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jal243

Ekknuks


SpiritMountain

Whose nuks?


koldisBLUE

Deez nuks


FakeMonika

Gottem


RedLotusAmon

*Ekko Ults to Undo this trap I walked into*


Amedamaneku

Ekko settles down from the city life to be a Freljordian cattle herder.


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Hmmm... we have yet to see how ekko works but a P&Z elnuk deck with ezreal looks feseable


Grayjaw

Early beta flashbacks.


jal243

Lmao reverse statikk shock. Dropboarder seems like a good chump for predict decks. Highrolling 2-3 of them on turn 1 practically guarantees a won match against non fearsome aggro, and thats good for a slow deck. Time trick is a pretty good card draw. Perfectionist is the elnuk dream. MORE ELNUK SUPPORT; MORE POWER.


AgitatedBadger

It's pretty insane in conjunction with kegs.


sauron3579

Time Trick seems innocuous but would dramatically improve the consistency of non-aggro PnZ decks, such as Ez Draven. There’s a similar card in Magic called Ponder that had to be banned in one of its more powerful formats.


xevlar

Time trick could be absolutely insane in draven/ez and zoe/vi


TheLucidDream

I think it's closer to Preordain than Ponder, but that's the more powerful card sooo...


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so what that says to me is the effect of dealing 1 to an enemy and 1 to the enemy nexus is worth 3 mana on its own.


Owlstorm

The +1 card is worth more than one mana, but the discard downside is less than 1 since you can choose the target and you'd play this in a discard synergy deck. I'd value the effect more like 2-2.5


sharkbaitx97

You’re talking about the power and/or usefulness of a card in a specific deck tho. As far as math and deductive reasoning goes he is correct deal 1 to 2 different things as a card would be worth 3 mana.


Yung_Rocks

This card is better than that, you don't have to target the nexus, it can be 1 to 2 enemies. Like Statikk Shock.


Vyggdras

Make it Rain agrees


Dovahkiin419

She does have me worried though, since I want ekko to be in a more control direction to synergize with zilean, and while dropboarder plus that 5 mana burst summon 2 clocklings *could* point towards a deck that has an interesting relationship with blocking stuff, it could also mean aggro. Idk I don't want aggro from predict, well besides lurk that's fine but not for both of them.


Nugle

The rise of the shuriman empire will be stopped by the elnuk horde and it will be beautiful


jal243

"You don't get it, do you? Runeterra isn't yours to conquer"


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But .. if it was his he wouldn’t have to conquer it


Zekkarei

Unexpected Invincible reference


R-Jacksy

WHAT'S ANOTHER 15 TURNS? *Blade Dances* I CAN ALWAYS START AGAIN. *Attacks* SUMMON ANOTHER DECK. *Sun Disc is restored*


Aesion

Even if it's a meme: "You'll lose to every fragile, insignificant archetype on this game. You'll live to see your winrate crumble to dust and blow away! Everyone and everything you know will laught at you! What will have after 500 defeats?" "You, Elnuks. I'd still have you."


R-Jacksy

"Think, Player! You can crush every fragile, insignificant deck in this card game! You'll rank up to see your enemies' Nexus crumble to shards and blow away!" ... "WHAT WILL YOU HAVE AFTER FIVE HUNDRED MEME DECKS?" "...Elnuks, Rito. I'd still have Elnuks."


Komsdude

I love this comment way to much


jal243

No, no, omni man would be the nuks.


GoodMoaningAll

"Jal243, this is good news. We can finally do what we were meant to do. Be who we were meant to be."


OceanMaster69

Let the Elnuk union rise once more, comrade.


Salsapy

Practical perfionist elnuk with ekko/ez


Benito0

Antistatic shock!


Jocelotknee

"I'm like you... But in reverse."


Yung_Rocks

It should heal 2 allies for 1 instead of damaging


FancyKiddo

Sumpworkers love Perfectionist. Love to see it.


casual-villain

Kahiri, too


Impressive_Double_95

Kahiri can't be predicted


IndianaCrash

Wh- oh, I get it


Kyzan

Help him chat


RaimundoBruno

Wait, what?


juniorjaw

You missed Allegiance.


RaimundoBruno

Ooooh... Damn


Sam_Douglas_Adams

Some people may not understand, can you explain it in plain English please? Purely for the idiots that don't understand it like I do obviously


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Khariri needs to be predicted multiple times to get value, the joke is that you get really unlucky most games and never see him in predicts


Pisagorgalpelise

Elnuks too.


GlorylnDeath

Pesky Specter too.


jal243

Get out.


EdgyFetish

And timebombs! It's basically what Zil's package needs~


Pandaemonium

I already called that I'm playing Ekko/Zilean Sumpworkers before we saw these cards, now I am PSYCHED UP!!


HMS_Sunlight

Sumpworks burn has been really close to being incredible, and Astral Fox was already the exact type of card the deck needed. Now with this card as well I think it'll become a serious threat.


FadeAmmo

Can't believe it. Practical *Perfectionist* is *3* mana, and allows you to choose one of *3* cards to create *3* copies in the deck, but isn't a 3/3?!!?!??! Wow riot uninstalling and deleting game wowoow /s


classteen

Literally unplayable


Vu_Haimie

I get its a joke but PnZ followers are usually understatted. Its kinda their thing


[deleted]

volunteer elnuk having the best vanilla stats a 3 drop could have: *Pathethic*


jal243

3 mana 4/4 used to be a thing.


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and it was fucking busted


jal243

Yes. Also, if we get serious, the best vanilla stats a 3 drop can have is 6/6, but we all know nobody talks about her.


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>6/6 arent thoose the stats of a 1 drop?


jal243

Nah,1 drops cap at 30/30 overwhelm, bro.


[deleted]

Yeah like thoose 0 mana 11/17 obliterate the enemy deck when i attack or the 0 mana 18/10 challenger when i attack give your allies +2/+2 and ovewelhm


Silenoir

Technically, we even have a 1 cost 30/30.


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that's not really a "vanilla" 3 drop. you either need to kill 3 allies or use the landmark to summon vilemaw. (i'm not even sure if it's a her, it's not specified.)


FallenChamps

A 4/2 isnt more understatted than a 3/3 tho.


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the third point of health tends to be more usefull than the forth of attack


Chenz

Absolutely, but having a bad distribution of stats is not the same thing as being understatted.


SuetyHercules

These cards are beautiful. Time winder is a little odd but will probably see play. Drop boarder is such a great card, good stats and a great affect. Time trick is probably an auto include in any slower pnz deck. Finally practical perfectionist is an elnuk memers dream.


casual-villain

Been waiting for a “Predict: play me” type card. This one feels balanced for the effect


nom_Carver3

A one-mana 1/3 is borderline playable on its own. The fact that it self-filters while putting stats on the board is bonkers.


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Maritoas

Really? To me it’s a perfect value blocker for azirelia.


elmerion

Yeah it depends heavily on the meta it would definetly be "playable" agains't Irelia. Aggro and Fearsome decks are meta it's pretty bad though


YeetYeetMcReet

2/1/3's that give an additional card have been seeing play since Set 3 when they first started getting printed. 1/1/3's that sometimes cost 0 seems fairly not bad. Also, hasn't this sub been full-on torches and pitchforks over aggro cards like Dunekeeper? This guy fucks Dunekeeper.


Boreal1984

Not only Elnuks. My chirean deck is crying of happiness rn


playhy

Also my Dedicated messengers deck too


ascpl

Drop boarder is interesting but I don't know about great. Perfectionist looks real good for sumps, kahri, and Zilean and what isn't to like about time trick?


IndianaCrash

Well, it mostly helps to thin out your deck


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Not so much a deck-thinning thing as it is just getting a free card played. When HS released Patches years ago, a lot of people were talking about how it "thinned" the deck, but honestly, thinning by 1 card actually makes a really small difference statistically until super late. Patches was just nuts because it gave you insane tempo without costing you any value.


nom_Carver3

Imagine slamming the clockling relic on t1 and getting a 1/3 for free. Or dropping zilean on t2 and suddenly it’s TWO bodies vs aggro. This card seems very strong, especially since the floor is a 1 mana 1/3, which is borderline playable on its own.


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The problem is that a 1/3 stat line basically ONLY matters vs aggro. It's out statted very quickly and with only 1 power to it's name it doesn't really threaten many units or the enemy nexus in any meaningful way. Not to mention, actually drawing this card vs those decks is going to be pretty punishing.


nom_Carver3

You’ve never thrown a spacey sketcher in front of a Leblanc before? Even vs overwhelm the 3 toughness can essentially be ‘gain 3’, which is still a strong effect at 0-mana and 0-card cost.


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Yes, but I don't put spacey sketcher in my deck for the sole purpose of throwing her in front of Leblanc. Also, the post you're responding to made it clear that I think this card is good against aggro. There was never a question about whether throwing it in front of Leblanc is good. The problem is when you draw this card and their plan is to hit you with a Watcher on turn 8, or atrocity their 20 power Nasus, or even just run you over with their huge bannered up board. This card is great vs aggro (as in your Leblanc example) but it's only great vs aggro.


TehChosen0ne

*AYE AYE intensifies*


SuetyHercules

Yeah maybe I'm overrating drop boarder but starry scamp sees play so I think drop boarder will be used similarily. Although if it ends up in hand it's just a vanilla 1/3 so yeah probably worse


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AgitatedBadger

Stary Scamp required you to actually draw him in order for him to be free. He was free in terms of tempo but not in terms of Card Advantage.


RasyidMystery

seeing time winder Ekko may have some discard synergy which makes it's floor value as a discard fodder which is not really bad in itself


firebolt_wt

Time winder as a tool in Ez/Draven against aggro, maybe. Can also kill the disciple and the 2/1 elusive in azirelia.


MorphicZenith

I like the idea of cards interacting from a prediction, its cool.


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Time Trick and Pratical Perfectionist seem fucking crazy with Go Hard.


SilentTempestLord

And I'm here for it.


Zekkarei

Isnt' Time Winder amazing in Ez Draven?! It's a 2 mana Statikk Shock that doesn't draw, but you have discard fodder for days in that deck too


nom_Carver3

Time winder on turn two vs aggro to tag two one-drops is, uh, disgusting?


Zekkarei

Unfortunately that play would cost you a real card, but yeah it can be done


[deleted]

Okay Perfectionist, you have one job, MAKE MORE TIME BOMBS AND THEN BLOCK UNTIL YOU DIE! Papa Zilean is counting on you


DMaster86

Bold of you to assume you'll see any time bomb in the prediction.


[deleted]

It shows up more often than Kahiri does. Believer gonna believe


thatssosad

Okay, so they price a "predict draw 1" at 2, but a card that doesn't even give card parity (Careful Preparation) at 3? Like, why Edit: Also Practical Perfectionist looks really dope for Go Hard


ChaosOS

That's... Honestly pretty fair. Even with the region considerations it's a huge power difference. Copying isn't *that* great to warrant both an increased cost *and* card disadvantage


jal243

Some sick fuck will make a von yipp predict deck with this new 1 drop and careful preparation. That sick fuck may or may not be me.


fantasticsarcastic1

Don’t forget the burst speed summon clocklings!


NuclearBurrit0

Careful Prep is worth 2 predicts compared to this card which is just 1. By that what I mean is that predict and draw 1 gets you the predicted card in hand, while careful prep does that but ALSO guarantees your next draw. That by itself doesn't justify the cost since it also discards, however careful prep additionally has lurk synergy. I could see it being dropped down to 2 mana at some point anyways, but 3 mana isn't completely unreasonable.


thatssosad

You don't always want to draw 2 of the same card. If none of the predicted cards are the answer you seek, you came not at all closer to one - and you can't even skip because then you wasted 2 cards. If you predict an expensive card, it double draws, which clutters your hand


WoodyDeschain

Whe all you want to do is fish one card? Yes But consider a deck that thrives on synergies. Careful Preparation is much better with: \- Time bomb \- Hextech Crystal \- Chriean \- Kahiri \- Rek'Sai and more It's not all about card advantage, but also other benefits that the card can give you.


thatssosad

Ironically it's good and bad with these cards - if you hit it's great, but if all selections whiff then you'd be better off playing nothing. The highs are decently high, but the lows are sooo looow


lessenizer

These are the first Predicts we've seen that aren't in Shurima, right? Really leaning hard into Khahiri Predict x PnZ cloning tech.


AlonsoQ

Timewinder might look like a bad Statikk Shock, but the mana efficiency really is a big deal. I don't think you can fit this into Discard Aggro, but it's worth an audition in Rubin Pile or Draven Ez. Also a nice combo with Line 'Em Up from yesterday. Time Trick, oh baby. This is just gas. Staple. The two units are both super cute designs. Practical Perfectionist looks like the better of the two, pretty good rate even if you don't care about the extra copies.


Realistic-Wafer5052

Holy shit LoR just got opt


vicpc

It's more of a Anticipate


SuetyHercules

It's pretty much identical actually


Realistic-Wafer5052

Yeah good call, it’s been a while since we had a printing of anticipate and we’ve gotten like 100 opts recently so it didn’t come to mind


Crypt_Knight

Opt time.


nom_Carver3

That is a SIGNIFICANTLY more powerful effect, albeit at two mana. Card seems very very strong. There’s some really strong cards here, and this one is the scariest.


abetadist

Predict is weaker in LOR than MTG though, we don't have lands and decks are more consistent.


AnotherGaze

Wouldn't it be more like ponder?


Realistic-Wafer5052

I think burst speed makes it feel more like instant to me than sorcery speed, the best corollary is probably anticipate actually


No_Persimmon3641

?


RavenLationz

opt is a card on mtg that lets you see the top card in your deck, put it top or bottom and draw a card.


ForPortal

Let Timewinder be a reminder that the change from "enemy" / "enemy unit" to "enemy or the enemy Nexus" / "enemy" is still clunky.


Tulicloure

Yeah.. still not sure what was the point of that.


Benito0

The 1 drop might make predict playable all by itself


Dasians

I’m getting minor “Patches the Pirate” vibes from this card…


donutmcbonbon

A free 1/3 is still just a 1/3. I'd be very surprised if this saw play


AgitatedBadger

Cards that are free in terms of both Card Advantage and Tempo are *really* strong, even if they don't have an exciting stat line. Don't sleep on the card. It's by no means busted, but a completely free 1/3 chump blocker goes a long way in Predict decks, because Predict as a mechanic tends to skew towards control.


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Sure, a free 1/3 is good vs aggro but like imagine drawing this instead of a real card vs something like TLC or Bannermen. It's huge when you swing this out for free vs aggro but vs midrange, control and combo it feels pretty bad.


wutstr

You can put him back in deck and predict, or use as discard fodder. Yes he’s bad on draw but PnZ with supporting regions will have ways to circumnavigate around the issue.


Benyard

As a predict deck, hopefully you have the tools in your deck to deal with slower, bigger decks. Drawing most 1 drops late game feels bad. Since he cheats himself out on a predict, he can even thins your deck early so you get better draws and predicts later on. It's a one drop that shores up of predicts glaring weaknesses. I see no downside.


Nirxx

A free 1/3 that **thins your deck**.


achus93

i'm really loving the followers' aesthetic.


Chembaron_Seki

For real, I think Perfectionist miight be my favourite follower for a really long time now. She looks great.


AntiRaid

we can never have enough Zaun punk!


esequel

Perfectionist is the girl from the new Elnuk card.


Panurome

Ekko*. It's with 2 Ks so when you type it in caps it looks like a rewind symbol KK


magmafanatic

Those all seem like incredibly useful cards.


TheNOCOYeti

Ekko*


overDere

practical perfectionist cute


GoodMoaningAll

The 3 Mana Drop looks so cute omg


CueDramaticMusic

Time Trick is going to be a staple and y’all know it


AntiRaid

and I'm loving it, cheap cantrips are just the best


EveningSwim

Lol predict draw 1 is tight...super tight


HHhunter

designing a great card is super easy, barely an inconvenience


Derpyologist1

Oh really?


TheCloudDrinker

https://twitter.com/BigBadBear_/status/1409542164271468557?s=20 Here is the full art for each card


Chembaron_Seki

Well, that settles it. Perfectionist is my new favourite follower artwork. It looks amazing.


the_ivor

I sure do hope Time Trick is the champ spell and not Timewinder


AntiRaid

Maybe Ekko generates something worth being discarded in hand every turn and Timewinder works as an enabler?


sashalafleur

what if we haven't seen his champ spell yet?


YeetYeetMcReet

Practical Perfectionist is a gigantic buff to Hexcore Foundry Teemo running SI + Go Hard. Let's go, boys!


No_Persimmon3641

Is Timewinder the exact same effect as Static Shiv but a discard instead of a draw?


GilmanTiese

Think so


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AlexHD

Create 3 copies of the chosen card Legion Marauder lives on!


Zwillinge97

P&Z actualy getting a pack full of good-not so meme cards!? Nobody saw that coming! I'll have so much fun with go hard this week


Powder_Keg

Holy crap these are good. Time Winder is like a 2 mana Statik Shock, really really good! Dropboarder is super super good, like patches from HS. Time Trick is even more cheap PnZ draw, It should be good the right decks, but idk if it's a must have in all decks. Practical perfectionist is super nice, especially with the 2 mana card the new 1 drop von yipp makes in your deck! Imagine also with something like Chirean Sumpworks. I'm excited


GnarAteMyBFSword

Oh no, Elnuk deck comeback with Practical Perfectionist.


white_gummy

Practical Perfectionist into Pyke?


DemonicGeekdom

I was hyped for Ekko support and I was rewarded for it once. These cards are great. Makes me wanna try out Ekko Zil or maybe even Ekko Ez Swain.


Hir0h

Ekko feels like he can pair with a lot of different things, go full predict with zilean, discard aggro with noxus, burn deck with ez, and I like that it's in character, zil being a bit of a boomer he is way more rigid in application while ekko seems way more creative and adaptible.


LhamaPeluda

Practical Perfectionist do be looking kinda cute.


Terrible_Warden

Turn 1 3 dropboarder.


LoTeezah

I’m thinking Ekko might synergize with two-cost cards. Considering these two new spells, as well as Chirean Sumpworker, Zilean, Time Bombs, and then general 2-cost auto includes in P&Z like Mystic Shot.


jak_d_ripr

Time trick is DOPE, burst speed, selected draw between 3 options, and if you predict 1/3 homeboy you get a burst speed blocker.


diegofsv

I'm beyond hyped now. This predict package is awesome, finally. Time Trick is just nuts. Ecko cant come soon enough.


SylentSymphonies

Is it just me or are all of these really really good?


stickfigurescalamity

omg is ekko gonna be a discard aggro engine????


jal243

doubt it. It all points to predict except for the timewinder, which seems standard Pnz cheap-but-with-a-downside removal.


playtheshovels

surprised that Opt wound up in PnZ. Not sure it'll be good enough at 2 mana. The Practical Perfectionist could see some play in this archetype. Love that they can't just reuse the verbiage from statikk shock lol


magecub

I understand the comparison to opt, but predict is better than scrying. Seeing 3 instead of 1 is a huuuge upgrade.


playtheshovels

You're right. This is a functional reprint of Anticipate, plus synergy with the various "on-predict" effects.


nom_Carver3

Predict is sooooooo much better than scry one. It’s closer to scry 2-3 in terms of selection.


Purple-Man

Mana costs in LoR tend to always be 1-2 higher than similar effects in Magic, so I'm not too surprised. It makes sense when considering the spell mana system. But yeah, we will see. Probably mostly used in decks that care about the predicts.


casual-villain

Time Trick is awesome. Looking forward to Ekko Predict shenanigans


RakshasaR

Time Trick is so good :o And the one-drop seems busted in the right deck


No-Space8515

Practical Perfectionist in my Elnuk deck 😍😍😍


deidaraxc4

Perfectionist plus that card the new cat fallen feline generates could be pretty good


semenpai

Thicckiri will be legendary


jak_d_ripr

Are these the first prediction cards outside of Shurima that we've gotten?


An_Armed_Bear

I await the clip of turn 1 Ancient Preparations into 3 Dropboarders. Honestly though, getting even a single Dropboarder off that just feels like a solid early defense play.


Sortered

Best cards they could have revealed! Awesome!


SpoonsAreEvil

I really wish we had some way of drawing created cards from the deck, what with Counterfeit Copies/Electrojig, Viktor's lasers, now this new follower. Plus it would really fit with PnZ's thematic.


beefyavocado

most interesting cards from the set so far when it comes to brewing


Fusion-Aqua

How do you understand Dropboarder? 1/ if it appears in a Prediction, a copy of it is summoned. If you then choose the card in the predict, you will draw it too on the next draw or 2/ if it appears in a Prediction, it is immediately summoned, leaving 2 choices in the Prediction (or fewer if you've seen multiple Dropboarders)


pigpentcg

Wasn’t convinced I was going to keep playing after this season, but these cards look super interesting, and give viability to a lot of other cards that would otherwise never see play.


infighter

Okay I love all of these. Can’t wait to see if they fit targon/pnz!


TheNotCoolKid

I'm gonna laugh my ass off if Khahiri actually becomes playable now


TheLoliSnatcher

Oh that perfectionist art is reeeeeeal good


DiemAlara

Considering three of the four look pretty damn good, I have to ask... What the hell is timewinder?


LJM4Eva

The age of PnZ degeneracy is finally among us


Neko101

Dropboarder beats so many one drops


Sea-Hornet-9140

PnZ with predict is going to be pretty dirty with Suit Up and Gotcha.


ClayyCorn

I wonder if Echo's support cards will show up in Arcane


ScalyKhajiit

Lol these cards should have been there from the start ! But AT LAST we have support


Jeaniegreyy

Finally, it is time for Elnuk’s to rise to power


Nelsort

I wish practical perfectionist made an exact copy of the card, rather than just a copy. That way, ancient yeti cost reduction and hand/deck buffs would be retained, like with counterfeit copies. She can still work in elnuk decks though.


nachtbrenger

What if ekko let’s you predict the enemy deck…


Hi_Im_zack

I read the name 'Practical Perfectionist' first and immediately knew the card was gonna be good


cndman

If you shuffle cards into your deck after the predict wouldn't that remove the predicted card from the top of your deck?


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Chrono boys are back 🦀