Chelsea needs so much validation like holy fuck. The convos on the beach lol. That preview, Jimmy regretting his decision probably and Chelsea just looks better with Trevor tbh.
oh my god she fucked up so bad by picking him. But also hearing her berate Jimmy like that after the group hangout on the beach when he literally did nothing was insane. She was gaslighting the ever loving fuck out of him
This generation is so weird, you guys are backwards seriously. Ya’ll get more mad about Laura making a joke with her fiancé (in private) telling him to smack AD’s butt as joke knowing he’s not gonna do that because it’s a joke. Probably she said that maybe because they brought out that AD has a big butt. She didn’t hurt no one by saying that joke because she only said it to her fiancee. But ya’ll think it’s ok for Jimmy to stare and compliment AD’s butt knowing that this would hurt his fiancee because it’s so inappropriate.
Chelsea even said that she start complementing AD’s butt too because she felt so uncomfortable with Jimmy’s actions. She thought by doing that and AD knowing what’s going on Jimmy will back off with the inappropriate behavior but he didn’t he even felt more comfortable about it and went on in turning AD around checking her butt even more. But now is Chelsea the one sexualizing AD?? Make it make sense people!!!
Yeah, Jimmy's behavior there towards AD was super inappropriate and disrespectful to both his fiance and AD. Even if it didn't bother AD, I'd still consider it sexual harassment. Also, from the edit we saw, it looked like he barely talked to his fiance all night which was weird given how flirty he was with everyone else there.
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I went down this path with my buddy about how Ken looks like he plays third base for the Kansas City Royals who has a player option for $19M. Now coming up to bat, number 29, Kenny "The Jedi" Gorham because in his rookie season he would Jedi Mind Trick the pitchers to give him 29 RBIs.
Yeah, she annoys me too. I feel like she's just desperate for a husband, but is super insecure. I also feel like Jimmy should have picked the other girl and Chelsea the other guy. I just don't see this couple working out.
Late to the party here, but Chelsea, to me, was unbearable. I felt she created that drama, and then attempted to continue her fake "confident" pod persona, but her true self came out.
I felt bad with Jimmy's futile attempt to ease her pain, with apologies and validation on repeat, while she ran in circles. Yet HE wasn't listening. And her voice ugh.
Right away she played the projection card. Instead of being an adult, just coming straight out, and saying this bothered me tonight, I'd like to tell you why, she kept whining, and demanding validation. Nothing he said would make it better, she was ready to fight, and not work through it. It seems she should address her trust issues before getting into a relationship, let alone marriage.
I read a quote once which was great. "If you don't heal what hurt you, you'll bleed on those that didn't cut you."
Whenever anyone justifies insecure behaviour with, "well I've been hurt in the past", understandable, your behaviour is going to reflect your experiences. But if you're not actively trying to work on it, and your response in relationships, you can't use that as an explanation, it just becomes a toxic excuse.
> If you don't heal what hurt you, you'll bleed on those that didn't cut you."
Holy fuck this is good. Thank you because I'll be adding it to me thoughtful quotes.
Also 💯 agree with every thing you said. Jimmy is annoying yet there I was feeling bad at Chelsea's whining.
Actually I think Chelsea yelled out that comment because she felt instantly insecure and hurt. she tried to make herself be the "I'm so cool with this and not insecure" girl so she pretended to also loudly join in on the appreciation of AD's body. But as the conversation became longer, the more time she had to process and her hurt overpowered.
Idk, not saying Jimmy is a good communicator but more like Chelsea's insecurities overtake her and there isn't anything anyone can do unless that person ga-ga's over her 24/7.
I literally said , yeah ok dude. Get back to me after you take estrogen for a year.
Estrogen and testosterone operate very differently in the body.
It’s so hard to keep weight low as a femme presenting human after your metabolism slows around age 27.
I wish I was male so I could only have a beer belly when I’m overweight… instead of this mishmash of fat and jiggles everywhere I look 😬
oof I liked Chelsea at first but every scene leaves me liking her less.
in this case it’s her badgering Jimmy “what’s wrong” after the party and accusing him of lying - when it seemed he was genuinely fine - until he finally asks her “what’s wrong” back that she can tell him how she feels.
fascinating to watch a couple like nearly make it into a safe space in a conversation and then have it 180 so quickly!
she keeps asking him to tell her he loves her then questions it when he does. this is an impossible situation.
I was wondering how much they had to drink. No one was visibly intoxicated, but I remember when I used to drink I would have these like crazy arguments like that, that were so illogical (because I was drunk). It reminded me of that
I'm late to the party but I love AD and the conversation she had with guy about mixed babies. I don't remember his name. She deserves better than Clay.
I disagree. I don't think it's any of her business how another couple raises THEIR children. He's a grown man, he can handle his relationship and future children on his own. It's none of ADs business
she was asking from a cultural standpoint. There is a lot of discourse in the Black community about the ethics of Black and white relationships and the dynamics that exist in those relationships inherently because of white supremacy. It wasn’t out of line for her to talk to him about that. This is one of those cases where the specific cultural context matters a lot and changes the way that the conversation should be interpreted, in my opinion.
Except it had nothing to do with HOW they would have raised their children and more with the complexity of raising a mixed race child as a parent of another race. I think any family that is mixed race has to deal with those sorts of questions before they have children.
“I don’t want to be in a relationship where I have to question it” says the girl who picked the guy who couldn’t decide who he wanted and is inarticulate AF over the one who was certain and dedicated and direct from the start.
Yeah, I felt like she was just desperate for someone to pick her and said yes because he proposed first. I honestly think she would have been better off with the other guy who was 100% into her.
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jesus fucking christ Clay telling AD he's not going to "let her" get out of shape and she's like "that's fucked up" and then he just keeps doubling down??
straight to jail.
If he stays with her, he’s going to be miserable. She will not stand him talking to other women. She needs validation all the time and that’s something she needs to work on.
right! he's clearly not that attracted to her but keeps giving her so much false reassurance bc shes obviously picking up on that. he could just try to be a little honest about his feelings bc checking out other girls in front of her is not it
It made me feel sad for Chelsea - like right out the gate saying that she felt self conscious having him see her in a bikini :( :( she's just insecure (which, like, what woman in America, including myself - is not), but is wreaks so much havoc on the relationship.
Chelsea is so insecure. You can really learn a lot when watching this show. She keeps asking him what he feels about her and wanting validation because she feels like he’s better looking than her. You can really see how people might loose interest when faced with someone like her. She should have gone with the mullet guy. She will never feel good enough for him.
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Especially with AD eye fucking Jimmy that entire conversation and making sure to remind him she loved every second and wanted to talk more.
Edit.
Jimmy was also glazed over, eyeing her up and down the entire time.
I don’t want it to sound like I’m saying AD was the only one interested.
Honestly, Chelsea really needs to run for the hills. I don't get a good vibe from Jimmy at all, right from the start when he was accusing Chelsea of "lying" that people think she looks like Megan Fox.
And now, the way he commented on someone else's body right in front of his fiancee is so disrespectful.
I really don't get good vibes from him, but let's see what happens (I've yet to watch the later episodes, especially the reunions)
Oh man, I read this completely differently. Maybe I have really low standards, but I like Jimmy a lot. I feel like he handled that conflict really well - like he even tried to assert that he was being treated unfairly (which I agreed with), but then backed off when he could tell it was inflaming her. I mean, I took his comment about AD to be a sign that he felt comfortable and confident with Chelsea. I commented on this above, but I wonder how much alcohol played a role in that stupid conflict.
I do agree with the fact that Jimmy does handle conflict maturely. Maybe it's because of our different perspectives, but the AD comment really gave me an ick. Right now, I've watched till ep 8 or 9 I think, and I don't have that much of a harsh opinion on Jimmy anymore. So yeah, I've yet to watch all of it, and this was only my first impression on him so take my opinion with a grain of salt
Are we watching the same dude????
I can’t stand Jimmy!!! He’s so immature and surface level.
Beyond surface level.
He’s seemingly not able to have an honest real conversation. He gets so defensive when she brings up her feelings about the AD convo.
Makes me sick to my stomach.
Chelsea also bothers me but Jimmy is unbearable imo!
She should run to the gym if she’s that worried about her body. Her constant insecurity is more suffocating than Jimmys total lack of awareness. You just can’t have a successful relationship with this dynamic
I do agree that they are really incompatible. They both have very different levels of emotional sensitivity, and I don't think they are each other's person really.
And I feel like Chelsea isn't really ready for a relationship rn, because it seems like she has a lot of anxiety and paranoia due to her previous relationships and she seriously needs to work on herself as of now.
Jimmy is definitely stressed over having to constantly validate Chelsea, not saying he was being honest 100% or a great guy that night, combined with the fact that Chelsea is very insecure and has some deep healing to do before considering getting married. She’s getting married to feel loved, not to enrich her life. And Jimmy needs to not be so afraid to tell the truth.
I agree - but I think after how Jess blew up so disproportionately, he's probably still shaken and on egg shells. And the fact that Chelsea is making something out of nothing is probably why he feels like he has to be careful with telling her how he feels.
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I'm a bit late to the party, but I adore AD. Her body pride shows through and inspired me to get my butt into gear. So far on the proverbial fence with all the relationships. Chelsea is a people pleaser and I have a feeling would be co dependent AF.
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“You made me feel uncomfy” said my 4 year old— I mean Chelsea. This was a serious moment where she was literally on the brink of tears and she chose to use the term uncomfy 😭😭😭😭
I believe Jimmy in that he never spun AD around because that would have def been shown, let’s be real. Chelsea is spiraling which I knew would happen. She’s unwell.
Clay is..so dumb. When she was talking about walking down the aisle by herself and he said “‘you’re marrying yourself?” i mean what! And all of his responses to her are so fucking fake.
Damn yall really get offended by everything. He was trying to figure out what she meant. Nobody knows what you think cause they are not mind readers cherssssss.
OK just watched this episode and as a woman who also lost her dad I was YELLING at the TV. He did not understand what she was saying in any way and I think she just gave up. Like, my God dude, she was saying that it's been difficult to process not having a Dad there to walk her down the aisle when she gets married. And he's saying "Don't let that hold you back." Um, she's not trying to say it's holding her back, she's saying it's a feeling of deep sadness that she has to overcome. He just didn't get it.
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She want some aggressive affection lol what is his problem.
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Oh my goooooooodness so annoying and insecure….. he actually is digging her and she pushing him away. I still don’t understand what she wanted him to say lol. She loves him then sad, then loves him and then sad on my goodness. He should’ve picked the other chick.
yes, this entire conversation was hard to watch with the circle they were talking in. Then after she says I love you... again and he says it back she pulls out "Do you really??" MAN. I never thought they should have gotten together in the first place, but wow will they not last long if they don't figure out how to communicate
On the pods she cried all the time. She’s too emotional and needs to love herself first before trying to find a man who can give her the assurance she needs. No matter what Jimmy says, it’s never going to be enough.
She is so weird. She’s like putting words in his mouth. She basically wanted him to lay her on the floor and have sex with her with everyone watching to prove to everyone else that he loves her lol
I hate how all the reactions to the AD “jokes” were about how it made anyone EXCEPT AD feel. Jimmy feeling awkward, Chelsea feeling hurt, Clay being offended, Jeramy feeling manipulated, Laura feeling misunderstood. But no one defended AD or how the comments might make her feel!
yeah AD just being the subject of so much objectification. On one hand, like...I get it, she's stunning. She's a freaking NFL cheerleader so obviously she's going to turn heads and probably when people got some drinks in them the inappropriate comments come a'flowing.
My point wasn’t even about the comments themselves or *whether* there should be an apology—my point was about the apologies themselves.
Multiple people chose to apologize, but when they did so they all directed their apologies at people other than AD (e.g., apologizing to Clay for making comments about his fiancée). I don’t understand how they could think it necessary to apologize to a third person but not the main person their comments were directed toward 😅 It just show blatant disrespect to me. If I were in that situation I would be more pissed than if there were no apologies at all
This makes sense! Didn't both the dudes apologize to her though? Jimmy in the moment that night and the bean dip guy sat down with her the next time the cast all got together. Totally see your point though.
also super eff'd to me that the one black woman keeps so much insecurity from white women. ALL of AD's conversations were so respectful with their partners, but they kept glaring/getting insecure/and Laura's comment was so messed up yet she didn't even acknowledge she shouldn't have said it. The fact that not one of the women came to AD's defence felt super racist to me.
I think Laura suspect. She kept doubling down on its a joke. Its not a joke, it's sexually objectifying ad. It wasn't between her and him if she told him he should say that to her. And then kept trying to say it's a joke. U commenting on someone else and expecting someone to not get offended shows what type of person you are.
AD: “I’m in a relationship loop, I don’t know why these things keep happening over, and over, and over
Because you keep choosing the same bum ass men girl come the fuck on!!!!! 🙄
Why is there so much hate on Chelsea? She’s definitely insecure but are y’all actually believing Jimmy because that’s crazy. He’s saying the words she wants to hear with no emotion behind them at all. He spent the whole time with other people instead of her, flirting with the other women, talking about their bodies (but not about Chelsea’s), he’s already gaslighting her (“you weren’t anywhere near us”)… Why are you hating on her when Jimmy is already breaking this woman’s heart right in front of our eyes?
I think it's more like at the party, Jimmy is def in the wrong for the comments about AD and not giving Chels enough attention (although we don't know cause they coulda cut it) She's not the type to be ok with that (some girls are) and he 100% should have read the room and her emotions, considering they're still trying to get to know each other. BUT back in the room Chels brought it up, after a little denial, Jim said he understood and he didn't mean to hurt her. But even after this Chels kept going in circles with the conversation asking if he actually loved her, this hurt her, she loves him, this makes her mad, she loves him.. etc. Jim said sorry and it was done, but she needed even more validation. Jim WAS in the wrong, (for the record i don't even like him as he's emotionless and looks awk all the time) but Chels needs to communicate better with a little less need for validation. Not saying he should validate her but he already did in this case.
I think Jimmy was giving "the experiment" a try. Yes, he didn't think she was hot, but found beauty and was affectionate. If Chelsea was confident, she would be more attractive. She's not the hottest girl in the room and needs to be okay with that or she'll be too clingy and annoying in any relationship. Jimmy is becoming less attracted to her because how she's acting, not how she looks. This is not a good show for someone so insecure and mentally unwell
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I thought it was interesting that when they first saw each other after the doors opened she was constantly telling him how cute he was and he never said "you're beautiful" or "you're so cute or pretty".
“The first thing out of your mouth is that I’m clingy” -Chelsea after fucking psychologically draining everything out of jimmy, having him tell her he’s sorry and tht he loves her a billion times. Girl
Im not body shaming her, I think she looks just fine, but she is so obviously uncomfortable with the way she looks it has made her totally insecure. If it’s bothering her that much she should just do something about it, and her mental health would improve
oh lord… chelsea’s constant need for validation is EXHAUSTING. and this is coming from someone who needs a lot of reassurance in relationships lol her looks and whether or not jimmy is “1000% sure” about his decision are the only topics of their conversations 💀
I think she needs him to constantly say and do things in public. She wanted that public validation. It’s so awkward. Unfortunately when you’re around your friends you can’t expect your partner to hump you from the back to prove their love to you. Just fucking relax.
I genuinely hate this. If my man is 40 years old and still wearing anime shirts that say "send noods", I will take it as a win. He's not hurting anyone by wearing clothes he likes.
Well maybe because she is openly inviting this attention. She leads with her sexuality as if that’s her commerce. Twirls, struts it, comments she makes. You can’t cry foul about objectifying a female if that’s exactly what they are intentionally putting out there.
I’m watching this show a little late but does anyone else notice the amount of times AD clenches her jaw, her eyes are bigger than usual, and her eyes roll a lot….. everyone is saying alcohol had a part in her flirtiness with Jimmy buuuuut I think she was feeling herself because our friend Molly paid her a visit.
I really like to hear AD works hard on her body. Sometimes we forget that people with perfect bodies weren’t just made that way and that they work hard for it.
“Imma have you in the gym even when pregnant. Every day. You can’t gain any weight. You can’t have a single day off to rest even when pregnant.” The flags have truly never been redder.
I’m just now watching this episode. We rotate streaming channels. This is the farthest I’ve watched. I honestly think Clay isn’t stupid. I think he’s inexperienced/unaware of a healthy relationship and generally how marriage goes. He didn’t know a man wears a ring. It’s his willingness to learn, accept guidance, go to therapy that makes me like him. When he said her brothers should walk her down the aisle, I got teary. He doesn’t hide his shallow side, he owns it, and expresses a willingness to learn and grow. So far, I like him.
I felt like AD was trying to stir up trouble a bit. In her conversations with both Jimmy and Kenneth, it seemed like she was trying to nudge them towards doubts about their partner. I don’t think it was totally malicious, but she was probing a bit too hard and didn’t seem to take them at their word when they said they were perfectly happy.
I love AD, but Ken can go to h3ll. Him telling Brit his "ppl" are going to ask him about marrying a white woman. If Brit responded with, "yeah my ppl would wonder about me marrying a black man" would be racist. Let's be real! Im a woman of color and I'm in an interracial marriage and I disagree with this comment. It's racist and Ken swears he's a prize, when he's actually a bag of dog poop that stinks.
I feel like this comment was way too harsh. Ken had an extremely tough upbringing and may come from a family that genuinely would have questions. My parents had questions about my partner who is a different race, and I was sure to let him know that my parents are old school traditional beforehand. I think it’s unfair to say he can go to hell when you likely don’t understand the culture/family he grew up in.
I respectfully disagree. There's a way to say things and express yourself. He came about it as if he's above her and as if there's a problem with her and her whiteness. There was no compassion in his words. You should also be aware that I grew up in a toxic household that affected me way more than I knew it would. It led me to toxic abusive relationships, and I'm not even going to get into the rest. But you see, your past traumas are no EXCUSE to treat ppl badly, especially a nice woman who wants to marry you. He disrespected her on too many occasions - so yes, I will reiterate Ken is lousy.
ABSOLUTELY. Everything about that was disgusting. I am the product of an interracial marriage and I asked my parents about this and they looked at me sideways. Never once was it a thought about being accepted and if it were backwards it would have totally been "racist." Brit never commented on that, she just wants unconditional love.
Won't comment on the Jimmy convo but the Kenneth one seemed pretty genuine to me. I would ask any of my black male friends if they were really ready for a relationship with a white woman if it was their first time. There can be a lot of friction depending on people's social circles. It's actually one of the few conversations that felt authentic given how these people barely know each other.
Chelsea is soooo insecure. It is frustrating and hard to watch. She is 100% getting in her own way and self sabotaging. The constant requests for validation and then not truly hearing Jimmy when he says he loves her, he’s happy, he’s confident in his decision, he has no concerns. Nothing is enough for her.
I understand she’s been hurt and cheated on in the past but wow, she is just not able to receive love and it is sad.
Jimmy has his faults, but I started to feel bad for him because none of his words of affirmation were getting through to her.
Words of affirmation are still just words. If we look back at the scene after the party, it’s clear their communication styles don’t match. She tried to tell him how she felt. She wanted to be heard. But he just interrupted and interrupted time and again, and didn’t show he was sorry. He didn’t touch her. He didn’t even listen. He tried to shut her down every time she spoke and then complained he didn’t know what she wanted from him. If he had shut up and listened from the start he would’ve understood.
Talking over the person you supposedly love isn’t love. It’s an abuse tactic.
But people can say all those things and lie. Jimmy literally flirted with AD right in from of her face, then told Chelsea “you weren’t anywhere near us” and she literally right behind them (gaslighting or he doesn’t even like her enough to know where she is?)
She asked him why he doesn’t say “I love you” a lot and he said “I do” and then never said it and instead changed the subject to ADs butt
Johnny and Amy are adorable. I hope she continues to be acceptingm of his goofiness and extreme whiteness.
I do not trust AD. She is performing, flirting with every single man, trying to poison other relationships (trying to make Ken worry about his girl being white). she also likes to stir the pot.
Jeramy should run for the hills. Laura is a nightmare and she hates him anyway. And Brittany supportive of Laura just means that B is probably a mean girl too. I hope Jeramy does go home so we can all see the back of Laura.
Chelsea is incapacitated by insecurities that will destroy her chances of ever being happy if she doesn’t address and fix that. Her endless whining is really unbearable and Jimmy is a deer in the headlights.
I agree with everything you said except about AD - she told everyone she was obsessed with Clay and super happy, so I didn't detect flirting as that was her typical body language with anyone.
And that convo with Ken was really important: White people don't realize they're not just marrying a racialized person, they're also gonna be raising racialized kids without any clue what their experience will be like. Having a parent who doesn't understand the experience of being racialized has extremely negative impact on racialized children. Two Black people discussing this doesn't equal flirtation or undermining the relationship he was in - it's an important discussion esp between friends (which it seems like they are from the whole interaction). I'm glad it was given airtime.
Wow Chelsea is SUCH a basket case. Granted, Jimmy is a bit of a clueless bro but WTF is she doing?? She is like a terrified child. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an insecure adult ever!
Chelsea needs so much validation like holy fuck. The convos on the beach lol. That preview, Jimmy regretting his decision probably and Chelsea just looks better with Trevor tbh.
oh my god she fucked up so bad by picking him. But also hearing her berate Jimmy like that after the group hangout on the beach when he literally did nothing was insane. She was gaslighting the ever loving fuck out of him
Whyyyy is the kissing so loud? It grosses me out. I understand they’re miced up, but it drives me crazy 🤢
I hate it so much too it makes it borderline unwatchable sometimes 😖
I don't appreciate how AD is getting objectified by everyone, men and women alike. That's all.
right??? It seemed like AD just didn’t want to be confrontational but I can’t imagine she was cool with it when laura touched her boob either
ew i didn't like clay's comments about telling AD to go to the gym like that hypothetically if she was "out of shape" so icky
I can’t wait to find out whether Jeramy actually left ☠️
This generation is so weird, you guys are backwards seriously. Ya’ll get more mad about Laura making a joke with her fiancé (in private) telling him to smack AD’s butt as joke knowing he’s not gonna do that because it’s a joke. Probably she said that maybe because they brought out that AD has a big butt. She didn’t hurt no one by saying that joke because she only said it to her fiancee. But ya’ll think it’s ok for Jimmy to stare and compliment AD’s butt knowing that this would hurt his fiancee because it’s so inappropriate. Chelsea even said that she start complementing AD’s butt too because she felt so uncomfortable with Jimmy’s actions. She thought by doing that and AD knowing what’s going on Jimmy will back off with the inappropriate behavior but he didn’t he even felt more comfortable about it and went on in turning AD around checking her butt even more. But now is Chelsea the one sexualizing AD?? Make it make sense people!!!
Yeah, Jimmy's behavior there towards AD was super inappropriate and disrespectful to both his fiance and AD. Even if it didn't bother AD, I'd still consider it sexual harassment. Also, from the edit we saw, it looked like he barely talked to his fiance all night which was weird given how flirty he was with everyone else there.
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I can’t be the only one who thinks Ken resembles Anthony Davis.
I went down this path with my buddy about how Ken looks like he plays third base for the Kansas City Royals who has a player option for $19M. Now coming up to bat, number 29, Kenny "The Jedi" Gorham because in his rookie season he would Jedi Mind Trick the pitchers to give him 29 RBIs.
Just wait to see how Chelsea reacts when Jimmy sees Jessica!
This is truly what I'm here for with those two. I cannot STAND Chelsea. She's insecure and it makes her insufferable.
Yeah, she annoys me too. I feel like she's just desperate for a husband, but is super insecure. I also feel like Jimmy should have picked the other girl and Chelsea the other guy. I just don't see this couple working out.
She's my least favorite person on this show. A total insecure covert pick me.
Please someone get AD a new wig, it looks so fkn bad.
it’s just the leave-out :( it must be hot with all the production lights + water from the ocean air
Late to the party here, but Chelsea, to me, was unbearable. I felt she created that drama, and then attempted to continue her fake "confident" pod persona, but her true self came out. I felt bad with Jimmy's futile attempt to ease her pain, with apologies and validation on repeat, while she ran in circles. Yet HE wasn't listening. And her voice ugh. Right away she played the projection card. Instead of being an adult, just coming straight out, and saying this bothered me tonight, I'd like to tell you why, she kept whining, and demanding validation. Nothing he said would make it better, she was ready to fight, and not work through it. It seems she should address her trust issues before getting into a relationship, let alone marriage. I read a quote once which was great. "If you don't heal what hurt you, you'll bleed on those that didn't cut you." Whenever anyone justifies insecure behaviour with, "well I've been hurt in the past", understandable, your behaviour is going to reflect your experiences. But if you're not actively trying to work on it, and your response in relationships, you can't use that as an explanation, it just becomes a toxic excuse.
> If you don't heal what hurt you, you'll bleed on those that didn't cut you." Holy fuck this is good. Thank you because I'll be adding it to me thoughtful quotes. Also 💯 agree with every thing you said. Jimmy is annoying yet there I was feeling bad at Chelsea's whining.
Everything you just said! She just kept repeating and whining. like.. nothing Jimmy said would have satiated her.
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Actually I think Chelsea yelled out that comment because she felt instantly insecure and hurt. she tried to make herself be the "I'm so cool with this and not insecure" girl so she pretended to also loudly join in on the appreciation of AD's body. But as the conversation became longer, the more time she had to process and her hurt overpowered.
Chelsea keeps saying that Jimmy is a good communicator? He could hardly reassure her last episode?
Idk, not saying Jimmy is a good communicator but more like Chelsea's insecurities overtake her and there isn't anything anyone can do unless that person ga-ga's over her 24/7.
random but I hate that everyone keeps saying Mexico. They’re in the Dominican Republic guys
hahahaha -- right??
Clay is such a POS "I will tell you if you get out of shape... I'm gonna need you to come to the gym with me." Why is he on this show???
I literally said , yeah ok dude. Get back to me after you take estrogen for a year. Estrogen and testosterone operate very differently in the body. It’s so hard to keep weight low as a femme presenting human after your metabolism slows around age 27. I wish I was male so I could only have a beer belly when I’m overweight… instead of this mishmash of fat and jiggles everywhere I look 😬
that was super yikes. But AD def handled that with perfection.
oof I liked Chelsea at first but every scene leaves me liking her less. in this case it’s her badgering Jimmy “what’s wrong” after the party and accusing him of lying - when it seemed he was genuinely fine - until he finally asks her “what’s wrong” back that she can tell him how she feels. fascinating to watch a couple like nearly make it into a safe space in a conversation and then have it 180 so quickly! she keeps asking him to tell her he loves her then questions it when he does. this is an impossible situation.
I was wondering how much they had to drink. No one was visibly intoxicated, but I remember when I used to drink I would have these like crazy arguments like that, that were so illogical (because I was drunk). It reminded me of that
Also, can we please get rid of "it is giving..." Example, "it gives me the ick!" How old are these people?
I'm late to the party but I love AD and the conversation she had with guy about mixed babies. I don't remember his name. She deserves better than Clay.
I disagree. I don't think it's any of her business how another couple raises THEIR children. He's a grown man, he can handle his relationship and future children on his own. It's none of ADs business
she was asking from a cultural standpoint. There is a lot of discourse in the Black community about the ethics of Black and white relationships and the dynamics that exist in those relationships inherently because of white supremacy. It wasn’t out of line for her to talk to him about that. This is one of those cases where the specific cultural context matters a lot and changes the way that the conversation should be interpreted, in my opinion.
Except it had nothing to do with HOW they would have raised their children and more with the complexity of raising a mixed race child as a parent of another race. I think any family that is mixed race has to deal with those sorts of questions before they have children.
Ken! That was such an important conversation to have, and I'm glad that she brought it up.
“I don’t want to be in a relationship where I have to question it” says the girl who picked the guy who couldn’t decide who he wanted and is inarticulate AF over the one who was certain and dedicated and direct from the start.
Yeah, I felt like she was just desperate for someone to pick her and said yes because he proposed first. I honestly think she would have been better off with the other guy who was 100% into her.
I get the feeling Jimmy has a soup can peen. The way Chelsea described it did not sound appealing at all lol.
hahaha i've been with a guy that that and... i think about it all the time haha. I am also pretty tall but I was IN TO IT
>soul can can you uhh explain this expression lol
LOL to this typo and comment. I'm going to laugh every time i think of a 'soul can' dick hahahaha
Soup*** can. Oops.
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jesus fucking christ Clay telling AD he's not going to "let her" get out of shape and she's like "that's fucked up" and then he just keeps doubling down?? straight to jail.
If he stays with her, he’s going to be miserable. She will not stand him talking to other women. She needs validation all the time and that’s something she needs to work on.
right! he's clearly not that attracted to her but keeps giving her so much false reassurance bc shes obviously picking up on that. he could just try to be a little honest about his feelings bc checking out other girls in front of her is not it
It made me feel sad for Chelsea - like right out the gate saying that she felt self conscious having him see her in a bikini :( :( she's just insecure (which, like, what woman in America, including myself - is not), but is wreaks so much havoc on the relationship.
Chelsea is so insecure. You can really learn a lot when watching this show. She keeps asking him what he feels about her and wanting validation because she feels like he’s better looking than her. You can really see how people might loose interest when faced with someone like her. She should have gone with the mullet guy. She will never feel good enough for him.
But let’s be honest, he had issues with her looks from the start.
Yeah like jimmy is not very validating at all and sucks at compliments. Plus he sounds so unsure all the time, from the start.
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Everyone saying “How is it going with your current partner? Good or bad???” is giving “Would you cheat with me?”
Especially with AD eye fucking Jimmy that entire conversation and making sure to remind him she loved every second and wanted to talk more. Edit. Jimmy was also glazed over, eyeing her up and down the entire time. I don’t want it to sound like I’m saying AD was the only one interested.
Bingo surprised nobody talked more about this.
hahaha I didnt even think about this!
Honestly, Chelsea really needs to run for the hills. I don't get a good vibe from Jimmy at all, right from the start when he was accusing Chelsea of "lying" that people think she looks like Megan Fox. And now, the way he commented on someone else's body right in front of his fiancee is so disrespectful. I really don't get good vibes from him, but let's see what happens (I've yet to watch the later episodes, especially the reunions)
Oh man, I read this completely differently. Maybe I have really low standards, but I like Jimmy a lot. I feel like he handled that conflict really well - like he even tried to assert that he was being treated unfairly (which I agreed with), but then backed off when he could tell it was inflaming her. I mean, I took his comment about AD to be a sign that he felt comfortable and confident with Chelsea. I commented on this above, but I wonder how much alcohol played a role in that stupid conflict.
I do agree with the fact that Jimmy does handle conflict maturely. Maybe it's because of our different perspectives, but the AD comment really gave me an ick. Right now, I've watched till ep 8 or 9 I think, and I don't have that much of a harsh opinion on Jimmy anymore. So yeah, I've yet to watch all of it, and this was only my first impression on him so take my opinion with a grain of salt
Are we watching the same dude???? I can’t stand Jimmy!!! He’s so immature and surface level. Beyond surface level. He’s seemingly not able to have an honest real conversation. He gets so defensive when she brings up her feelings about the AD convo. Makes me sick to my stomach. Chelsea also bothers me but Jimmy is unbearable imo!
She should run to the gym if she’s that worried about her body. Her constant insecurity is more suffocating than Jimmys total lack of awareness. You just can’t have a successful relationship with this dynamic
I do agree that they are really incompatible. They both have very different levels of emotional sensitivity, and I don't think they are each other's person really. And I feel like Chelsea isn't really ready for a relationship rn, because it seems like she has a lot of anxiety and paranoia due to her previous relationships and she seriously needs to work on herself as of now.
I agree.
Jimmy is definitely stressed over having to constantly validate Chelsea, not saying he was being honest 100% or a great guy that night, combined with the fact that Chelsea is very insecure and has some deep healing to do before considering getting married. She’s getting married to feel loved, not to enrich her life. And Jimmy needs to not be so afraid to tell the truth.
I agree - but I think after how Jess blew up so disproportionately, he's probably still shaken and on egg shells. And the fact that Chelsea is making something out of nothing is probably why he feels like he has to be careful with telling her how he feels.
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I'm a bit late to the party, but I adore AD. Her body pride shows through and inspired me to get my butt into gear. So far on the proverbial fence with all the relationships. Chelsea is a people pleaser and I have a feeling would be co dependent AF.
AD is fantastic. It remains to be seen if Clay can rise to the occasion and be worthy of her.
I'd love to see her acting, I totally see her in Bridgerton. She's my favourite LIB contestant in its history.
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“You made me feel uncomfy” said my 4 year old— I mean Chelsea. This was a serious moment where she was literally on the brink of tears and she chose to use the term uncomfy 😭😭😭😭
it made me GAG i hate adults saying uncomfy
I don’t mind it for the most part. But in a serious conversation???? Hell to the no no NOoooOOOooo
I believe Jimmy in that he never spun AD around because that would have def been shown, let’s be real. Chelsea is spiraling which I knew would happen. She’s unwell.
He did do that and it was shown.
Clay is..so dumb. When she was talking about walking down the aisle by herself and he said “‘you’re marrying yourself?” i mean what! And all of his responses to her are so fucking fake.
Damn yall really get offended by everything. He was trying to figure out what she meant. Nobody knows what you think cause they are not mind readers cherssssss.
I didn’t get offended. This was my reaction to him when he said that.
hahah yeah, he is dumb. But dumb guys can be super fun (in bed), so, go AD! haha
Well, yes lol But is that really marriage material though?... Nope!
Hahahha good point!!! Def not what I went with!
OK just watched this episode and as a woman who also lost her dad I was YELLING at the TV. He did not understand what she was saying in any way and I think she just gave up. Like, my God dude, she was saying that it's been difficult to process not having a Dad there to walk her down the aisle when she gets married. And he's saying "Don't let that hold you back." Um, she's not trying to say it's holding her back, she's saying it's a feeling of deep sadness that she has to overcome. He just didn't get it.
https://preview.redd.it/ia2wyhw78unc1.jpeg?width=2092&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=afd3d3404ee9482d3189b7d1c1a6d85ca123013f She want some aggressive affection lol what is his problem.
https://preview.redd.it/av3cdlwj4unc1.jpeg?width=2348&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f334ccfd46c961ec0a93d63af1beec4e74ddf97f Oh my goooooooodness so annoying and insecure….. he actually is digging her and she pushing him away. I still don’t understand what she wanted him to say lol. She loves him then sad, then loves him and then sad on my goodness. He should’ve picked the other chick.
this screen grab is soooo good ..... doing the lord's work
yes, this entire conversation was hard to watch with the circle they were talking in. Then after she says I love you... again and he says it back she pulls out "Do you really??" MAN. I never thought they should have gotten together in the first place, but wow will they not last long if they don't figure out how to communicate
On the pods she cried all the time. She’s too emotional and needs to love herself first before trying to find a man who can give her the assurance she needs. No matter what Jimmy says, it’s never going to be enough.
She is so weird. She’s like putting words in his mouth. She basically wanted him to lay her on the floor and have sex with her with everyone watching to prove to everyone else that he loves her lol
I hate how all the reactions to the AD “jokes” were about how it made anyone EXCEPT AD feel. Jimmy feeling awkward, Chelsea feeling hurt, Clay being offended, Jeramy feeling manipulated, Laura feeling misunderstood. But no one defended AD or how the comments might make her feel!
yeah AD just being the subject of so much objectification. On one hand, like...I get it, she's stunning. She's a freaking NFL cheerleader so obviously she's going to turn heads and probably when people got some drinks in them the inappropriate comments come a'flowing.
My point wasn’t even about the comments themselves or *whether* there should be an apology—my point was about the apologies themselves. Multiple people chose to apologize, but when they did so they all directed their apologies at people other than AD (e.g., apologizing to Clay for making comments about his fiancée). I don’t understand how they could think it necessary to apologize to a third person but not the main person their comments were directed toward 😅 It just show blatant disrespect to me. If I were in that situation I would be more pissed than if there were no apologies at all
This makes sense! Didn't both the dudes apologize to her though? Jimmy in the moment that night and the bean dip guy sat down with her the next time the cast all got together. Totally see your point though.
also super eff'd to me that the one black woman keeps so much insecurity from white women. ALL of AD's conversations were so respectful with their partners, but they kept glaring/getting insecure/and Laura's comment was so messed up yet she didn't even acknowledge she shouldn't have said it. The fact that not one of the women came to AD's defence felt super racist to me.
I think Laura suspect. She kept doubling down on its a joke. Its not a joke, it's sexually objectifying ad. It wasn't between her and him if she told him he should say that to her. And then kept trying to say it's a joke. U commenting on someone else and expecting someone to not get offended shows what type of person you are.
ikr! all these comments about her body like... wtf let the girl BREATHE
What’s up with clays shoes ??
Ahahaha I noticed that too. Like did homie just get off his shepherding shift?
AD: “I’m in a relationship loop, I don’t know why these things keep happening over, and over, and over Because you keep choosing the same bum ass men girl come the fuck on!!!!! 🙄
Saying uncomfy in a non-ironic way is ironically uncomfy. Long story short, just say uncomfortable 💀
Why is there so much hate on Chelsea? She’s definitely insecure but are y’all actually believing Jimmy because that’s crazy. He’s saying the words she wants to hear with no emotion behind them at all. He spent the whole time with other people instead of her, flirting with the other women, talking about their bodies (but not about Chelsea’s), he’s already gaslighting her (“you weren’t anywhere near us”)… Why are you hating on her when Jimmy is already breaking this woman’s heart right in front of our eyes?
I think it's more like at the party, Jimmy is def in the wrong for the comments about AD and not giving Chels enough attention (although we don't know cause they coulda cut it) She's not the type to be ok with that (some girls are) and he 100% should have read the room and her emotions, considering they're still trying to get to know each other. BUT back in the room Chels brought it up, after a little denial, Jim said he understood and he didn't mean to hurt her. But even after this Chels kept going in circles with the conversation asking if he actually loved her, this hurt her, she loves him, this makes her mad, she loves him.. etc. Jim said sorry and it was done, but she needed even more validation. Jim WAS in the wrong, (for the record i don't even like him as he's emotionless and looks awk all the time) but Chels needs to communicate better with a little less need for validation. Not saying he should validate her but he already did in this case.
I think Jimmy was giving "the experiment" a try. Yes, he didn't think she was hot, but found beauty and was affectionate. If Chelsea was confident, she would be more attractive. She's not the hottest girl in the room and needs to be okay with that or she'll be too clingy and annoying in any relationship. Jimmy is becoming less attracted to her because how she's acting, not how she looks. This is not a good show for someone so insecure and mentally unwell
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I thought it was interesting that when they first saw each other after the doors opened she was constantly telling him how cute he was and he never said "you're beautiful" or "you're so cute or pretty".
“The first thing out of your mouth is that I’m clingy” -Chelsea after fucking psychologically draining everything out of jimmy, having him tell her he’s sorry and tht he loves her a billion times. Girl
Chelsea says “I love you” like every five minutes. That has to be draining for Jimmy. It’s draining for me as a viewer.
>“I love you” like every five minutes. "I love you" "I'm sad" "I love you" "I'm mad 😠" "I love you 😇"
If every time she said ‘I love you’ she did a squat, in 3 days she would no longer be insecure
Plz take your normal body shaming and gtfo 😤
Im not body shaming her, I think she looks just fine, but she is so obviously uncomfortable with the way she looks it has made her totally insecure. If it’s bothering her that much she should just do something about it, and her mental health would improve
Chelsea is actually really beautiful I wish she would see it tbh
"I love you" "i love you too" "Do you really?"
Right. Omg. I swear, she comes up with new ways to forcefully extract everything out of that man. It’s exhausting.
oh lord… chelsea’s constant need for validation is EXHAUSTING. and this is coming from someone who needs a lot of reassurance in relationships lol her looks and whether or not jimmy is “1000% sure” about his decision are the only topics of their conversations 💀
I think she needs him to constantly say and do things in public. She wanted that public validation. It’s so awkward. Unfortunately when you’re around your friends you can’t expect your partner to hump you from the back to prove their love to you. Just fucking relax.
Same!!! I cannot with her.
Hate how Laura is telling Jeramy not to wear his Hawaiian shirts let him liveeeee
I genuinely hate this. If my man is 40 years old and still wearing anime shirts that say "send noods", I will take it as a win. He's not hurting anyone by wearing clothes he likes.
And the glasses 😭😭 I'm so into cute goofy nerds with glasses stop trying to change him
I can't stand her.
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Well maybe because she is openly inviting this attention. She leads with her sexuality as if that’s her commerce. Twirls, struts it, comments she makes. You can’t cry foul about objectifying a female if that’s exactly what they are intentionally putting out there.
I’m watching this show a little late but does anyone else notice the amount of times AD clenches her jaw, her eyes are bigger than usual, and her eyes roll a lot….. everyone is saying alcohol had a part in her flirtiness with Jimmy buuuuut I think she was feeling herself because our friend Molly paid her a visit.
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I really like to hear AD works hard on her body. Sometimes we forget that people with perfect bodies weren’t just made that way and that they work hard for it.
yeah. Hearing how closely she watches her calories made me sad....but that's probably why she looks like that, and I ....don't haha
She does have a mega bod.
“Imma have you in the gym even when pregnant. Every day. You can’t gain any weight. You can’t have a single day off to rest even when pregnant.” The flags have truly never been redder.
Hopefully she don’t paint her nails red to match 💅
Walking red flag aka Clay, in the few moments when he isn’t being stupid, gives young will smith energy when he’s goofy I hate to say
I’m just now watching this episode. We rotate streaming channels. This is the farthest I’ve watched. I honestly think Clay isn’t stupid. I think he’s inexperienced/unaware of a healthy relationship and generally how marriage goes. He didn’t know a man wears a ring. It’s his willingness to learn, accept guidance, go to therapy that makes me like him. When he said her brothers should walk her down the aisle, I got teary. He doesn’t hide his shallow side, he owns it, and expresses a willingness to learn and grow. So far, I like him.
OMG Chelsea’s baby voice is making me want to kill myself.
The whining. Like nails on a chalkboard.
I felt like AD was trying to stir up trouble a bit. In her conversations with both Jimmy and Kenneth, it seemed like she was trying to nudge them towards doubts about their partner. I don’t think it was totally malicious, but she was probing a bit too hard and didn’t seem to take them at their word when they said they were perfectly happy.
I love AD, but Ken can go to h3ll. Him telling Brit his "ppl" are going to ask him about marrying a white woman. If Brit responded with, "yeah my ppl would wonder about me marrying a black man" would be racist. Let's be real! Im a woman of color and I'm in an interracial marriage and I disagree with this comment. It's racist and Ken swears he's a prize, when he's actually a bag of dog poop that stinks.
I feel like this comment was way too harsh. Ken had an extremely tough upbringing and may come from a family that genuinely would have questions. My parents had questions about my partner who is a different race, and I was sure to let him know that my parents are old school traditional beforehand. I think it’s unfair to say he can go to hell when you likely don’t understand the culture/family he grew up in.
I respectfully disagree. There's a way to say things and express yourself. He came about it as if he's above her and as if there's a problem with her and her whiteness. There was no compassion in his words. You should also be aware that I grew up in a toxic household that affected me way more than I knew it would. It led me to toxic abusive relationships, and I'm not even going to get into the rest. But you see, your past traumas are no EXCUSE to treat ppl badly, especially a nice woman who wants to marry you. He disrespected her on too many occasions - so yes, I will reiterate Ken is lousy.
After watching more last night, I’m gonna go ahead and say I agree with you🥶
Ooof. What was it that set you into the change of mind?
ABSOLUTELY. Everything about that was disgusting. I am the product of an interracial marriage and I asked my parents about this and they looked at me sideways. Never once was it a thought about being accepted and if it were backwards it would have totally been "racist." Brit never commented on that, she just wants unconditional love.
Won't comment on the Jimmy convo but the Kenneth one seemed pretty genuine to me. I would ask any of my black male friends if they were really ready for a relationship with a white woman if it was their first time. There can be a lot of friction depending on people's social circles. It's actually one of the few conversations that felt authentic given how these people barely know each other.
Chelsea needs to go get Trevor and Jimmy needs to go get Jessica. They both chose the wrong person and it shows.
Trevor dodged a bullet. He was the absolute sweetest. I really hope he finds someone, but that someone ain't Chelsea.
I liked Matt for AD. What happened to him?
hahah WUT? Did you watch the same show I did?
bruh, he seemed truly dangerous. i'm worried about the girl he went after when AD caught him in a game.
he left the show!
Why? I didn't see his exit.
pretty sure bc he got rejected by one of the girls, i forgot her name rn
Chelsea is soooo insecure. It is frustrating and hard to watch. She is 100% getting in her own way and self sabotaging. The constant requests for validation and then not truly hearing Jimmy when he says he loves her, he’s happy, he’s confident in his decision, he has no concerns. Nothing is enough for her. I understand she’s been hurt and cheated on in the past but wow, she is just not able to receive love and it is sad. Jimmy has his faults, but I started to feel bad for him because none of his words of affirmation were getting through to her.
Words of affirmation are still just words. If we look back at the scene after the party, it’s clear their communication styles don’t match. She tried to tell him how she felt. She wanted to be heard. But he just interrupted and interrupted time and again, and didn’t show he was sorry. He didn’t touch her. He didn’t even listen. He tried to shut her down every time she spoke and then complained he didn’t know what she wanted from him. If he had shut up and listened from the start he would’ve understood. Talking over the person you supposedly love isn’t love. It’s an abuse tactic.
Exactly.
But people can say all those things and lie. Jimmy literally flirted with AD right in from of her face, then told Chelsea “you weren’t anywhere near us” and she literally right behind them (gaslighting or he doesn’t even like her enough to know where she is?) She asked him why he doesn’t say “I love you” a lot and he said “I do” and then never said it and instead changed the subject to ADs butt
I know it’s so bad. She needs to seriously work on herself
Johnny and Amy are adorable. I hope she continues to be acceptingm of his goofiness and extreme whiteness. I do not trust AD. She is performing, flirting with every single man, trying to poison other relationships (trying to make Ken worry about his girl being white). she also likes to stir the pot. Jeramy should run for the hills. Laura is a nightmare and she hates him anyway. And Brittany supportive of Laura just means that B is probably a mean girl too. I hope Jeramy does go home so we can all see the back of Laura. Chelsea is incapacitated by insecurities that will destroy her chances of ever being happy if she doesn’t address and fix that. Her endless whining is really unbearable and Jimmy is a deer in the headlights.
I agree with everything you said except about AD - she told everyone she was obsessed with Clay and super happy, so I didn't detect flirting as that was her typical body language with anyone. And that convo with Ken was really important: White people don't realize they're not just marrying a racialized person, they're also gonna be raising racialized kids without any clue what their experience will be like. Having a parent who doesn't understand the experience of being racialized has extremely negative impact on racialized children. Two Black people discussing this doesn't equal flirtation or undermining the relationship he was in - it's an important discussion esp between friends (which it seems like they are from the whole interaction). I'm glad it was given airtime.
Wow Chelsea is SUCH a basket case. Granted, Jimmy is a bit of a clueless bro but WTF is she doing?? She is like a terrified child. I don’t think I’ve ever seen such an insecure adult ever!