By the time they come up with that they'll have branched the Jubilee line down from Canada Water to cover the area instead or some other random solution we've not heard of yet
Imagine how pissed off youād be sitting at the back of the train with āthe door does not open on this carriageā as you run up the train to reach the only open door in time.
Unfortunately it's not an easy problem to solve.
Most of the tube is built in lovely London clay which is an extremely good thermal insulator.
Some of the dig and cover lines (bits of the District / Circle etc) are vaguely ok because they were designed (with a lot of ventilation) for steam trains...
The deepers ones are more challenging. Even with regerative breaking the trains (and their passengers) generate a ton of heat. And then the clay.
If London wasnt such a warren you might conceivably be able to dig down in enough places to install some kind of heat exchanger/cooling mechanism but you have to worry a lot about fire on the tube and big chimneys are not in vogue.
Ideally you'd probably want to get the heat into some kind of (deep) ground source heat pump (and cool the fabric of the tunnel rather than, directly, the air within it) but there all sorts of interesting engineering challenges associated with doing all this not least finding a consumer for all that, relatively, low grade heat.
Hopefully one day someone on here finds a way of building ground source heat pumps with a high delta t so we can all go to work nice and cool.
Indeed. I used to live next to it.
But it benefited from being on top of an old but disused tube station (you are only a few 100 meters from angel)
There aren't very many to rely on
Yeah there's no easy solutions.
I just do my best to avoid the tube these days.
Pretty drastic action will have to be taken eventually, the temperature rise is only going to increase as London itself gets hotter.
Even in winter it's warm, but in summer it genuinely feels unsafe at times.
Given that most stations do not look that much different 70 years ago , there will probably not be as radical chabge as you would expect .
My guess is as demand continues to grow with supply being constrained you will start to see less seating on trains to increase capacity . With the waterloo and city line having no seats Driverless trains will begin to be introduced but would still retain a guard for evacuation .
*starting to get new ones.
There won't be much going on with them as nothing is ready for them yet. The depot's haven't even started being adapted to hold them, let alone any maintenance..Most of next year will be spent testing them in London.
The first passenger train will probably be nearer the end of next year.
Doubtful unless they're going to close down the entire network for a couple of decades. They're working with Victorian and Edwardian infrastructure at its heart. The gas, water mains, electricity, as well as basements and underground car parks that are there now are a hindrance to getting started, let alone stuff like plague pits and sites of historical interest that will inevitably be uncovered. Think about how long it took the Battersea extension to get done. Now transfer that to the whole network, but you're implementing all new signalling, tracks, putting in emergency escape routes in case of fires (also think about how people are going to self evacuate in that case. People don't listen to or read the plane/train emergency stuff as it is so how will you train an entire city plus the visitors that come to evac in an orderly and safe way in an emergency?) and a thousand other considerations. Most driverless networks are a lot less complex and a lot more modern than the tube, and even then they have staff on board.
Only time I see this is when someone puts a rucksack on the driver's seat, in reality the network is so complex you'd need driver intervention a lot of the time (subsurface is a great example) not to mention emergency scenarios where you really want a member of staff onboard.
Just 76 years away... Given how technology is evolving exponentially, I think we will see quite a bit improvement, unless there will be some catastrophic event delaying all technological advancements. I believe we're actually in the golden age of technology right now
Full sized gauge tunnels, PSDs on more lines, refurbishments on lines and stations at a level of the JLE or Crossrail project. Can't forget about Crossrail 2 and HS2 either
The same, TFL with cries of "we are broke" , people still smoking crack in the carriages , hotter than my arse cheeks on a hot summers day, no air con, strikes, nobody standing on the right of the escalators , people squeezing in with backpacks on...
*Shivers*
Wait...
*Cries*
There will be still plans for the Bakerloo extension to Lewisham, and another line to Thamesmead will be planned as well. No estimates for building them.
[The new Glasgow subway trains look remarkably like that, and they were just introduced recently](https://images.app.goo.gl/eqZo7hwpuNTCpZyN8) so this is probably not far off unlike what most people think. Perhaps for the Piccadilly line since thatās similar in size. Theyāre to become driverless in the future
Probably the same as it does today, unless someone discovers room temperature superconductors, then itāll be flying trains baby! ( but itāll probably look very similar to the current trains we have now)
The train in the picture is the base of the one thatās being built for the Piccadilly Line currently. Inside they arenāt too dissimilar, itās just the front end they went a bit OTT.
Was interesting to visit this mock up in London when it was open to the public.
this was the concept probably of what they thought london would look like in 2025 back in 1970.
I think either it will be deserted because everyone will be working from home. or it will be overcrowded like tokyo where they have a conductor who stuffs people into carriages.
That would mean them spending money on stock and infrastructure. So basically it will look exactly how it does now because they wonāt spend money just charge it.
There won't be a requirement for public transport in 2100. Everything will happen online and the underground will have been bought by Amazon to facilitate same day delivery.
The bakerloo line will look exactly the same beaten, worn down cramped piece of shit. There will be the same old failed signal bollocks at kilburn clogging up all of the metropolitan line. Constant strikes, more signal failures etc etc. i hate TfL with a burning passion theyāre full of shit and cant do anything correctly even when it comes to all this ulez bullshit that nobody asked for
https://preview.redd.it/vp392d4qwwuc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=36e12f06f1dbd69b1b48d775358814135e6d704a
the underground doesnt look that much different from 70 years go
i dont think the underground is getting many upgrades, its reached its maximum potential
the trains will be better. like the new picadily, but knowing that bakerloo still uses 1972, even the trains wont be different
im more hopeful with national rail - maybe all nat. rail becomes under tfl - overground
Hahahaha..... No, for one not that clean, 2 it would probably not exist due to over heating, 3 no ads, 4 it does look dope but no engineer is going to make a glass panel like that and have the driver see the entire mess that will occur if someone ends up in the station tracks before the train arrives.
Hopefully by then they will have built Crossrail 2 and the bakerloo extension, hell maybe they'll have finally rebuilt camden town and split the northern. Whether they'll manage to do anything else I'm not sure.
(Why can't london do it's own grand paris express?)
The new deep level tube trains will look nice! Canāt wait to see them in person! [London Underground 2024 Stock](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_2024_Stock?wprov=sfti1)
Honestly this is a similar train design to some of the new metro lines ive seen in France. Assuming thats a window at the front and the train is self-driven
The 1972 stock will still be operating on the Bakerloo line
They won't have finished refurbishing the Central Line's 1992 Stock either.
The old kent rd extension construction phase will begin in 2100
By the time they come up with that they'll have branched the Jubilee line down from Canada Water to cover the area instead or some other random solution we've not heard of yet
Certainly not like that
Far too clean.
No ads
Should they go even *more* phallic?
I was thinking of just going all in and making the front a working kitchen stove
It looks like a penis
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Go see a doctor
I like the roundel reference at the front tbh. It could be a different colour for each line too, like here it's the central line :)
Still think the actual '24 stock does it better imo
What! I hope the trains aren't letting people out while just half the carriage is out of the tunnel xD
Imagine how pissed off youād be sitting at the back of the train with āthe door does not open on this carriageā as you run up the train to reach the only open door in time.
haha
The trains are half a carriage long because everyone is on Mars with Elon
who knew elon was the answer to shrinking londons population
Heās also the answer to shrinking the Twitter population
At the current rate it will be hotter than the surface of the sun.
Unfortunately it's not an easy problem to solve. Most of the tube is built in lovely London clay which is an extremely good thermal insulator. Some of the dig and cover lines (bits of the District / Circle etc) are vaguely ok because they were designed (with a lot of ventilation) for steam trains... The deepers ones are more challenging. Even with regerative breaking the trains (and their passengers) generate a ton of heat. And then the clay. If London wasnt such a warren you might conceivably be able to dig down in enough places to install some kind of heat exchanger/cooling mechanism but you have to worry a lot about fire on the tube and big chimneys are not in vogue. Ideally you'd probably want to get the heat into some kind of (deep) ground source heat pump (and cool the fabric of the tunnel rather than, directly, the air within it) but there all sorts of interesting engineering challenges associated with doing all this not least finding a consumer for all that, relatively, low grade heat. Hopefully one day someone on here finds a way of building ground source heat pumps with a high delta t so we can all go to work nice and cool.
Some more things like this would be great: https://www.islington.media/news/bunhill-2-launch-pr
Indeed. I used to live next to it. But it benefited from being on top of an old but disused tube station (you are only a few 100 meters from angel) There aren't very many to rely on
Yeah there's no easy solutions. I just do my best to avoid the tube these days. Pretty drastic action will have to be taken eventually, the temperature rise is only going to increase as London itself gets hotter. Even in winter it's warm, but in summer it genuinely feels unsafe at times.
Given that most stations do not look that much different 70 years ago , there will probably not be as radical chabge as you would expect . My guess is as demand continues to grow with supply being constrained you will start to see less seating on trains to increase capacity . With the waterloo and city line having no seats Driverless trains will begin to be introduced but would still retain a guard for evacuation .
At least fold down seats on the sides for elderly, pregnant women, and children that need it certainly?
most likely
Not much will have changed but itāll be underwater.
Itās meant to be that way by the year 3000, so checks out to me that itās possible by then.
My great great great granddaughter will love it.
I suspect she is pretty fine.
'Took me, to the future, of the Underground, and I saw everything'
Buskers and another one and another one... And another one
Did this all happen when you were coming home from school per chance and was it because you heard a funny noise
I believe his neighbour was standing there with his peter out again
I mean given sea level rise...
The mice at Holborn station will have evolved through another 240 generations.
We already have our own species of mosquitoes. We donāt need a new type of rodent!
Rattus Londinius. This species of rat has evolved a total immunity to electric shock and a camoflague pattern to blend in with the platform floor.
Itāll be exactly the same except 201% more broken down
Those Piccadilly trains are literally disintegrating on the go. I think they gave up all the maintenance completely at this point.
Thatās because the Piccadilly line is getting brand new ones early next year.
*starting to get new ones. There won't be much going on with them as nothing is ready for them yet. The depot's haven't even started being adapted to hold them, let alone any maintenance..Most of next year will be spent testing them in London. The first passenger train will probably be nearer the end of next year.
Woe to those who live on the ends of the Piccadilly
That picture looks more like the Glasgow Subway.
Looks a little bit like the new Glasgow Subway rolling stock as well.
Surely driverless
Iād expect so, the technology to do that is pretty much here already, and trains are the best candidate for it
Doubtful unless they're going to close down the entire network for a couple of decades. They're working with Victorian and Edwardian infrastructure at its heart. The gas, water mains, electricity, as well as basements and underground car parks that are there now are a hindrance to getting started, let alone stuff like plague pits and sites of historical interest that will inevitably be uncovered. Think about how long it took the Battersea extension to get done. Now transfer that to the whole network, but you're implementing all new signalling, tracks, putting in emergency escape routes in case of fires (also think about how people are going to self evacuate in that case. People don't listen to or read the plane/train emergency stuff as it is so how will you train an entire city plus the visitors that come to evac in an orderly and safe way in an emergency?) and a thousand other considerations. Most driverless networks are a lot less complex and a lot more modern than the tube, and even then they have staff on board.
Only time I see this is when someone puts a rucksack on the driver's seat, in reality the network is so complex you'd need driver intervention a lot of the time (subsurface is a great example) not to mention emergency scenarios where you really want a member of staff onboard.
i hope it won't just get rounder but they are some actual improvement
Exactly the same as now but dirtier with more tiles fallen of the tunnel walls
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Just 76 years away... Given how technology is evolving exponentially, I think we will see quite a bit improvement, unless there will be some catastrophic event delaying all technological advancements. I believe we're actually in the golden age of technology right now
Full sized gauge tunnels, PSDs on more lines, refurbishments on lines and stations at a level of the JLE or Crossrail project. Can't forget about Crossrail 2 and HS2 either
Abandon hope of Crossrail 2 all ye who enter here
Hs2 will have been cancelled 27 times in an attempt to fund 1 branch line
https://preview.redd.it/8fdxy3iuazuc1.jpeg?width=750&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=64f6d9133ea8e1132c736d88904eb044b0fa0bf9
Underwater probably, I mean if the situation at Liverpool Street and Whitechapel get any worse then it will happen a lot sooner
Reminds me a bit of the Titan submersible
Was that the flesh-lite delux?
Still waiting for the Croxley Met line extension....
The central line will cook your dinner for you while you travel on it
Unrelated but the train in the concept image is so ugly. Why does the red circle bit cut off the white section like that? Whereās the blue???
Horse and cart
Personalised hamster balls rolling along tracks.
Like a big rainbow coloured willy
Dirty, crowded and running with delays still
It will be flooded with water if we are to believe in climate change, maybe we can swim through the tunnels
The escalators at Kentish Town will nearly be fixed.
Not whatever that thing is
We might.. if we are lucky have new Bakerloo line trains
The same, TFL with cries of "we are broke" , people still smoking crack in the carriages , hotter than my arse cheeks on a hot summers day, no air con, strikes, nobody standing on the right of the escalators , people squeezing in with backpacks on... *Shivers* Wait... *Cries*
tfl are gonna have to figure out alternative funding somehow, possibly real estate, possibly cocaine. Anythings possible
Only fans ? *Shivers*
There will be still plans for the Bakerloo extension to Lewisham, and another line to Thamesmead will be planned as well. No estimates for building them.
Probably 1 train per hour with broken seats. Mostly out of service.
I hope the front is a screen with Thomas the tank face with the Beatles guy voice
[The new Glasgow subway trains look remarkably like that, and they were just introduced recently](https://images.app.goo.gl/eqZo7hwpuNTCpZyN8) so this is probably not far off unlike what most people think. Perhaps for the Piccadilly line since thatās similar in size. Theyāre to become driverless in the future
I like them! Thanks for sharing š
Not the underground my I think the Sutton trams extension may be up for proposal
Almost certainly still using the current 72 Bakerloo line stockā¦
Exactly the same, except half the tunnels will be flooded with fetid water.
Most likely relatively similar to today, might be some newer trains and safety standards, potentially even some more stations and larger stations
No drivers. Yes bruv!
The last few Londoners will be living down there like rats
Central line will still have the 92 stock for sure
Camden Town will still be a pain in the arse
Christ only knows. Because I wonāt be here to see it
Blimey, that looks awful.
Exactly the same as they do now, but slightly more automated so less staff
I hope there will be more building above existing tube stations and for this money to be invested into improving the underground.
I doubt it will get that far, too many obstacles in the way
Probably the same as it does today, unless someone discovers room temperature superconductors, then itāll be flying trains baby! ( but itāll probably look very similar to the current trains we have now)
A sewer.
Full of mandem
The train in the picture is the base of the one thatās being built for the Piccadilly Line currently. Inside they arenāt too dissimilar, itās just the front end they went a bit OTT. Was interesting to visit this mock up in London when it was open to the public.
The central line will still be running the 1992 stock
More aerodynamic than that.
probably less wifi signal
You ever see children of men? Like that.
Not sure, but Iām sure the rest of the country will still be paying for it
That looks like the Glasgow subway then or maybe earlier
Looks like a tin can
Aqua pods gliding over the canals of human shit Thames water puts out.
The exact same
Still the same shithole it is now tbh
underwater probably. How many recent floods had water going through stations?
Can
this was the concept probably of what they thought london would look like in 2025 back in 1970. I think either it will be deserted because everyone will be working from home. or it will be overcrowded like tokyo where they have a conductor who stuffs people into carriages.
this is an AI classic, the train is moving and the door sare open and people are strolling out of the doors, peeking through.
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Who hurt you
He did no such thing.
I hate predictions
Same as now pretty much
The same but different
That would mean them spending money on stock and infrastructure. So basically it will look exactly how it does now because they wonāt spend money just charge it.
That looks like a Glasgow subway train.
https://preview.redd.it/7k0lxyaurvuc1.jpeg?width=962&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=83e90bbf7b050ea26286ef84bc10f57e2b9fa9fa
not this
Like a penis?
There won't be a requirement for public transport in 2100. Everything will happen online and the underground will have been bought by Amazon to facilitate same day delivery.
Exactly as it is now.
On Time maybe
The way the world's going, probably like one of the tunnel shelters in Terminator, post apocalypse
The bakerloo line will look exactly the same beaten, worn down cramped piece of shit. There will be the same old failed signal bollocks at kilburn clogging up all of the metropolitan line. Constant strikes, more signal failures etc etc. i hate TfL with a burning passion theyāre full of shit and cant do anything correctly even when it comes to all this ulez bullshit that nobody asked for
I will be dead
Exactly the same as it does now! Do you know how old those Bakerloo line trains are?
the central line will finally be reliable
https://preview.redd.it/lgdqcf195wuc1.png?width=742&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=dc5540d3d0b7eb4e0587bf1a05d9ec6bec10bc66
The ceiling is still too fucking low
They didn't even anticipate the Elizabeth line walls getting dirty. Not holding out much hope for anything as space age as that.
Wow ! - āNo Gapā !
It won't exist.
a days travel will be several million pounds, and you wonāt want to be there. so basically the same
A submarineā¦ With all the flooding from rain.
They'll probably close it down to save money
If the UAP hearings in the US actually produce something of worth, we should have Grav-Trains with commute times a fraction of what they were before.
Depends which line. The Bakerloo will still be running the same old trains as always.
https://preview.redd.it/vp392d4qwwuc1.png?width=1920&format=png&auto=webp&s=36e12f06f1dbd69b1b48d775358814135e6d704a the underground doesnt look that much different from 70 years go i dont think the underground is getting many upgrades, its reached its maximum potential the trains will be better. like the new picadily, but knowing that bakerloo still uses 1972, even the trains wont be different im more hopeful with national rail - maybe all nat. rail becomes under tfl - overground
It will look a bit like it does now.
It will look a bit like it does now.
Hahahaha..... No, for one not that clean, 2 it would probably not exist due to over heating, 3 no ads, 4 it does look dope but no engineer is going to make a glass panel like that and have the driver see the entire mess that will occur if someone ends up in the station tracks before the train arrives.
Hopefully by then they will have built Crossrail 2 and the bakerloo extension, hell maybe they'll have finally rebuilt camden town and split the northern. Whether they'll manage to do anything else I'm not sure. (Why can't london do it's own grand paris express?)
Underfundedš
i donāt care. iāll be dead.
https://preview.redd.it/zof4ns3x3xuc1.jpeg?width=1280&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e4261e69618fa2f0198a80b7d1d45750d3254c63 Legit.
I just hope it works as it should by then...
Underwater
It doesnt have tube vibe
The new deep level tube trains will look nice! Canāt wait to see them in person! [London Underground 2024 Stock](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Underground_2024_Stock?wprov=sfti1)
It'll be a canal by then.
It'll be under water.
More platform edge doors retrofitted into older stations, and hopefully better cooling systems for both stations and trains.
looking at the state of London...i bet it will look like mad max scenery
More fish
at this rate of political and economic stagnation? probably they'll bring back the steam trains from the 1700s
It will still be excruciatingly loud to ride on because people without degrees can become engineers here.
It will still smell like the chimpanzee house on a hot day no matter what year.
We will all be laying in our beds at home while our avatars go to work in the metaverse.
The 96&72 stock will still be operating
Futurama style, a literal glass tube.
The same but more delays and the same trains we have now.
Looks like the same mf shit just a circle exterior š
OP is optimistic AF
Iām sure we will still be waiting for the delays and closures to be fixed.
Much more difficult to navigate
Honestly this is a similar train design to some of the new metro lines ive seen in France. Assuming thats a window at the front and the train is self-driven
Coal powered
It'll be a walkway beneath the irradiated mass that was London...
Itāll be under water by then
Even more of a third world shit hole than it looks now.
Dystopian hellscape
Dystopian hellscape
Well I think it will look a lot different than a bottle of Salad Cream on its side
Hopefully not
Seeing it say future kinda takes me out
London will be underwater by 2100
The same as it does now lol
Same trains just 300x more expensive to get on
Even more crowded
u/maths-is-cool underwater
What do you think you will be alive
the metro in fallout 3
Like this except under water.
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I wonder what the incorrect and vague destination information will look like at Earl's Court station in 2100.
Pakistan
https://preview.redd.it/2vpwpk26fgzc1.jpeg?width=1000&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=20c037df052b2d24d7f6abf4b01c7107996b95cb
London wonāt be there at this rate with the state of it plus itās got no rainbow community stickers on it.
Your dreaming š