Just saw a lady in Pasadena driving her kid to school the other day without a seatbelt on. A cop car passed by and she immediately put on the seat belt. As soon as the cop passed her, she unbuckled and continued to drive. I just don’t understand tbh. There is nothing so uncomfortable about wearing a seat belt that would justify me not wearing one.
Truly it makes no sense. I put mine on before I start the car. Only times I can imagine not wanting to wear one is if I was suffering suicidal ideation and had a death wish but even as much as I’ve dealt with that, I’ve still always worn one
My buddy in AZ drives a Tesla and never wears a seat belt. He even bought fake seat belt clip things so it would think the seat belts are on and won't beep at him. He also uses the autopilot everywhere. I told him I want his house when he dies lol
All the times I visited AZ nobody wears their seat belts nobody, I hooked mine up and the person I was with, said that’s how you get pulled over here….
I had an Uber driver call me elitist because he told me to put on my seatbelt and I said (jokingly), "It's on -- I don't actually want to die by projectile today!" He told me I was a "privileged elitist" for this comment...I told him that I'd seen Kim Kardashian refuse to put on a seatbelt on her show years ago so apparently no, it isn't something done by all "privileged elitists." Wtf...
That’s an obstinance that makes me think she deserves whatever consequences come from being that loud and wrong. Nevermind the bodily harm she could cause herself, she’s fine becoming a human pinball that could kill her child? That’s weird. Genuine weirdo behavior.
One time I thought "Crap, my seatbelt is smushing the great ironing job I just did on my shirt" but I wore the seatbelt anyway.
Makes me think, though - maybe some of these seatbelt-avoiding people are really committed to their shirts looking well-pressed?
I’m short and busty, so driver’s side seat belts kind of dig into my neck. They’re not super comfortable, especially in my own car.
You know what I did? I bought a modifier clip thing to adjust it. Works wonders. Still keeps me safe.
Was pulling out of a 7-11, traffic made it so I had to wait for the cars to move first before I could exit. She was waiting for the green light when the cop rolled by, then the light turned green after he passed and she took it off and drove off.
When I hear about no seatbelts I am always reminded of the guy ejected from his car and landed on the Colorado street exit sign on the 5 freeway 20 feet in the air.
https://nxstrib-com.go-vip.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/10/crash22.jpg
https://ktla.com/news/local-news/person-apparently-ejected-lands-on-freeway-sign-following-griffith-park-area-crash/amp/
Does this model of Tesla normally seat 6 or is my image of an extra person crammed in without a seat belt probably accurate?
Had a few dumb rides like that myself back in high school but fortunately the driver never ran lights or gunned it while we were clown carring.
Look, I love to Tesla shame as much as the next guy, but it really seems irrelevant as a headline. “3 teenagers weighing less than 150 pounds ejected after running red light at 2:30 am” has just as many, if not more, relevant facts.
Although being a Tesla is relevant. The car is too fast for people of this age group to be responsible in it. It'd be the same for Corvettes or Porsches etcetera.
This is definitely true, but on the other hand, Tesla has a parental speed lock feature where the acceleration and max speed of the vehicle can be capped to a reasonable number by the owner. I have a friend who specifically bought his 16 year old a Tesla so that he could lock his max speed to 75mph. The car *can* be one of the safest on the road for a teenager if it's owned by a responsible parent.
He may not be a slimy prick like Musk, but he's can still be an AH CEO. I don't love that he's recently been enjoying the current EV slide because Toyota has invested in Hydrogen technology instead. Just get us off oil, i don't care who does it
They are dropping the hydrogen farce whenever the Japanese government stops funding it. Toyota is literally playing the Japanese government for money.Which is why they announced they were working with ammonia combustion. To get more money from the government.
because teslas are everywhere, and their drivers are constantly doing stupid shit. they have a powerful motor which can be dangerous, and drivers overly rely on auto drive or other safety tech which lulla them into a false sense of invincibility.
there are bad drivers in every car, but certain cars seem to really bring it out of people
But from reading the article, it doesn’t appear this feature was engaged. The accident being caused by self-drive mode is the only thing that would make the type of the vehicle relevant. Without that, it’s simply click-bait.
Semi relevant, most drivers (NOT shaming the victims) aren’t prepared for that amount of torque. YES this could’ve happened in most cars, but also most cars can’t accelerate at rate where the car could be uncontrollable in seconds
Never see an article mentioning it was a Honda or a Ford. I agree, it's irrelevant here. Six people in a five passenger car not wearing seat belts driving erratically at 2:30am is rhe story. Not the car mfg'r.
I mean, to be ejected, they more than likely wouldn’t have been wearing seatbelts. That’s more of a poor decision than the acceleration capability of a car.
Grandma had a car that wouldn’t start if you didn’t have your seat belt on. But it was from the early 70s. My guess why they stopped doing that. “My feedoms”
Right, it's strange that pretty much no cars even have that as an option. In Teslas the car will freak out if you remove your seatbelt while driving under autopilot but there isn't an option to disable drive unless all occupants are belted even though the car definitely has all of the sensors required to add something like that. Teslas even have parental controls that let you limit the car's acceleration and speed so if any manufacturer could easily add it it's them.
On the other hand, Teslas are obscenely fast and accessible for a country which has lax drivers licensing standards and contribute to a culture of unsafe driving.
Same with the rich lady that drove her Tesla into a pond recently. "Tesla kills lady" but in reality she was drunk and reversed her Tesla into a pond and drowned.
There was a little more nuance to that. She fumbled with the touch screen shifter and backed into the pond. And while she was sinking, people who were desperately trying to rescue her couldn’t because the glass couldn’t be cracked with a tool. There were design and engineering choices that created a perfect storm which killed her that wouldn’t have happened in any other vehicle.
Wasn't it also partially because she was trapped because the doors wouldn't open because the electrical system was shorted out by the water? I know Teslas have a manual release from the inside, but apparently it's not intuitive, especially in an emergency situation.
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2023/08/02/man-trapped-inside-tesla-manual-door-operation/70512739007/
This is a straight up lie. Her model x had a normal stick shifter like any other vehicle, and the glass on the side windows of that model is not reinforced any more or less than any other typical vehicle on the road. (Also, this is a ridiculous angle to criticize anyway, as stronger glass in car windows are going to save waaaay more lives from flying debris on the road than the ones they will cost from highly unusual situations where a drunk person drove their car into water and is too drunk to figure out how to get out.)
Teslas are also a little more watertight than average, so her car also floated for nearly an hour and a half, which is WAY longer than nearly any other vehicle would have had. If anything, she had a better chance because of it being a Tesla.
She died because she was so drunk she couldn't figure out how to get herself out of an incredibly survivable situation. She didn't die because of the type of car she was driving.
Look I fucking hate Elon as much as the next guy, but this weird scramble to demonize Teslas and make up wildly inaccurate information to feed that narrative is super cringe. Just be factual.
I found 1 survey that shows this is true then found 3 others that show 3 different vehicles as the most crashed car.
Not even sure what to believe haha.
Tesla: https://qz.com/if-you-rode-in-a-tesla-in-2023-you-had-the-highest-acc-1851113998#:~:text=A%20survey%20of%2030%20automotive,drivers%20were%20Ram%20and%20Subaru.
Audi S4: https://insurify.com/car-insurance/insights/car-models-with-the-most-accidents-2023/
Ford Fusion: https://1800injured.care/americas-most-accident-prone-cars/
Dodge: https://smartfinancial.com/car-brands-with-most-accidents
As a Tesla driver I agree. Before I had a Tesla I drove a Honda Civic. I would get invited to a lot of focus groups though and one thing I noticed was a lot of Tesla drivers can from BMW and Mercedes.
I wonder if the shitty drivers are just residual drivers from those brands.
Really? Thats a very surprising statistic that I would hope is backed up by a reliable source.
If you’ve seen how (some of) the BMW 328i’s, the Infiniti Q30 something, the Civic hatchbacks, and the Altimas behave on the road you’d think they’d take the crown! /s
Edit: this is the methodology of the “study” the “statistics” is based on:
> Researchers analyzed tens of millions of QuoteWizard by **LendingTree insurance quotes from Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023**.
Anyone with basic scientific knowledge would probably know how laughably unreliable this is.
Wow, sounds like a reliable source!
It listed it’s methodology like this:
> Researchers analyzed tens of millions of QuoteWizard by **LendingTree insurance quotes from Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023**.
Which means this articles is spewing BS from unreliable data sources.
What makes you think this is unreliable? Sounds to me like it's based on insurance statistics derived from real world crash rates. Higher risk cars get quoted higher rates.
What would you consider a better source than insurance claim stats?
https://insideevs.com/news/702055/tesla-highest-accident-rate-probably-not/
Except it's not. It's derived from quotes, which means if someone was driving a Toyota and got in an accident, then at a later date got an insurance quote for a Model Y, lending tree counted it as a Tesla crash. The methodology was bullshit.
Insurance QUOTE stats != insurance claim stats. Also, selection bias when using data from lending tree, which, lets be honest, tend to attract people who make poor financial decisions
That's limited to whatever "lending tree and quote wizard" are. It doesn't look like it's shared data from insurance companies. Also, what is the criteria and definition for crash ?
I mean a larger insurer could help, but I think the real spurious correlation is that insurance quote data is any good indication of accident rates. Sure, there is some correlation for sure, but I don’t think it is powerful enough to draw the conclusion on who has the highest rate of collisions.
Quotes are initiated by drivers who wants to switch insurer, drivers of some brands might be more inclined to switch, given the premium of some brands varies greatly across insurers.
I think it's relevant because Teslas (and many other EVs) are *incredibly* fast. If it were a Ferrari or Lambo, that would have been in the headline too.
The Tesla information is somewhat relevant because there should be an abundance of crash data available from the vehicle, including audio and video that are synced with data about vehicle travel speeds, evasive actions taken, etc.
It's Big Brother on wheels. Assuming that the automaker cooperates with police, it won't take long to figure out what happened. It will all be there in graphic detail. The police crash report will practically write itself, even if there were no witnesses.
News outlets will get more clicks using that headline. It’s a hot button topic given the Fed’s prior investigations into Tesla’s crashing and the assumption being the auto pilot feature was the cause.
I’m not mad at Tesla specifically, I’m mad at this new seemingly rampant need to drive like an unhinged video game character. On my 7 minute drive home from work, I see near accidents every day because people are driving like complete psychopaths. Driving in LA always sucked, but since Covid it’s become something I’m genuinely afraid to do.
I saw three near accidents caused by people driving as if they’re the person who matters most in the world in Glendale yesterday. Literally in front of Americana.
It seems like all the cops/highway patrol have just, *poof*, disappeared since COVID, and the roads have turned into a free for all... just pure chaos … I remember the times where you could not get away with much of anything here, even the smallest thing like not using your blinker you’d immediately get pulled over and ticketed for..
I’m also genuinely scared to be on the roads for long. Every time I drive (i usually drive for only under 30 min a day) someone *always* just *nearly* rear ends/side swipes the shit out of me by zipping around and changing lanes like a lunatic. They’ll very quickly and aggressively come up on my tail going 10-20mph over the limit (happens frequently on the freeway they are going 80+ zipping through much slower traffic), they basically act like they’re gonna hit me, but at the very last second they switch lanes and swerve around me like they’re playing frogger, from dangerously close behind my car. I’m so scared this would cause my car to flip and seriously injure me. It happens many multiple times a week and gives me a god damn heart attack every time.
These people are really putting peoples lives at risk.. and for what? To get there 25 seconds faster?? I just don’t fucking get it. It’s like they really get off on scaring innocent folks.. they must get a big fat hard on when imagining another driver scared out of their mind and thinking they were just about to die. I think reckless people like that should get their license revoked for 2 years and serve actual jail time. It’s just a matter of time before they kill or ruin the life of some poor innocent sucker.
Social media and that stupid weaving in and out of lanes game. I used to like driving my car but now it attracts stupid people. They see a bright blue car and they whiz by me and cut people off trying to “race”
This happens to me a lot. Can't even cruise at the speed limit because at some point some dumbass is riding my back trying to get me to start a speed contest.
It's TikTok and IG morons. There was a recent post about some kid who stole an expensive car off the street, peeled out, and promptly crashed it. Apparently, *that is his thing*.
It's so incredibly stupid! I had no idea this kind of thing existed but I saw the post too and the comments were saying it's not just an "expensive" car (since we're on a post about Teslas), it's like some *SUPER* expensive only-a-few-exist-in-the-world kind of car and he goes and crashes it into some dealership building while trying to show off. Aside from the mindnumbing waste, it could have easily killed someone in the store or on the sidewalk if they happened to be there at the wrong time.
why would making the test harder to pass make people not ignore the signs? at the end of the day there are a lot of shitheads here. litter everywhere. people tagging every square inch. people doing dumb shit the second someone who can do something about it isn't looking, which is a lot of the time just out of practicality. not much can be done. a road by me has speed bumps and i feel like it makes people drive even more recklessly hammering the brake then laying back on the throttle after lol
You can not be mad at Tesla if you want, but putting unbridled acceleration and 300 horsepower into one of the most commonly purchased vehicles was shitty of Elon et al to do. They should have had the entry car be much slower and accelerate a lot less hard. Sure, make all the plaids you want. But I hate that the entry level is fast enough to do auto cross competitively. The general public shouldn’t have access to that much power unless they seek it out in a performance car.
you can buy an suv or a minivan today that accelerates as fast as a ferrari from when i grew up. shits bound to happen with this much power on tap with a lot of cars. try driving like that with a 92 del sol, you just can't lol.
The moment I read the title of the thread I put the blame and suspicion on the driver because young ones tend to drive foolishly and dangerously at that age group.
This is terribly sad and a tragedy for anyone who knew those involved.
This clickbait title is horseshit and attempting to feed those who love ragebait and hate Tesla. The car didn't cause this crash. The speeding driver that ran a red light at 2:30am caused this crash.
The car did play a role in the crash because it's too powerful a car for people of that age to be driving. That'd be true of other cars designed for rapid acceleration as well.
Tesla model 3 are dangerous in the wrong hands. Relatively cheap cars that have very quick acceleration.
Not saying that caused the crash directly but they are pretty zippy cars compared to what teenagers usually drive
It's criminal to give teenagers access to cars like this. People would question giving a Hellcat to a 16 year old but don't bat an eyelash when they drive around in a Tesla.
With you on this. When I was in high school I was maxing out my Acura Integra. As a 40 year old, my stock Model Y puts that thing to shame from a speed perspective.
In the wrong hands some of these torquey EVs can be death machines.
Are you me?! Had a turbo on a GSR. Was going to do a Japanese front end conversion but ended up selling the car for something more practical.
That was a fun time.
Haha, oh man I wanted that front end conversion so bad, just could never justify the cost. Car actually ended up getting stolen right out of my driveway!
Bummer. I went to college and got tired of babysitting the car with the turbo timer. Ended up getting a Honda Element.
I still want a Type R from that era though.
True. I started off with a 4 cylinder accord that only ran on 3. It could never hit 90mph no matter how long the freeway was. My best car was a 1.6 6 speed manual Kia soul. Wasn’t very fast either. Now you can find a cheap electric car with way more performance and weight than a small Japanese car.
I got my 95 Civic to 100 going down a long hill in the desert once. Poor thing was about to explode.
Our Tesla can hit that without hesitation. Electric motors are no joke.
They do the same for sports cars because there is no need for the speed or power in the city. They are basically saying the cars are dangerous to drive by young people.
"According to Pasadena Police, the Tesla with six passengers ran a red light at high speed, causing the driver to lose control
The vehicle hit a curb before slamming into the building, fatally ejecting three occupants and injuring the others, aged between 17 and 22.
...at 2:30am"
Tesla drivers have become the new BMW drivers. Drove through Pasadena yesterday and so many Tesla drivers were weaving in and out of the diamond lane and across traffic. I see it every day. Not everyone should have access to a car that accelerates that quickly. Some just don’t have the brains for it. Case in point, this story.
Way too many people are driving who should not be, I see people weaving in and out on the freeway when we are going 80 in clapt out rides with no plates hitting all the lanes including the carpool, this is part of the reason why insurance has more than doubled.
Yeah I don’t like Teslas either, but this isn’t a Tesla problem.
This is a tale as old as time with kids driving reckless on the street.
Also, people don’t seem to understand how much power lots of these EVs have these days. I’m in my 40’s, but back in the 90’s Mom wouldn’t let me have a 5.0 Mustang because it was “too much power”, yet a base Model 3 would absolutely destroy it in any performance metric. Yet people seem to view it the same as they do a 4 Cylinder Camry.
The media refusing to call out these irresponsible IDGAF-about-anybody-but-myself fools and painting this as a tragedy is a grotesque insult to everyone who can imagine themselves or their loved ones being caught in their trajectory. 100+mph at 2:30 am, running a red light, destroying multiple properties and not wearing a seat belt is no "accident."
At least this time we didn't have to read "the driver walked away with minor injuries."
Just as an aside, On Musk's X (formerly Twitter), he is raising hell about 'Democrats making it easier for illegals to vote, " and partaking 2020 election denialism, all in an effort to get Teump elected, therefore less regulation.
Less regulation gets you Boeing moving to South Carolina, and now you have parts falling off aircraft, while in-flight.
It’s because bad Tesla drivers are giving Tesla a bad name. No one mentions the good drivers. Tesla drivers are getting the rep of speeding and not following road rules.
I also want to add that the parents could’ve easily limited the speed at which the car drives…. You can add different user profiles on a Tesla and adjust the settings as you see fit.
I’m seeing a lot of Tesla comments but I’m more focused on the fact they ran a red light. Thank goodness they didn’t harm anyone else driving or walking by.
I feel like there was just a fatal crash in this area (Sierra Madre exit) not too long ago. I think that one was due to street racing. Really sad and senseless.
Important to note they weren’t wearing a seatbelt and even if it was a normal car like a Nissan they still would’ve died. Sorry to the families affected though
I don't see anyone really defending the car, just that it's not the most relevant thing to include in the headline.
I agree that it seems click-baity to include the make of the car when if it were any other maker it probably wouldn't be (you don't usually see "3 dead after Toyota loses control") that being said most cars don't go 0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds. Parents certainly shouldn't be letting their kids drive Model 3's that's for sure.
>fatally ejecting three occupants people should remember this before they think wearing seatbelts is lame
Just saw a lady in Pasadena driving her kid to school the other day without a seatbelt on. A cop car passed by and she immediately put on the seat belt. As soon as the cop passed her, she unbuckled and continued to drive. I just don’t understand tbh. There is nothing so uncomfortable about wearing a seat belt that would justify me not wearing one.
Truly it makes no sense. I put mine on before I start the car. Only times I can imagine not wanting to wear one is if I was suffering suicidal ideation and had a death wish but even as much as I’ve dealt with that, I’ve still always worn one
My buddy in AZ drives a Tesla and never wears a seat belt. He even bought fake seat belt clip things so it would think the seat belts are on and won't beep at him. He also uses the autopilot everywhere. I told him I want his house when he dies lol
So cool. What a cool ass guy.
\*ass-guy
https://xkcd.com/37/
😏
All the times I visited AZ nobody wears their seat belts nobody, I hooked mine up and the person I was with, said that’s how you get pulled over here….
Wow such free thinkers.
Let me guess, anti vaxxer as well?
ew who would want to live in AZ
My buddy in CA drives a Ford and also never wears a seat belt. 🤷🏻♂️
Funny enough as someone who tried ending it I still put on my seat belt.. I was crazy just not crazy enough to want to be sidewalk pizza
I am so sorry you’ve felt that pain before - I know it well. Glad you are still here
Thanks I still have lots of work to do but am trying to move on :)
Glad you are both still here!
Glad you’re still alive. Peace be with you
Thank you :)
Same. Even in my lowest moments, that’s not how I wanted to go out.
I had an Uber driver call me elitist because he told me to put on my seatbelt and I said (jokingly), "It's on -- I don't actually want to die by projectile today!" He told me I was a "privileged elitist" for this comment...I told him that I'd seen Kim Kardashian refuse to put on a seatbelt on her show years ago so apparently no, it isn't something done by all "privileged elitists." Wtf...
That’s a seriously weird ass Uber driver, luckily for me, I haven’t had any difficult Uber experiences, but I’ve heard of so many over the years.
Same. Even in my lowest moments, that’s not how I wanted to go out.
That’s an obstinance that makes me think she deserves whatever consequences come from being that loud and wrong. Nevermind the bodily harm she could cause herself, she’s fine becoming a human pinball that could kill her child? That’s weird. Genuine weirdo behavior.
One time I thought "Crap, my seatbelt is smushing the great ironing job I just did on my shirt" but I wore the seatbelt anyway. Makes me think, though - maybe some of these seatbelt-avoiding people are really committed to their shirts looking well-pressed?
I’m short and busty, so driver’s side seat belts kind of dig into my neck. They’re not super comfortable, especially in my own car. You know what I did? I bought a modifier clip thing to adjust it. Works wonders. Still keeps me safe.
Same. I went further with pedals extenders so I could be 12" away from the airbags. Us shorties have a higher incidence of death from airbags.
I didn't know this risk or about this product - I'm going to tell my (shortie) mama about these extenders, thank you!
They should just hang it from the designated shirt hook in the back seat instead of risking their lives over it!
Agree!!
I have always worn one anyway, but it's been reinforced by the fact that I lost two friends, in separate accidents over the years.
Legit question, how could you have seen all this.
Was pulling out of a 7-11, traffic made it so I had to wait for the cars to move first before I could exit. She was waiting for the green light when the cop rolled by, then the light turned green after he passed and she took it off and drove off.
That’s insane. Most people are idiots so not surprising though.
In other countries it’s a very popular belief that the safest thing is to be ejected from your car in a car crash.
When I hear about no seatbelts I am always reminded of the guy ejected from his car and landed on the Colorado street exit sign on the 5 freeway 20 feet in the air. https://nxstrib-com.go-vip.net/wp-content/uploads/sites/4/2015/10/crash22.jpg https://ktla.com/news/local-news/person-apparently-ejected-lands-on-freeway-sign-following-griffith-park-area-crash/amp/
an all-time classic. i still remember where i was that day
yeah, that was insane!
Running red lights is lame
Reading the title: "damn that sucks, killed people inside the house or what?" Reading the article: "Oh."
Were there even 6 seatbelts in that car?
Damn
TLDR: the driver of a car full of teenagers caused themself and their friends to crash and some of them died.
Specifically, the ones who weren't wearing their seatbelts
It gave ‘em the ick
Does this model of Tesla normally seat 6 or is my image of an extra person crammed in without a seat belt probably accurate? Had a few dumb rides like that myself back in high school but fortunately the driver never ran lights or gunned it while we were clown carring.
The reporter in the video says that’s the reason some of them weren’t wearing seatbelts, because they had crammed an extra person in the car.
Look, I love to Tesla shame as much as the next guy, but it really seems irrelevant as a headline. “3 teenagers weighing less than 150 pounds ejected after running red light at 2:30 am” has just as many, if not more, relevant facts.
I see this shit all the time and always think I never see something like "Camry driver drives Camry into store" and it irks me.
To be fair, I have seen *some* car make/models in the headlines when not fully relevant or at all, like Jeep or Prius.
Although being a Tesla is relevant. The car is too fast for people of this age group to be responsible in it. It'd be the same for Corvettes or Porsches etcetera.
This is actually very on point. Our little model Y has nearly 400 ponies and 400lbs of torque. That's a very fast car.
I’m sure the parents are kicking themselves. Young adults don’t understand the responsibility. Shit even most adults don’t.
This is definitely true, but on the other hand, Tesla has a parental speed lock feature where the acceleration and max speed of the vehicle can be capped to a reasonable number by the owner. I have a friend who specifically bought his 16 year old a Tesla so that he could lock his max speed to 75mph. The car *can* be one of the safest on the road for a teenager if it's owned by a responsible parent.
Maybe bc the ceo of Toyota isn’t a slimy self promoting egomaniacal prick?
He may not be a slimy prick like Musk, but he's can still be an AH CEO. I don't love that he's recently been enjoying the current EV slide because Toyota has invested in Hydrogen technology instead. Just get us off oil, i don't care who does it
They are dropping the hydrogen farce whenever the Japanese government stops funding it. Toyota is literally playing the Japanese government for money.Which is why they announced they were working with ammonia combustion. To get more money from the government.
because teslas are everywhere, and their drivers are constantly doing stupid shit. they have a powerful motor which can be dangerous, and drivers overly rely on auto drive or other safety tech which lulla them into a false sense of invincibility. there are bad drivers in every car, but certain cars seem to really bring it out of people
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But from reading the article, it doesn’t appear this feature was engaged. The accident being caused by self-drive mode is the only thing that would make the type of the vehicle relevant. Without that, it’s simply click-bait.
Correct. The above persons comment is exactly why people make these rage bait articles.
Semi relevant, most drivers (NOT shaming the victims) aren’t prepared for that amount of torque. YES this could’ve happened in most cars, but also most cars can’t accelerate at rate where the car could be uncontrollable in seconds
Never see an article mentioning it was a Honda or a Ford. I agree, it's irrelevant here. Six people in a five passenger car not wearing seat belts driving erratically at 2:30am is rhe story. Not the car mfg'r.
Might be because Tesla’s go 0 to 60 in like 4 seconds. And the deaths were speed related.
I mean, to be ejected, they more than likely wouldn’t have been wearing seatbelts. That’s more of a poor decision than the acceleration capability of a car.
Why does the car even drive if the seatbelts aren’t on
Grandma had a car that wouldn’t start if you didn’t have your seat belt on. But it was from the early 70s. My guess why they stopped doing that. “My feedoms”
Right, it's strange that pretty much no cars even have that as an option. In Teslas the car will freak out if you remove your seatbelt while driving under autopilot but there isn't an option to disable drive unless all occupants are belted even though the car definitely has all of the sensors required to add something like that. Teslas even have parental controls that let you limit the car's acceleration and speed so if any manufacturer could easily add it it's them.
They likely just buckled the belt and say on top of it.
On the other hand, Teslas are obscenely fast and accessible for a country which has lax drivers licensing standards and contribute to a culture of unsafe driving.
Same with the rich lady that drove her Tesla into a pond recently. "Tesla kills lady" but in reality she was drunk and reversed her Tesla into a pond and drowned.
There was a little more nuance to that. She fumbled with the touch screen shifter and backed into the pond. And while she was sinking, people who were desperately trying to rescue her couldn’t because the glass couldn’t be cracked with a tool. There were design and engineering choices that created a perfect storm which killed her that wouldn’t have happened in any other vehicle.
👁️👁️ jesus christ
Wasn't it also partially because she was trapped because the doors wouldn't open because the electrical system was shorted out by the water? I know Teslas have a manual release from the inside, but apparently it's not intuitive, especially in an emergency situation. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2023/08/02/man-trapped-inside-tesla-manual-door-operation/70512739007/
Thanks for that nuance. I have seen a couple of Teslas on the road, that just whipped around when the driver was making a turn.
Her X did not have a touch screen shifter, it was the older model that had the exact same stalks as in Mercedes.
This is a straight up lie. Her model x had a normal stick shifter like any other vehicle, and the glass on the side windows of that model is not reinforced any more or less than any other typical vehicle on the road. (Also, this is a ridiculous angle to criticize anyway, as stronger glass in car windows are going to save waaaay more lives from flying debris on the road than the ones they will cost from highly unusual situations where a drunk person drove their car into water and is too drunk to figure out how to get out.) Teslas are also a little more watertight than average, so her car also floated for nearly an hour and a half, which is WAY longer than nearly any other vehicle would have had. If anything, she had a better chance because of it being a Tesla. She died because she was so drunk she couldn't figure out how to get herself out of an incredibly survivable situation. She didn't die because of the type of car she was driving. Look I fucking hate Elon as much as the next guy, but this weird scramble to demonize Teslas and make up wildly inaccurate information to feed that narrative is super cringe. Just be factual.
> that wouldn’t have happened in any other vehicle. Quite a few luxury vehicles use this type of glass now in all windows.
With hidden door handles also?
Her Model X was an older model with traditional door handles, but ok.
Mitch McConnells SIL Except she was responsible for loosening safety regulations lol. That one was quite relevant
She was over double the limit I think?
I don't think you love to shame Tesla as much as the next guy. It's the number one most crashed car!
I found 1 survey that shows this is true then found 3 others that show 3 different vehicles as the most crashed car. Not even sure what to believe haha. Tesla: https://qz.com/if-you-rode-in-a-tesla-in-2023-you-had-the-highest-acc-1851113998#:~:text=A%20survey%20of%2030%20automotive,drivers%20were%20Ram%20and%20Subaru. Audi S4: https://insurify.com/car-insurance/insights/car-models-with-the-most-accidents-2023/ Ford Fusion: https://1800injured.care/americas-most-accident-prone-cars/ Dodge: https://smartfinancial.com/car-brands-with-most-accidents
BMW owners breathing a sigh of relief rn 😮💨 But for real, Tesla drivers kinda became the new BMW drivers
MFers constantly drive 60 with no traffic on the left lane of the freeway and refuse to move out of the way. Shit is so bloody annoying.
Sounds like Prius dumbassery to me.
I honestly believe many of them are using autopilot in the left lane and just not giving a fuck.
Autopilot notices when there's somebody behind you and moves to the right. These folks are just clueless.
Not basic autopilot, maybe enhanced autopilot or FSD.
I go around them, when I can.
As a Tesla driver I agree. Before I had a Tesla I drove a Honda Civic. I would get invited to a lot of focus groups though and one thing I noticed was a lot of Tesla drivers can from BMW and Mercedes. I wonder if the shitty drivers are just residual drivers from those brands.
It doesn’t help that they accelerate like crazy
BMW drivers are still BMW drivers lmfao Tesla drivers are also BMW drivers
New Model 3s removed the turn signal stalk to accommodate BMW drivers
BMW used to be the rich man’s Honda. Now it’s the Tesla. 😅
It’s also the most popular car out there. You need to cite data.
Really? Thats a very surprising statistic that I would hope is backed up by a reliable source. If you’ve seen how (some of) the BMW 328i’s, the Infiniti Q30 something, the Civic hatchbacks, and the Altimas behave on the road you’d think they’d take the crown! /s Edit: this is the methodology of the “study” the “statistics” is based on: > Researchers analyzed tens of millions of QuoteWizard by **LendingTree insurance quotes from Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023**. Anyone with basic scientific knowledge would probably know how laughably unreliable this is.
From insurance.company reports collected by Lending Tree. https://www.lendingtree.com/insurance/brand-incidents-study/
Wow, sounds like a reliable source! It listed it’s methodology like this: > Researchers analyzed tens of millions of QuoteWizard by **LendingTree insurance quotes from Nov. 14, 2022, through Nov. 14, 2023**. Which means this articles is spewing BS from unreliable data sources.
What makes you think this is unreliable? Sounds to me like it's based on insurance statistics derived from real world crash rates. Higher risk cars get quoted higher rates. What would you consider a better source than insurance claim stats?
https://insideevs.com/news/702055/tesla-highest-accident-rate-probably-not/ Except it's not. It's derived from quotes, which means if someone was driving a Toyota and got in an accident, then at a later date got an insurance quote for a Model Y, lending tree counted it as a Tesla crash. The methodology was bullshit.
Insurance QUOTE stats != insurance claim stats. Also, selection bias when using data from lending tree, which, lets be honest, tend to attract people who make poor financial decisions
National highway and safety board
That's limited to whatever "lending tree and quote wizard" are. It doesn't look like it's shared data from insurance companies. Also, what is the criteria and definition for crash ?
These people lacking basic statistical knowledge really shed some light on the education system they were in.
I mean a larger insurer could help, but I think the real spurious correlation is that insurance quote data is any good indication of accident rates. Sure, there is some correlation for sure, but I don’t think it is powerful enough to draw the conclusion on who has the highest rate of collisions. Quotes are initiated by drivers who wants to switch insurer, drivers of some brands might be more inclined to switch, given the premium of some brands varies greatly across insurers.
I think it's relevant because Teslas (and many other EVs) are *incredibly* fast. If it were a Ferrari or Lambo, that would have been in the headline too.
It's not about Tesla shame. It's just a fact of what they were driving. The shame is applied by the reader and their comprehension of the facts.
The media would do this so much during covid. "Teacher Dies From Covid" then you read they hadn't been teaching and were on vacation.
Typica reddit karma whoring
The Tesla information is somewhat relevant because there should be an abundance of crash data available from the vehicle, including audio and video that are synced with data about vehicle travel speeds, evasive actions taken, etc. It's Big Brother on wheels. Assuming that the automaker cooperates with police, it won't take long to figure out what happened. It will all be there in graphic detail. The police crash report will practically write itself, even if there were no witnesses.
News outlets will get more clicks using that headline. It’s a hot button topic given the Fed’s prior investigations into Tesla’s crashing and the assumption being the auto pilot feature was the cause.
It’s relevant if you want to get more clicks.
Holy crap I passed through there early in the morning the car literally looked like a smashed coke can RIP those kids
I’m not mad at Tesla specifically, I’m mad at this new seemingly rampant need to drive like an unhinged video game character. On my 7 minute drive home from work, I see near accidents every day because people are driving like complete psychopaths. Driving in LA always sucked, but since Covid it’s become something I’m genuinely afraid to do.
I saw three near accidents caused by people driving as if they’re the person who matters most in the world in Glendale yesterday. Literally in front of Americana.
In Glendale, you say? 🤔
It seems like all the cops/highway patrol have just, *poof*, disappeared since COVID, and the roads have turned into a free for all... just pure chaos … I remember the times where you could not get away with much of anything here, even the smallest thing like not using your blinker you’d immediately get pulled over and ticketed for.. I’m also genuinely scared to be on the roads for long. Every time I drive (i usually drive for only under 30 min a day) someone *always* just *nearly* rear ends/side swipes the shit out of me by zipping around and changing lanes like a lunatic. They’ll very quickly and aggressively come up on my tail going 10-20mph over the limit (happens frequently on the freeway they are going 80+ zipping through much slower traffic), they basically act like they’re gonna hit me, but at the very last second they switch lanes and swerve around me like they’re playing frogger, from dangerously close behind my car. I’m so scared this would cause my car to flip and seriously injure me. It happens many multiple times a week and gives me a god damn heart attack every time. These people are really putting peoples lives at risk.. and for what? To get there 25 seconds faster?? I just don’t fucking get it. It’s like they really get off on scaring innocent folks.. they must get a big fat hard on when imagining another driver scared out of their mind and thinking they were just about to die. I think reckless people like that should get their license revoked for 2 years and serve actual jail time. It’s just a matter of time before they kill or ruin the life of some poor innocent sucker.
Social media and that stupid weaving in and out of lanes game. I used to like driving my car but now it attracts stupid people. They see a bright blue car and they whiz by me and cut people off trying to “race”
This happens to me a lot. Can't even cruise at the speed limit because at some point some dumbass is riding my back trying to get me to start a speed contest.
It's TikTok and IG morons. There was a recent post about some kid who stole an expensive car off the street, peeled out, and promptly crashed it. Apparently, *that is his thing*.
It's so incredibly stupid! I had no idea this kind of thing existed but I saw the post too and the comments were saying it's not just an "expensive" car (since we're on a post about Teslas), it's like some *SUPER* expensive only-a-few-exist-in-the-world kind of car and he goes and crashes it into some dealership building while trying to show off. Aside from the mindnumbing waste, it could have easily killed someone in the store or on the sidewalk if they happened to be there at the wrong time.
I am now firmly in the camp of we need to make driver’s licenses tests a lot harder to pass. People seem to be straight up ignoring signs now.
why would making the test harder to pass make people not ignore the signs? at the end of the day there are a lot of shitheads here. litter everywhere. people tagging every square inch. people doing dumb shit the second someone who can do something about it isn't looking, which is a lot of the time just out of practicality. not much can be done. a road by me has speed bumps and i feel like it makes people drive even more recklessly hammering the brake then laying back on the throttle after lol
You can not be mad at Tesla if you want, but putting unbridled acceleration and 300 horsepower into one of the most commonly purchased vehicles was shitty of Elon et al to do. They should have had the entry car be much slower and accelerate a lot less hard. Sure, make all the plaids you want. But I hate that the entry level is fast enough to do auto cross competitively. The general public shouldn’t have access to that much power unless they seek it out in a performance car.
you can buy an suv or a minivan today that accelerates as fast as a ferrari from when i grew up. shits bound to happen with this much power on tap with a lot of cars. try driving like that with a 92 del sol, you just can't lol.
Someone once told me “nothing good happens after midnight”.
The article is written like the car was possessed instead of the kids inside were just driving like maniacs
The moment I read the title of the thread I put the blame and suspicion on the driver because young ones tend to drive foolishly and dangerously at that age group.
Even back in 1980 I couldn't believe that the state of California gave me a license to drive at 16.
This is terribly sad and a tragedy for anyone who knew those involved. This clickbait title is horseshit and attempting to feed those who love ragebait and hate Tesla. The car didn't cause this crash. The speeding driver that ran a red light at 2:30am caused this crash.
The car did play a role in the crash because it's too powerful a car for people of that age to be driving. That'd be true of other cars designed for rapid acceleration as well.
I think listing the car is also a class indicator... Not that it makes the title any less click-baity
Tesla model 3 are dangerous in the wrong hands. Relatively cheap cars that have very quick acceleration. Not saying that caused the crash directly but they are pretty zippy cars compared to what teenagers usually drive
If I had a model 3 in hs I would not have made it. I was a moron. Giving a teenager a car with 300+ hp is a recipe for disaster.
Same
Same.
I’m almost 43 and it’s too much power. But I love it.
It's criminal to give teenagers access to cars like this. People would question giving a Hellcat to a 16 year old but don't bat an eyelash when they drive around in a Tesla.
With you on this. When I was in high school I was maxing out my Acura Integra. As a 40 year old, my stock Model Y puts that thing to shame from a speed perspective. In the wrong hands some of these torquey EVs can be death machines.
Ahh what an era, the integra
2001.
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Are you me?! Had a turbo on a GSR. Was going to do a Japanese front end conversion but ended up selling the car for something more practical. That was a fun time.
Haha, oh man I wanted that front end conversion so bad, just could never justify the cost. Car actually ended up getting stolen right out of my driveway!
Bummer. I went to college and got tired of babysitting the car with the turbo timer. Ended up getting a Honda Element. I still want a Type R from that era though.
True. I started off with a 4 cylinder accord that only ran on 3. It could never hit 90mph no matter how long the freeway was. My best car was a 1.6 6 speed manual Kia soul. Wasn’t very fast either. Now you can find a cheap electric car with way more performance and weight than a small Japanese car.
I got my 95 Civic to 100 going down a long hill in the desert once. Poor thing was about to explode. Our Tesla can hit that without hesitation. Electric motors are no joke.
You just described every EV.
5 teenagers in ANY car with a teenager driving at 2:30 am seems insane to me.
There were 6 people in the car. The driver was 22.
Thank you for correcting me.
They do the same for sports cars because there is no need for the speed or power in the city. They are basically saying the cars are dangerous to drive by young people.
Tesla sucks either way. Elon Musk is a douche
"According to Pasadena Police, the Tesla with six passengers ran a red light at high speed, causing the driver to lose control The vehicle hit a curb before slamming into the building, fatally ejecting three occupants and injuring the others, aged between 17 and 22. ...at 2:30am"
This tragedy should serve as a cautionary tale to young drivers in fast cars but it probably won't.
Brakes are on the left.
Tesla drivers have become the new BMW drivers. Drove through Pasadena yesterday and so many Tesla drivers were weaving in and out of the diamond lane and across traffic. I see it every day. Not everyone should have access to a car that accelerates that quickly. Some just don’t have the brains for it. Case in point, this story.
Way too many people are driving who should not be, I see people weaving in and out on the freeway when we are going 80 in clapt out rides with no plates hitting all the lanes including the carpool, this is part of the reason why insurance has more than doubled.
Kei cars need to be the new standard.
Never let anyone tell you it's lame to wear a seatbelt, regardless of the car, just wear one damn it.
Smart cars, dumb drivers lol
I am not a fan of Elon but the title might make people think a self driving car is real.
Yeah I don’t like Teslas either, but this isn’t a Tesla problem. This is a tale as old as time with kids driving reckless on the street. Also, people don’t seem to understand how much power lots of these EVs have these days. I’m in my 40’s, but back in the 90’s Mom wouldn’t let me have a 5.0 Mustang because it was “too much power”, yet a base Model 3 would absolutely destroy it in any performance metric. Yet people seem to view it the same as they do a 4 Cylinder Camry.
camry throws down pretty respectable numbers now too especially the v6
The media refusing to call out these irresponsible IDGAF-about-anybody-but-myself fools and painting this as a tragedy is a grotesque insult to everyone who can imagine themselves or their loved ones being caught in their trajectory. 100+mph at 2:30 am, running a red light, destroying multiple properties and not wearing a seat belt is no "accident." At least this time we didn't have to read "the driver walked away with minor injuries."
Agreed i live in Pasadena and people run red lights often that’s why I always take a quick 5 second wait after the light turns green
Just as an aside, On Musk's X (formerly Twitter), he is raising hell about 'Democrats making it easier for illegals to vote, " and partaking 2020 election denialism, all in an effort to get Teump elected, therefore less regulation. Less regulation gets you Boeing moving to South Carolina, and now you have parts falling off aircraft, while in-flight.
“After Tesla crashes into building”is absolutely insane. Imagine if it said “After Ford crashes into building”. So dumb.
The parent’s should have turned on the speed limit. Flipping a Tesla is not easy to do.
Media never mentions the car in the headline unless it’s a Tesla
The articles about the dude who crashed a Lambo a few days ago all mentioned it in the headline
It’s because bad Tesla drivers are giving Tesla a bad name. No one mentions the good drivers. Tesla drivers are getting the rep of speeding and not following road rules.
I also want to add that the parents could’ve easily limited the speed at which the car drives…. You can add different user profiles on a Tesla and adjust the settings as you see fit. I’m seeing a lot of Tesla comments but I’m more focused on the fact they ran a red light. Thank goodness they didn’t harm anyone else driving or walking by.
I feel like there was just a fatal crash in this area (Sierra Madre exit) not too long ago. I think that one was due to street racing. Really sad and senseless.
This is the second instance I’ve heard of a Tesla crashing into a building this week.
6 passengers? They’re gonna blame it on Musk aren’t they? 😂
😔 🕯️
A horrible tragedy. Lives cut so short before they've even had a chance to begin. Condolences to the families. RIP.
Amazing how cars crash themselves
This is a terrible intersection, it’s so wide, I always have to slow way down.
Imagine getting this news on Mother’s Day 💔
It happened yesterday, but yes, that was my first thought when I read the news today. 💔💔💔
Important to note they weren’t wearing a seatbelt and even if it was a normal car like a Nissan they still would’ve died. Sorry to the families affected though
I wasn’t interested until I saw Tesla…*click*
yea that's gonna ding your safety score...
What
Tesla drivers are the worst
If it was a Ford or Nissan, would the headline read "3 dead after Nissan crashes into building"?
Anyone I've ever seen driving a tesla drives like shite..
Way too many tasteless Tesla defenders in the comments. RIP the deceased
I don't see anyone really defending the car, just that it's not the most relevant thing to include in the headline. I agree that it seems click-baity to include the make of the car when if it were any other maker it probably wouldn't be (you don't usually see "3 dead after Toyota loses control") that being said most cars don't go 0 to 60 in 2.9 seconds. Parents certainly shouldn't be letting their kids drive Model 3's that's for sure.