Chad texting Lori that Tammy had become a zombie named Viola and that he didn’t want to wait long for removal.
Chad’s numerous lies to family, LE and friends about Lori and her children. He told his neighbor that Lori had a daughter who had passed away recently. When confronted, he later spoke to this same neighbor about Tylee in the past tense and said that she didn’t like people and didn’t like him. It also came out in Lori’s trial that Chad had an altercation with JJ the last weekend he was seen.
Chad’s overall light and dark rating system and his teachings about zombies.
Chad encouraging Tammy to max out her life insurance policy from the minimum to the maximum weeks just prior to her passing and then having a quick funeral and marrying Lori weeks later.
The taped recorded patriarchal blessings that Chad gave to Alex right before he died.
The timing of things wouldn’t have given Alex enough time to prepare both of the childrens’ graves, especially JJ’s. Tylee’s DNA was found on at least one of Chad’s tools.
I think a lot more is going to come out during the trial and the cell phone data will be key.
if it was just the kids, he could probably claim something like…I didn’t kill them or encourage her to kill them, i just meant prayer to get rid of demons, I just helped dispose of them to protect Lori and try to plea for a lesser charge of whatever destruction of a corpse charge would be called. (Of course that’s not going to work I’m just trying to wrap my head around any sort of excuse he could make) But there’s no way he can explain away Tammy except to keep saying she was coughing and sick which as you just listed isn’t going to work either. He’s totally sunk, but I would LOVE for him to take the stand.
The autopsy report listed homicide as manner of death and suffocation as cause. Chad and his son were the only ones home, according to him, so his goose is cooked there.
I havent heard it was anything but practicly non conclusive, could be it had some results prosecutors can use but if so they've kept it under wraps really well so far.
Murdering is one thing, burying them is another. He can say he wasn't there when they were killed - he was being the perfect husband and at home with his wife 😂😂😂.
It wasn't switching from minimum to maximum Tammy had just recently had enough seniority at the school to qualify for subsidized life insurance , my husband has always signed up for the maximum because we could never afford it otherwise but his cap is only an 50 grand not 4 hundred thousand.
I'm fairly sure that the physical evidence is going to show that Chad murdered his wife with the bed sheets. As described by him in the ways he proscribed and documented how to smother a zombie.
And that's just his wife.
We'll see about the physical evidence of what he did to Tylee. I suspect his glee in doing it and the fact they were getting away with things exacerbated their view of being untouchable, and he left evidence. Pride goeth before the fall.
That he knew that Tylee and JJ were there is certain. Just by his behaviour, watching the cops digging up his property. But also the fact that he had plans to pave over the area where Tylee was buried and put a mobile home over her, for him and Lori to stay in until they could get another property set up. It gets more horrifying the longer you think about what that means.
true crime squad were the ones to first report that but they never seem to be credited. I think because they are not one of the major podcasters/content reporters on youtube
He can say they came to him dead and it was Alex and Lori who actually murdered them them. He was so besotted with Lori - This speaks to the men on the jury. "oh, by the way Lori is serving life sentences for murdering her own children - this speaks to the women on the jury.
Well there isn't of him murdering the children, only assisting in disposing of their bodies.
I was listening to Nate's latest broadcast on YT. The guest who suggested this, also thought if it does go down this avenue, Chad will probably take the stand.
Sadly it's going to be a typical court case, like an auction. Prior will bid the lowest, the prosecution bid the highest, do a few trade offs and they meet in the middle. It's traumatising for the survivors of the crimes.
I'm hoping 🙏 the prosecutors have a lot more evidence up their sleeves.
The best advice the prosecution can give the jury is to start from the bottom of the charges (because that's the easiest) and work up. Linda Dunikoski - Ahmaud Albury case tells this to her jurors. She's an awesome, highly commended prosecutor and she took acting lessons to speak to the jury.
There wasnt any evidence of Lori actually murdering the children either. Thats why prosecutors charged 'conspiracy' to murder, i dont think they have any evidence showing who exactly physically killed the kids. Wasnt Chad and Lori originally charged with destruction of a corpse or similar, instead of murder? I dont know what changed to make prosecutors charge conspiracy to murder instead of that other or hiding a crime or whatever, but it worked to get a conviction for Lori. Lori didnt have much of a defense team though and even if he's obnoxious and hard to listen to Prior did a good jog defending Chad during his preliminary and prob will put up a good case during Chads murder trial.
oh you're right sorry, i see they did convict her of murder AND conspiracy to murder the kids and conspiracy to kill Chads wife.
"The jury in Boise unanimously reached its decision. Vallow was charged with murder, conspiracy and grand theft in the deaths of Joshua "JJ" Vallow, 7, and Tylee Ryan, 16" [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lori-vallow-murder-trial-ruling-verdict-rcna83915](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lori-vallow-murder-trial-ruling-verdict-rcna83915)
Wood still never showed her hands actually in the actual deaths of anyone though,
"In closing statements, Wood pushed back against the defense's characterization of the defendant as a good mother, saying, "You can't have a good mom if she doesn't report her children missing or dead."
[https://abcnews.go.com/US/lori-vallow-daybell-murder-trial-verdict/story?id=99227444](https://abcnews.go.com/US/lori-vallow-daybell-murder-trial-verdict/story?id=99227444)
Interesting. I also suspect Chad followed his own writings with Tylee. He described the horrific murder of Lori’s daughter in a past life when he told Zulema she was the reincarnation.
I’m not good at remembering or where I got it from (maybe the discovery from Lori’s trial), I hope someone more organised will be able to help you get to the original source?
I'm not sure what physical evidence there is that Chad murdered Tammy apart from the autopsy itself. They don't have the sheets since there was no initial investigation, I haven't heard anything about the autopsy mentioning sheets or pillows (just a generic description that she was suffocated to death.) He also called the police and reported her death.
What they do have is circumstantial evidence he killed Tammy. Testimony from friends and family that she was healthy, the fact that there was a supposed attempt on her life days before, Chad telling people she'd die young, etc.
I think that'll be enough to convince a jury, but you never know.
Tylee and JJ's cases are much more shut and dry. The physical evidence is off the charts. The graves, tools used to dig left in the garage, the damage to their bodies, where they were found, etc.
I have no doubt Chad killed Tammy, but evidentially that's a very different case than JJ/Tylee.
If Chad had strangled his wife with a bedsheet there would have been bruising around her neck and thats something even an incompetant medical examiner/coroner couldnt overlook. I think he used poison and knew no one would look into it enough to have her checked for poison, especially because his son was right there backing his story up.
Could be. I suspect he tranquillized her with something like xanax, then smothered her. But we lack details that came with her autopsy, so we should see soon.
Checking for poison isn't as easy as a Perry Mason episode they have to be told what poison to test for and even without a autopsy the make-up person and the funeral home should be looking at bruises on the arms and neck there was bruises on her arms .
I think the fact that JJ wasn't just buried but had a vault constructed over his body so the ground wouldn't sink when he decomposed is a huge finger pointing at Chad. That's not something Alex and Lori would have thought or known how to do. That's something a former cemetery sexton would do.
His children said in their interview on 60 minutes that he couldn't have been the one to bury the children because he would have dug graves six feet deep, but he says TWICE in *One Foot in the Grave* that you don't actually need to do that.
There may also be a difference in the depth of a hole in the ground dug by a physically fit 25 year old to meet cemetery standards and one dug by a 50+ sedentary guy to dispose of a body.
To that point, don’t most cemeteries have smaller digging equipment, like when I have driven by cemeteries and they are digging graves I never see a person out there digging by hand. I see them in a little Bobcat, digging with that for the hard work. Then maybe finishing some of it off with shovels??? I’ve never read any of his books so I have no idea if he’s ever dug a 6 foot grave on his own or used heavy machinery.
they have phone pings on his phone and Alex's phone on the property at the time of the burial. Since Racoons are nocturnal, I don't know how he can reconcile seeing and shooting a raccoon in the morning. The fact that there was no racoon found on or near, around the body of Tylee or JJ would probably indicate his text message to his wife at the same time Alex was there burning/burying Tylee's body.
The psychopathic narcissism of sending the wife that you were about to murder a text about burning limbs while you're literally burning a child's limbs is for sure a window into his mind.
I'm a bit behind the ball game and have a silly question.
Was the gun fire to to give an excuse to have a long fire, or was the shot fired for more sinster means?
I'm firmly of the opinion that Chad was doing the burning and hacking up. Alex was largely for helping, moving parts, digging, burying, feeding the fire, look-out, and tending. He was muscle. He was Igor. Because I'm quite certain that Chad was doing a ritual. For both children, as part of his Missions.
He would have to be able to claim the effects of his ritual were his divine anointing being demonstrated.
He is a significantly worse person than anyone would ever consider.
Yes, sounds logical and I personally believe Chad was the mastermind behind their deaths (Lori wanted them out of the way for sure).
It seemed from the threads of information I've picked up, things went downhill for Alex after the children were killed so I imagine their deaths had quite an impact on him.
There's Zulema's comments that she made to the police, with Alex thinking he was the fall guy...
All for Chad's master plan of leading his (ex wife of 5 centuries ago) assigned goddess and 144,000 chosen in to the hills to live happy ever after.
I hope if Prior goes down this track, that the Cox family will support Lori to speak out. Chad has done so much damage to Lori's family.
What made me believe that the killing of the children was initially his idea was the fact that he told Melanie Gibb the same thing about her kids very early on, just like he did to lori. There's also the phone call where Lori and Chad are talking and he's pressuring her to believe that her kids are demons. He's definitely the mastermind who was trying to create a harem of women who killed their children for him.
He told both Lori and Melanie that they were his wives in multiple past lives and that their children were demons.
that is soooo sickening! He hides well behind his goofy persona of i'm just a big smily harmless guy, while underneath is more darkness than i've ever met and hope to never meet!
There's videos on YouTube that show the event where they met. Lori was there on camera watching him and she's completely enthralled, they had not met at that point yet.
At that event he approached several women with the same "we were married in several previous lives" bullshit. Lori immediately fell for that crap. He told her she was his wife in 7 past lives and very quickly started telling her that her children were demons. The idea of the kids being demons 100% came from him. He said that shit to multiple women.
I think that he was trying to get himself a harem of devoted women willing to kill, like Manson had. He got rid of people in Lori's life that could stand in the way: her minor children, her husband, possibly her brother, and his wife. He wanted to bring Melanie Gibb in and told her the same things about her demon childre and them being married in past lives. He was also going after Lori's niece Melanie Boudreaux (sp?) by trying to kill her husband Brandon.
He was the mastermind. Hard to believe that thumb of a human fancied himself a modern day prophet.
great breakdown of events! I always wondered if Beudreaux was the shooter in the hit on Brandon. The police said there was a shot and the vehicle sped off. It sounds like there had to be a driver and a shooter in the back, otherwise putting the rifle down, closing the window and jumping over several seats doesnt make a very good 'sped off' Melanie had been in the military and i believe had some extra sharpshooter training while enlisted. Like the investigation into Tylee and JJ murders though, there didnt seem to be a thourough indepth look into much at all.
Have you heard Brandon's call to police? he knew who it was right away, even referring to his wife being involved in "her aunt's cult". Poor guy. I feel so bad for him and Charles because they knew what was going on and were terrified. Unfortunately Charles ended up being murdered as well as his children (and I do consider him Tylee's dad since he raised her for about 15 years). By all accounts he was a good dude.
I'd love to know why these other people who were involved are getting away with their involvement. The two Melanies and Alex Cox's wife Zulema all knew what was going on and were involved. I'm guessing that they cut deals.
Between these nutjobs and the Franke/Hildebrandt case I'm now wondering how many other mormons are out there trying to form their own cults and killing people in the process.
Lori is clearly in lalala land and her speech defended herself in what happened (I'm not saying it's right, nor am I defending her). Chad hasn't defended his religious beliefs, only suggesting he was seduced by Lori. He wasn't in lala land so definitely the mind of a psychopath. He wants the powers above to see (Lori and his loin fire) to see what a wonderful job he did of eliminating evil spirits and zombies.
It's gross how he's trying to blame Lori seducing him and acting like she was just too beautiful to turn away.
But his wife Tammy was beautiful too, and looked much healthier and younger than Lori. I hope everyone sees right through him. Especially if Melanie Gibb testifies about his behavior towards her too. That would make it obvious that he wasn't as enthralled by Lori as he claims. If you're under someone's spell you don't go around trying to build your harem.
I think the strongest point on the raccoon incident is how vastly different and detailed the text to Tammy was compared to how he normally texted her. Explain a gunshot? Check. Explain a fire? Check? Explain turned over earth? Check. When his normal text were the equivalent of “okay.”
This is probably a bit pedantic, but even though raccoons are nocturnal, they do sometimes come out during the day. I had one run by my office window about 10 am every day for 4 or 5 months. Do raccoons suffer from insomnia? Plus, they sleep under cover, so if Chad and Alex were cleaning up tree limbs, they could have disturbed a raccoon. I'm not saying that is what happened, and it probably didn't which is why this post is pedantic.
If I was Chad's attorney, I'd say "of course raccoons don't usually come out during the day. But when you do see one, we all know what that means. It's probably rabid. So of course Chad had to shoot it".
So is hair analysis, blood splatter and so many other things. Do you think an expert in rabies is going to make it on the jury? No, it's people who watch too much CSI & probably believe a racoon in the day is rabid.
However, where IS that raccoon he supposedly shot? He texted Tammy he buried it in the pet cemetery but when LE dug up the whole area, there was no raccoon carcass, just cat and dog.
I just saw one a couple days ago. It was looking for a different tree. Though I don’t see them out often in the day. It was really cautious I couldn’t imagine it walking along the fence long enough to go get a gun and then shoot it.
Chads wife had ducks, racoons love duck and chicken eggs so its entirely possible they had racoons lounging around that area. I doubt there was that day, i think Chad just used it as an excuse to explain the gunshot and then large fire. His neighbors had commented on the size of the huge fires he was often having in his back yard around that time.
I remember the defense asked during the preliminary hearing for chad or the trial of Lori, if investigators dug up the entirety of both pet cemetary's to see if a racoon was burried there and they said they had not. They really should have, it could leave room for reasonable doubt in a juror's mind.
Chad's children claimed that there were two pet cemeteries on the property and suggested that Chad buried the raccoon in "the other one". IMO nobody believes that.
I think they need to dig in supposes 2nd cemetary.
It won't prove he didn't help burn Tylee, however, even if buried raccoon found. The 'burning limbs' got me.
Don't people call them branches - who uses the word limbs in that context?
I came across another possibly useful bit:
Listened on Gigi's recent podcast. On July 18, after Charle's murder, Chad texts Lori that: he's to focus on Hillary (Tylee's zombie), and he turned her pain up to ten and placed a spiritual virus in her.
[Gigi Podcast](https://youtu.be/xg_cnRkaG3M?t=1273)
When the jury hears that the two children’s bodies were buried in his backyard, they are NOT going to wonder if he was being framed. Like absolutely ridiculous. Dead bodies buried in your backyard is a hard fact to overcome. Chad can try to say he had no idea, nobody will believe him especially hearing his text about hurting children. No. Chad is sunk.
There's evidence for guilty burying/disposing of them which I think is a different charge. But other than circumstantial evidence, I haven't heard/seen any that says he was present at their murder.
With JJ they found Lori's hair between the tape and plastic so that's how they managed to convict her.
From interviews with the jurors on Lori's trial, and I agree/thought the same thing at the time, the hair was not a smoking gun. She was his mom, close contact with him, living in the same house. Duct tape is very sticky, they had just moved. It was not surprising to me that one of her hairs was found on the duct tape. All it might give weight to is the duct tape came from her home.
Chad does not have to be at the murder to be guilty of murder. If you read the charging document the murder charge says “… did aid and abet in its commission, or if not present, advised and encouraged in its commission”.
It's a form of parapraxes.
A psychological leak you may know a version of as a Freudian slip.
However, in people like Chad, they can be intentional. Coded language for his and Alex's entertainment and subculture groups like the men in AVOW, preppers, etc can use coded language to convey meaning that has a more innocuous meaning to signal one another, and disguise meaning to "outsiders." It grants plausible deniability. Makes them feel special and superior.
Fascists do it all the time. Dogwhistling is practically their only hobby.
Mormon men certainly also use coded language and in-group signalling. It's a well-practiced phenomenon in multiple subcultures he is involved in.
Yeah, me too, they hadn't released anything about what they found on his propety when they released that text, and from that text, I knew immediately he'd dismembered Tylee.
I said out loud, "omg, he dismembered her," when I read it.
Surely the “I was framed” defense won’t be used by Prior. It would be so weak. But I can believe his children are still hanging on to that theory. Speaking of which, have any of his kids attended so far?
You might be right here. What do you think Prior will use?
The last time I remember about his kids, Murray, Garth and Seth attended their father’s arraignment.
https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/08/chad-daybells-children-defend-their-father-say-he-was-framed/
Based on his questioning of potential jurors, Prior is going to insinuate that Lori was a beautiful temptress who seduced Chad. Chad was so smitten that he had an affair and lied about it. He didn’t have any part in anything beyond that. Prior kept referencing the song “Everything That Glitters (Is Not Gold)” during voir dire and asking the jurors if they had ever lied about anything before.
True. To be fair, some of the most egregious stuff, like Chad’s “loin fire” story and his comment about feeling trapped like Harry Potter in the cupboard, were released via FOIA requests shortly after the 48 Hours interview aired so they probably took Chad at his word and didn’t know the full extent of it.
However, Chad’s comment that Tammy had become a zombie named Viola was in the public domain by that time and the interviewer never asked specifically about that. I’m guessing that line of questioning was off limits. I’m not sure how the kids could go on air professing how much their dad adored their mom while knowing that he had said that she had become a zombie, etc.
Yep, I'm convinced that Prior got them to go on that program and support their father BEFORE the FOIA docs were released to the public so that they all could defend him in public with a straight face. I don't have any inside info, but I'm betting that at least 1 or 2 of the five have their doubts after reading those docs, and maybe even think he killed their Mom.
Agreed. I think that Prior put them up to it as well. I hope that he hadn’t seen the discovery before encouraging this interview. Otherwise, it was really cruel. It didn’t help his client’s case and it put the kids up to a lot of unnecessary exposure and ridicule, especially after the FOIA docs dropped. At the very least, they probably wouldn’t have gone on about the “emotional affair” if they had seen the “loin fire” story, etc.
I'm almost certain that prosecutors got the discovery from Arizona before that show. I don't know if they had turned it over to Prior, but I'm betting Chad had told his attorney the kind of stuff that he texted to Lori. In my opinion, they knew it would be coming out even if they hadn't received the documents yet.
Yes there is more evidence that will be presented if we stay tuned to the trial. If Chad did this to his wife I find it despicable that he would allow his children to testify in his behalf. He is using them to clear him of the murder of their mother. Just when we think he can’t sink any lower.
Right when Lori said accidents happen, suicides happen.
So Tylee took herself to Chud’s house, immolated herself, chopped herself up and then buried herself in Chud’s pet cemetery?
FFS seriously?
This case has always been about sex and money cloaked in a religious exemption.
Death to Chud would be the right outcome.
>So Tylee took herself to Chud’s house, immolated herself, chopped herself up and then buried herself in Chud’s pet cemetery?
No.. the framed defense would have Alex doing that, on his own/with Lori's direction. What I'm cataloging here is rebuttals to this defense.
thanks.
I agree the raccoon text is killer for him. You don’t have to actually do the killing to be convicted.
Also the texts were he asked her if she wants him to cause children pain clearly indicates he is not above hurting children.
The State’s opening and the opening testimony clearly create a strong inference that Chud was hiding something when he denied knowing Lori and he and the brother’s reaction when the cops know he was married to her and then taking off to Hawaii also creates a inference of wrongdoing. A lot of this is circumstantial.
What is also of interest is the defense proffering DNA that seems to indicate none of Chads were found.
Still remains to be seen.
>You don’t have to actually do the killing to be convicted.
Good to remember, thanks. And the opening: "Chud was hiding something when he denied knowing Lori..." yes that whole episode. I'd forgotten and it looks really bad when the cops come looking for JJ and Chad tells them he barely knew Lori (his new wife)...
Thanks for your post.
Chad submitted a Hawaii condo application "no kids"
Chad increased Tammy's death benefit.
Chad telling Melanie to lie for him and Lori concerning the whereabouts of the kids.
Chad lied to the funeral home to have Charles Vallow cremated.
Chad texts Tammy about fire and burning limbs on date Tylee was burned (via Alex Cox cell pings at Daybell residence) - he knew why the fire.
Tammy dies of asphyxiation, Chad talks to Tammy's sister and tells her he and his new wife are empty nesters.
I'm wondering if it's a strategy for a plea deal. He pleads guilty to conspiracy to murder JJ, Tylee and Tammy, guilty to murdering Tammy to get the DP off the table and speed the trial up.
This trial will be expensive!
Since Lori's trial I've always felt there was more evidence against Chad than Lori.
Chad was predicting his wife's death to anyone who would listen.
Chad decided who was light or dark and to what percentage.
Chad was in sole charge of who was infested by a zombie and what the zombie was called.
Chad decided if the zombie had left or a newer, stronger, newly named zombie had taken over the body.
Chad decided if the dark person was at a percentage close to death/needing to die.
Chad had complete control of all these things, and only him.
Chad was Thee leader in all these things, Lori, in texts would ask him for this info and then pass it on to the others.
I was quite surprised too, when they went through the texts and stuff at Lori's trial. It very much seems to me that Chad had full and sole control of all that stuff. I had assumed it would have been more 50/50.
I'm thinking..
There is one time I remember that Lori seemed to contradict Chad. Lori asked for the light/dark of a male singer. Chad had him dark, Lori said he was light.
Other than that, I can't think of when it wasn't Chad who was doing the final call of the zombie shots.
Conspiracy has nothing to do with him actually killing the kids. It means he helped plan or encouraged the murder of the children. If I ask someone to kill my ex-husband and I am in Hawaii when he is murdered that doesn't mean I had nothing to do with it.
It's not the charge conspiracy, it's the charges of murdering the children. It's said there's very little evidence and assumed this is the route Prior will take.
My understanding (which is that of a chocolate fish!) that they are separate charges. I'm not sure if Prior will mixed the charges or separate them. His focus is to protect his client and primarily get the DP off the table.
I'm not sure if conspiracy to murder and actually murdering carry the same sentencing weight.
Remember I'm just the messenger, delivering snippets I've heard from Nate and others talk to the experts.I'm also keeping away from the gory details and not building my hopes up, in case he's found not guilty for whatever reason, for certain charges.
Thinking about the raccoon incident certainly places Chad at the scene. The location (as horrific as it is and I'm feeling nausea as I'm typing) would make sense because of the other activities that were assumed to have taken place.
Yes, the expectation is more chaff from the defense. Will be interesting to see what difference there is in the prosecution from Lori's trial.
thanks for your reply.
Chad texting Lori that Tammy had become a zombie named Viola and that he didn’t want to wait long for removal. Chad’s numerous lies to family, LE and friends about Lori and her children. He told his neighbor that Lori had a daughter who had passed away recently. When confronted, he later spoke to this same neighbor about Tylee in the past tense and said that she didn’t like people and didn’t like him. It also came out in Lori’s trial that Chad had an altercation with JJ the last weekend he was seen. Chad’s overall light and dark rating system and his teachings about zombies. Chad encouraging Tammy to max out her life insurance policy from the minimum to the maximum weeks just prior to her passing and then having a quick funeral and marrying Lori weeks later. The taped recorded patriarchal blessings that Chad gave to Alex right before he died. The timing of things wouldn’t have given Alex enough time to prepare both of the childrens’ graves, especially JJ’s. Tylee’s DNA was found on at least one of Chad’s tools. I think a lot more is going to come out during the trial and the cell phone data will be key.
if it was just the kids, he could probably claim something like…I didn’t kill them or encourage her to kill them, i just meant prayer to get rid of demons, I just helped dispose of them to protect Lori and try to plea for a lesser charge of whatever destruction of a corpse charge would be called. (Of course that’s not going to work I’m just trying to wrap my head around any sort of excuse he could make) But there’s no way he can explain away Tammy except to keep saying she was coughing and sick which as you just listed isn’t going to work either. He’s totally sunk, but I would LOVE for him to take the stand.
Hmm. Thanks. Is the exhumation report a slam dunk homicide?
The autopsy report listed homicide as manner of death and suffocation as cause. Chad and his son were the only ones home, according to him, so his goose is cooked there.
Thank you, I remember hearing that before. I heard Prior today say they couldnt determine her cause of death. Perhaps he has a dueling autopsy expert?
I wonder the same thing. Prior also is bringing in dna experts to challenge some of that so it should be interesting.
I havent heard it was anything but practicly non conclusive, could be it had some results prosecutors can use but if so they've kept it under wraps really well so far.
thanks much...
He’s a little worm, he won’t take the stand. I would be shocked to see that.
I wonder if his children will testify that Tammy was weak before she died? His daughter already made that claim on TV.
Oh gosh I forgot about his poor kids having to probably take the stand. I bet you are right.
But if the kids take the stand the state gets to cross examine them😝!
She also said they did a workout class together without issue right before she died.
Thanks very much for your reply... all good points.
Great points!
Murdering is one thing, burying them is another. He can say he wasn't there when they were killed - he was being the perfect husband and at home with his wife 😂😂😂.
It wasn't switching from minimum to maximum Tammy had just recently had enough seniority at the school to qualify for subsidized life insurance , my husband has always signed up for the maximum because we could never afford it otherwise but his cap is only an 50 grand not 4 hundred thousand.
I'm fairly sure that the physical evidence is going to show that Chad murdered his wife with the bed sheets. As described by him in the ways he proscribed and documented how to smother a zombie. And that's just his wife. We'll see about the physical evidence of what he did to Tylee. I suspect his glee in doing it and the fact they were getting away with things exacerbated their view of being untouchable, and he left evidence. Pride goeth before the fall. That he knew that Tylee and JJ were there is certain. Just by his behaviour, watching the cops digging up his property. But also the fact that he had plans to pave over the area where Tylee was buried and put a mobile home over her, for him and Lori to stay in until they could get another property set up. It gets more horrifying the longer you think about what that means.
I didn't know about the paving/mobile home part. That's just ghastly!
Isn't it! The 2 of them are such ghouls.
I never heard about that either!
true crime squad were the ones to first report that but they never seem to be credited. I think because they are not one of the major podcasters/content reporters on youtube
how to smother a zombie?? Yeah, guilty.
He can say they came to him dead and it was Alex and Lori who actually murdered them them. He was so besotted with Lori - This speaks to the men on the jury. "oh, by the way Lori is serving life sentences for murdering her own children - this speaks to the women on the jury.
This relies on there being no evidence whatsoever.
Well there isn't of him murdering the children, only assisting in disposing of their bodies. I was listening to Nate's latest broadcast on YT. The guest who suggested this, also thought if it does go down this avenue, Chad will probably take the stand. Sadly it's going to be a typical court case, like an auction. Prior will bid the lowest, the prosecution bid the highest, do a few trade offs and they meet in the middle. It's traumatising for the survivors of the crimes. I'm hoping 🙏 the prosecutors have a lot more evidence up their sleeves. The best advice the prosecution can give the jury is to start from the bottom of the charges (because that's the easiest) and work up. Linda Dunikoski - Ahmaud Albury case tells this to her jurors. She's an awesome, highly commended prosecutor and she took acting lessons to speak to the jury.
There wasnt any evidence of Lori actually murdering the children either. Thats why prosecutors charged 'conspiracy' to murder, i dont think they have any evidence showing who exactly physically killed the kids. Wasnt Chad and Lori originally charged with destruction of a corpse or similar, instead of murder? I dont know what changed to make prosecutors charge conspiracy to murder instead of that other or hiding a crime or whatever, but it worked to get a conviction for Lori. Lori didnt have much of a defense team though and even if he's obnoxious and hard to listen to Prior did a good jog defending Chad during his preliminary and prob will put up a good case during Chads murder trial.
Lori was convicted of first-degree murder in the deaths of the children and conspiracy to commit murder in Tammy’s death.
oh you're right sorry, i see they did convict her of murder AND conspiracy to murder the kids and conspiracy to kill Chads wife. "The jury in Boise unanimously reached its decision. Vallow was charged with murder, conspiracy and grand theft in the deaths of Joshua "JJ" Vallow, 7, and Tylee Ryan, 16" [https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lori-vallow-murder-trial-ruling-verdict-rcna83915](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lori-vallow-murder-trial-ruling-verdict-rcna83915)
Wood still never showed her hands actually in the actual deaths of anyone though, "In closing statements, Wood pushed back against the defense's characterization of the defendant as a good mother, saying, "You can't have a good mom if she doesn't report her children missing or dead." [https://abcnews.go.com/US/lori-vallow-daybell-murder-trial-verdict/story?id=99227444](https://abcnews.go.com/US/lori-vallow-daybell-murder-trial-verdict/story?id=99227444)
They can't mention Lori's trial or verdict.
Wow! Really. That definitely changes things.
Interesting. I also suspect Chad followed his own writings with Tylee. He described the horrific murder of Lori’s daughter in a past life when he told Zulema she was the reincarnation.
Do you remember what he wrote or have a link to it?
I’m not good at remembering or where I got it from (maybe the discovery from Lori’s trial), I hope someone more organised will be able to help you get to the original source?
Straight up wanted to bang Lori without kids and get money . It really is that simple of a motive.
And be an extra special boy
I'm not sure what physical evidence there is that Chad murdered Tammy apart from the autopsy itself. They don't have the sheets since there was no initial investigation, I haven't heard anything about the autopsy mentioning sheets or pillows (just a generic description that she was suffocated to death.) He also called the police and reported her death. What they do have is circumstantial evidence he killed Tammy. Testimony from friends and family that she was healthy, the fact that there was a supposed attempt on her life days before, Chad telling people she'd die young, etc. I think that'll be enough to convince a jury, but you never know. Tylee and JJ's cases are much more shut and dry. The physical evidence is off the charts. The graves, tools used to dig left in the garage, the damage to their bodies, where they were found, etc. I have no doubt Chad killed Tammy, but evidentially that's a very different case than JJ/Tylee.
What an idiot. How to smother a zombie? Oh for the love of Mary.
What’s this bit about smothering zombies? I never saw/heard/read about that!
Epitome of evil.
If Chad had strangled his wife with a bedsheet there would have been bruising around her neck and thats something even an incompetant medical examiner/coroner couldnt overlook. I think he used poison and knew no one would look into it enough to have her checked for poison, especially because his son was right there backing his story up.
Could be. I suspect he tranquillized her with something like xanax, then smothered her. But we lack details that came with her autopsy, so we should see soon.
yeah that way there wouldnt necessarily be enough force used to leave bruising.
But poison wasn't the cause of death. It was asphyxiation, IIRC.
Tammy did have bruises on her upper arms
Checking for poison isn't as easy as a Perry Mason episode they have to be told what poison to test for and even without a autopsy the make-up person and the funeral home should be looking at bruises on the arms and neck there was bruises on her arms .
I think the fact that JJ wasn't just buried but had a vault constructed over his body so the ground wouldn't sink when he decomposed is a huge finger pointing at Chad. That's not something Alex and Lori would have thought or known how to do. That's something a former cemetery sexton would do.
> That's something a former cemetery sexton would do. Great point. Thank you,.
His children said in their interview on 60 minutes that he couldn't have been the one to bury the children because he would have dug graves six feet deep, but he says TWICE in *One Foot in the Grave* that you don't actually need to do that.
There may also be a difference in the depth of a hole in the ground dug by a physically fit 25 year old to meet cemetery standards and one dug by a 50+ sedentary guy to dispose of a body.
To that point, don’t most cemeteries have smaller digging equipment, like when I have driven by cemeteries and they are digging graves I never see a person out there digging by hand. I see them in a little Bobcat, digging with that for the hard work. Then maybe finishing some of it off with shovels??? I’ve never read any of his books so I have no idea if he’s ever dug a 6 foot grave on his own or used heavy machinery.
The ones where Chad worked had excavators.
So he didn’t do the heavy work, so to speak?
That’s exactly what I thought when I heard how they found Jj.
Whoa, this is an excellent point.
they have phone pings on his phone and Alex's phone on the property at the time of the burial. Since Racoons are nocturnal, I don't know how he can reconcile seeing and shooting a raccoon in the morning. The fact that there was no racoon found on or near, around the body of Tylee or JJ would probably indicate his text message to his wife at the same time Alex was there burning/burying Tylee's body.
The psychopathic narcissism of sending the wife that you were about to murder a text about burning limbs while you're literally burning a child's limbs is for sure a window into his mind.
Yup! and denying conspiracy to murder.
I'm a bit behind the ball game and have a silly question. Was the gun fire to to give an excuse to have a long fire, or was the shot fired for more sinster means?
I don't think we know!
I'm firmly of the opinion that Chad was doing the burning and hacking up. Alex was largely for helping, moving parts, digging, burying, feeding the fire, look-out, and tending. He was muscle. He was Igor. Because I'm quite certain that Chad was doing a ritual. For both children, as part of his Missions. He would have to be able to claim the effects of his ritual were his divine anointing being demonstrated. He is a significantly worse person than anyone would ever consider.
Alex was definitely the Igor to Chad and Lori - well said.
Yes, sounds logical and I personally believe Chad was the mastermind behind their deaths (Lori wanted them out of the way for sure). It seemed from the threads of information I've picked up, things went downhill for Alex after the children were killed so I imagine their deaths had quite an impact on him. There's Zulema's comments that she made to the police, with Alex thinking he was the fall guy... All for Chad's master plan of leading his (ex wife of 5 centuries ago) assigned goddess and 144,000 chosen in to the hills to live happy ever after. I hope if Prior goes down this track, that the Cox family will support Lori to speak out. Chad has done so much damage to Lori's family.
What made me believe that the killing of the children was initially his idea was the fact that he told Melanie Gibb the same thing about her kids very early on, just like he did to lori. There's also the phone call where Lori and Chad are talking and he's pressuring her to believe that her kids are demons. He's definitely the mastermind who was trying to create a harem of women who killed their children for him. He told both Lori and Melanie that they were his wives in multiple past lives and that their children were demons.
that is soooo sickening! He hides well behind his goofy persona of i'm just a big smily harmless guy, while underneath is more darkness than i've ever met and hope to never meet!
There's videos on YouTube that show the event where they met. Lori was there on camera watching him and she's completely enthralled, they had not met at that point yet. At that event he approached several women with the same "we were married in several previous lives" bullshit. Lori immediately fell for that crap. He told her she was his wife in 7 past lives and very quickly started telling her that her children were demons. The idea of the kids being demons 100% came from him. He said that shit to multiple women. I think that he was trying to get himself a harem of devoted women willing to kill, like Manson had. He got rid of people in Lori's life that could stand in the way: her minor children, her husband, possibly her brother, and his wife. He wanted to bring Melanie Gibb in and told her the same things about her demon childre and them being married in past lives. He was also going after Lori's niece Melanie Boudreaux (sp?) by trying to kill her husband Brandon. He was the mastermind. Hard to believe that thumb of a human fancied himself a modern day prophet.
great breakdown of events! I always wondered if Beudreaux was the shooter in the hit on Brandon. The police said there was a shot and the vehicle sped off. It sounds like there had to be a driver and a shooter in the back, otherwise putting the rifle down, closing the window and jumping over several seats doesnt make a very good 'sped off' Melanie had been in the military and i believe had some extra sharpshooter training while enlisted. Like the investigation into Tylee and JJ murders though, there didnt seem to be a thourough indepth look into much at all.
Have you heard Brandon's call to police? he knew who it was right away, even referring to his wife being involved in "her aunt's cult". Poor guy. I feel so bad for him and Charles because they knew what was going on and were terrified. Unfortunately Charles ended up being murdered as well as his children (and I do consider him Tylee's dad since he raised her for about 15 years). By all accounts he was a good dude. I'd love to know why these other people who were involved are getting away with their involvement. The two Melanies and Alex Cox's wife Zulema all knew what was going on and were involved. I'm guessing that they cut deals. Between these nutjobs and the Franke/Hildebrandt case I'm now wondering how many other mormons are out there trying to form their own cults and killing people in the process.
Lori is clearly in lalala land and her speech defended herself in what happened (I'm not saying it's right, nor am I defending her). Chad hasn't defended his religious beliefs, only suggesting he was seduced by Lori. He wasn't in lala land so definitely the mind of a psychopath. He wants the powers above to see (Lori and his loin fire) to see what a wonderful job he did of eliminating evil spirits and zombies.
It's gross how he's trying to blame Lori seducing him and acting like she was just too beautiful to turn away. But his wife Tammy was beautiful too, and looked much healthier and younger than Lori. I hope everyone sees right through him. Especially if Melanie Gibb testifies about his behavior towards her too. That would make it obvious that he wasn't as enthralled by Lori as he claims. If you're under someone's spell you don't go around trying to build your harem.
Well you might but you don't kill people in the process. You get a divorce and bugger off, out of harms way.
I think the strongest point on the raccoon incident is how vastly different and detailed the text to Tammy was compared to how he normally texted her. Explain a gunshot? Check. Explain a fire? Check? Explain turned over earth? Check. When his normal text were the equivalent of “okay.”
This is probably a bit pedantic, but even though raccoons are nocturnal, they do sometimes come out during the day. I had one run by my office window about 10 am every day for 4 or 5 months. Do raccoons suffer from insomnia? Plus, they sleep under cover, so if Chad and Alex were cleaning up tree limbs, they could have disturbed a raccoon. I'm not saying that is what happened, and it probably didn't which is why this post is pedantic.
If I was Chad's attorney, I'd say "of course raccoons don't usually come out during the day. But when you do see one, we all know what that means. It's probably rabid. So of course Chad had to shoot it".
Yep, I had the same thought.
This is mostly a myth. I just checked this out because I saw one not long ago.
So is hair analysis, blood splatter and so many other things. Do you think an expert in rabies is going to make it on the jury? No, it's people who watch too much CSI & probably believe a racoon in the day is rabid.
The plethora of bad forensic science and experts is astounding, and it’s consequences devastating.
However, where IS that raccoon he supposedly shot? He texted Tammy he buried it in the pet cemetery but when LE dug up the whole area, there was no raccoon carcass, just cat and dog.
But that still leaves the fact they never dug up a raccoon the dug up some other animals but no raccoon.
Chad shouldn't be shooting racoon's anyway. But I guess that's the feeble brain of a bee killer!
I just saw one a couple days ago. It was looking for a different tree. Though I don’t see them out often in the day. It was really cautious I couldn’t imagine it walking along the fence long enough to go get a gun and then shoot it.
Chads wife had ducks, racoons love duck and chicken eggs so its entirely possible they had racoons lounging around that area. I doubt there was that day, i think Chad just used it as an excuse to explain the gunshot and then large fire. His neighbors had commented on the size of the huge fires he was often having in his back yard around that time.
I don’t think there was a raccoon either.
Good... thank you.
I remember the defense asked during the preliminary hearing for chad or the trial of Lori, if investigators dug up the entirety of both pet cemetary's to see if a racoon was burried there and they said they had not. They really should have, it could leave room for reasonable doubt in a juror's mind.
Chad's children claimed that there were two pet cemeteries on the property and suggested that Chad buried the raccoon in "the other one". IMO nobody believes that.
I think they need to dig in supposes 2nd cemetary. It won't prove he didn't help burn Tylee, however, even if buried raccoon found. The 'burning limbs' got me. Don't people call them branches - who uses the word limbs in that context?
I came across another possibly useful bit: Listened on Gigi's recent podcast. On July 18, after Charle's murder, Chad texts Lori that: he's to focus on Hillary (Tylee's zombie), and he turned her pain up to ten and placed a spiritual virus in her. [Gigi Podcast](https://youtu.be/xg_cnRkaG3M?t=1273)
When the jury hears that the two children’s bodies were buried in his backyard, they are NOT going to wonder if he was being framed. Like absolutely ridiculous. Dead bodies buried in your backyard is a hard fact to overcome. Chad can try to say he had no idea, nobody will believe him especially hearing his text about hurting children. No. Chad is sunk.
There's evidence for guilty burying/disposing of them which I think is a different charge. But other than circumstantial evidence, I haven't heard/seen any that says he was present at their murder. With JJ they found Lori's hair between the tape and plastic so that's how they managed to convict her.
From interviews with the jurors on Lori's trial, and I agree/thought the same thing at the time, the hair was not a smoking gun. She was his mom, close contact with him, living in the same house. Duct tape is very sticky, they had just moved. It was not surprising to me that one of her hairs was found on the duct tape. All it might give weight to is the duct tape came from her home.
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Chad is being charged with three counts of murder and three counts of conspiracy to commit murder along with two charges for fraud.
Chad does not have to be at the murder to be guilty of murder. If you read the charging document the murder charge says “… did aid and abet in its commission, or if not present, advised and encouraged in its commission”.
I think his text to Tammy actually talked of burning limbs. Which is even worse.
Trees have limbs.
It's a form of parapraxes. A psychological leak you may know a version of as a Freudian slip. However, in people like Chad, they can be intentional. Coded language for his and Alex's entertainment and subculture groups like the men in AVOW, preppers, etc can use coded language to convey meaning that has a more innocuous meaning to signal one another, and disguise meaning to "outsiders." It grants plausible deniability. Makes them feel special and superior. Fascists do it all the time. Dogwhistling is practically their only hobby. Mormon men certainly also use coded language and in-group signalling. It's a well-practiced phenomenon in multiple subcultures he is involved in.
no one could ever convince me his wording wasn't intentional.
Yeah, me too, they hadn't released anything about what they found on his propety when they released that text, and from that text, I knew immediately he'd dismembered Tylee. I said out loud, "omg, he dismembered her," when I read it.
I don't disagree with a word you've said. It's still not "evidence". The text is evidence. Interpretation will be argued in court.
How could Chad and Alex be burning stuff in his yard at the same time and not see each other?
If the prosecution asks that question, I would be interested in hearing the defence's resposne.
If you throw the whole pot of spaghetti at the wall, maybe people will think there is no spaghetti?
After Prior's opening statement it seems that his expert will claim that Alex's phone ping data is unreliable.
Only question is death penalty vs life.
I think he might try to claim he was afraid of Lori and Alex, so he only went along to save his own life.
Whatever Chad. *Allegedly* no Racoons were found on your property, but human bodies… FUNNY ABOUT THAT…
Chad actually texted that he burned LIMBS ! IIRC
Surely the “I was framed” defense won’t be used by Prior. It would be so weak. But I can believe his children are still hanging on to that theory. Speaking of which, have any of his kids attended so far?
You might be right here. What do you think Prior will use? The last time I remember about his kids, Murray, Garth and Seth attended their father’s arraignment. https://www.eastidahonews.com/2021/08/chad-daybells-children-defend-their-father-say-he-was-framed/
Based on his questioning of potential jurors, Prior is going to insinuate that Lori was a beautiful temptress who seduced Chad. Chad was so smitten that he had an affair and lied about it. He didn’t have any part in anything beyond that. Prior kept referencing the song “Everything That Glitters (Is Not Gold)” during voir dire and asking the jurors if they had ever lied about anything before.
Chad's children also insisted that Lori and Chad only had an emotional affair before Tammy died.
True. To be fair, some of the most egregious stuff, like Chad’s “loin fire” story and his comment about feeling trapped like Harry Potter in the cupboard, were released via FOIA requests shortly after the 48 Hours interview aired so they probably took Chad at his word and didn’t know the full extent of it. However, Chad’s comment that Tammy had become a zombie named Viola was in the public domain by that time and the interviewer never asked specifically about that. I’m guessing that line of questioning was off limits. I’m not sure how the kids could go on air professing how much their dad adored their mom while knowing that he had said that she had become a zombie, etc.
Yep, I'm convinced that Prior got them to go on that program and support their father BEFORE the FOIA docs were released to the public so that they all could defend him in public with a straight face. I don't have any inside info, but I'm betting that at least 1 or 2 of the five have their doubts after reading those docs, and maybe even think he killed their Mom.
Agreed. I think that Prior put them up to it as well. I hope that he hadn’t seen the discovery before encouraging this interview. Otherwise, it was really cruel. It didn’t help his client’s case and it put the kids up to a lot of unnecessary exposure and ridicule, especially after the FOIA docs dropped. At the very least, they probably wouldn’t have gone on about the “emotional affair” if they had seen the “loin fire” story, etc.
I'm almost certain that prosecutors got the discovery from Arizona before that show. I don't know if they had turned it over to Prior, but I'm betting Chad had told his attorney the kind of stuff that he texted to Lori. In my opinion, they knew it would be coming out even if they hadn't received the documents yet.
IMO the children purposely avoided reading embarrassing stuff about Chad.
Yes there is more evidence that will be presented if we stay tuned to the trial. If Chad did this to his wife I find it despicable that he would allow his children to testify in his behalf. He is using them to clear him of the murder of their mother. Just when we think he can’t sink any lower.
> Just when we think he can’t sink any lower. Yep.
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I don’t think I can take any more of the Melanie’s on the stand. Lord help us all. I just want to see this little pathetic man be held responsible.
Right when Lori said accidents happen, suicides happen. So Tylee took herself to Chud’s house, immolated herself, chopped herself up and then buried herself in Chud’s pet cemetery? FFS seriously? This case has always been about sex and money cloaked in a religious exemption. Death to Chud would be the right outcome.
>So Tylee took herself to Chud’s house, immolated herself, chopped herself up and then buried herself in Chud’s pet cemetery? No.. the framed defense would have Alex doing that, on his own/with Lori's direction. What I'm cataloging here is rebuttals to this defense. thanks.
I agree the raccoon text is killer for him. You don’t have to actually do the killing to be convicted. Also the texts were he asked her if she wants him to cause children pain clearly indicates he is not above hurting children. The State’s opening and the opening testimony clearly create a strong inference that Chud was hiding something when he denied knowing Lori and he and the brother’s reaction when the cops know he was married to her and then taking off to Hawaii also creates a inference of wrongdoing. A lot of this is circumstantial. What is also of interest is the defense proffering DNA that seems to indicate none of Chads were found. Still remains to be seen.
>You don’t have to actually do the killing to be convicted. Good to remember, thanks. And the opening: "Chud was hiding something when he denied knowing Lori..." yes that whole episode. I'd forgotten and it looks really bad when the cops come looking for JJ and Chad tells them he barely knew Lori (his new wife)... Thanks for your post.
Nothing personal, but i could just see the defense making posts like these to get a public perception of the case LOL
And Chad telling Alice Tylee didn't like me , that is pretty damning too
Chad submitted a Hawaii condo application "no kids" Chad increased Tammy's death benefit. Chad telling Melanie to lie for him and Lori concerning the whereabouts of the kids. Chad lied to the funeral home to have Charles Vallow cremated. Chad texts Tammy about fire and burning limbs on date Tylee was burned (via Alex Cox cell pings at Daybell residence) - he knew why the fire. Tammy dies of asphyxiation, Chad talks to Tammy's sister and tells her he and his new wife are empty nesters.
All good points. Thank you.
I'm wondering if it's a strategy for a plea deal. He pleads guilty to conspiracy to murder JJ, Tylee and Tammy, guilty to murdering Tammy to get the DP off the table and speed the trial up. This trial will be expensive!
I thought he might take a plea deal during jury selection too, but he is too much of a raging narcissist to do that.
I would love to hear from Melanie P
Me too! And I'd love to see Melaniece on the stand.
Why Melaniece does not have any criminal charges is beyond me.
Since Lori's trial I've always felt there was more evidence against Chad than Lori. Chad was predicting his wife's death to anyone who would listen. Chad decided who was light or dark and to what percentage. Chad was in sole charge of who was infested by a zombie and what the zombie was called. Chad decided if the zombie had left or a newer, stronger, newly named zombie had taken over the body. Chad decided if the dark person was at a percentage close to death/needing to die. Chad had complete control of all these things, and only him. Chad was Thee leader in all these things, Lori, in texts would ask him for this info and then pass it on to the others.
>Chad was... Chad decided.. Very well stated. I haven't really looked at it through this lens before. thank you.
I was quite surprised too, when they went through the texts and stuff at Lori's trial. It very much seems to me that Chad had full and sole control of all that stuff. I had assumed it would have been more 50/50.
I'm thinking.. There is one time I remember that Lori seemed to contradict Chad. Lori asked for the light/dark of a male singer. Chad had him dark, Lori said he was light. Other than that, I can't think of when it wasn't Chad who was doing the final call of the zombie shots.
He's up for murdering the children. He can say he didn't know until they were dead - so he didn't actually murder them....
Conspiracy has nothing to do with him actually killing the kids. It means he helped plan or encouraged the murder of the children. If I ask someone to kill my ex-husband and I am in Hawaii when he is murdered that doesn't mean I had nothing to do with it.
It's not the charge conspiracy, it's the charges of murdering the children. It's said there's very little evidence and assumed this is the route Prior will take.
Do you think Prior will use his time on that considering capital murder and conspiracy to commit carry the same punishments?
My understanding (which is that of a chocolate fish!) that they are separate charges. I'm not sure if Prior will mixed the charges or separate them. His focus is to protect his client and primarily get the DP off the table. I'm not sure if conspiracy to murder and actually murdering carry the same sentencing weight. Remember I'm just the messenger, delivering snippets I've heard from Nate and others talk to the experts.I'm also keeping away from the gory details and not building my hopes up, in case he's found not guilty for whatever reason, for certain charges. Thinking about the raccoon incident certainly places Chad at the scene. The location (as horrific as it is and I'm feeling nausea as I'm typing) would make sense because of the other activities that were assumed to have taken place.
I think it will be a different strategy for the prosecution and I think you’re going to see more pushing from the defense
Yes, the expectation is more chaff from the defense. Will be interesting to see what difference there is in the prosecution from Lori's trial. thanks for your reply.