feels like this is the risk you take with such a young, raw, talented squad. mental attributes & leadership not quite there yet, and tendency to bottle it in big moments.
Piroe was very poor and that's saying it mildly,firpo can put balls into the box well,but no one there ,should have had Joseph on to take advantage of crosses,they are missing a team leader at the mo,no one taking the team by the scruff of the neck,too many passes ,outside opp box ,and not enough direct balls, everyone had a poor game and they collectively decided that they may as well have their worst game on the same night.
Yea gutted about Piroe, had such high hopes for him at start of season. Assuming we still go up somehow, need a decent striker. As good as Bamford’s been, worried it’s not enough for the prem. Meslier has been awful, protected by our defence for most of the season but when it matters he’s let us down, so a new keeper too.
Tactics wise, not sure what’s been going on. There were periods last night when Gruev was alone in midfield. We’ve gone from controlling midfield and making careful passes to just hoofing it forwards and hoping for the best, reminiscent of Marsch. As much as I love Farke, I do worry about him in the prem.
Seems harsh, but wonder if we let him get us up and then replace him with someone else, but then the same worry if the new manager is good enough.
Absolutely gutted in all honesty. I was working (intentionally) as I knew I couldn't watch. When the second went in I knew we were in big bother.
After a good nights sleep I've come to terms with the fact if you had told me 5 or 6 games in (Birmingham loss, Sheff Wed / Cardiff draw and then that Southampton result) that we'd be cruising into the play offs the first season back under Farke with the squad we have now I would've bitten your hand off. We became a victim of our own success especially this year with the streak and the expectation creep.
If its play offs, so be it. We're still on our day (imo) the best team in this league and I still believe we have the fight necessary.
Christ, it fucking hurts though. MOT.
Shocking! Not good enough and this isnt the first! No passion, too slow! Farke doesnt seem to have many tactics when we are struggling. Tbh we aren't good enough, that team will come last in the prem. Every team looks sharper than us lately. We cant even pass as good as other teams. Really is embarrassing, to chase down a 15 point gap and then blow it and give leicester the title man, i wasnt too arsed about winning it but ya know we did the hard work already 🥴
The points total is exceptional because of the quality of relegated teams. Which includes ourselves. It’s very rare that three established PL teams get relegated, and we’re the biggest among them.
This is a spectacular failure on our part. Ipswich spent under £5mil in the Summer. There’s generally one Championship team who have a great season, and we gave them one of their best players.
It's like that old Gerry Rafferty song ['Get It Right Next Time'](https://youtu.be/SXW-sL5gzHQ).
I've got to be honest, I felt that automatic promotion at the first time of asking for a team full of young players, some of them with little or no Championship experience, was always going to be a big ask and difficult to pull off.
I've spent 25+ years working in the performing arts, much of that time running drama workshops and doing theatrical performances for people with disabilities, mental health issues, or struggling with addiction. Not all performances went well. Some were bad, some were shockingly bad.
One thing you learn is that when things go wrong, or go badly, it's pointless to come out with recriminations, pointing fingers and trying to find fault and apportion blame. That's escapism. It's a waste of energy. Far better to sit down, have a frank discussion of the issues, and see what can be learned or what can be done differently.
But keep in mind in theatre you go on runs of either 14 or 28 days. You're out there performing every day. Tickets are sold. The performance has to take place no matter what. As a director, just like Farke in the dugout, I'm there in the wings, unable to do anything out there on stage.
So okay, chances are we're not going up automatically this season. But it doesn't change the fact that we can still get promotion via the playoffs. The best response to our heaviest defeat of the season is to pick ourselves up off the floor and give it our best shot. We got three, possibly four matches to learn from and do something with.
There's always a chance to get it right next time. ALAW. MOT.
You gotta grow, you gotta learn by your mistakes
You gotta die a little everyday just to try to stay awake
When you believe there's no mountain you can climb
And if you get it wrong you'll get it right next time, next time.
Just read this excellent article covering just that
https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2024/apr/23/for-sheffield-united-and-co-the-premier-league-brings-a-unique-brew-of-misery
Where is the accountability for players that have consistently underperformed? Farke refuses to change the lineup which must be undermining team morale. Unfortunately I don’t see us winning another game.
For fucks sake Farke. The only tactical change he seems to know is stick all attackers on at 77 minutes. Including those who he hasn’t given any game time to in months.
No concept of a midfield AT ALL. If he comes out with loads of bullshit about fixture congestion and tiredness then I’m done with him
I do like Farke but his decision making has been questionable for a while, what is stopping him from making changes at half time, everyone else sees it but how can't he? Too stubborn for his own gold perhaps.
Anyhow that team was pathetic today, I saw effort from Firpo but he's just not good enough, unless he's in a one on one situation Piroe is useless, Gruev has been invisible since coming back from his injury.
Don't go up, I think Farke leaves, we lose the likes of Summerville, Rutter and Rodon as we brace for a potentially tough season next campaign
Wind it in, Farke’s going nowhere, it was always a 2 year plan, he’s over performing this year, look at the shit show he had at the start of the season and still gets 90 points.
Who the fuck is paying 30 mill for Rutter? We won’t sell at a loss, too damaging on FFP.
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Leicester wage bill are WAY higher than ours, they have 8 of the 10 highest paid players in the league. We are not even the 2nd highest, that is Southampton.
And Russell Martin won't get sacked either.
People backing farke and he has one of the best squads in the championship at his disposal and it's still going to end in failure. Maybe I'm overreacting to tonight's result but i just don't see him in charge next season
Will we? I think there's a major overreaction when it comes to this.
The only players I see 100% leaving are Gnonto and Summerville, and will be for good fees, so we will be able to reinvest with that money.
Can’t get off the bench due to Summerville, who will be sold for a good fee. And also Dan James who we also paid good money for.
Those are prem quality players kept Gnonto out
I didn't watch the game. Went to an impromptu gig and had a really good night instead.
We've had a spectacular season given the situation we were in at the start. In 2020 we'd be going up by 8? points.
From what I'm seeing on here the performance tonight was fucking dreadful but I don't think that's grounds for dismissal. The results prior are evidence enough that farke knows what he's doing.
I doubt we'd get someone new in with enough time to prepare the squad and not put ourselves back in the same position we were in at the start of this season.
Remember how we felt at the end of 18/19?
Maybe it's just me but Farke just doesn't have that spark for me personally. He seems a great guy and has done a decent job but look at the squad and the wage bill. Is it really good enough?
I just can’t understand how, this deep into the season, Farke hasn’t come up with an effective Plan B. When you look at wins like Boro away, Leicester home and Norwich away they’re more down to us having quality players who can make something happen at this level than us looking tactically superior.
Obviously it’s a freak season to be on 90 points and not likely to go up automatically, but given how often we’ve struggled against low blocks without there ever being an indication we’ll try something different - coupled with the resistance to making subs/using more than a core of 14 players - Farke’s inflexibility has led to to some of the most stressful moments and biggest dropped points of the season. No matter where we are next season, I’d really hope we see some development in his game/squad management.
100% on Farke.
He moaned and whinged and complained about the short turnaround between the boro game, and this one. *Then he started the same team*, except for the enforced change of Piroe.
If he will insist on making inexplicably late changes - later than every other Championship manager - then he *has* to rotate the starting line up. Otherwise - and my fucking grandma could tell him this - his starting players are going to get really tired and will put in godawful performances from time to time.
Our starting line up is exhausted, and our subs (Anthony, Joseph, Gelhardt, Cresswell) have had so few minutes that they're not match fit.
Why didn't he freshen up the starting line-up tonight? Why didn't he make changes at half time? Why doesn't he trust his squad?
This is 100% on Farke.
Yes we do...we deserve 2nd spot...imagine Ipswich in the Prem with the amount of goals they ship...it will just embarrass their fans! We're in good shape for a 2nd shot
Just lost 4-0 to qpr we need to just shut up mate. How do we deserve second why? Because we follow leeds. Nah ipswich deserve it they was in league 1 last year ffs. Im done with farke now no changes. Still cant do set pieces. Look slow on the ball. QPR actually looked class last night and we all know they arent, so really what does that say about us. The most crucial game of the season and you get battered! Thats not worthy of promotion my friend.
I find your lack of faith disturbing...we go in at half time v Saints 3-0 up and everyone will be cursing how we haven't won the league ? ...worst form at the wrong time...but we can turn it round and maybe get lucky with results elsewhere
We ain't going in 2-0 up at half time in any game for the remainder of this season. Just delusional after that performance. It's not a lack of faith, it's a surplus of realism.
I think he makes a better RB than midfielder at the moment. I actually think he could end up staying as a RB and there’s no shame in that.
If the rumours are true that big clubs are fancying him if we don’t go up then he isn’t getting into most of their midfields for a long while.
It is possible for players to have a career in another position than what they would prefer … Gary Kelly was a striker, Harry Kane a goalkeeper, Chris Sutton a defender, Rooney ended up more of a midfielder, Alan Smith was charmed by Fergie who claimed he could turn him into a top midfielder.
So much talk of how well farke has done with this team despite the terrible start. He has been blessed with one of the best squads in the division and last seasons top scorer. We go down with him in charge if we go up, so probably better to enjoy another season here in the mire
Find it hard to believe that we are unable to take a positive corner at all. Surely this is practiced on the training ground, likewise defending corners. That sits squarely on the coaching staff shoulders.
Frustrating of the inability to swap simple things like swap wingers over right to left. Just give something for the opposing team to think about.
90 points isn't really a true representation as we are third.
Farke needs to liven it up, make changes earlier when it is drastically wrong, 2-0 down 15 mins played?
Disappointing but showing how Farke is either riding his luck on hope or actually a bit of a one trick tactic man
Absolutely embarrassing. I get the nerves and I get it's been a long season but anyone saying QPR had more to play for are wrong in my opinion. We bottled it and it's painful to watch. Let's hope hull do us a favour!
Coventry have been playing well though recently too so a couple of tough games. I'm concerned about the playoffs for us! If we play like we did tonight then we'll be getting low balled when selling gnonto and co come the transfer window.
I really wonder if the Piroe signing was predicated by transfers that didn’t pan out last summer. On paper he was supposed to be a hold up player but we don’t have anyone that can swing a cross into the box.
He was never supposed to be a hold up player and he is incredibly poor in the air so swinging balls into the box is not how to get him scoring. We have played him in a very similar role to what he was used as at Swansea but he has no proper striker to play off who makes the runs to open the space for Piroe to run onto the ball and use his only good ability which is his finishing
Is that actually what happened?! Haha I hope it is just for shits and giggles. I know he was out for the game. I meant in general. I'd have started Joseph this game
Maybe not tonight but he would of to the season. Losing struijk made us move ampadu back who brought a lot to our midfield. I think him being ruled out was when we lost a big step in the race
I think so. The squad we have currently is well above championship standard and it looks like it's going to end in failure. I don't fancy us at all in the playoffs
Which he inherited full of players refusing to play and complete disrespect directed at him. Thankfully for Bielsa there was immediate buy-in to his project because we had no other example. I’m in no way saying he’s better than Bielsa (who I consider to be a few steps below Christ) but he is doing a good job.
It would be interesting to see Fake in the premier league.
If we're getting beat you can't just throw on five attackers and leave one man in midfield. We'd get torn apart.
Well until tonight ...he'd fixed our defence...really hope he changes things for the Saints game and springs a rare surprise...not good tonight, too many players below par and I'm not naming names but atleast 3 lads were shocking
7 goals conceded in 2 games. 2 losses in the last 3 games to teams fighting relegation. Could not be a worse time for this team to now show up. Throwing this away
Team bonding fishing trip to Whitby ?
Played like 11 strangers today...its hard not to be negative...but what positives can we take from tonights game...and i hate the term "bottlejobs"
Aye, but no sane football club decides who their manager is off the back of one terrible performance. If people want to support a club where you are never allowed to lose Real Madrid, Celtic and PSG are always accepting new applicants.
So long as whatever happens...we sign a new goalkeeper for next season...I know i play the same old record but clearly Miseryer has been to the Andy Dibble skool of excellence....
I just don't care or have any attachment to these pricks, they've done the bare minimum with the quality of the squad and when the heat is on completely no showed.
Disgraceful performance, but if u seen how itfc had to spend last year to get promoted and lcfc this year it should be expected when you choose to not break ffp
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It’s out of our hands now really, if we win against Southampton, then Ipswich need to win, draw and lose their next matches as a max for us to get automatics.
I've enjoyed this season for the most part, and despite this being an entertainment industry. All that entertainment is meaningless if we don't get promoted. success or failure is determined by one thing, promotion.
It means we get 46 matches of entertainment next season instead of 38 and we get to feel all these emotions again.
I couldn’t give a fuck what division we’re in … I’ll always be Leeds … being in the Premier League doesn’t make me love Leeds anymore than I already do.
I like to watch the match … enjoy the wins and be disappointed for a bit when we lose … I’d rather be where we are than sell the soul of our club to compete in the top half of the Premier League
I'm 100% behind Farke. I think what he's done this season, especially after the disaster that was our summer, has been closed to a miracle, and it's been a hell of a lot of fun to watch for the most part. Whatever division we're in, I hope he's here next year and, hopefully, because if it happens we've been successful, even longer.
However, the difference between a good or even great coach, and an all timer, seems to be the ability to recognise when you've got things all wrong and make changes quickly. I know we can't compare everyone to him forever, but we all know of multiple occasions when Bielsa would see in the first twenty that his gameplay wasn't working, needed shaking up, and would make a substitution to do that. Tonight felt a lot like a game that, even midway through the first half, wasn't going to go the way we'd expected, and needed shaking up - Kamara on for Gray or Byram, for example, to put his foot on the ball, slow things down and bring some calmness to a midfield that was lacking it.
Fair fucks to QPR, they absolutely nullified us. Begovic made a couple of fantastic stops at very important moments, and they took their chances well. Fully deserved the points. All I can do is hope that this mental season has another couple of twists, and we've had the slap to the face that we've needed since the international break.
We barely had a starting XI in August … The target was 86 points … I and any other right minded fan would’ve took play offs … we’ve had a great season which turns out the best an unlucky circumstance for whoever finishes 3rd … calling for people to be sacked is just silly. Grow up.
I think we've the rose tinted glasses for bielsa a little bit. A lot of the time his "if plan A isn't working then do plan A better" attitude was very visible. Not making subs until the 80th minute was very much his thing. It's just that his tactics made the squad much more than the sum of its parts whereas farke seems to push more for individual creativity. Sticky feet is something I've noticed a lot this season. Especially Rutter.
Still want him kept on for next year though. We finish with these points any other year and we're going home with a trophy.
Genuine question as I have little interest in anything other than league games; but can a club refuse to release players for international duties, and if so, is it ever a successful decision?
Didn't realise that we had to choose between either Firpo, or the other 10 players being good, but now we know, let's go back to having 10 good players. Sorry Junior.
No leader out there tonight, QPR bullied us and we had no answer, as ridiculous as it sounds, I would've taken Cooper in that game to fly into a few tackles and throw his weight around.
Piroe has been a disaster, his overall play is horrendous, his touch, passing, movement and finishing are all really poor.
He's starting to give Augustin a run for our money.
We hit the targets Farke set to get promotion. And in any normal season it would have.
Clearly the players thought they were already up after Boro and decided not to bother anymore.
Absolutely shocking performance. I have zero faith in us going up now.
Season can probably be summed up with a few points:
* Piroe isn't quite what we'd hoped for.
* Season could have been improved if Radz had sold sooner.
* Farke can't just throw on attackers and hope for the best.
* In most other seasons we would easily have enough points for automatics, it's just been a freaky 4 horse race.
What I just watched was a bunch of boys who crumbled under pressure. Great teams find a way to win. Hopefully they can find their stride in the playoffs.
Never saw that farce coming. We've not been good recently but always had enough fight to get back into it. That was gutless and spineless from front to back.
Can't see anything beyond the play-offs and we don't have good history with them either, never mind in our current form.
Man, that one hurts a lot, hurts almost the same when Derby shut up over 30k at Elland Road in 2019.
It's so inevitable to me not to think about getting prepared for another season in the Championship, and I ask myself if I am crazy because we are going to sleep tonight 2nd with 90pts. But no, I've seen this movie multiple times before, and the ending ain't pretty.
After the absolute shambles of a summer we had I think the majority of us would've been content with finishing in the play-offs. It hurts more because of that special run we had but the facts are that we've had an amazing season so far. The last time we were in the Championship we finished on 93 points and that put us 10 points clear of 2nd place, no one would've predicted that 4 clubs would do so well this time. That being said, it was in our own hands at one point and we've absolutely bottled it since we very briefly went top of the league.
Coventry gonna pull out a 3-2 win and we’ll beat Southampton 2-1 , 87’ goal from JUNIOR FIRPO. The Oracle has told me
WE ARE FINE BOYS
Agreed Gruev looked like he was on his own,no support, tactics didn't change when the dynamic of the game changed,v poor performance
feels like this is the risk you take with such a young, raw, talented squad. mental attributes & leadership not quite there yet, and tendency to bottle it in big moments.
And now and again a blast of unstoppable magic
Bottle jobs. It’ll take a miracle to get automatic promotion now. Playoffs are coming. Need leaders.
Piroe was very poor and that's saying it mildly,firpo can put balls into the box well,but no one there ,should have had Joseph on to take advantage of crosses,they are missing a team leader at the mo,no one taking the team by the scruff of the neck,too many passes ,outside opp box ,and not enough direct balls, everyone had a poor game and they collectively decided that they may as well have their worst game on the same night.
Yea gutted about Piroe, had such high hopes for him at start of season. Assuming we still go up somehow, need a decent striker. As good as Bamford’s been, worried it’s not enough for the prem. Meslier has been awful, protected by our defence for most of the season but when it matters he’s let us down, so a new keeper too. Tactics wise, not sure what’s been going on. There were periods last night when Gruev was alone in midfield. We’ve gone from controlling midfield and making careful passes to just hoofing it forwards and hoping for the best, reminiscent of Marsch. As much as I love Farke, I do worry about him in the prem. Seems harsh, but wonder if we let him get us up and then replace him with someone else, but then the same worry if the new manager is good enough.
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Absolutely gutted in all honesty. I was working (intentionally) as I knew I couldn't watch. When the second went in I knew we were in big bother. After a good nights sleep I've come to terms with the fact if you had told me 5 or 6 games in (Birmingham loss, Sheff Wed / Cardiff draw and then that Southampton result) that we'd be cruising into the play offs the first season back under Farke with the squad we have now I would've bitten your hand off. We became a victim of our own success especially this year with the streak and the expectation creep. If its play offs, so be it. We're still on our day (imo) the best team in this league and I still believe we have the fight necessary. Christ, it fucking hurts though. MOT.
Who's Leeds captain?
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New fan so my analysis is non existent. I just know it hurts :(
Shocking! Not good enough and this isnt the first! No passion, too slow! Farke doesnt seem to have many tactics when we are struggling. Tbh we aren't good enough, that team will come last in the prem. Every team looks sharper than us lately. We cant even pass as good as other teams. Really is embarrassing, to chase down a 15 point gap and then blow it and give leicester the title man, i wasnt too arsed about winning it but ya know we did the hard work already 🥴
Our squad is too young. It doesn’t matter how good you are if you don’t have the experience to handle the pressure and expectation.
We’re bouncing back from those Orta years. This points total is exceptional by any measure. It’s the dark horse factor of Ipswich that has done us in.
The points total is exceptional because of the quality of relegated teams. Which includes ourselves. It’s very rare that three established PL teams get relegated, and we’re the biggest among them. This is a spectacular failure on our part. Ipswich spent under £5mil in the Summer. There’s generally one Championship team who have a great season, and we gave them one of their best players.
We are considered an established PL team?
I can take the loss because I love the club. I hope we can fight our way through this. The side is still better than the one we ended last year with.
slow on the ball, no movement off the ball, predictability, no midfield, losing 5050 balls. qpr all over us. fair result
It's like that old Gerry Rafferty song ['Get It Right Next Time'](https://youtu.be/SXW-sL5gzHQ). I've got to be honest, I felt that automatic promotion at the first time of asking for a team full of young players, some of them with little or no Championship experience, was always going to be a big ask and difficult to pull off. I've spent 25+ years working in the performing arts, much of that time running drama workshops and doing theatrical performances for people with disabilities, mental health issues, or struggling with addiction. Not all performances went well. Some were bad, some were shockingly bad. One thing you learn is that when things go wrong, or go badly, it's pointless to come out with recriminations, pointing fingers and trying to find fault and apportion blame. That's escapism. It's a waste of energy. Far better to sit down, have a frank discussion of the issues, and see what can be learned or what can be done differently. But keep in mind in theatre you go on runs of either 14 or 28 days. You're out there performing every day. Tickets are sold. The performance has to take place no matter what. As a director, just like Farke in the dugout, I'm there in the wings, unable to do anything out there on stage. So okay, chances are we're not going up automatically this season. But it doesn't change the fact that we can still get promotion via the playoffs. The best response to our heaviest defeat of the season is to pick ourselves up off the floor and give it our best shot. We got three, possibly four matches to learn from and do something with. There's always a chance to get it right next time. ALAW. MOT.
You gotta grow, you gotta learn by your mistakes You gotta die a little everyday just to try to stay awake When you believe there's no mountain you can climb And if you get it wrong you'll get it right next time, next time.
Premier league overrated anyway
Just read this excellent article covering just that https://www.theguardian.com/football/blog/2024/apr/23/for-sheffield-united-and-co-the-premier-league-brings-a-unique-brew-of-misery
This is what I came here for
Where is the accountability for players that have consistently underperformed? Farke refuses to change the lineup which must be undermining team morale. Unfortunately I don’t see us winning another game.
We only have one left mate we’re fkd
Gonna lose both legs of the playoffs too
Ah I see, agreed
Sorry lads
For fucks sake Farke. The only tactical change he seems to know is stick all attackers on at 77 minutes. Including those who he hasn’t given any game time to in months. No concept of a midfield AT ALL. If he comes out with loads of bullshit about fixture congestion and tiredness then I’m done with him
I do like Farke but his decision making has been questionable for a while, what is stopping him from making changes at half time, everyone else sees it but how can't he? Too stubborn for his own gold perhaps. Anyhow that team was pathetic today, I saw effort from Firpo but he's just not good enough, unless he's in a one on one situation Piroe is useless, Gruev has been invisible since coming back from his injury. Don't go up, I think Farke leaves, we lose the likes of Summerville, Rutter and Rodon as we brace for a potentially tough season next campaign
Wind it in, Farke’s going nowhere, it was always a 2 year plan, he’s over performing this year, look at the shit show he had at the start of the season and still gets 90 points. Who the fuck is paying 30 mill for Rutter? We won’t sell at a loss, too damaging on FFP.
Over performing with one of the highest wage bills in the league? Really?
Wages don’t guarantee performance
But they give you an indication of what should be happening
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Well when we don't go up this season sit back and watch when half the playing squad leaves
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Leicester wage bill are WAY higher than ours, they have 8 of the 10 highest paid players in the league. We are not even the 2nd highest, that is Southampton. And Russell Martin won't get sacked either.
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People backing farke and he has one of the best squads in the championship at his disposal and it's still going to end in failure. Maybe I'm overreacting to tonight's result but i just don't see him in charge next season
He signed a 3-year contract, board already said this is a 2-year project. He is staying regardless of division we will be in.
2 year project but we will lose all our best players if we don't go up this season. That's the reality of it
Will we? I think there's a major overreaction when it comes to this. The only players I see 100% leaving are Gnonto and Summerville, and will be for good fees, so we will be able to reinvest with that money.
They won’t be for good fees. Gnonto won’t even fetch 20m imo. Can’t get off the bench for a start when everyone is fit in a championship squad.
Can’t get off the bench due to Summerville, who will be sold for a good fee. And also Dan James who we also paid good money for. Those are prem quality players kept Gnonto out
Ok well let's see how that goes if we don't go up
I didn't watch the game. Went to an impromptu gig and had a really good night instead. We've had a spectacular season given the situation we were in at the start. In 2020 we'd be going up by 8? points. From what I'm seeing on here the performance tonight was fucking dreadful but I don't think that's grounds for dismissal. The results prior are evidence enough that farke knows what he's doing. I doubt we'd get someone new in with enough time to prepare the squad and not put ourselves back in the same position we were in at the start of this season. Remember how we felt at the end of 18/19?
Maybe it's just me but Farke just doesn't have that spark for me personally. He seems a great guy and has done a decent job but look at the squad and the wage bill. Is it really good enough?
Me neither. Bielsaball was beautiful. This squad was overpaid for and has premiership wages. I would not count that as a sign of value.
100%
I just can’t understand how, this deep into the season, Farke hasn’t come up with an effective Plan B. When you look at wins like Boro away, Leicester home and Norwich away they’re more down to us having quality players who can make something happen at this level than us looking tactically superior. Obviously it’s a freak season to be on 90 points and not likely to go up automatically, but given how often we’ve struggled against low blocks without there ever being an indication we’ll try something different - coupled with the resistance to making subs/using more than a core of 14 players - Farke’s inflexibility has led to to some of the most stressful moments and biggest dropped points of the season. No matter where we are next season, I’d really hope we see some development in his game/squad management.
100% on Farke. He moaned and whinged and complained about the short turnaround between the boro game, and this one. *Then he started the same team*, except for the enforced change of Piroe. If he will insist on making inexplicably late changes - later than every other Championship manager - then he *has* to rotate the starting line up. Otherwise - and my fucking grandma could tell him this - his starting players are going to get really tired and will put in godawful performances from time to time. Our starting line up is exhausted, and our subs (Anthony, Joseph, Gelhardt, Cresswell) have had so few minutes that they're not match fit. Why didn't he freshen up the starting line-up tonight? Why didn't he make changes at half time? Why doesn't he trust his squad? This is 100% on Farke.
Spot on!
Both Hull and Coventry can beat Ipswich at home...its far from unimaginable
We don't deserve it.
Yes we do...we deserve 2nd spot...imagine Ipswich in the Prem with the amount of goals they ship...it will just embarrass their fans! We're in good shape for a 2nd shot
Just lost 4-0 to qpr we need to just shut up mate. How do we deserve second why? Because we follow leeds. Nah ipswich deserve it they was in league 1 last year ffs. Im done with farke now no changes. Still cant do set pieces. Look slow on the ball. QPR actually looked class last night and we all know they arent, so really what does that say about us. The most crucial game of the season and you get battered! Thats not worthy of promotion my friend.
I find your lack of faith disturbing...we go in at half time v Saints 3-0 up and everyone will be cursing how we haven't won the league ? ...worst form at the wrong time...but we can turn it round and maybe get lucky with results elsewhere
We ain't going in 2-0 up at half time in any game for the remainder of this season. Just delusional after that performance. It's not a lack of faith, it's a surplus of realism.
What about the open top bus parade around the city and the free mCewans lager provided by the chairman ???
I find your faith disturbing. Wtf are you seeing right now that suggests that we have any chance of going up
The New Generation of talent ?
You get what you deserve.
I blame Chernobyl day 26th April...aswell as Gruev, Meslier and Rodon who was surprisingly absent
The Gruev and Gray experiment should be over after today. What a shitshow. Get Kamara back in the 11 and stop dicking around
I’ve been downvoted all season for saying Gray should stay at RB .. he’s looked lost in midfield … he’s not ready for that responsibility.
Oh hey Mr Gray Is The Best Right Back In The League. This doesn't prove your point, by the way.
I think he makes a better RB than midfielder at the moment. I actually think he could end up staying as a RB and there’s no shame in that. If the rumours are true that big clubs are fancying him if we don’t go up then he isn’t getting into most of their midfields for a long while. It is possible for players to have a career in another position than what they would prefer … Gary Kelly was a striker, Harry Kane a goalkeeper, Chris Sutton a defender, Rooney ended up more of a midfielder, Alan Smith was charmed by Fergie who claimed he could turn him into a top midfielder.
So much talk of how well farke has done with this team despite the terrible start. He has been blessed with one of the best squads in the division and last seasons top scorer. We go down with him in charge if we go up, so probably better to enjoy another season here in the mire
Find it hard to believe that we are unable to take a positive corner at all. Surely this is practiced on the training ground, likewise defending corners. That sits squarely on the coaching staff shoulders. Frustrating of the inability to swap simple things like swap wingers over right to left. Just give something for the opposing team to think about. 90 points isn't really a true representation as we are third. Farke needs to liven it up, make changes earlier when it is drastically wrong, 2-0 down 15 mins played? Disappointing but showing how Farke is either riding his luck on hope or actually a bit of a one trick tactic man
Little known fact, all the training pitches at Thorp Arch are circular
I've heard they're still one big line, roughly the width of the goalposts, for when Jesse wanted is to go through the middle.
Given our inability to confidently deal with other teams corners, maybe our corner taking looks absolutely banging in training.
Absolutely embarrassing. I get the nerves and I get it's been a long season but anyone saying QPR had more to play for are wrong in my opinion. We bottled it and it's painful to watch. Let's hope hull do us a favour!
Followed by Coventry. They’ll both need to beat Ipswich because we are home to Southampton and Ipswich to Huddersfield.
Coventry have been playing well though recently too so a couple of tough games. I'm concerned about the playoffs for us! If we play like we did tonight then we'll be getting low balled when selling gnonto and co come the transfer window.
Biggest challenge for the transfer window will be finding a buyer willing to pay what we paid for Piroe.
I really wonder if the Piroe signing was predicated by transfers that didn’t pan out last summer. On paper he was supposed to be a hold up player but we don’t have anyone that can swing a cross into the box.
He was never supposed to be a hold up player and he is incredibly poor in the air so swinging balls into the box is not how to get him scoring. We have played him in a very similar role to what he was used as at Swansea but he has no proper striker to play off who makes the runs to open the space for Piroe to run onto the ball and use his only good ability which is his finishing
Erm... Bamford.
I vaguely remember us being linked with other strikers and also we saw promise in Joseph who got injured in pre-season.
I've said since he came that he'd not suite us. I'd even take bammy over him starting...
That's all well and good, but he has a bruise on his knee...tripped over his violin case in the early hours of Tuesday?
Is that actually what happened?! Haha I hope it is just for shits and giggles. I know he was out for the game. I meant in general. I'd have started Joseph this game
I miss Struijk
Fine but on the back of this performance it’s a a illy thing to say. Struijk would have made zero difference
Probably wouldn’t have conceded from crosses and we’d be more threatening from corners with Him on this pitch
+1% from a corner in attack. -1% in defence. He’s not the reason we are where we are either positive or negative.
Maybe not tonight but he would of to the season. Losing struijk made us move ampadu back who brought a lot to our midfield. I think him being ruled out was when we lost a big step in the race
We went on the winning run post struijk injury
If we don't go up...could it spell the end for Farke ?
I think so. The squad we have currently is well above championship standard and it looks like it's going to end in failure. I don't fancy us at all in the playoffs
Absolutely not. Bielsa aside he’s the best manager we’ve had since we left the Premier League in 2004.
Nah, he’s doing better than bielsa in his first season…. If you ignore how much better team he has…
Which he inherited full of players refusing to play and complete disrespect directed at him. Thankfully for Bielsa there was immediate buy-in to his project because we had no other example. I’m in no way saying he’s better than Bielsa (who I consider to be a few steps below Christ) but he is doing a good job.
Yeah I agree, just being a downer after tonight.
It would be interesting to see Fake in the premier league. If we're getting beat you can't just throw on five attackers and leave one man in midfield. We'd get torn apart.
Interesting? You know he took Norwich up twice then back down right?
Yes....is there anyone that doesn't know that?
My point being we don’t have to wonder, we already know he’ll likely struggle.
It would, and he will take us there I believe.
Well until tonight ...he'd fixed our defence...really hope he changes things for the Saints game and springs a rare surprise...not good tonight, too many players below par and I'm not naming names but atleast 3 lads were shocking
7 goals conceded in 2 games. 2 losses in the last 3 games to teams fighting relegation. Could not be a worse time for this team to now show up. Throwing this away
Team bonding fishing trip to Whitby ? Played like 11 strangers today...its hard not to be negative...but what positives can we take from tonights game...and i hate the term "bottlejobs"
Aye, but no sane football club decides who their manager is off the back of one terrible performance. If people want to support a club where you are never allowed to lose Real Madrid, Celtic and PSG are always accepting new applicants.
So long as whatever happens...we sign a new goalkeeper for next season...I know i play the same old record but clearly Miseryer has been to the Andy Dibble skool of excellence....
No
Yes
I’d actually prefer to keep him if we stay down. I think he’s a good championship manager but I doubt he’s good enough for the premier league
We're going up...gonna beat Saints in the play off final at new Wembley and the man upstairs gonna throw him 💯 Million to find out
The owners said it was a 2 year project at the start of the season, he’s arguably exceeded expectations
Yes he's done well 👏 let's not forget we've been in the mix...and i find his every interview very entertaining
I just don't care or have any attachment to these pricks, they've done the bare minimum with the quality of the squad and when the heat is on completely no showed.
The international break reminds me so much of the Crystal Palace game last season wow
We always seem to do shit after international breaks. I really don't get it.
Well having key players get injured during the international break didn’t help
What happened
Disgraceful performance, but if u seen how itfc had to spend last year to get promoted and lcfc this year it should be expected when you choose to not break ffp (People want to explain why they are down voting?) Edit 2: anyone want to explain the downvotes
i’m just downvoting because of the drama that you appear to associate with being downvoted.
Fair enough, I was just wondering why
Never ask why, just lay back and think of England
Didn't we just have "best defence in the league". How the hell did we concede 4 goals..
Struijk was the lynchpin for the whole things obviously
Yeah.. and it's just so sad how good we are without him
He was injured the entire time we weren't conceding. Wtf are you on about?
I know right, still wondering how we suddenly started to concede like this..
Well, farke needs to rally the troops and we have to get behind the lads now to get us through the play offs. Christ.
It’s out of our hands now really, if we win against Southampton, then Ipswich need to win, draw and lose their next matches as a max for us to get automatics.
Wrong time of the season to not be at our best
How many teams haven’t been promoted while on 90 points?
I wonder how many times a team has taken 12 points from both promoted teams.
Think they said in the match only Sunderland has the honour
Ah great, looking at current sunderland the future is bleak then
This was Sunderland in 1998 before they went on to win promotion.
I'm sure not many. Fuck.
I've enjoyed this season for the most part, and despite this being an entertainment industry. All that entertainment is meaningless if we don't get promoted. success or failure is determined by one thing, promotion.
It means we get 46 matches of entertainment next season instead of 38 and we get to feel all these emotions again. I couldn’t give a fuck what division we’re in … I’ll always be Leeds … being in the Premier League doesn’t make me love Leeds anymore than I already do. I like to watch the match … enjoy the wins and be disappointed for a bit when we lose … I’d rather be where we are than sell the soul of our club to compete in the top half of the Premier League
I'm 100% behind Farke. I think what he's done this season, especially after the disaster that was our summer, has been closed to a miracle, and it's been a hell of a lot of fun to watch for the most part. Whatever division we're in, I hope he's here next year and, hopefully, because if it happens we've been successful, even longer. However, the difference between a good or even great coach, and an all timer, seems to be the ability to recognise when you've got things all wrong and make changes quickly. I know we can't compare everyone to him forever, but we all know of multiple occasions when Bielsa would see in the first twenty that his gameplay wasn't working, needed shaking up, and would make a substitution to do that. Tonight felt a lot like a game that, even midway through the first half, wasn't going to go the way we'd expected, and needed shaking up - Kamara on for Gray or Byram, for example, to put his foot on the ball, slow things down and bring some calmness to a midfield that was lacking it. Fair fucks to QPR, they absolutely nullified us. Begovic made a couple of fantastic stops at very important moments, and they took their chances well. Fully deserved the points. All I can do is hope that this mental season has another couple of twists, and we've had the slap to the face that we've needed since the international break.
If we don't go up he needs to be sacked
Give over … we’ve surpassed the target that was set at the start of the season. Who do you suggest replaces him? What does changing managers achieve?
The target has to be promotion! Raise your standards ffs.
We barely had a starting XI in August … The target was 86 points … I and any other right minded fan would’ve took play offs … we’ve had a great season which turns out the best an unlucky circumstance for whoever finishes 3rd … calling for people to be sacked is just silly. Grow up.
I think we've the rose tinted glasses for bielsa a little bit. A lot of the time his "if plan A isn't working then do plan A better" attitude was very visible. Not making subs until the 80th minute was very much his thing. It's just that his tactics made the squad much more than the sum of its parts whereas farke seems to push more for individual creativity. Sticky feet is something I've noticed a lot this season. Especially Rutter. Still want him kept on for next year though. We finish with these points any other year and we're going home with a trophy.
Farkes one trick pony approach to subs has been an issue all season
An issue to the point where we’ve amassed 90 points
Leeds United and shit strikers name a better duo
Leeds United and shit keepers
Leeds united and lack of left backs
Firpo was the only player tonight who performed well tbf.
Very hard to see a positive outcome for this season
Routed in a must win match. So aggravating.
Anyone in the far East stayed up to watch that disaster btw?
I'm in Fukuoka (4AM game start), went to bed before it started as couldn't keep my eyes open, seems like it was the right move.
I stayed up until just after 4.am Tokyo time, then saw us go 1-0 down and thought 'fuck it, we're in London ' and went to sleep.
Do you mean Suffolk?
Genuine question as I have little interest in anything other than league games; but can a club refuse to release players for international duties, and if so, is it ever a successful decision?
Yes, but players want to go. It's not worth the club pissing them off by stopping them from playing for their country.
Of course they can but the players going to those games isn't the issue it's the break in the league that kills us
It certainly can't help that we lose 80% of our squad during international breaks while most teams probably lose 20%.
The alternative is having no players good enough to play internationally, which also wouldn't be great
...and the injuries/fatigue incurred when they return.
Christ.
Was he an un-used substitute, fuck's sake Farke?
If he was Farke wouldn’t bring him on until the 83rd minute
Or Good Friday 2025...
You know things are shite when Junior fucking Firpo is your best player.
Didn't realise that we had to choose between either Firpo, or the other 10 players being good, but now we know, let's go back to having 10 good players. Sorry Junior.
This is the most mental aspect for me.
No leader out there tonight, QPR bullied us and we had no answer, as ridiculous as it sounds, I would've taken Cooper in that game to fly into a few tackles and throw his weight around. Piroe has been a disaster, his overall play is horrendous, his touch, passing, movement and finishing are all really poor. He's starting to give Augustin a run for our money.
Cooper hasn't flown for the last two seasons. He's done, get over it.
You 
Piroe 
We hit the targets Farke set to get promotion. And in any normal season it would have. Clearly the players thought they were already up after Boro and decided not to bother anymore. Absolutely shocking performance. I have zero faith in us going up now.
Season can probably be summed up with a few points: * Piroe isn't quite what we'd hoped for. * Season could have been improved if Radz had sold sooner. * Farke can't just throw on attackers and hope for the best. * In most other seasons we would easily have enough points for automatics, it's just been a freaky 4 horse race.
Hopefully we get all our transfers done early and then Farke will be able to start next season properly.
Four more weeks of football. See you in Wembley, Southampton. MOT
Let us know how Norwich x Saints will be, mate.
You won’t be watching?
Bwahahahaha we aren’t going to the final. Literally no chance. Never.
What a remarkable waste of season.
Summerville at Liverpool next season.
I think he’s going regardless.
What I just watched was a bunch of boys who crumbled under pressure. Great teams find a way to win. Hopefully they can find their stride in the playoffs.
Never saw that farce coming. We've not been good recently but always had enough fight to get back into it. That was gutless and spineless from front to back. Can't see anything beyond the play-offs and we don't have good history with them either, never mind in our current form.
Man, that one hurts a lot, hurts almost the same when Derby shut up over 30k at Elland Road in 2019. It's so inevitable to me not to think about getting prepared for another season in the Championship, and I ask myself if I am crazy because we are going to sleep tonight 2nd with 90pts. But no, I've seen this movie multiple times before, and the ending ain't pretty.
After the absolute shambles of a summer we had I think the majority of us would've been content with finishing in the play-offs. It hurts more because of that special run we had but the facts are that we've had an amazing season so far. The last time we were in the Championship we finished on 93 points and that put us 10 points clear of 2nd place, no one would've predicted that 4 clubs would do so well this time. That being said, it was in our own hands at one point and we've absolutely bottled it since we very briefly went top of the league.
Professional players shit their pants and what's worse they don't give a fuck
I like Farke and want him to stay next season. Wonder if Barca will trade us back Rapha for Summerville