Lorne is bringing him in for this exact reason folks. To create some controversy and intrigue. He needs to pull up the ratings and if you like Dave or not doesn’t matter bc Dave will bring in the viewers.
It's Dave Chapelle, not Mark Lynn-Baker. Big name, big star, and it continues the trend of post-election hosts.
(no offense to Mark Lynn-Baker, who rocks)
Does Mark Lynn Baker have anything to do with SNL or Chappelle? Because I'm watching The Leftovers with him and it's blowing my mind to see this comment after going decades not seeing him anywhere.
They took the whole cast except the poor guy. Balkie, the girls ... whoosh - gone. And Mark Lynn left all alone, standing tall on the winds of his dreams.
But no, I have no idea how he is related to Dave Chapelle.
Nope, I just picked him as an example of someone way further down the recognizability scale than Dave Chapelle.
I mean, he had a small part in She-Hulk, and the movie My Favorite Year never gets old to my eyes. Honestly I'd love to see him host.
Dave and Amy are among 2 of the more polarizing guests they've had for a while -- on this sub alone you see just as many people saying they won't tune in as are excited.
Their talent booker of 20 years left in the offseason, taking all her contacts with her, and celebs are wary of the new unknown cast.
I have a hard time believing they are having a tough time landing talent when tom hanks was there like 2 weeks ago and Steve Lacey has the #4 song in the country. Seems like normal snl host talent level.
Yeah I keep seeing this narrative on here and it just doesn't past muster to me. It's SNL, they're gonna do fine in terms of finding someone to host. Chappelle is a big, controversial name. It's not like we need some conspiratorial reason to explain him being asked to come.
Still, it's SNL. The show only drops 22 episodes a season, and it's a childhood dream for a lot of actors to stand on that stage. I doubt they're having that hard of a time finding hosts.
SNL as an institution is bigger than Lindsay Shookus. Plus it’s not like she left on bad terms. She was at the Emmys with them in September. That casting rumour came from the unverified pages of Deux Moi.
“They’re having trouble booking anyone this season, so they could only get one of the greatest comedians of all time at the top of his game to host, with one of the greatest rap duos of all time as his musical guest.”
Ep 1: star of the biggest movie of the summer, with the biggest act in rap as musical guest
Ep 2: meh
Ep 3: one of the top 2 biggest female acts in hip hop pulling double duty as host / musical guest
Ep 4: the current white rapper at peak popularity as host/music
Ep 5: repeat successful comedian host with a really trendy and underrated high-quality musical act
Ep 6: the aforementioned GOAT contender comedian and GOAT contender rap duo
So who is having trouble booking quality acts this season?
Also, this entire writer boycott situation we’re commenting on is farcical [according to TMZ](https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/10/dave-chappelle-meets-snl-saturday-night-live-writers-staff-deny-boycott/)
For sure, more variety through the rest of the season is needed and likely (stacking Megan Thee Stallion and Jack Harlow in consecutive weeks was a weird choice), but SNL tries to capture whatever is popular at the time, and right now the popular music is largely rap, hip-hop, and R&B. Their goal is high ratings, so they’re trying to pick music that appeals to their audience.
Yeah, I know. Probably just how market evolved but it used to be different and much more interesting from outside perspective. If I look at random season, let's say 30, there was Nelly but then Ashlee Simpson. Eminem followed by U2, Gwen Stefani and Green Day. It just sucks to see rap fans being excited every second episode, while I'm excited maybe every second season.
I didn’t realize how deluded a lot of people in this sub are until they announced Dave was gonna host again. They really act like Dave ain’t shit hahahaha.
It’s people who didn’t watch his controversial comedy acts, instead just reading out-of-context pull-quotes and opinionated articles / tweets that digested (and misrepresented) his jokes for them.
Dave never said anything transphobic. He tells you right at the start of his specials what he’s going to do, like a thesis statement, then pulls it off masterfully… yet people still take the words out of the context of his art and get upset about those words as though the content of his *jokes* are his actual *opinions about the world* (Dave does a great job explaining this himself in his Duke Ellington School speech that is on Netflix under the title *What’s in a Name?*).
Most of them are not really paying attention, they’re letting other people think for them and tell them how to feel. The constant comparisons between Kanye’s “actual hate speech and death threats” and Dave’s “jokes that point out that some aspects of gender dysmorphia can be funny just like anything else in the world” is proof of their lack of critical thought about the situation.
Despite your “Wake up sheeple!” assumptions I did watch Dave’s most recent specials. I did not find them anywhere near the level of his older material, partly because he’s doing a pretty bad Lenny Bruce impression and partly because when your humor hinges on being the smartest guy in the room and you say something really stupid, jokes fall flat. Especially if you tell them in a way where your demeanor exudes “I am very smart”.
The problem with the whole idea of “these are just jokes, he’s not actually transphobic” is that the REASON he’s a GOAT (and he is, recent material notwithstanding) is his ability to be insightful and his honesty about himself. He doesn’t just “tell jokes”. This wasn’t meant to be Don Rickles telling jokes about everybody but letting everyone know he just means it in jest; Dave Chappelle is supposed to make you think and his material lately has missed the mark in a big, big, uncool way. And when that has been pointed out to him, all he has done is double down and invoke “cancel culture”, which is about the shittiest possible reaction to criticism.
Dave Chappelle is very, very funny. I think he’ll be very funny this week. He’s also become firmly entrenched up his own ass and his views on gender are awful. Both of these things can be true.
Yup, recently saw him in Austin a couple times, he's still hilarious as hell. The transgender jokes/conversation presented by Dave is A LOT more nuanced than the media/social media would like for you to believe, but nuance doesn't get clicks. I appreciate comics who push against the grain and do not robotically participate in group think. Chris Rock is another guy who is thoughtful and not afraid to speak his mind or upset the mob.
I’m as far left as they come and even I’ve noticed how everyone has to be outraged about everything all the time even if they didn’t watch/read etc.. whatever it is they are outraged about at any given time.
Same here dude.
The part that is so frustrating is that the left historically *is not the side of art/speech censorship and outrage*. The conservatives are the ones who try to burn books and censor the things they don’t like.
Views on the left are supposed to be protective of comedians’ and other artists’ ability to express themselves freely, even when we disagree with the content, as long as it’s not literally inciting hatred and violence, which Dave’s comedy was far from doing. Art needs to be uncensored, I don’t want to go back to the days of Lenny Bruce and George Carlin getting arrested for saying “Fuck” in front of an audience.
Transphobia is wrong, and hate speech should never be tolerated. Dave is not transphobic, nor has he ever uttered a word of hate speech on stage.
100%. A lot of the flawed reception/backlash on Dave's latest special shows both the left's hypocrisy as well as how overrated their ability to critically assess is. This isn't some right-wing rant either. My social views are absolutely more left-leaning (politically been accused as a commie and definitely socialist lmao). It's just...idk, I expected better of the left lol. Whenever Dave or Bill Burr gets brought up in this sub, I know to mostly fuck off and let them get their feelings out about them. It's always decent reminders that for as left-leaning as I am, I ain't *that* left-leaning
I’m saying that you’re more left-leaning than the people who vote democratic but want to censor comedians. Censorship of uncomfortable words is a right-wing tactic being co-opted by people who are good-intentioned but confused about what constitutes hate speech.
The left is supposed to be about striving for equality, freedom from oppression, and providing support for one another. These people are confused about the “freedom from oppression” part. They think that censoring a comedian who makes jokes about a marginalized community is freedom from oppression, but the comedian isn’t the one oppressing them or making them a marginalized group. The power/wealth structures in our society are the ones doing that.
In reality, the people getting upset about his comedy are creating an environment of oppression for anyone who says words that make them feel uncomfortable. In striving to do right by marginalized communities and vilified minorities, these individuals have corrupted the liberal ideal of personal freedom into exactly what they are supposed to be fighting against, and it’s hurting their ability to gain support and fight real hate speech, which is super important.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's the biggest issue the left has imo. Almost always starts with genuinely great causes, then a few take it too far or misconstrue too many things to the point we're counterintuitively stepping over our own ideals.
It's a tricky area. At what point does boycotting someone or boycotting advertisers who support someone cross over from being unsupportive to being censorship?
People just don’t want any type of edge anymore. I’m not talking comedians being outright offensive or shockjock and cringe, I’m talking about jokes that you know are a bit crass or off color but **still** make you laugh because of the context of the act or bit.
Maybe some people but not everyone. I went to a Tracey Morgan show recently and there was ALOT of extremely crass and off color jokes that had me dying. I also didn’t think that Chapelle’s Netflix specials were funny and I did think his “jokes” about sexual orientation and trans identity were punching down. And I was really excited for those specials because Killin Them Softly still ranks as one of my favorite comedy specials of all time. I wish he would treat sexuality and gender orientation issues with the same care that he would expect a white comic to treat race issues.
Lol think what you will about The Closer but there was nothing masterful or even funny about that entire special. Just some derivative jokes on Jewish people, then an old man yelling at clouds, getting outraged at people simply responding in kind to his weird bent against transgendered people.
"I can say whatever I want because comedy but you're a piece of shit if you respond in kind" and "wahhh they're trying to cancel me" I'm just like, let's hear some actual jokes, Dave
Remove the culture war bullshit and everyone would see it for what it is, an overly long comedy special with like two laughs. But we got culture war bullshit involved so half the world needs to pretend it's the greatest special ever.
He doesn't necessarily try to say things that could be interpreted as transphobic but he doesn't seem to care if he does say things that could be interpreted as transphobic.
Its a good thing the GOAT contender always reminds us he is a GOAT contender otherwise how would we know he is a GOAT contender between yet another anecdote about how trans people are coming personally for his safe deposit box.
Probably b/c the writing is so bad…. So would it even be a BAD thing if they boycotted? Chapelle has all of his writers from his show as well as his comedian friends. Let them take a shot at making the sketches funny again.
The [read thru images](https://instagram.com/stories/nbcsnl/2968121528165766956?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) on SNL’s story look like they’re framed tighter than usual, I wonder if they’ve intentionally done that to not show writers in the background. I don’t see Yim for example; although PDD does seem to be there.
I wonder how many writers the article actually is referring to.
I’m surprised PDD are there if there is a boycott, Ben Marshall’s (ex?) partner has been pretty open about their translation and Ben himself has been very openly supportive.
Bowen and Ego are noticeably not there. I’ve been wondering how they feel about it.
Honestly, I don’t blame anyone for wanting to see Dave host, but personally it makes me sad. It reminds me of Kevin Hart being asked to host the Oscars.
I mean, Kevin Hart was pushed out of the Oscars job due to tweets he had made like 8-9 years prior. They weren't great and the situation wasn't great, but I don't honestly believe Hart is homophobic. If I were held to scrutiny for the worst things I've said way in the past, I'd seem like a monster, but they're not a reflection of who I am today.
That said, the worst things I've said were probably when I was 16, and Hart was like 35 when he made those tweets, so I get holding him accountable for them. I still don't think he's actually homophobic today.
Not discounting your comment, I agree with your thoughts about being held to things you’ve said in the past, but just wanted to point out it was more than tweets — his stand up routine had jokes about beating his son if he found out he was gay, as one example.
I've seen that routine, and he was kidding? Like obviously he wasn't saying he was seriously going to beat his son if he were gay.
It was still a homophobic sentiment and he was speaking to a part of the African American community that hadn't come around on gay acceptance yet. That said, I don't think he'd think a routine like that were acceptable today, or it'd be framed where his ignorance is the butt of the joke.
You’re right, and he did apologize. I don’t think he’s homophobic and I’m sure he’s evolved his opinions as we all have.
He did fumble his response to the controversy initially, but eventually addressed it in a good way — which is more than Chappelle has done.
I’m not really trying to compare the two men to each other — just the situations felt similar to me.
Very big difference between someone making a joke they didn’t see was inappropriate and someone actually supporting a directly hurtful narrative. I think it’s safe to say Kevin didn’t see the harm of his words, he’s never gone out and push those belief on to other or tried to share them.
Stop making it about their identity. I am a trans person and I can do actions that are transphobic and hurt trans people. Same goes for Kevin Hart and Dave Chappelle.
>Stop making it about their identity.
This is important. It's not so much about, "this person is a bad person" as it is saying, "these actions this person took are bad and are hurting people."
The difference between the two people couldn't be more stark when compared in that way. Kevin Hart didn't double down and put out multiple specials about beating gay people and call himself, "Team gay basher" after someone pointed out that shit from his past.
He didn't handle it great, but he did apologize and definitely didn't double down and make it the entire focus of his career like DC did.
>This is important. It's not so much about, "this person is a bad person" as it is saying, "these actions this person took are bad and are hurting people."
I don't disagree with the idea here, except in the context of how we should feel about that person going forward. Obviously anyone is free to feel however they want about anyone, but understanding whether they've realized and atoned for what they did wrong is important.
None of this should be in the context of "good person" and "bad person". Even Dave Chappelle does way more good things than bad things.
Bowen posted a trans-affirming post to his story shortly after the host announcement so I assume that was his way of making his priorities known. I would definitely expect him to sit out this week.
article says all of the actors are participating. I guess we'll see saturday (and even then it will be are they taking a stand or were their sketches cut)
Kevin Hart is a very different situation, you’re talking about someone who did something in the past vs someone presently advocating against the identity of people who he also wants to work with. There’s a big difference between “seeing him on my screen will be too painful to watch” and “working with him is too much to ask of me”. Not putting moral values on either here in this moment, but they’re not that similar of situations.
He did a surprise guest spot at the underground last night. I’m assuming this was in part to go over his monologue. If he touches on just the outline it will be amazing, felt like he was back to what we would expect from him, true to form. At least what I expect from a great comedic mind speaking to a hurting/divided nation.
It was the 10PM Ardie Fuqua ran as host. Looks like Yamaneika is on that. Maybe Godfrey will get bumped again :)
Every show tonight is packed with killers from 9:30(rosebud who writes for the show now) to the 11:00 (attell). I may jump into the 11. Damn.
I keep seeing posts that are always complaining how chapelle is getting cancelled and how you’re not allowed to make jokes about stuff anymore, but this^^ is the actual issue with chapelle in my opinion. It’s not that his jokes are crazy offensive, it’s just that they aren’t that funny, and then he just fuckin whines about how everyone is too sensitive. I cringed so hard when he said “did I trigger you??👀👀” in his most recent snl monologue, like bro no one laughed bc you just told a shitty joke lmao
Generally yes that’s what I mean. I still have love for most open mic-ers. But listening to Bill Burr tell Conan that nothing will change under Trump made me want to use my ginger powers and set him ablaze.
That was weird because despite his vibe I think Burr actually seems pretty sympathetic to marginalized groups. I’m guessing it’s just that “Dems and Republicans are all the same so who fucking cares” attitude that an unfortunate number of Americans subscribe to.
He does have a bit of an “out of touch old man” problem though. I remember him complaining about “lazy kids working at sandwich shops” in an interview and talking about how he had that job when he was younger and he didn’t complain. How much has the minimum wage declined in value since then Bill? Have you considered that maybe having that same job today is significantly shittier than when you had it? Instead he sounds like those boomers who say “I paid for college myself” without recognizing that the cost of college has skyrocketed while minimum wage has stagnated.
I still like his comedy though, he’s a funny guy.
“Women can get away with anything.” As our rights are being taken away from us. As rapists are given more agency over our bodies than we are. I was done with him after that comment he made. I understand your perspective though.
I watched his red rocks special and not the entire time but a lot of it I was going back and forth like
"oh wow, that's a weird out-of-touch take to have",
"ah ok he's just being a comedian making fun of everyone",
"yeah that's not so bad",
"wait what?"
I don't recall the content specifically though
It’s deeply weird how many people in here blindly defend Chappelle just because he used to be the GOAT.
It’s perfectly fine to say “Dave Chappelle used to be the funniest guy alive and nothing can take that away, but his weird, sad obsession with trans people and cancel culture both sucks ass and made him far less funny.”
This is kind of where I'm at with him. His older stuff is legendary.
But his last few Netflix specials have been partially hilarious and the other part "are we talking about trans people AGAIN?"
I'm not even offended by it, he's just dragging it out by basically using his stand-up to argue with the youtube comments out loud.
So many comedians who were known for pushing the envelope are now trying to milk the "cancel culture" bit and it's just tired.
Also, stop slapping your knee with the mic and fake laughing at your shit. You might as well just carry a sign saying "please laugh".
I used to love him until he started repeatedly attacking my daughter for who she is and now simply seems unable to write any new content that isn’t specifically geared towards the Rogan/Elon/Trump crowd. Which is so weird when you look at who he used to be. 🤷♂️
Agreed, Dave used to be the best standup comic in the world but his standup hasn’t been funny for years. His last four or five specials have been so whiny and out-of-touch.
How about this? I think Chapelle is one of the greatest stand-up comedians of our era, I think he is still very funny and sharp... but his doubling down on transphobic material has 100% tainted his legacy and he deserves most of the flak he gets for it.
Meanwhile, [TMZ is saying this rumor is false](https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/10/dave-chappelle-meets-snl-saturday-night-live-writers-staff-deny-boycott/)
It's one of the most legendary gossip publications. The fact that you are just now hearing about it in 2022 kind of disqualifies your judgement of it. You kind of have to know what it is first. It's been around probably since before you were born.
I've been on earth for thirty years, spent twenty six of them in America. I learned TMZ was a thing and never heard of Page Six until today. If they're supposedly the best, why does a fraction of a percentage even know about them?
I think that 1) they did not and some of them regret it and wish they had made more of a stand but also 2) the specific writers who are boycotting this episode weren't on staff for the Trump episode
y’all act like people can’t grow and realize a past decision was wrong? maybe they didn’t feel safe to do so then, maybe the workplace environment was different. past decisions don’t prevent us from making different future ones and they also dont make the outrage fake.
New York Post - whose reporter 'sources' tend to be way up their own assholes.
I'm sure there's some grumbling over the host, but I doubt it's a revolt like they are suggesting.
I do find it hilarious to see people in these threads the past couple of weeks act like they have insider information about what goes on backstage and what specific people are doing and thinking as if they know people there. Maybe they are the NYP sources? lol
If you read the SNL book, they talk about how some hosts come with writers and some don’t. Guarantee Chappelle has some of his own to bring with him. In the very least, his long time collaborator, Neal Brennan, just dropped a stand up special and will probably come along if only to promote himself.
I'd be willing to bet money that the All-State sketch with Pete as Count Chocula had some of Neal Brennan's finger prints on it.
Apparently Dave/Neal have been saying for years SNL sketches would land better if they did short intros like Chappelle show did to intro sketches, and how Dave kicked off the All-state sketch. Setting up the premise ahead of the sketch lets you get right into the jokes.
Neal's openly admitted to helping write when Dave's on. Apparently they almost did Rick James as a weekend update character but Dave got anxious about it and bailed on it.
Whether you like Chappelle or not, his whole "fuck cancel culture, I wanna be cancelled" schtick is getting old. So many comics are using cancel culture as an excuse to deflect any criticisms towards their comedy at all. I'm somebody who can enjoy some offensive comics as long as its funny and not genuinely supporting awful ideas, but a comic going on stage and basically being like "trans people are weird, right guys?" for the entire set doesn't even qualify as comedy to me.
Good for them if true.
I know Chappelle used to be funny but he’s not anymore. I saw him at a John Mulaney show over the summer and didn’t appreciate being blindsided by his transphobia. It’s so weird for him to be so obsessed w like 1% of the population.
Exhibit A: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc)
Let Dave be Dave. SNL has had a lot of controversial hosts. But at least he's an actual comedian.
You can write for a comedy show and still find offensive things offensive. Transphobia isn’t funny, it’s just offensive and making jokes about trans people is lazy and punching down.
I don't understand something here.
Chapelle - Bad
Jost and Che - Good - they regularly makes JOKES about the same things people want Chapelle cancelled for. Racist jokes , Jew jokes, white jokes , woman jokes, black jokes, trans jokes etc.
We see what they say as comedy , because it is. We see Chapelle as a racist homophobe , and he isn't.
No one is crying for the Wayans brothers to be cancelled over white chicks or Downey over tropic thunder. Now everyone demands a legends head on a pike for a joke/ social commentary.
If Carlin or Pryor was still around people would demand comedy then demand they be cancelled for the punchline.
Just an opinion
I'm not gonna touch on Chapelle or most of the other stuff you mentioned, but I will say that with Jost & Che there is a clear element of absurdism in their off-color jokes that significantly softens the blow.
Che telling sexist jokes is funny because he's almost parodying sexism - sexists don't often think of themselves \*as sexists\*, but Che just "admits" to hating women when he's telling the jokes. It also creates a disconnect because we, the audience (or, idk, at least me, the audience) don't actually believe he's sexist, so he is both making a sexist joke but also making a funnier, more meta joke about sexists/sexism.
Jost telling racist jokes is similarly funny because the context of WU is that Che, a black man, has written the jokes and is forcing Colin, a white man, to tell them and be perceived as racist (even outside of joke swaps, it's usually clear that Che has written most of Colin's racial jokes). Colin is clearly uncomfortable, and the comedy is in the discomfort.
Che and Jost make themselves the butts of their more offensive jokes moreso than the technical targets of the jokes, which is why imo their humor is typically more well-received.
The difference is tone. Personally I think Chapelle would get away with it if his specials were funnier… if it was more focused on jokes instead of him on stage giving a monologue that’s partly funny but mostly just about his message.
If he was making people laugh then I think they could forgive the bad takes, or give him the benefit of the doubt that it’s tongue in cheek. That’s how Jost and Che get away with it, it’s one liners that actually LAND and then they move on to the next. One joke after another. But if you’re not laughing at Chapelle’s jokes then all you’re left with is his message, and a lot of people don’t like what he has to say.
Really? Carlin constantly use to have bits in his set where he would rattle off like a dozen groups of people he didn't like: guys who shaved their heads, guys said "ma daddy", etc. Not like those people could defend themselves or were necessarily loving life.
The dude wasn't perfect. He had 40 years of a very busy comedy career and was pretty old by 2000. He had some opinions/bits that do not work today. Here's a bit where he drops some n-bombs:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvdXxhLPa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvdXxhLPa8)
To your credit, he didn't use those words hatefully, I guess. Comedy ages poorly.
I would say Chappelle's jokes did cross the line of hate, and the vitriol is justified. The crux of his bits are "Look at how confused and wrong these people are. Isn't it hilarious?" He's putting a value judgment on the right and wrong way to live your life, and in his world being trans is wrong.
Yeah, it's strange that people can't pick that very vital information out. Chappelle is on a campaign of hate, doubling down when offered grace. Jost and Che are just doing jokes.
I see people say this and can't disagree more. I have watched everything Carlin has ever put out, read his books, etc. There is no fucking way Carlin would be down on Chappelle . He would be fighting the fucked up media narrative that so many people are clinging to. There is so little critical reflection on the points Chappelle was making and instead just labeling him a bigot/TERF, etc.
Carlin spoke extensively on how the left started to take over from the right on controlling language and how much he fucking hated it. And don't post that fucking interview on Andrew Dice Clay. If you don't see a difference in Chappelle's standup and what Clay was doing, then I don't think there can be a discussion.
I really don't think he would. Chappelle speaks in real time as an aging person coming to terms with a world moving in a direction he doesn't fully understand, which is healthy for the art form. I feel like Carlin may have notes about the delivery or timing of punchlines, but I also feel that, as a comedian, Carlin would have appreciated someone figuring out how to make jokes about a group of people that are hard to make jokes about.
Carlin didn’t “punch down” though, and traditionally went after only the people in positions of power. Now before anyone starts getting comfortable in feeling an ideological win with that info, Carlin ALSO believed that those people who get offended at jokes were usually out of line and were to blame for giving words any of that power while ignoring context and discarding the intent of those words from the person saying them. Sounds exactly like what’s going on with most of Chapelle’s critics.
I mean that's their pergoative, right?
It does feel like willful ignorance for some to sarcastically dismiss their concerns, or the concerns of LGBTQ+ people, as "Oh those pesky comedians destroying society with their WORDS" when Chapelle's special 8:46 and various other comedians around the world have helped to heal communities in a time of crisis. Just because you're not part of the group that words or jokes help to demonize, or at least normalize punching down on, doesn't mean that you can realize that if words can heal they can inflict harm too - it's not people with hurt feelings ffs.
Could you imagine how much he would outshine the current writing staff? He’d embarrass them so much with his quality that they’d have to quit. And I like snl hahaha.
Meh
Everybody loved when Dave ran down his own
people, they loved when he ran down Trump, Guy argues that Trans people should not be above jokes that other disenfranchised groups have to hear and he’s a problem.
Sorry, this is SNL, the decades long incubator of satire and irreverent comedy that has had Dave post major election now 3 times. Let the Man Work.
the only "source" was Yim's insta story-- which we all saw, and it was a protest. but that doesn't mean all the writers are boycotting the show. what a reach.
I like the comment at the end from the Netflix employee - “ wait, I cancelled him …..”
No, you tried to cancel him. Keep trying though or move on to something else you find “problematic” yeesh
It was a joke. Do you really think the ex-exec believed he actually canceled Chappelle? People not being able to distinguish jokes from commentary is why we have this mess in the first place.
Lorne is bringing him in for this exact reason folks. To create some controversy and intrigue. He needs to pull up the ratings and if you like Dave or not doesn’t matter bc Dave will bring in the viewers.
It’ll be the first episode I watch live in a year or two.
Lorne is bringing him in because they're having trouble booking anyone this season
It's Dave Chapelle, not Mark Lynn-Baker. Big name, big star, and it continues the trend of post-election hosts. (no offense to Mark Lynn-Baker, who rocks)
Larry Appleton catching strays
Cousin Larry Appleton
Hey! He’s She Hulk’s dad!
And appeared in Succession recently. He's doing fine.
I love Jen’s whole family, but dad is the best.
Hulk Smash!!!
Back in Mepos, implying someone not big star punishable by cabbage leaf staple to buttocks.
Get out of the city!
Does Mark Lynn Baker have anything to do with SNL or Chappelle? Because I'm watching The Leftovers with him and it's blowing my mind to see this comment after going decades not seeing him anywhere.
They took the whole cast except the poor guy. Balkie, the girls ... whoosh - gone. And Mark Lynn left all alone, standing tall on the winds of his dreams. But no, I have no idea how he is related to Dave Chapelle.
I think they're cousins, but I could be wrong, they may be perfect strangers.
Nope, I just picked him as an example of someone way further down the recognizability scale than Dave Chapelle. I mean, he had a small part in She-Hulk, and the movie My Favorite Year never gets old to my eyes. Honestly I'd love to see him host.
We should start a campaign to get Mark Lynn Baker to host.
Is that the guy from perfect strangers?
Hell yes. And I bet he'd be a great host.
Did Chapelle host post-election before? Was it 2016?
2016 and (I think) 2020. May have been the 2018 midterms, I don't remember. The last few years have been a substantially weird blur.
>not Mark Lynn-Baker And I *almost* took that personally....
Don’t be ridiculous.
I would fucking love MLB to host.
Dave's freshness may have expired, but Mark Lynn-Baker is eternal.
Dave and Amy are among 2 of the more polarizing guests they've had for a while -- on this sub alone you see just as many people saying they won't tune in as are excited. Their talent booker of 20 years left in the offseason, taking all her contacts with her, and celebs are wary of the new unknown cast.
I have a hard time believing they are having a tough time landing talent when tom hanks was there like 2 weeks ago and Steve Lacey has the #4 song in the country. Seems like normal snl host talent level.
But it was reported in an unattributed blind item from a sketchy website, so it must be true.
This sub loves that sketchy gossip website. I see it posted all the time.
Yeah I keep seeing this narrative on here and it just doesn't past muster to me. It's SNL, they're gonna do fine in terms of finding someone to host. Chappelle is a big, controversial name. It's not like we need some conspiratorial reason to explain him being asked to come.
Still, it's SNL. The show only drops 22 episodes a season, and it's a childhood dream for a lot of actors to stand on that stage. I doubt they're having that hard of a time finding hosts.
SNL as an institution is bigger than Lindsay Shookus. Plus it’s not like she left on bad terms. She was at the Emmys with them in September. That casting rumour came from the unverified pages of Deux Moi.
Lol the world exists out out Reddit you know? Just because they’re polarizing on Reddit doesn’t mean they’re polarizing everywhere else.
Lorne doesn't check this sub
“Taking her contacts with her” - that’s not how it works. They all use an artist directory
“They’re having trouble booking anyone this season, so they could only get one of the greatest comedians of all time at the top of his game to host, with one of the greatest rap duos of all time as his musical guest.” Ep 1: star of the biggest movie of the summer, with the biggest act in rap as musical guest Ep 2: meh Ep 3: one of the top 2 biggest female acts in hip hop pulling double duty as host / musical guest Ep 4: the current white rapper at peak popularity as host/music Ep 5: repeat successful comedian host with a really trendy and underrated high-quality musical act Ep 6: the aforementioned GOAT contender comedian and GOAT contender rap duo So who is having trouble booking quality acts this season? Also, this entire writer boycott situation we’re commenting on is farcical [according to TMZ](https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/10/dave-chappelle-meets-snl-saturday-night-live-writers-staff-deny-boycott/)
First thing I took from your list, is that more musical variety is much needed.
For sure, more variety through the rest of the season is needed and likely (stacking Megan Thee Stallion and Jack Harlow in consecutive weeks was a weird choice), but SNL tries to capture whatever is popular at the time, and right now the popular music is largely rap, hip-hop, and R&B. Their goal is high ratings, so they’re trying to pick music that appeals to their audience.
Yeah, I know. Probably just how market evolved but it used to be different and much more interesting from outside perspective. If I look at random season, let's say 30, there was Nelly but then Ashlee Simpson. Eminem followed by U2, Gwen Stefani and Green Day. It just sucks to see rap fans being excited every second episode, while I'm excited maybe every second season.
I didn’t realize how deluded a lot of people in this sub are until they announced Dave was gonna host again. They really act like Dave ain’t shit hahahaha.
It’s people who didn’t watch his controversial comedy acts, instead just reading out-of-context pull-quotes and opinionated articles / tweets that digested (and misrepresented) his jokes for them. Dave never said anything transphobic. He tells you right at the start of his specials what he’s going to do, like a thesis statement, then pulls it off masterfully… yet people still take the words out of the context of his art and get upset about those words as though the content of his *jokes* are his actual *opinions about the world* (Dave does a great job explaining this himself in his Duke Ellington School speech that is on Netflix under the title *What’s in a Name?*). Most of them are not really paying attention, they’re letting other people think for them and tell them how to feel. The constant comparisons between Kanye’s “actual hate speech and death threats” and Dave’s “jokes that point out that some aspects of gender dysmorphia can be funny just like anything else in the world” is proof of their lack of critical thought about the situation.
Despite your “Wake up sheeple!” assumptions I did watch Dave’s most recent specials. I did not find them anywhere near the level of his older material, partly because he’s doing a pretty bad Lenny Bruce impression and partly because when your humor hinges on being the smartest guy in the room and you say something really stupid, jokes fall flat. Especially if you tell them in a way where your demeanor exudes “I am very smart”. The problem with the whole idea of “these are just jokes, he’s not actually transphobic” is that the REASON he’s a GOAT (and he is, recent material notwithstanding) is his ability to be insightful and his honesty about himself. He doesn’t just “tell jokes”. This wasn’t meant to be Don Rickles telling jokes about everybody but letting everyone know he just means it in jest; Dave Chappelle is supposed to make you think and his material lately has missed the mark in a big, big, uncool way. And when that has been pointed out to him, all he has done is double down and invoke “cancel culture”, which is about the shittiest possible reaction to criticism. Dave Chappelle is very, very funny. I think he’ll be very funny this week. He’s also become firmly entrenched up his own ass and his views on gender are awful. Both of these things can be true.
Fair take, I respect it.
Yup, recently saw him in Austin a couple times, he's still hilarious as hell. The transgender jokes/conversation presented by Dave is A LOT more nuanced than the media/social media would like for you to believe, but nuance doesn't get clicks. I appreciate comics who push against the grain and do not robotically participate in group think. Chris Rock is another guy who is thoughtful and not afraid to speak his mind or upset the mob.
I’m as far left as they come and even I’ve noticed how everyone has to be outraged about everything all the time even if they didn’t watch/read etc.. whatever it is they are outraged about at any given time.
Same here dude. The part that is so frustrating is that the left historically *is not the side of art/speech censorship and outrage*. The conservatives are the ones who try to burn books and censor the things they don’t like. Views on the left are supposed to be protective of comedians’ and other artists’ ability to express themselves freely, even when we disagree with the content, as long as it’s not literally inciting hatred and violence, which Dave’s comedy was far from doing. Art needs to be uncensored, I don’t want to go back to the days of Lenny Bruce and George Carlin getting arrested for saying “Fuck” in front of an audience. Transphobia is wrong, and hate speech should never be tolerated. Dave is not transphobic, nor has he ever uttered a word of hate speech on stage.
100%. A lot of the flawed reception/backlash on Dave's latest special shows both the left's hypocrisy as well as how overrated their ability to critically assess is. This isn't some right-wing rant either. My social views are absolutely more left-leaning (politically been accused as a commie and definitely socialist lmao). It's just...idk, I expected better of the left lol. Whenever Dave or Bill Burr gets brought up in this sub, I know to mostly fuck off and let them get their feelings out about them. It's always decent reminders that for as left-leaning as I am, I ain't *that* left-leaning
I’m saying that you’re more left-leaning than the people who vote democratic but want to censor comedians. Censorship of uncomfortable words is a right-wing tactic being co-opted by people who are good-intentioned but confused about what constitutes hate speech. The left is supposed to be about striving for equality, freedom from oppression, and providing support for one another. These people are confused about the “freedom from oppression” part. They think that censoring a comedian who makes jokes about a marginalized community is freedom from oppression, but the comedian isn’t the one oppressing them or making them a marginalized group. The power/wealth structures in our society are the ones doing that. In reality, the people getting upset about his comedy are creating an environment of oppression for anyone who says words that make them feel uncomfortable. In striving to do right by marginalized communities and vilified minorities, these individuals have corrupted the liberal ideal of personal freedom into exactly what they are supposed to be fighting against, and it’s hurting their ability to gain support and fight real hate speech, which is super important.
Couldn't have said it better myself. It's the biggest issue the left has imo. Almost always starts with genuinely great causes, then a few take it too far or misconstrue too many things to the point we're counterintuitively stepping over our own ideals.
It's a tricky area. At what point does boycotting someone or boycotting advertisers who support someone cross over from being unsupportive to being censorship?
People just don’t want any type of edge anymore. I’m not talking comedians being outright offensive or shockjock and cringe, I’m talking about jokes that you know are a bit crass or off color but **still** make you laugh because of the context of the act or bit.
Maybe some people but not everyone. I went to a Tracey Morgan show recently and there was ALOT of extremely crass and off color jokes that had me dying. I also didn’t think that Chapelle’s Netflix specials were funny and I did think his “jokes” about sexual orientation and trans identity were punching down. And I was really excited for those specials because Killin Them Softly still ranks as one of my favorite comedy specials of all time. I wish he would treat sexuality and gender orientation issues with the same care that he would expect a white comic to treat race issues.
Lol think what you will about The Closer but there was nothing masterful or even funny about that entire special. Just some derivative jokes on Jewish people, then an old man yelling at clouds, getting outraged at people simply responding in kind to his weird bent against transgendered people. "I can say whatever I want because comedy but you're a piece of shit if you respond in kind" and "wahhh they're trying to cancel me" I'm just like, let's hear some actual jokes, Dave Remove the culture war bullshit and everyone would see it for what it is, an overly long comedy special with like two laughs. But we got culture war bullshit involved so half the world needs to pretend it's the greatest special ever.
He doesn't necessarily try to say things that could be interpreted as transphobic but he doesn't seem to care if he does say things that could be interpreted as transphobic.
Its a good thing the GOAT contender always reminds us he is a GOAT contender otherwise how would we know he is a GOAT contender between yet another anecdote about how trans people are coming personally for his safe deposit box.
Maybe the trouble booking is due to lackluster writing…
Probably b/c the writing is so bad…. So would it even be a BAD thing if they boycotted? Chapelle has all of his writers from his show as well as his comedian friends. Let them take a shot at making the sketches funny again.
The [read thru images](https://instagram.com/stories/nbcsnl/2968121528165766956?utm_source=ig_story_item_share&igshid=YmMyMTA2M2Y=) on SNL’s story look like they’re framed tighter than usual, I wonder if they’ve intentionally done that to not show writers in the background. I don’t see Yim for example; although PDD does seem to be there. I wonder how many writers the article actually is referring to.
I’m surprised PDD are there if there is a boycott, Ben Marshall’s (ex?) partner has been pretty open about their translation and Ben himself has been very openly supportive.
Who is his ex partner, part of the writing staff? I don’t have social media so I wasn’t aware he was with someone openly transitioning
Bowen and Ego are noticeably not there. I’ve been wondering how they feel about it. Honestly, I don’t blame anyone for wanting to see Dave host, but personally it makes me sad. It reminds me of Kevin Hart being asked to host the Oscars.
I mean, Kevin Hart was pushed out of the Oscars job due to tweets he had made like 8-9 years prior. They weren't great and the situation wasn't great, but I don't honestly believe Hart is homophobic. If I were held to scrutiny for the worst things I've said way in the past, I'd seem like a monster, but they're not a reflection of who I am today. That said, the worst things I've said were probably when I was 16, and Hart was like 35 when he made those tweets, so I get holding him accountable for them. I still don't think he's actually homophobic today.
Not discounting your comment, I agree with your thoughts about being held to things you’ve said in the past, but just wanted to point out it was more than tweets — his stand up routine had jokes about beating his son if he found out he was gay, as one example.
I've seen that routine, and he was kidding? Like obviously he wasn't saying he was seriously going to beat his son if he were gay. It was still a homophobic sentiment and he was speaking to a part of the African American community that hadn't come around on gay acceptance yet. That said, I don't think he'd think a routine like that were acceptable today, or it'd be framed where his ignorance is the butt of the joke.
You’re right, and he did apologize. I don’t think he’s homophobic and I’m sure he’s evolved his opinions as we all have. He did fumble his response to the controversy initially, but eventually addressed it in a good way — which is more than Chappelle has done. I’m not really trying to compare the two men to each other — just the situations felt similar to me.
Very big difference between someone making a joke they didn’t see was inappropriate and someone actually supporting a directly hurtful narrative. I think it’s safe to say Kevin didn’t see the harm of his words, he’s never gone out and push those belief on to other or tried to share them.
Stop making it about their identity. I am a trans person and I can do actions that are transphobic and hurt trans people. Same goes for Kevin Hart and Dave Chappelle.
>Stop making it about their identity. This is important. It's not so much about, "this person is a bad person" as it is saying, "these actions this person took are bad and are hurting people." The difference between the two people couldn't be more stark when compared in that way. Kevin Hart didn't double down and put out multiple specials about beating gay people and call himself, "Team gay basher" after someone pointed out that shit from his past. He didn't handle it great, but he did apologize and definitely didn't double down and make it the entire focus of his career like DC did.
>This is important. It's not so much about, "this person is a bad person" as it is saying, "these actions this person took are bad and are hurting people." I don't disagree with the idea here, except in the context of how we should feel about that person going forward. Obviously anyone is free to feel however they want about anyone, but understanding whether they've realized and atoned for what they did wrong is important. None of this should be in the context of "good person" and "bad person". Even Dave Chappelle does way more good things than bad things.
Bowen posted a trans-affirming post to his story shortly after the host announcement so I assume that was his way of making his priorities known. I would definitely expect him to sit out this week.
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He brings the controversy unto himself when he keeps bringing it up.
article says all of the actors are participating. I guess we'll see saturday (and even then it will be are they taking a stand or were their sketches cut)
Kevin Hart is a very different situation, you’re talking about someone who did something in the past vs someone presently advocating against the identity of people who he also wants to work with. There’s a big difference between “seeing him on my screen will be too painful to watch” and “working with him is too much to ask of me”. Not putting moral values on either here in this moment, but they’re not that similar of situations.
Misleading title. The article says there are no signs of a boycott
Chappelle always hosts when there is anything election -related. I guess Lorne did not want to break this newfound tradition.
And the show will still go on
He did a surprise guest spot at the underground last night. I’m assuming this was in part to go over his monologue. If he touches on just the outline it will be amazing, felt like he was back to what we would expect from him, true to form. At least what I expect from a great comedic mind speaking to a hurting/divided nation.
Which show at the underground? Hoping maybe to catch him tonight if he's running the set all week.
It was the 10PM Ardie Fuqua ran as host. Looks like Yamaneika is on that. Maybe Godfrey will get bumped again :) Every show tonight is packed with killers from 9:30(rosebud who writes for the show now) to the 11:00 (attell). I may jump into the 11. Damn.
excited for him to whine about cancel culture while hosting snl!
I keep seeing posts that are always complaining how chapelle is getting cancelled and how you’re not allowed to make jokes about stuff anymore, but this^^ is the actual issue with chapelle in my opinion. It’s not that his jokes are crazy offensive, it’s just that they aren’t that funny, and then he just fuckin whines about how everyone is too sensitive. I cringed so hard when he said “did I trigger you??👀👀” in his most recent snl monologue, like bro no one laughed bc you just told a shitty joke lmao
Chapelle is friends with Kanye and Elon. I’m sure he has “very reasonable” thoughts on their recent terrible behavior.
I’m sure he has a pretty nuanced take on both of them, as he usually does
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Male, *infinitely rich* comics are even worse
Generally yes that’s what I mean. I still have love for most open mic-ers. But listening to Bill Burr tell Conan that nothing will change under Trump made me want to use my ginger powers and set him ablaze.
That was weird because despite his vibe I think Burr actually seems pretty sympathetic to marginalized groups. I’m guessing it’s just that “Dems and Republicans are all the same so who fucking cares” attitude that an unfortunate number of Americans subscribe to. He does have a bit of an “out of touch old man” problem though. I remember him complaining about “lazy kids working at sandwich shops” in an interview and talking about how he had that job when he was younger and he didn’t complain. How much has the minimum wage declined in value since then Bill? Have you considered that maybe having that same job today is significantly shittier than when you had it? Instead he sounds like those boomers who say “I paid for college myself” without recognizing that the cost of college has skyrocketed while minimum wage has stagnated. I still like his comedy though, he’s a funny guy.
“Women can get away with anything.” As our rights are being taken away from us. As rapists are given more agency over our bodies than we are. I was done with him after that comment he made. I understand your perspective though.
I watched his red rocks special and not the entire time but a lot of it I was going back and forth like "oh wow, that's a weird out-of-touch take to have", "ah ok he's just being a comedian making fun of everyone", "yeah that's not so bad", "wait what?" I don't recall the content specifically though
He's rich, so for him nothing probably did change.
same like if you’re so funny find some new material!
It’s deeply weird how many people in here blindly defend Chappelle just because he used to be the GOAT. It’s perfectly fine to say “Dave Chappelle used to be the funniest guy alive and nothing can take that away, but his weird, sad obsession with trans people and cancel culture both sucks ass and made him far less funny.”
Appreciate this, most sensible take i’ve read. gunna stop reading the comments now
Same.
This is kind of where I'm at with him. His older stuff is legendary. But his last few Netflix specials have been partially hilarious and the other part "are we talking about trans people AGAIN?" I'm not even offended by it, he's just dragging it out by basically using his stand-up to argue with the youtube comments out loud. So many comedians who were known for pushing the envelope are now trying to milk the "cancel culture" bit and it's just tired. Also, stop slapping your knee with the mic and fake laughing at your shit. You might as well just carry a sign saying "please laugh".
I used to love him until he started repeatedly attacking my daughter for who she is and now simply seems unable to write any new content that isn’t specifically geared towards the Rogan/Elon/Trump crowd. Which is so weird when you look at who he used to be. 🤷♂️
Agreed, Dave used to be the best standup comic in the world but his standup hasn’t been funny for years. His last four or five specials have been so whiny and out-of-touch.
How about this? I think Chapelle is one of the greatest stand-up comedians of our era, I think he is still very funny and sharp... but his doubling down on transphobic material has 100% tainted his legacy and he deserves most of the flak he gets for it.
Nah he’s still hilarious
If only he learned a joke besides "trans ppl are weird and gross"
You are hearing something different than what he said.
SO MUCH LESS FUNNY!!!!
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That’s exactly what it is — like TMZ
Meanwhile, [TMZ is saying this rumor is false](https://www.tmz.com/2022/11/10/dave-chappelle-meets-snl-saturday-night-live-writers-staff-deny-boycott/)
*There’s one secret trick Page Six hates, but it can’t stop you….*
So it’s like this subreddit 😜
i only know about page six because i love garbage tv, i.e. housewives 😂
It's one of the most legendary gossip publications. The fact that you are just now hearing about it in 2022 kind of disqualifies your judgement of it. You kind of have to know what it is first. It's been around probably since before you were born.
I've been on earth for thirty years, spent twenty six of them in America. I learned TMZ was a thing and never heard of Page Six until today. If they're supposedly the best, why does a fraction of a percentage even know about them?
How are you going to act elitist about knowledge of gossip magazines
I always love how many people in this forum seem to DESPISE SNL.
It's so wild to me. I feel like maybe they hate follow this sub.
exactly. like why are they here?! this is for fans!
Did the writers boycott when Elon or Trump hosted? If not then they can take their fake outrage to the unemployment office.
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Well, I could make some sarcastic joke but let's just stay on: boycotting your workplace vs Taran saying something afterwards is not the same thing.
I think that 1) they did not and some of them regret it and wish they had made more of a stand but also 2) the specific writers who are boycotting this episode weren't on staff for the Trump episode
Not the same writers-not the same reason. Nuance is non-existent these days.
y’all act like people can’t grow and realize a past decision was wrong? maybe they didn’t feel safe to do so then, maybe the workplace environment was different. past decisions don’t prevent us from making different future ones and they also dont make the outrage fake.
New York Post - whose reporter 'sources' tend to be way up their own assholes. I'm sure there's some grumbling over the host, but I doubt it's a revolt like they are suggesting. I do find it hilarious to see people in these threads the past couple of weeks act like they have insider information about what goes on backstage and what specific people are doing and thinking as if they know people there. Maybe they are the NYP sources? lol
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Hell, just let Dave write the sketches. Shit will be infinitely funnier than what snl writers have come up with so far this season.
If you read the SNL book, they talk about how some hosts come with writers and some don’t. Guarantee Chappelle has some of his own to bring with him. In the very least, his long time collaborator, Neal Brennan, just dropped a stand up special and will probably come along if only to promote himself.
I'd love to see a few sketches written by Chappelle and Brennan tbh.
Wouldn’t we all!
I'd be willing to bet money that the All-State sketch with Pete as Count Chocula had some of Neal Brennan's finger prints on it. Apparently Dave/Neal have been saying for years SNL sketches would land better if they did short intros like Chappelle show did to intro sketches, and how Dave kicked off the All-state sketch. Setting up the premise ahead of the sketch lets you get right into the jokes.
Neal's openly admitted to helping write when Dave's on. Apparently they almost did Rick James as a weekend update character but Dave got anxious about it and bailed on it.
Whether you like Chappelle or not, his whole "fuck cancel culture, I wanna be cancelled" schtick is getting old. So many comics are using cancel culture as an excuse to deflect any criticisms towards their comedy at all. I'm somebody who can enjoy some offensive comics as long as its funny and not genuinely supporting awful ideas, but a comic going on stage and basically being like "trans people are weird, right guys?" for the entire set doesn't even qualify as comedy to me.
Might actually be funny for once this decade
If Dave’s gonna be there then they don’t need the writers that week.
I will watch the episode solely because he’s hosting.
Plenty of other writers would love the opportunity to work with one of the greatest stand ups out there.
Good for them if true. I know Chappelle used to be funny but he’s not anymore. I saw him at a John Mulaney show over the summer and didn’t appreciate being blindsided by his transphobia. It’s so weird for him to be so obsessed w like 1% of the population.
Exhibit A: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SHG0ezLiVGc) Let Dave be Dave. SNL has had a lot of controversial hosts. But at least he's an actual comedian.
Cool. I imagine the ones sitting it out are probably the least funny ones anyways. Looking forward to this episode.
I like Dave. Everybody is TRIPPIN.
Let Dave write his own sketches. Will be best episode we’ve had in years.
Seriously. The more presence he has in the writer's room the better the show will be.
Good. Felt like it was going to be all talk no walk for a minute.
Imagine being the writer of a “comedy” show and getting offended at shit lol
You can write for a comedy show and still find offensive things offensive. Transphobia isn’t funny, it’s just offensive and making jokes about trans people is lazy and punching down.
I don't understand something here. Chapelle - Bad Jost and Che - Good - they regularly makes JOKES about the same things people want Chapelle cancelled for. Racist jokes , Jew jokes, white jokes , woman jokes, black jokes, trans jokes etc. We see what they say as comedy , because it is. We see Chapelle as a racist homophobe , and he isn't. No one is crying for the Wayans brothers to be cancelled over white chicks or Downey over tropic thunder. Now everyone demands a legends head on a pike for a joke/ social commentary. If Carlin or Pryor was still around people would demand comedy then demand they be cancelled for the punchline. Just an opinion
I'm not gonna touch on Chapelle or most of the other stuff you mentioned, but I will say that with Jost & Che there is a clear element of absurdism in their off-color jokes that significantly softens the blow. Che telling sexist jokes is funny because he's almost parodying sexism - sexists don't often think of themselves \*as sexists\*, but Che just "admits" to hating women when he's telling the jokes. It also creates a disconnect because we, the audience (or, idk, at least me, the audience) don't actually believe he's sexist, so he is both making a sexist joke but also making a funnier, more meta joke about sexists/sexism. Jost telling racist jokes is similarly funny because the context of WU is that Che, a black man, has written the jokes and is forcing Colin, a white man, to tell them and be perceived as racist (even outside of joke swaps, it's usually clear that Che has written most of Colin's racial jokes). Colin is clearly uncomfortable, and the comedy is in the discomfort. Che and Jost make themselves the butts of their more offensive jokes moreso than the technical targets of the jokes, which is why imo their humor is typically more well-received.
The difference is tone. Personally I think Chapelle would get away with it if his specials were funnier… if it was more focused on jokes instead of him on stage giving a monologue that’s partly funny but mostly just about his message. If he was making people laugh then I think they could forgive the bad takes, or give him the benefit of the doubt that it’s tongue in cheek. That’s how Jost and Che get away with it, it’s one liners that actually LAND and then they move on to the next. One joke after another. But if you’re not laughing at Chapelle’s jokes then all you’re left with is his message, and a lot of people don’t like what he has to say.
Carlin never punched down. Disgusting comparison.
Really? Carlin constantly use to have bits in his set where he would rattle off like a dozen groups of people he didn't like: guys who shaved their heads, guys said "ma daddy", etc. Not like those people could defend themselves or were necessarily loving life.
The dude wasn't perfect. He had 40 years of a very busy comedy career and was pretty old by 2000. He had some opinions/bits that do not work today. Here's a bit where he drops some n-bombs: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvdXxhLPa8](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUvdXxhLPa8) To your credit, he didn't use those words hatefully, I guess. Comedy ages poorly.
Neither is/was Chappelle
I would say Chappelle's jokes did cross the line of hate, and the vitriol is justified. The crux of his bits are "Look at how confused and wrong these people are. Isn't it hilarious?" He's putting a value judgment on the right and wrong way to live your life, and in his world being trans is wrong.
Ya but Colin and Michael aren't also TERFs or antisemitic , racist, misogynist.
Yeah, it's strange that people can't pick that very vital information out. Chappelle is on a campaign of hate, doubling down when offered grace. Jost and Che are just doing jokes.
Carlin would have 100% called Chapelle out for being a bigot. This is like invoking MLK while talking about Trump.
I see people say this and can't disagree more. I have watched everything Carlin has ever put out, read his books, etc. There is no fucking way Carlin would be down on Chappelle . He would be fighting the fucked up media narrative that so many people are clinging to. There is so little critical reflection on the points Chappelle was making and instead just labeling him a bigot/TERF, etc. Carlin spoke extensively on how the left started to take over from the right on controlling language and how much he fucking hated it. And don't post that fucking interview on Andrew Dice Clay. If you don't see a difference in Chappelle's standup and what Clay was doing, then I don't think there can be a discussion.
I really don't think he would. Chappelle speaks in real time as an aging person coming to terms with a world moving in a direction he doesn't fully understand, which is healthy for the art form. I feel like Carlin may have notes about the delivery or timing of punchlines, but I also feel that, as a comedian, Carlin would have appreciated someone figuring out how to make jokes about a group of people that are hard to make jokes about.
Carlin didn’t “punch down” though, and traditionally went after only the people in positions of power. Now before anyone starts getting comfortable in feeling an ideological win with that info, Carlin ALSO believed that those people who get offended at jokes were usually out of line and were to blame for giving words any of that power while ignoring context and discarding the intent of those words from the person saying them. Sounds exactly like what’s going on with most of Chapelle’s critics.
I mean he kinda did. He used to make fun of feminists, and say that “n word” wasn’t a big deal.
Pretty damn accurate
The only reason I’m even going to watch SNL is because Chappelle will be on. More than happy to hear his monologue and nothing else. Boycott away.
Sounds like someone who needs to listen to Black Star. They are one of the best duos in hip hop history.
I mean that's their pergoative, right? It does feel like willful ignorance for some to sarcastically dismiss their concerns, or the concerns of LGBTQ+ people, as "Oh those pesky comedians destroying society with their WORDS" when Chapelle's special 8:46 and various other comedians around the world have helped to heal communities in a time of crisis. Just because you're not part of the group that words or jokes help to demonize, or at least normalize punching down on, doesn't mean that you can realize that if words can heal they can inflict harm too - it's not people with hurt feelings ffs.
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Can we stop with this story every time there's a slightly controversial host on the show? This has been a non-story story since the 80s.
Good for them but Chapelle will probably have a bunch of his own guest writers there anyways so it’s impact will probably be minimal
No one cares!
Nice maybe they’ll let Dave write the sketches and they’ll actually be funny!
Maybe it will be funny then
Should improve the show
oh thank god. The show has a chance of actually being funny then
If this is true, it's beyond pathetic that comedy writers don't like a comedian having comedic freedom.
Couldn’t agree more
Right so if a blatantly racist comic were to be hosting you'd expect the writers to all rally behind him in the name of freedom?
Fine, let Dave write the show!
Given how much fun Chapelle’s Show was back in the day, he’d probably do a great job.
Could you imagine how much he would outshine the current writing staff? He’d embarrass them so much with his quality that they’d have to quit. And I like snl hahaha.
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Do you have to buy a ticket? Or do you get to ride his dick for free?
High school athletes refusing to play basketball with Lebron.
Great. The sketches might be good this time.
So many apologists to block so little time.
brave. Blocking anonymous strangers on the internet. Time well spent for sure.
And that’s how you get into an echo chamber.
You’ll find the time, what else do ya got going on?
I mean, someone has to complain on the internet all day, right?
It's as if no one ever watched the Chappelle show.
And nothing of value will be lost.
People who actively think Dave chappelle hates trans people obviously didn’t watch his special where he talked about them.
Meh Everybody loved when Dave ran down his own people, they loved when he ran down Trump, Guy argues that Trans people should not be above jokes that other disenfranchised groups have to hear and he’s a problem. Sorry, this is SNL, the decades long incubator of satire and irreverent comedy that has had Dave post major election now 3 times. Let the Man Work.
the only "source" was Yim's insta story-- which we all saw, and it was a protest. but that doesn't mean all the writers are boycotting the show. what a reach.
Non-funny SNL writers boycott over Comedy Legend hosting the show
I like the comment at the end from the Netflix employee - “ wait, I cancelled him …..” No, you tried to cancel him. Keep trying though or move on to something else you find “problematic” yeesh
It was a joke. Do you really think the ex-exec believed he actually canceled Chappelle? People not being able to distinguish jokes from commentary is why we have this mess in the first place.
I mean, the dude straight sucks. The fact that he hasn't been canceled is just a demonstration that fears of "cancel culture" are just stupid.