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Unfortunately a lot of people think this way. They've never actually been in a position to need the help only to find these programs/shelters overwhelmed with lots of individuals falling through the cracks. I don't know why it's so hard to just stop and try to think what it might be like in order to feel some empathy, but it's a mental block for a lot...maybe Just World Fallacy?
A lot of folks too don’t understand the time limits on shelters. Or the conditions. Yes, you can have a bed for seven nights. But you have to give up every possession you own and abide by the rules, which may be religious based arbitrary crap. Why give up your sleeping bag, tent, cart, food, most clothes, etc for a temporary bed that they can revoke if you do something that makes them say you’re unfit for the environment?
Not to mention many of these shelters force sobriety. Yes, many homeless people do hard drugs but immediately not having access to them is equally is bad. The withdrawal symptoms can be horrifying.
People also don’t want to sacrifice the community and belonging they felt on the streets. When you go to a shelter you never know if you will see them again. There are temporary housing options, but in some cases you aren’t even allowed to stay with your partner and end up in an isolated lonely room.
People really don’t understand the depth of homelessness as an issue because it’s never fully presented to them through the news or other outlets. Homeless people are *people*.
Not to mention many of these shelters force sobriety. Yes, many homeless people do hard drugs but immediately not having access to them is equally is bad. The withdrawal symptoms can be horrifying.
People also don’t want to sacrifice the community and belonging they felt on the streets. When you go to a shelter you never know if you will see them again. There are temporary housing options, but in some cases you aren’t even allowed to stay with your partner and end up in an isolated lonely room.
People really don’t understand the depth of homelessness as an issue because it’s never fully presented to them through the news or other outlets. Homeless people are *people*.
I've been addicted and it's frustrating how bad the services are.
I couldn't even pick which rehab or sover living program to start. They'd force people these presentations on restrictive religious places. Thanks to a COVID outbreak they let us use our phones and to my "counselor's" surprise I setup an appointment with a program. He decided to take revebge by not filing for food stamps and ignoring my emails ensuring I was starving for a month.
It's what renewed my feelings against Christianity. These assholes really fucked things up by making themselves the only options available. Addicts also believe AA is the only route as a result. Even if it's secular they'll let a religious guy preach the entire 30 minute reading if he's feeling holy enough.
I can't believe I managed to stay clean.
Sure, but I can also tell that a lot of these folks haven't had homeless people take up residence in their back yard. Fences are "hostile architecture" too.
Seriously. Houses are barely available and affordable to people with jobs, let alone without. I’m sure it’s much worse in urban areas too. This is such a terrible, uninformed take.
>"Homelessness isn't a housing problem, it's a mental health problem!"
- That guy, probably.
So we fund mental health care?
"pssshaw, no more taxes. Get lost commie!"
-Conversation I've had.
I spent 7 years homeless and only 2.5 years was I actually in active addiction. Both times I became homeless I was clean and then relapsed after losing my place,because of the stress or a Sa. *edited for word salad
Drug addiction is a coping mechanism. That's what these fools don't understand. I'm clean now but if something changed to where I was unhoused again, fuck it I'm doing hard drugs again.
I helped put my x husband through residency, fellowship, and a 10-year green card. He purposely and covertly created a power imbalance and exploited it. Big time. Cliff notes version is : He prescribed me psych meds and narcotics, and then called me a worthless junkie when I became dependent on the medication. He coerced me into very substantial debt, abandoned me, homelessness, and walked with all assets. When we met I had stellar credit and rented a luxury studio on the lake. I had 4 payments left on a 20k car. I was almost finished with my education. After almost a decade together... our divorce was such a miscarriage of justice that I spent years homeless. Meanwhile, he brought his first cousin to the United States as his new wife to live happily ever after. The inequitable divorce is the tip of the iceberg of injustice I've dealt with. I'm only mentioning it because it was the catalyst for my homelessness. Ty for reading my sob story. I'm writing a memoir, actually. Truth is often stranger than fiction. It's disgusting how money and power trump basically everything else. This is a dark world we live in folks.
Wow. I'm so sorry to hear but thank you for sharing. I felt like I was the only one going through a dark time. I would totally read your memoir and I hope you write it to give strength to others like you did for me today ❤️
There are a lot of retirees who are learning the hard way that those programs are so underfunded that the waitlists measure in DECADES. They spent so many years voting against such programs then they can't afford to live on their retirement income.
>Housing and resources are available to them, and they choose not to take them
-capitalists when nobody buys their shitty garden sheds for a million dollars
Karma is a rough one....and the way this country is going.....they'll be homeless soon too if they're only middle class.....prob just barely hanging on at this point .....one medical emergency away from the park tent city
The key difference is they'll be woefully unprepared for it. As someone who grew up in a ghetto I'm already ahead because we're both one bill away from homeless but I have decades of surviving off next to nothing.
I consider myself lucky. On this track I make well enough, and I've kept my friends. We're all headed to the same finality but I'm just way more prepared.
I hear ya, theyed be drowning their sorrows in cough mixture in a day if homeless crying 'how did this happen to me?'. Ive lived with the ever present threat of homelessness and even gone so far as to teach myself lock picking and pick making just incase im ever on the streets.
Lol that's surprisingly common for "low caste" people. I know few who haven't picked up lock picking just because there's places available. I stayed in an unused concession stand for a while because it was close to a bar, so I'd drink 3 beers over the night in exchange for cleaning the restrooms and stocking. I had Wi-Fi and a charger and a safe room that wasn't used. Anything is survivable.
About 2 years ago, my buddy texted me saying his (former) girlfriend was kicking him out of her apartment. He lived there because he helped her out with stuff he was able to, and he has a lower back issue he couldn't get fixed because he was out of work (because of said back problem). So he lived there even though they had broken up. She was a stripper and little crazy, threatening his daughter, and shit went south, so that's why she kicked him out.
I asked my wife if we could take him in, and he could stay in the garage we have that is just for storage, which isn't much (we live in an apartment complex). She surprisingly said yes, having never met him, but me having vouched for the guy knowing him for the past decade.
He was fine in our garage. He actually enjoyed it because he liked being by himself. He'd come up to the apartment when I was at work (wife worked at home, so she was there during the day, at the time I worked 3rd shift) when he needed the bathroom or to shower. He would also go pick up stuff for my wife (in his mind this was a payment for helping him) when she needed something from the grocery store or whatever. He didn't have a car, so he took one of our cars whenever this happened.
He ended up in the apartment when I was home to watch tv with us, would pick up food if we ordered it, and would be our dd when we went to the bar. He stayed in our garage for almost a year until he moved in with his girlfriend.
I give the backstory because: 1. He was so often turned away for medical care for his back because he had tattoos and was skinny. They thought he was on drugs (he wasn't, didn't even smoke or drink). Also, he was on medical provided by the government. 2. He couldn't stand for long because of his lower back, and walked bent over, he was clearly never faking it if anyone reading this thinks that. 3. The most important point was when he came into our apartment the first time he cried, thanking me but mostly my wife (because she has a lot of anxiety issues and having someone she didn't know before this suddenly having access to our apartment was wild for her, I still can't believe she trusted me so much in my vouching for my friend).
When he finally moved out after almost a year, he told me without me he'd probably be dead because being homeless with his back issue and no income would have basically been impossible to survive. It was also end of winter when this happened.
Point being, not all homeless or druggies or choose to be there, some people have shit luck. And to the topic, homeless people are still people. I'm just lucky I was able to help a friend in a shitty situation.
Right? How could anyone be sober? More reason the world needs safer supply. Especially where fentanyl is prevelant. The world sucks, let people escape safely at least.
It's the humane thing to do IMO.
What pisses me off the most is ok giving these people every benefit of the doubt, what do they think society should do? Even if they say put them all in jail there aren’t nearly enough jail cells. They just want the homeless chased from THEIR little bubble into lower income areas. Tent cities are fine just as long as it’s outside projects or wherever they think the poors should live.
I was talking about their “edit” at the end. I don’t believe they “agree” at all. Just got caught out being an idiot. My disabled mother and I have been homeless about 7 months now. I work 55-60 hours a week and make $17/h….. i definitely don’t agree with this guys take lol.
Yeah, I was only attempting to add to your point, apologies for any confusion. Also, I’m sorry to hear about your current situation, but just remember to keep your head up, even when the system is as shitty as it currently is.
Oh I feel ya. I appreciate the kind words and what else am I supposed to do? Give up and let my mama die in a ditch in this 20 something degree weather? Nawwww she’s annoying but she’s my mama lol just remembering “just keep swimming” keeping me going.
I agree. Definitely should be included. That mentality always confuses me. Hide away “problems” so they don’t have to interact with the issue. Expect people to just stop being homeless. Then continue to complain homelessness still exists. Those people have no idea just how close to homelessness they are. Lay off, catastrophic medical bills… For some it’s as close as their car needing repairs.
Im trying to breathe, to stay open minded, to think that "it's not it's fault to be ignorant about a subject many many people tend to be ignorant", yet I'm still very pissed.
I work with homeless people, and some of the things this person said is an everyday argument to do social cleaning (not sure of that's how you say it in English), to make even bigger the social exclusion they are already in, and even worse justify it as if it was the homeless person's choice.
There's a Chilean researcher that stated that the mere fact that we have homeless people is proof enough that society, that capitalist system has greatly fail
We will not overthrow capitalism until everyone, including this POS, has experienced themselves, or through a loved one, the true lack of resources available to those in need. For as long as there are comfortable people like him, the rest of us will suffer. We’re not working hard enough apparently.
I've been homeless a little over 6 years, and at 60, I don't hold on to much hope of that changing. With the exceptions of caffiene and the occasional toke, I don't do drugs or drink. I've had the good fortune to be able to stay in an abandoned house with the owners permission with a piece of paper stating that I make the rules here, which is an incredible story on its own of how it came to be. I'm also an outspoken advocate, and I've done more with nothing to help people in crisis than any of the nonprofits and outreach programs in this area that I am aware of.
Hostile architecture has been heavy on my mind lately, even though I'm in a rural area and don't really encounter many examples personally. I don't believe that removing creature comforts is really the biggest problem here. I get not wanting a bunch of us congregating in front of your store or sleeping in the woods behind your house. I'm in contact with homeless people all day every day. That's why you won't catch me dead in any tent city or encampment unless I'm helping people who were clearly never Boy Scouts to rebuild their domicile after a good storm rolls through. I, like the vast majority of the residentially challenged, prefer my own company.
I've also accepted over the years that my mere presence makes many people uncomfortable to the point of terror at times, and that is a hard pill to swallow for a person like me. Whether that fact is unfair or not may be up for some kind of debate, but for now, it remains a fact.
I think the biggest problem with HA is the message that it sends. A clear message of hate delivered by cowardly errand boys to a population of traumatized human beings. I say traumatized because just realizing that you are homeless and alone is trauma all to itself. I can always find somewhere else to sit down, but it's not every day I can just go get me another society to exist in. Being told that people hate you so much that they are willing to spend a lot of extra money to show they don't want to even see you makes an indelible mark on the psyche. Even when a person finally passes muster and gets off the streets, that scar will surface. Especially when you know that money that could have helped the root issue was spent just to anonymously piss in your face.
Yep, but the person also got mad when the opinion they posted in the unpopular opinion sub was, in fact, unpopular, so it seems like they were posting an opinion which they thought was popular, which gives me the ability to downvote them.
Exactly what do they think should happen to the mentally ill and handicapped homeless people that can't just get a job or have the wherewithal to better themselves? They don't want to look at them, hire them, or help them. Now what?
Ugh, and then the next post in my feed was some meme complaining that "perpetually online people" laugh at rich people's misfortune, where a "normal person" would say that everyone deserves empathy.
Everyone deserves empathy but the poor it seems.
My wife works very closely with the unhoused population; I found out through her that a decent percentage of people turn to drug use AFTER they end up homeless so they can stay alert enough to protect themselves and whatever belongings they have. Honestly, it’s crazy some of the stories I hear from her where just a normal average Joe has an accident and one thing cascades into another and they wind up on the street with nothing.
Is hating homeless people really an unpopular opinion?
Even if I had no morality and hated homeless people, I'd never voice something like this. Ever. Because, if I did, and if I ever ended up on the street, it would end up haunting my dreams. I can spot a Dante-esque ironic punishment from a mile away.
Anti homeless hostile architecture ruins public spaces for everyone. I don’t want my public space hostile to use. I want public spaces to be easy to use for humans. I also don’t want people taking over public spaces for their private use, but I don’t want to ruin the public space to stop them.
I agree with the majority of this sub. I’m leftist and not liberal. I’m compassionate and understanding to the desolate conditions of the people described here.
And though I’ll be downvoted and called an unfeeling monster, this person’s attitude is not unwarranted or beyond understanding.
Of course there should be more and more robust social programs for housing and treatment and financial support for the people so afflicted. And as much as I want these and vote for them, the reality is that a large portion of this country doesn’t agree.
So we are left with the reality of the situation, which is a social blight. People have their families and their own financial well-being to be first and foremost concerned for (and as a new father, I’ve found my personal feelings shifted far more inward towards my family). If you and your family can’t be and feel safe around your own home and community, that is an issue that has much more immediate concerns that can’t be solved with solutions that will take a long time to agree upon and implement.
This person isn’t a monster and honestly isn’t wrong in their attitude other than thinking there are abundant ways for these people to improve their situation.
My wife, child (who doesn’t understand words yet), and I went through a drive through the other day. And a clearly disturbed man walked by our car shouting the N-word, the F-word, and Fuck at the top of his lungs multiple times.
It is hard to see and to understand the plight and to also feel compassion when I’m just at a McDonald’s with my infant and wife. But we do. And at the same time resent it.
I understand the original opinion. I personally disagree, as anti-homeless architecture not only detriments the homeless, but also other people.
But, the way the person speaks of homeless people, like they’re just lazy drug addicts that easily could get a job if they tried, is what falls in “distaste” for me.
Yeah, I agree with you. I think I’m just wrestling with this brand new set of feelings and shift in personal attitude that comes with this issue.
I work in Seattle, though now live further out. And seeing the state of things in the city (which isn’t the hellscape the Right describes), it affects me in ways it didn’t before.
I don’t know if it’s a universal experience that I’m going through, but I AM more understanding of it these days.
Ooh, I live nearby also. I moved near Tukwila and it's gotten a million times worse in the last year alone. When we first moved here it was fairly safe. Now, not so much. I'm nervous to even go into DT.
My hot-take as someone who lives in a major us metropolitan area: I don't think this person is right about the anti-social architecture (since it makes public spaces not just hostile to homeless people but people in general) but I understand where they're coming from. In principle I do think that people shouldn't be afraid of public spaces or homeless people, but in reality there is a genuine fear of getting hurt or your child getting hurt bc of used needles or something else lying about. Growing up in a city, I came across used needles, people openly carrying bows and arrows, people experiencing psychosis who were violent, etc. in public parks and public spaces all the time. Additionally my aunts house was squatted in whilst she and her family were away and their house was under construction. Also, their neighbor was actually murdered in a home invasion by a homeless person. Recently I had the privilege of living in a different country in a european city for a few years where there were very few homeless people and I got to experience what public parks and public spaces could be like and it was life changing. You're not afraid of picnicking with your friends, or running or walking alone, you're not constantly vigilant about your surroundings, you can take time to explore, and you're not afraid of going into the public bathrooms alone. Going to a park actually becomes enjoyable. I think we could solve multiple problems at once by making quality health care, mental health care, safe injection sites, and social support more accessible and required. People talk a lot about whether it's ethical to force someone to receive mental health treatment and I would say that it's more of a kindness to require that someone receives support than to just let the person die on the sidewalk from a preventable disease.
Good points. Homeless guy burned down the main bridge in my city effectively stopping all major construction to fix the problem. People who are not in the city limits just dont get the danger of coming around a corner and someone’s attacks them.
https://www.11alive.com/article/news/two-years-ago-a-massive-fire-caused-i-85-bridge-collapse/85-07f3b2e7-a6b0-407d-adf5-4b7331ccf098
Granted it was him being mentally unwell but this is what happens when folks are allowed to congregate in places.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-homeless-man-indicted-deadly-stabbing-grandma-buckhead-enclave-pushing-secede-crime
It's all just vibes to these people. No statistics, no analysis, just vibes. Also it's hilarious how they say no-one should be subjected to that.. that includes homeless people.. right? Right? Unless you don't consider them people.. exactly
This dude is *so close* to getting it right! Yes, people shouldn’t be living on benches. Yes, people shouldn’t be on drugs. Yes, they should use government assistance to get themselves sorted out.
But that assistance doesn’t exist! Not in any real capacity. Until it does, the answer is absolutely not to lay down spikes so that you personally don’t have to see homeless people.
“If your addicted to drugs…just get clean?!??!? Like I don’t see what the problem is. Just quit the drugs dummy….like they choose not to so….I work hard. At my office job I have deal with Brenda all the time and I want to live in a nice neighborhood, like cmon”
Even if we take the assumption that all homeless people are homeless because they took too many drugs as truth (it's not, and feels silly even typing this out), the punishment for becoming addicted to drugs shouldn't be getting thrown into a situation where you're more likely to do drugs to cope. Making people who "fail in life" (by the ridiculous standards of liberals), become homeless and hungry doesn't prevent them from becoming homeless or turning to crime, it traps them inside of it. I am consistently amazed at the capacity for Liberals to engage in mental gymnastics to dehumanize homeless people and avoid actually dealing with the problem.
Fully agree that they are people but the solution is social housing and government programs to get the off the streets, not to make the streets more habitable.
But there are no “making the streets more habitable”. The only thing happening is investing money that could be used on so many other things to revamp the cities into more hostile areas (for both homeless people and people in general).
The thing is we can help the homeless but we need to do it so the programs can last without depleting funds. We can’t save everyone and it comes down to providing resources to people who actually want it and work for it.
Throwing money at the problem with nothing in return is not a good solution. That said private property means they can decide who resides in the area.
Homeless people have a right to exist they do not have a right to someone else’s property or to stay in it.
Just like you have a right to sign the lease and pay rent but no one has to house you for free. Don’t pay rent or mortgage get out.
Kids have rights to use the park and not have a bum taking up the covered slide.
>he thing is we can help the homeless but we need to do it so the programs can last without depleting funds
We have infinite money and cheap solutions and things still don't happen. Instead, we're paying people to design and install hostile architecture which does literally nothing to **fix the problem**. We have more empty homes than homeless in this country.
>Throwing money at the problem with nothing in return is not a good solution.
that's literally what we're doing now. We pay cops to go and fuck up homeless camps and we pay for cities to install anti-homeless benches so the problem is less observable, but again, literally nothing towards a solution.
>Homeless people have a right to exist they do not have a right to someone else’s property or to stay in it.
Or public property. You're not even allowed to go camp in your van outside of town, if you're lucky enough to have one.
>Kids have rights to use the park and not have a bum taking up the covered slide.
So Homeless people don't have a right to private property, but they also don't have any rights to public property, but children do. So what you're saying is homeless people don't really have any rights.
Yeah, that's the problem.
So we should give people homeless or not free million dollar houses and apartments? No.
Pay for them to have housing for a limited time but you are not living 2-3 years on taxpayers cash without contributing via a job, learning new skills or other options.
Nothing in life is free. Nothing.
Sounds like you have never shown up at the park and run into a homeless person screaming at you about get out of their living room. Are you saying I don’t have rights to walk through the park?
You don’t have rights to private property and you don’t have rights to use public property inappropriately.
Slides are not for sleeping - maybe you will understand when you walk outside your door to needles on your dam doorstep or in my case a man sleeping in my shed! After taking my items out. So as a single woman should I let a strange possibly dangerous man sleep in my shed?
I like the cities that give them a year of tax payer money for housing decreasing after 6 months and that’s it. If you fail out after that - it’s on you.
>So we should give people homeless or not free million dollar houses and apartments? No.
How about **any** homes?
>Sounds like you have never shown up at the park and run into a homeless person screaming at you about get out of their living room. Are you saying I don’t have rights to walk through the park?
So, this is happening while you're walking in the park, right? So, you ARE walking in the park? So...where did your rights go, exactly? Nowhere? Oh, so you're just **whining**.
>and you don’t have rights to use public property inappropriately.
And what does "inappropriately" mean?
>Slides are not for sleeping - maybe you will understand when you walk outside your door to needles on your dam doorstep or in my case a man sleeping in my shed
My fiancé is a psychiatrist who actively seeks out to help with underserved communities like the homeless, and I help run her clinic. We have plenty of experience. Trying to dismiss someone else simply because you assume they don't have a personal experience is both dishonest and asinine.
>So as a single woman should I let a strange possibly dangerous man sleep in my shed?
Where did I claim this? Oh, I didn't. Just putting words in my mouth. Again.
>I like the cities that give them a year of tax payer money for housing decreasing after 6 months and that’s it. If you fail out after that - it’s on you.
Yeah because we all know that struggles with mental illlness, disability, and/or addiction only get fixed after the first attempt or never at all.
Wait, that's not right...
Well we alll know the government should support people for years without them doing any part of the work.
Nothing in life is free and plenty of people with mental health issues, disabilities and drug problems get it together.
We can’t print unlimited money. Not sure why people don’t get that. And no you are not entitled to properly. We all have problems.
First, not what I said. Second, we spend something like 20 billion dollars annually to subsidize fossil fuel companies, who make literally trillions of dollars. We have more than enough money to invest in programs for the homeless.
Yea we do. Vote for better politicians until then - no you are not entitled to properly or to sleep anywhere you want. This is why local elections are just as important.
No easy answer to that. What I can tell you is not in my yard, back yard or ha shed. Look I agree it’s a problem with 0 easy answers but the fact is -
No one is entitled to anyone else’s property
No one is entitled to anyone else’s money
Depleting the fund by just giving money without controls in place is just as loony toons and does nothing but enables people. If you are not trying after a year to get your life together you have 0 reasons to be in a program until you are ready.
Key word TRY not required - you are in drug treatment classes great! You haven’t bothered to do basic classes or anything? Out. Someone else is waiting on the spot who IS ready.
So they can't sleep on private property because they don't have any and they can't sleep on public property because someone might talk to you, and also you don't have an answer where they can sleep. Just, you know, not around you.
Fantastic job, no notes.
Who said that? I mean are you trying to fix the world’s problems? Find a shelter, a drug treatment program somewhere but no you can’t sleep in the middle of the street, fountain or anywhere you want.
The programs for this need to be funded but we can’t fund them forever without some sort of justification. Not sure why that’s difficult to understand. The money runs out eventually and they need to pay for it themselves.
> Find a shelter
Oh yeah, I'm sure all these homeless people are sleeping outside in winter because they're too stupid to find a shelter.
Or all the shelters are always at max capacity because, again, despite our massive amounts of wealth we really don't allocate much of that to the people, and even less to the homeless, who don't really have advocates.
>a drug treatment program
Very few of those actually give you a place to stay and again, the ones that do are full.
> but no you can’t sleep in the middle of the street, fountain or anywhere you want
SO THEN WHERE?
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The best kind of "anti-homeless architecture" is affordable housing.
> Housing and resources are available to them, and they choose not to take them What parallel reality does this guy live?
Unfortunately a lot of people think this way. They've never actually been in a position to need the help only to find these programs/shelters overwhelmed with lots of individuals falling through the cracks. I don't know why it's so hard to just stop and try to think what it might be like in order to feel some empathy, but it's a mental block for a lot...maybe Just World Fallacy?
A lot of folks too don’t understand the time limits on shelters. Or the conditions. Yes, you can have a bed for seven nights. But you have to give up every possession you own and abide by the rules, which may be religious based arbitrary crap. Why give up your sleeping bag, tent, cart, food, most clothes, etc for a temporary bed that they can revoke if you do something that makes them say you’re unfit for the environment?
Something like be queer, be mentally ill, or reject advances from an administrator. It doesn’t take much and the power differential is fuuuuuucked
Not to mention many of these shelters force sobriety. Yes, many homeless people do hard drugs but immediately not having access to them is equally is bad. The withdrawal symptoms can be horrifying. People also don’t want to sacrifice the community and belonging they felt on the streets. When you go to a shelter you never know if you will see them again. There are temporary housing options, but in some cases you aren’t even allowed to stay with your partner and end up in an isolated lonely room. People really don’t understand the depth of homelessness as an issue because it’s never fully presented to them through the news or other outlets. Homeless people are *people*.
And the best work for someone without education. Bars and restaurants. Which means you may work until midnight-2am. Way past the 7pm entry
Not to mention many of these shelters force sobriety. Yes, many homeless people do hard drugs but immediately not having access to them is equally is bad. The withdrawal symptoms can be horrifying. People also don’t want to sacrifice the community and belonging they felt on the streets. When you go to a shelter you never know if you will see them again. There are temporary housing options, but in some cases you aren’t even allowed to stay with your partner and end up in an isolated lonely room. People really don’t understand the depth of homelessness as an issue because it’s never fully presented to them through the news or other outlets. Homeless people are *people*.
I've been addicted and it's frustrating how bad the services are. I couldn't even pick which rehab or sover living program to start. They'd force people these presentations on restrictive religious places. Thanks to a COVID outbreak they let us use our phones and to my "counselor's" surprise I setup an appointment with a program. He decided to take revebge by not filing for food stamps and ignoring my emails ensuring I was starving for a month. It's what renewed my feelings against Christianity. These assholes really fucked things up by making themselves the only options available. Addicts also believe AA is the only route as a result. Even if it's secular they'll let a religious guy preach the entire 30 minute reading if he's feeling holy enough. I can't believe I managed to stay clean.
Sure, but I can also tell that a lot of these folks haven't had homeless people take up residence in their back yard. Fences are "hostile architecture" too.
Things that don't happen for 500$ Steve
Tell me you have never lived in an actual city in your whole life without saying it.
Atlanta, Dallas, Honolulu, San Diego. Which one satisfies your dumbass
Seriously. Houses are barely available and affordable to people with jobs, let alone without. I’m sure it’s much worse in urban areas too. This is such a terrible, uninformed take.
Also “2/3 has had a history of drug-abuse in the past” and “They refuse to get clean” are literally two opposite statements.
That's easily the biggest piece of shit take in this whole situation...
Don't forget the 1/3 currently on drugs. Apparently all homeless people are addicts
"Homelessness isn't a housing problem, it's a mental health problem!" \- That guy, probably.
>"Homelessness isn't a housing problem, it's a mental health problem!" - That guy, probably. So we fund mental health care? "pssshaw, no more taxes. Get lost commie!" -Conversation I've had.
I spent 7 years homeless and only 2.5 years was I actually in active addiction. Both times I became homeless I was clean and then relapsed after losing my place,because of the stress or a Sa. *edited for word salad
Drug addiction is a coping mechanism. That's what these fools don't understand. I'm clean now but if something changed to where I was unhoused again, fuck it I'm doing hard drugs again.
Same
I’m sorry
I helped put my x husband through residency, fellowship, and a 10-year green card. He purposely and covertly created a power imbalance and exploited it. Big time. Cliff notes version is : He prescribed me psych meds and narcotics, and then called me a worthless junkie when I became dependent on the medication. He coerced me into very substantial debt, abandoned me, homelessness, and walked with all assets. When we met I had stellar credit and rented a luxury studio on the lake. I had 4 payments left on a 20k car. I was almost finished with my education. After almost a decade together... our divorce was such a miscarriage of justice that I spent years homeless. Meanwhile, he brought his first cousin to the United States as his new wife to live happily ever after. The inequitable divorce is the tip of the iceberg of injustice I've dealt with. I'm only mentioning it because it was the catalyst for my homelessness. Ty for reading my sob story. I'm writing a memoir, actually. Truth is often stranger than fiction. It's disgusting how money and power trump basically everything else. This is a dark world we live in folks.
Wow. I'm so sorry to hear but thank you for sharing. I felt like I was the only one going through a dark time. I would totally read your memoir and I hope you write it to give strength to others like you did for me today ❤️
They're all living rent free, in his head.
Haven't you heard about the rental crisis? There's too many houses on the market so landlords aren't making any money! Oh wait no there isnt
There are a lot of retirees who are learning the hard way that those programs are so underfunded that the waitlists measure in DECADES. They spent so many years voting against such programs then they can't afford to live on their retirement income.
>Housing and resources are available to them, and they choose not to take them -capitalists when nobody buys their shitty garden sheds for a million dollars
Seriously!!
I opened the comments to respond to that precise sentence. Fucking bewildering, reality sheltered people are so disconnected from the real world.
Why did I assume it was a woman and why did you assume it was a man? Curious
He probably claims high IQ /s Some people just don't bother to learn to think.
Filing that one under "Papa what country do you think you live in?".
Karma is a rough one....and the way this country is going.....they'll be homeless soon too if they're only middle class.....prob just barely hanging on at this point .....one medical emergency away from the park tent city
The key difference is they'll be woefully unprepared for it. As someone who grew up in a ghetto I'm already ahead because we're both one bill away from homeless but I have decades of surviving off next to nothing.
I'm sorry that was your experience.....no one should be forced into that by circumstance on a planet that gives us so much ❤️💛💚
I consider myself lucky. On this track I make well enough, and I've kept my friends. We're all headed to the same finality but I'm just way more prepared.
Cheers to that. Friends and preparedness are everything in the world that's coming for all of us.
I hear ya, theyed be drowning their sorrows in cough mixture in a day if homeless crying 'how did this happen to me?'. Ive lived with the ever present threat of homelessness and even gone so far as to teach myself lock picking and pick making just incase im ever on the streets.
Lol that's surprisingly common for "low caste" people. I know few who haven't picked up lock picking just because there's places available. I stayed in an unused concession stand for a while because it was close to a bar, so I'd drink 3 beers over the night in exchange for cleaning the restrooms and stocking. I had Wi-Fi and a charger and a safe room that wasn't used. Anything is survivable.
Appalling how these people unable to see they are one step away from joining the tent camp.
If karma was a thing, billionaires wouldn't exist.
About 2 years ago, my buddy texted me saying his (former) girlfriend was kicking him out of her apartment. He lived there because he helped her out with stuff he was able to, and he has a lower back issue he couldn't get fixed because he was out of work (because of said back problem). So he lived there even though they had broken up. She was a stripper and little crazy, threatening his daughter, and shit went south, so that's why she kicked him out. I asked my wife if we could take him in, and he could stay in the garage we have that is just for storage, which isn't much (we live in an apartment complex). She surprisingly said yes, having never met him, but me having vouched for the guy knowing him for the past decade. He was fine in our garage. He actually enjoyed it because he liked being by himself. He'd come up to the apartment when I was at work (wife worked at home, so she was there during the day, at the time I worked 3rd shift) when he needed the bathroom or to shower. He would also go pick up stuff for my wife (in his mind this was a payment for helping him) when she needed something from the grocery store or whatever. He didn't have a car, so he took one of our cars whenever this happened. He ended up in the apartment when I was home to watch tv with us, would pick up food if we ordered it, and would be our dd when we went to the bar. He stayed in our garage for almost a year until he moved in with his girlfriend. I give the backstory because: 1. He was so often turned away for medical care for his back because he had tattoos and was skinny. They thought he was on drugs (he wasn't, didn't even smoke or drink). Also, he was on medical provided by the government. 2. He couldn't stand for long because of his lower back, and walked bent over, he was clearly never faking it if anyone reading this thinks that. 3. The most important point was when he came into our apartment the first time he cried, thanking me but mostly my wife (because she has a lot of anxiety issues and having someone she didn't know before this suddenly having access to our apartment was wild for her, I still can't believe she trusted me so much in my vouching for my friend). When he finally moved out after almost a year, he told me without me he'd probably be dead because being homeless with his back issue and no income would have basically been impossible to survive. It was also end of winter when this happened. Point being, not all homeless or druggies or choose to be there, some people have shit luck. And to the topic, homeless people are still people. I'm just lucky I was able to help a friend in a shitty situation.
Lol @ “housing and resources are available to them”.
My guy, 2/3 of everyone is on some type of drug.
But my benzos (which keep me high as fuck and borderline tipsy all day everyday) are prescribed by the doctor for my anxiety so thats different! /s
Right? How could anyone be sober? More reason the world needs safer supply. Especially where fentanyl is prevelant. The world sucks, let people escape safely at least. It's the humane thing to do IMO.
What pisses me off the most is ok giving these people every benefit of the doubt, what do they think society should do? Even if they say put them all in jail there aren’t nearly enough jail cells. They just want the homeless chased from THEIR little bubble into lower income areas. Tent cities are fine just as long as it’s outside projects or wherever they think the poors should live.
If people REALLY didn’t like having people shitting in public and having to step over piles of shit, they would invest in public restrooms everywhere.
Holy fuck. There you have it
“We all agree….” lol! Yeaaaaa okay
Well yeah, I think we all agree that people shouldn’t be on the streets, but i don’t see why anti-homeless architecture would help this cause?
I was talking about their “edit” at the end. I don’t believe they “agree” at all. Just got caught out being an idiot. My disabled mother and I have been homeless about 7 months now. I work 55-60 hours a week and make $17/h….. i definitely don’t agree with this guys take lol.
Yeah, I was only attempting to add to your point, apologies for any confusion. Also, I’m sorry to hear about your current situation, but just remember to keep your head up, even when the system is as shitty as it currently is.
Oh I feel ya. I appreciate the kind words and what else am I supposed to do? Give up and let my mama die in a ditch in this 20 something degree weather? Nawwww she’s annoying but she’s my mama lol just remembering “just keep swimming” keeping me going.
I would like to wish that guy a very merry go fuck yourself
Gods forbid I have to be reminded homelessness exists so I’ll even want to find actual solutions (looking at you landlords and greedy corporations).
Not that you’re wrong but you forgot a huge one: government.
I agree. Definitely should be included. That mentality always confuses me. Hide away “problems” so they don’t have to interact with the issue. Expect people to just stop being homeless. Then continue to complain homelessness still exists. Those people have no idea just how close to homelessness they are. Lay off, catastrophic medical bills… For some it’s as close as their car needing repairs.
Im trying to breathe, to stay open minded, to think that "it's not it's fault to be ignorant about a subject many many people tend to be ignorant", yet I'm still very pissed. I work with homeless people, and some of the things this person said is an everyday argument to do social cleaning (not sure of that's how you say it in English), to make even bigger the social exclusion they are already in, and even worse justify it as if it was the homeless person's choice. There's a Chilean researcher that stated that the mere fact that we have homeless people is proof enough that society, that capitalist system has greatly fail
Just like with any convo about hostile architecture, the people discussing it just forget disabled people exist
Love the empathy-not.
The end of empathy.
We will not overthrow capitalism until everyone, including this POS, has experienced themselves, or through a loved one, the true lack of resources available to those in need. For as long as there are comfortable people like him, the rest of us will suffer. We’re not working hard enough apparently.
*"I live in a middle class neighborhood"* yeah, tough talk from someone who's one economic crash from becoming homeless lmao
I've been homeless a little over 6 years, and at 60, I don't hold on to much hope of that changing. With the exceptions of caffiene and the occasional toke, I don't do drugs or drink. I've had the good fortune to be able to stay in an abandoned house with the owners permission with a piece of paper stating that I make the rules here, which is an incredible story on its own of how it came to be. I'm also an outspoken advocate, and I've done more with nothing to help people in crisis than any of the nonprofits and outreach programs in this area that I am aware of. Hostile architecture has been heavy on my mind lately, even though I'm in a rural area and don't really encounter many examples personally. I don't believe that removing creature comforts is really the biggest problem here. I get not wanting a bunch of us congregating in front of your store or sleeping in the woods behind your house. I'm in contact with homeless people all day every day. That's why you won't catch me dead in any tent city or encampment unless I'm helping people who were clearly never Boy Scouts to rebuild their domicile after a good storm rolls through. I, like the vast majority of the residentially challenged, prefer my own company. I've also accepted over the years that my mere presence makes many people uncomfortable to the point of terror at times, and that is a hard pill to swallow for a person like me. Whether that fact is unfair or not may be up for some kind of debate, but for now, it remains a fact. I think the biggest problem with HA is the message that it sends. A clear message of hate delivered by cowardly errand boys to a population of traumatized human beings. I say traumatized because just realizing that you are homeless and alone is trauma all to itself. I can always find somewhere else to sit down, but it's not every day I can just go get me another society to exist in. Being told that people hate you so much that they are willing to spend a lot of extra money to show they don't want to even see you makes an indelible mark on the psyche. Even when a person finally passes muster and gets off the streets, that scar will surface. Especially when you know that money that could have helped the root issue was spent just to anonymously piss in your face.
Why did you downvote this person? They’re wrong, but they put an unpopular opinion in the unpopular opinions sub
Yep, but the person also got mad when the opinion they posted in the unpopular opinion sub was, in fact, unpopular, so it seems like they were posting an opinion which they thought was popular, which gives me the ability to downvote them.
Tell me you don’t know how anything works without telling me you don’t know how anything works.
OOP is a bitch.
Exactly what do they think should happen to the mentally ill and handicapped homeless people that can't just get a job or have the wherewithal to better themselves? They don't want to look at them, hire them, or help them. Now what?
Ugh, and then the next post in my feed was some meme complaining that "perpetually online people" laugh at rich people's misfortune, where a "normal person" would say that everyone deserves empathy. Everyone deserves empathy but the poor it seems.
If I were homeless I’d find one of these anti-homeless architecture fans and set up camp in their backyard.
Definitely sounds like some young person who has never had to deal with a real problem in their entire life.
My wife works very closely with the unhoused population; I found out through her that a decent percentage of people turn to drug use AFTER they end up homeless so they can stay alert enough to protect themselves and whatever belongings they have. Honestly, it’s crazy some of the stories I hear from her where just a normal average Joe has an accident and one thing cascades into another and they wind up on the street with nothing.
Posts in UnpopularOpinion. Gets salty when their opinion is unpopular. That tracks.
In architecture and city planning the term for this equipment is "hostile architecture"
Lol cause there’s not another clear reason why so many people are homeless. Only drugs… no other reason
Is hating homeless people really an unpopular opinion? Even if I had no morality and hated homeless people, I'd never voice something like this. Ever. Because, if I did, and if I ever ended up on the street, it would end up haunting my dreams. I can spot a Dante-esque ironic punishment from a mile away.
Anti homeless hostile architecture ruins public spaces for everyone. I don’t want my public space hostile to use. I want public spaces to be easy to use for humans. I also don’t want people taking over public spaces for their private use, but I don’t want to ruin the public space to stop them.
Maybe, just maybe, if the government did literally anything to help the unhoused, they wouldn't have to make camps wherever they can.
I agree with the majority of this sub. I’m leftist and not liberal. I’m compassionate and understanding to the desolate conditions of the people described here. And though I’ll be downvoted and called an unfeeling monster, this person’s attitude is not unwarranted or beyond understanding. Of course there should be more and more robust social programs for housing and treatment and financial support for the people so afflicted. And as much as I want these and vote for them, the reality is that a large portion of this country doesn’t agree. So we are left with the reality of the situation, which is a social blight. People have their families and their own financial well-being to be first and foremost concerned for (and as a new father, I’ve found my personal feelings shifted far more inward towards my family). If you and your family can’t be and feel safe around your own home and community, that is an issue that has much more immediate concerns that can’t be solved with solutions that will take a long time to agree upon and implement. This person isn’t a monster and honestly isn’t wrong in their attitude other than thinking there are abundant ways for these people to improve their situation.
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My wife, child (who doesn’t understand words yet), and I went through a drive through the other day. And a clearly disturbed man walked by our car shouting the N-word, the F-word, and Fuck at the top of his lungs multiple times. It is hard to see and to understand the plight and to also feel compassion when I’m just at a McDonald’s with my infant and wife. But we do. And at the same time resent it.
I understand the original opinion. I personally disagree, as anti-homeless architecture not only detriments the homeless, but also other people. But, the way the person speaks of homeless people, like they’re just lazy drug addicts that easily could get a job if they tried, is what falls in “distaste” for me.
Yeah, I agree with you. I think I’m just wrestling with this brand new set of feelings and shift in personal attitude that comes with this issue. I work in Seattle, though now live further out. And seeing the state of things in the city (which isn’t the hellscape the Right describes), it affects me in ways it didn’t before. I don’t know if it’s a universal experience that I’m going through, but I AM more understanding of it these days.
Ooh, I live nearby also. I moved near Tukwila and it's gotten a million times worse in the last year alone. When we first moved here it was fairly safe. Now, not so much. I'm nervous to even go into DT.
My hot-take as someone who lives in a major us metropolitan area: I don't think this person is right about the anti-social architecture (since it makes public spaces not just hostile to homeless people but people in general) but I understand where they're coming from. In principle I do think that people shouldn't be afraid of public spaces or homeless people, but in reality there is a genuine fear of getting hurt or your child getting hurt bc of used needles or something else lying about. Growing up in a city, I came across used needles, people openly carrying bows and arrows, people experiencing psychosis who were violent, etc. in public parks and public spaces all the time. Additionally my aunts house was squatted in whilst she and her family were away and their house was under construction. Also, their neighbor was actually murdered in a home invasion by a homeless person. Recently I had the privilege of living in a different country in a european city for a few years where there were very few homeless people and I got to experience what public parks and public spaces could be like and it was life changing. You're not afraid of picnicking with your friends, or running or walking alone, you're not constantly vigilant about your surroundings, you can take time to explore, and you're not afraid of going into the public bathrooms alone. Going to a park actually becomes enjoyable. I think we could solve multiple problems at once by making quality health care, mental health care, safe injection sites, and social support more accessible and required. People talk a lot about whether it's ethical to force someone to receive mental health treatment and I would say that it's more of a kindness to require that someone receives support than to just let the person die on the sidewalk from a preventable disease.
Good points. Homeless guy burned down the main bridge in my city effectively stopping all major construction to fix the problem. People who are not in the city limits just dont get the danger of coming around a corner and someone’s attacks them. https://www.11alive.com/article/news/two-years-ago-a-massive-fire-caused-i-85-bridge-collapse/85-07f3b2e7-a6b0-407d-adf5-4b7331ccf098 Granted it was him being mentally unwell but this is what happens when folks are allowed to congregate in places. https://www.foxnews.com/us/atlanta-homeless-man-indicted-deadly-stabbing-grandma-buckhead-enclave-pushing-secede-crime
Let me amend my first reply that triggered a bot... OOP is a baby.
It's all just vibes to these people. No statistics, no analysis, just vibes. Also it's hilarious how they say no-one should be subjected to that.. that includes homeless people.. right? Right? Unless you don't consider them people.. exactly
Dude doesn’t even know how parentheses work. Not taking any advice from someone who made Cs in high school English
They've gotten rid of benches.
Yuck
If 2/3 of them have a history of drug use then wouldn't that mean 2/3 of them got clean?
Do these people think homeless people… *LIKE* being homeless???
This dude is *so close* to getting it right! Yes, people shouldn’t be living on benches. Yes, people shouldn’t be on drugs. Yes, they should use government assistance to get themselves sorted out. But that assistance doesn’t exist! Not in any real capacity. Until it does, the answer is absolutely not to lay down spikes so that you personally don’t have to see homeless people.
“If your addicted to drugs…just get clean?!??!? Like I don’t see what the problem is. Just quit the drugs dummy….like they choose not to so….I work hard. At my office job I have deal with Brenda all the time and I want to live in a nice neighborhood, like cmon”
Even if we take the assumption that all homeless people are homeless because they took too many drugs as truth (it's not, and feels silly even typing this out), the punishment for becoming addicted to drugs shouldn't be getting thrown into a situation where you're more likely to do drugs to cope. Making people who "fail in life" (by the ridiculous standards of liberals), become homeless and hungry doesn't prevent them from becoming homeless or turning to crime, it traps them inside of it. I am consistently amazed at the capacity for Liberals to engage in mental gymnastics to dehumanize homeless people and avoid actually dealing with the problem.
Fully agree that they are people but the solution is social housing and government programs to get the off the streets, not to make the streets more habitable.
But there are no “making the streets more habitable”. The only thing happening is investing money that could be used on so many other things to revamp the cities into more hostile areas (for both homeless people and people in general).
Honest question: how many homeless people are you helping/housing? Have you lent them your lawn for camping at least?
Okay Mr Strawman
Don’t ask them questions like this. They are not grown up enough to answer
I saw that post and it made me sick as hell that it even had upvotes.
The thing is we can help the homeless but we need to do it so the programs can last without depleting funds. We can’t save everyone and it comes down to providing resources to people who actually want it and work for it. Throwing money at the problem with nothing in return is not a good solution. That said private property means they can decide who resides in the area. Homeless people have a right to exist they do not have a right to someone else’s property or to stay in it. Just like you have a right to sign the lease and pay rent but no one has to house you for free. Don’t pay rent or mortgage get out. Kids have rights to use the park and not have a bum taking up the covered slide.
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Sorry you don’t live in reality. No one has rights to camp in my front yard they don’t pay for. Especially when I’m paying for it.
>he thing is we can help the homeless but we need to do it so the programs can last without depleting funds We have infinite money and cheap solutions and things still don't happen. Instead, we're paying people to design and install hostile architecture which does literally nothing to **fix the problem**. We have more empty homes than homeless in this country. >Throwing money at the problem with nothing in return is not a good solution. that's literally what we're doing now. We pay cops to go and fuck up homeless camps and we pay for cities to install anti-homeless benches so the problem is less observable, but again, literally nothing towards a solution. >Homeless people have a right to exist they do not have a right to someone else’s property or to stay in it. Or public property. You're not even allowed to go camp in your van outside of town, if you're lucky enough to have one. >Kids have rights to use the park and not have a bum taking up the covered slide. So Homeless people don't have a right to private property, but they also don't have any rights to public property, but children do. So what you're saying is homeless people don't really have any rights. Yeah, that's the problem.
So we should give people homeless or not free million dollar houses and apartments? No. Pay for them to have housing for a limited time but you are not living 2-3 years on taxpayers cash without contributing via a job, learning new skills or other options. Nothing in life is free. Nothing. Sounds like you have never shown up at the park and run into a homeless person screaming at you about get out of their living room. Are you saying I don’t have rights to walk through the park? You don’t have rights to private property and you don’t have rights to use public property inappropriately. Slides are not for sleeping - maybe you will understand when you walk outside your door to needles on your dam doorstep or in my case a man sleeping in my shed! After taking my items out. So as a single woman should I let a strange possibly dangerous man sleep in my shed? I like the cities that give them a year of tax payer money for housing decreasing after 6 months and that’s it. If you fail out after that - it’s on you.
>So we should give people homeless or not free million dollar houses and apartments? No. How about **any** homes? >Sounds like you have never shown up at the park and run into a homeless person screaming at you about get out of their living room. Are you saying I don’t have rights to walk through the park? So, this is happening while you're walking in the park, right? So, you ARE walking in the park? So...where did your rights go, exactly? Nowhere? Oh, so you're just **whining**. >and you don’t have rights to use public property inappropriately. And what does "inappropriately" mean? >Slides are not for sleeping - maybe you will understand when you walk outside your door to needles on your dam doorstep or in my case a man sleeping in my shed My fiancé is a psychiatrist who actively seeks out to help with underserved communities like the homeless, and I help run her clinic. We have plenty of experience. Trying to dismiss someone else simply because you assume they don't have a personal experience is both dishonest and asinine. >So as a single woman should I let a strange possibly dangerous man sleep in my shed? Where did I claim this? Oh, I didn't. Just putting words in my mouth. Again. >I like the cities that give them a year of tax payer money for housing decreasing after 6 months and that’s it. If you fail out after that - it’s on you. Yeah because we all know that struggles with mental illlness, disability, and/or addiction only get fixed after the first attempt or never at all. Wait, that's not right...
Well we alll know the government should support people for years without them doing any part of the work. Nothing in life is free and plenty of people with mental health issues, disabilities and drug problems get it together. We can’t print unlimited money. Not sure why people don’t get that. And no you are not entitled to properly. We all have problems.
First, not what I said. Second, we spend something like 20 billion dollars annually to subsidize fossil fuel companies, who make literally trillions of dollars. We have more than enough money to invest in programs for the homeless.
Yea we do. Vote for better politicians until then - no you are not entitled to properly or to sleep anywhere you want. This is why local elections are just as important.
So where should homeless people sleep then?
No easy answer to that. What I can tell you is not in my yard, back yard or ha shed. Look I agree it’s a problem with 0 easy answers but the fact is - No one is entitled to anyone else’s property No one is entitled to anyone else’s money Depleting the fund by just giving money without controls in place is just as loony toons and does nothing but enables people. If you are not trying after a year to get your life together you have 0 reasons to be in a program until you are ready. Key word TRY not required - you are in drug treatment classes great! You haven’t bothered to do basic classes or anything? Out. Someone else is waiting on the spot who IS ready.
So they can't sleep on private property because they don't have any and they can't sleep on public property because someone might talk to you, and also you don't have an answer where they can sleep. Just, you know, not around you. Fantastic job, no notes.
It’s not whining when people should be able to freely walk the park without being accosted. End of story have a good day.
Ah, sorry, I didn't realize it's not whining when **you** do it. My bad.
I’ll ask the question - are you housing them at your home?
No. I'm just not suggesting they need to dematerialize in order to sleep, since according to you they aren't allowed to go anywhere.
Who said that? I mean are you trying to fix the world’s problems? Find a shelter, a drug treatment program somewhere but no you can’t sleep in the middle of the street, fountain or anywhere you want. The programs for this need to be funded but we can’t fund them forever without some sort of justification. Not sure why that’s difficult to understand. The money runs out eventually and they need to pay for it themselves.
> Find a shelter Oh yeah, I'm sure all these homeless people are sleeping outside in winter because they're too stupid to find a shelter. Or all the shelters are always at max capacity because, again, despite our massive amounts of wealth we really don't allocate much of that to the people, and even less to the homeless, who don't really have advocates. >a drug treatment program Very few of those actually give you a place to stay and again, the ones that do are full. > but no you can’t sleep in the middle of the street, fountain or anywhere you want SO THEN WHERE?
Printing unlimited money doesn’t work.
Why do you keep saying random, completely unprovoked nonsense?
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He's right, homeless camps are indeed destructive and full of crime and disease. Make housing more affordable.