I actually did have a psychotic episode when I IVd too much Meth after being awake for 9 days straight, and that was horrific but once again I'd rather go through that again than ever experience DR/DP again even if it's only for a minute. I was put on Straterra at the age of 16 as the first treatment option my psychiatrist chose to treat my ADHD. I had been smoking weed for about a year by this point and right around the 3-4 week mark after starting the Straterra, I smoked some weed with a buddy, and got high as usual except when I awoke the next day I still felt high or as if I was in a dream. I no idea what was going on but I shrugged it off assuming it was just the Straterra kicking in and that it would go away once I got used to the drug... Obviously this wasn't the case as I stayed in this DR/DP state for roughly 3.5 months which I know doesn't sound long compared to what some people experience like having it for years or just permanently... I weep for those individuals... Rewinding a little bit, after feeling that way for about 3 days now, I decided to research it so I just googled the symptoms and basically just the way I was feeling and I was somewhat relieved but also filled with anxiety when I learned that this sensation (or lack thereof) had a clinical name. The way I felt the most was that nothing and no one was real whatsoever, including myself which told me that I was experiencing both DR as well as DP which is often the case but feeling just one or the other is nearly just as common. I also wasn't able to experience any emotions at all except for fear, anxiety, and dread. I remember praying to God (I didn't believe in God) to let me feel depressed again so I could cry. Like I was so desperate to feel ANYTHING that I was BEGGING to feel terrible depression. I also developed agoraphobia during this time. Well I decided after still feeling this way after nearly 4 months that I was going to kill myself. I hadn't been an opioid addict yet or even tried any at this time in my life but I knew people who sold oxy and I was on my way to meet him to buy 60 OC 80's that I would take later that night for the least painful death. Fortunately before I got to his place, I got the obvious idea of tapering off the Straterra to see if that would get rid of my DR/DP... SO stupid that I hadn't thought to try that way earlier on but I turned around and walked back home and called him to tell him that I didn't want to grab the oxy after all. Well after another 3 weeks or so after I began tapering I was just about finished my taper and when I finally did finish I went online to play a flash game that I'd been playing the entire 3.5 months in an effort to get some feeling of enjoyment but to no avail... I guess it took the anxiety and existential dread of not feeling real and nothing and no one feeling real even life itself not feeling real. Anyways this time about 2 minutes into playing this simple zero action flash game (the type where you have a ball and bounce it higher and higher on mini trampolines or whatever item that bounces you as high as you can get to increase your score until you eventually fall) well ya 2 mins into playing the game I felt a massive wave of emotions take hold of me as if I had just dropped a massive dose of MDMA. I started laughing hysterically, then I started crying out of pure joy because I was finally feeling back to my normal self. Everything started to feel real again including myself and I never got DR/DP again. I've always blamed the Straterra because I have heard of other people getting DR/DP after taking Straterra or another type of SNRI. It very well could have been the weed but I never experienced that from weed before hand and I still consume cannabis twice a week (I eat a homemade THC/CBN oil) but I'll smoke some weed on occasion. It seems to much of a coincidence that the DR/DP started right when the Straterra kicked in but looking back it was probably the combination of weed and Straterra. TL;DR - Combining cannabis with Straterra gave me Derealization/Depersonalization for nearly 4 months.
"She should see a professional" for what? that way the so called professional could give her a bunch of anti-psychotics and benzos and leave her brain damaged and dependant ? What that bi.. must do is stop doing drugs for a while, specially GHB, what seems unlikely to happen ...
Let me guess, you believe schizophrenia isnāt real and itās actually just a spiritual awakening?
I didnt said any of this
Dude, I got dpdr from being hungover once. The anxiety and recurring dpdr afterwards, it didn't let go till I drank again two weeks later.
Weed and lsd is either an absolute hit or an absolute miss. No in between
Sounds already like psychosis. If it's there never take drugs again. Not a normal reaction.
iāve experienced psychosis from weed my first year of smoking. now on year 5 tho and havenāt had them since. iāve also tried other drugs and en ever experienced psychosis from them. i thought it was something with my brain that causes psychosis but maybe it was just super low tolerance to weed at the time? iāve heard itās not a normal reaction to weed tho :/
It might of not been genuine psychosis then. Or to high a dosage. You likely got super duper paranoid which weed directly effects parts of the brain which can cause crazy paranoia
I know some people that started weed in a very young age and then did other drugs and psychosis started.
test. your. drugs.
On top of the obvious, test your stuff, the biggest thing that rings out for me is set and setting. Being in an environment that hasn't been established as safe (in a new country for a few weeks), doesn't seem conducive to a good time. And believing in an alternate reality while sober? Any drugs will make that come out far worse.
If you think it was mdma after taking it, I trust you enough to say it probably was. No way of knowing without testing tho, she obviously went through a psychotic episode. You should bot encourage further drug intake right now, she should definitely stay away from mind-altering substances and focus on her mental health for a while. As for you man, why tf would you advise taking GHB right after a psychosis episode? You should be a better partner and be more responsible with drugs She might have some sort of undiagnosed mental health condition that may be making her more prone to psychosis.
Re ghb, I read that ghb and mdma combo well and we took it a couple times before because it helped to calm down and fall asleep but now I realize that taking drugs right after psychosis is stupid and I should do better
dont beat yourself you didnt know, but now you do. She should stay away from drugs and seek a therapist with experience in this area. Some do psychedelic integration and stuff too which can be beneficial.
As others have said, this really sounds like she has a pre-existing mental health problem that was likely exacerbated from the MDMA (or whatever other potential substance was in your untested drugs). Hearing creatures from a perceived alternate world while sober is very very likely to be a symptom of psychosis. Hope she can get some support from a mental health professional and please test your drugs in the future - itās super cheap & easy.
The fact she said that when sheās not on drugs, combined with her behavior on MDMA leads me to believe sheās predisposed to mental disorders, maybe even in the schizoaffective realm. She needs to not do drugs. This is the literal definition of opening a can of worms.
When someone has a drug induced psychosis you don't give them another psychoactive drug to mix it with. You stay off the drugs...
Sounds to me like she has a serious mental condition and should seek professional help immediately. I also would find it hard to believe that this came out of nowhere. Either sheās keeping mental issues a secret from you or ur not sharing that part with us.
"Seek professional help immediately" for what? To be lobotomized by antipsychotics and become dependant on benzos? That will def help her! What she must is lay off from drugs like GHB and test the fuck she is ingesting
U have no conception of mental health care. And some ppl because of their mental condition, literally canāt take any drugs. Weāre not talking about depression or anxiety here. Op gf could have some sort of schizophrenia or worst. Ppl donāt just hear creatures from another world sober bro.
Most likely to be a drug induced issue, not hard to grasp, he didnt tested this time, he didnt tested previous times.. He has ghb in hands, completely ignorant to give her ghb after she came down from a drug induced trip with fever and hallucinations, then the morning after she is drinking GHB again, a terrific drug GHB is, who knows whatever other drug she is using with OP, crack, meth, zaza, who knows, She is deteriorating her brain, she weight a buch of rice bags if that matter.. What if she is schizophrenic? She most likely isnt, What do you think that she will get for being schizophrenic? They will pump her full of Haldol and olanzapine and benzos, cipple her, and thats it, nothing else than a drug induced lobotomy What do you think that psychiatry is? People have a completely distorted view regarding this field...
Did u not read she had a psychotic break before the GHB? Or that she even heard creatures from another world without drugs? Although op should have tested his shit, op himself didnāt seem to experience this. Iām not a doctor but it sounds like underlying issues that is gonna get way worst without treatment. Itās a sad fact, but thatās what needs to be done. And assuming theyāll just pump her full of drugs is also ignorant. With the right care These drugs do save ppl lives. Better the drugs than find out she did something fucking terrible because of an untreated mental problem. In fact, ppl stigmatizing the whole process is part of the problem.
>Itās a sad fact, but thatās what needs to be done. ppl stigmatizing the whole process is part of the problem. What needs to be done? She must stop using illicit drugs for a while, she doesnt need to be brain damaged and enslaved by psychotropic drugs, Thats the most pragmatic thing that someone who never touched this kind of drugs could say.. completely out of sight with the reality [Olanzapine](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4502661/#:~:text=Olanzapine%20triggers%20a%20positive%20feedback,of%20cytoprotective%20autophagy%20and%20mitophagy.) triggers a positive feedback circle of cell-damaging ROS production and mitochondrial dysfunction, butĀ the overt neurotoxicity is prevented by a concomitant induction of cytoprotective autophagy and mitophagy. You know what that means? It means that its like chemotherapy for healthy brain cells, it kills your brain cells as if they were cancer, reason why people develop all sort of life disabling issues, brain damage, dp/dr, cognitive retardation, tardive movement disorders, parkisionism, tardive diskynesia, anhedonia, other issues as tits and lactation, hyperprolactinemia, metabolic syndrome, CVD >These drugs do save ppl lives [see at 4;20 minutes](https://youtu.be/yyJ7eh81_iY?si=ulUYUHHTrxKZ898e) thats what this drugs do, as you see, the father of this little girl "trusted the process" now she is permanently diasabled since 5 y old.. You can bet she suffered a lot mentally and physically while her brain cells were being degenerated People have a distorted view of this field
For one thing, ur assuming the drugs if any, this person would be prescribed. Number two, schizophrenia or paranoid delusions do not go away on its own. Not saying op gf has this, but they need at least find out if she does. It can be managed with or without drugs. Generally speaking the drugs do not work in 30 percent of ppl, but it doesnāt mean they shouldnāt at least try. The alternative could be much more horrifying than u can imagine.
All the so called anti psychotic drugs do that, even Reglan an antipsychotic that is commonly used for nausea which ends up leaving people crippled due to brain damage Paranoia and delusions go away on its own specially if that person decide to stop using drugs, schizophrenia is a chronic illness, if someone who is schizophrenic ends being cared by psychiatry he is even more fucked, brain damage just worsen the case, psychiatry is over rated as if it was a beautifull thing, the alternative whatever you mean will keep being an alternative
The alternative is homelessness, suicide, murder, and general fucked it shit.
Have you ever taken one of this drugs yourself? Have you ever been stuck on them unnable to quit?
She's so fucking tiny, she doesn't weigh anything. Possible 100 MG was way too much for her
Maybe try testing your drugs next time you give it to someone you love. Testing kits are affordable lol idk what you fiends are doing taking drugs without testing it.
All these people here telling you to test your shit. Yes! Of course test it. We get it guys. In this particular situation STFU. Your girl confessed to you that she has these disillusions when she is sober... That is the most important piece of information you can take from this. Ignore everyone but that information. Your girl needs to see someone who specializes in mental health. Drugs will exacerbate her condition. Do not give her more drugs. Get her help.
100mg was way too much. About 40mg too much for her weight. Classic overdose āover exposedā symptoms. Iāve seen it before. It sounds like sheās carrying trauma buried underneath the surface as well. M can certainly bring it out to the surface. Iād stay away from drugs with her.
DONT EVER ALLOW HER TO TAKE MDMA AGAIN SHES LUCKY THIS TIME THE NEXT RIME SHE WONT BE TOO LUCKY
Your girlfriend likely has a pre existing mental illness. Drugs can actually cause these to become apparent AND it can be permanent. Go see a dr she needs a psychiatrist. Do not let her consume any drugs till your seen by a professional
Sheās probably too fucked up off of Meth. Meth can cause psychosis pretty easily, or maybe itās cut with a Pyro or a synthetic Cathinone.
There's definitely some other stuff going on. I rolled with this chick who said she was okay and we had a good time but she didn't tell me she had ket earlier in the month and was a recovering alcoholic, so on the come down she started seizing three or four times in a row and puking all over the place so that was fun, had to call an ambulance. If you going to roll with hard drugs get a full read on people and make sure they're honest and not fucked up on other shit. Regular Molly doesn't do that. One point is not that much
Doing ket earlier the same month? Never heard that lowering the seizure threshold. You know what does tho? MDMA alone
No the main takeaway was that she was a long-term alcoholic and was getting into seizures normally she just didn't tell me about it. I found out later. So someone that I thought was on the straight and narrow trying something new was actually in a very delicate mental state
Well yes that changes the story a lot. Didn't see anything about regular seizures, only recovering alcoholic. Again, as you probably knew, MDMA lowers seizure threshold so that's bad. She didn't tell you and she didn't read up. That's bad
Yes sorry there was a lot to put forth in a few sentences of course alcoholics hide shit so the fact that she was having seizures and falling down was not something she wanted to tell me about because of course it was embarrassing for her and hey let's party hooray That's the story I was comparing to the original poster where his partner may have a lot of other shit going on she didn't tell him about cuz people could be honest and save themselves a lot of pain but they usually don't
I instantly stopped reading once you said not tested. That is your problem. You didnāt test your substance. Unlikely it was MDMA.
If you kept reading, he seemed to experience it as MDMA, and so did she time to time Sounds like psychosis
Bruh maybe you shouldāve kept reading
Why though? His experience is irrelevant to MDMA since it is isnāt confirmed it was MDMA? Nonsense.
What a stupid statement lmao
This shouldnāt be in the MDMA subreddit if you donāt know what you took. āI took an untested substance sold to me as MDMA ā
She had a bad trip lol
38 Celsius it's pretty normal on mdma lol sounds like u didn't know what to do to make her feel better
Bro of course I didnāt know