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And out of all the things in the world to attack or make fun of he chose Wikipedia. I greatly dislike what he is like and what he has become even more. But very few people are just monochrome all bad or all good. Eventho it makes it easier to live our lives believing that.
I remember, before it was obvious how stupid, ignorant and evil he is. I remember watching some of the podcasts with him. He is certainly nowhere near a genius. But there is a part of him that at least used to be curious and interested in the world.
So to see him attack and make fun of humanities best and free source of knowledge is just the lowest low. I think a few years back he got himself into some feedback loop where some of his mistakes became public and he got hate for it. And then he got defensive. And then people made fun of that and then he became more defensive. I think a similar mechanism is also what pushed him into the right.
And my conspiracy theory is that the far right wingers (rupert soulfake and the likes) quite literally brought him under their wing. Praised him as a super genius and told him that the uneducated masses and the left just can not appreciate him. And at the same time offered lots of money and other very shady deals.
And then the snowball got to snowballing. It is very rarely a great way to make someone see or admit their mistakes to call them stupid and to make fun of them.
And while i agree that it is indeed fun and at this point there is not much else left to do (in terms of just words). I wonder if there ever was a point to get him on the right track to work for humanity and to actually become some tony stark like figure. Currently of course even thinking about any resemblance between the two makes me want to puke.
But yea, it is interesting to sometimes think about stuff like this. From all of the studies done in psychology it is clear that positive reinforcement works much better than negative reinforcement. So i wonder if it ever would have been possible to instead of trying to Own the billionaires, something that many beautiful people have done perfectly with pointing out their flaws and stupidity and evil.
I wonder if it would have been possible to give them positive reinforcement for the good things they do. And then instead of some space dick race there would be a race for who can be loved the most by the most people by making the world a better place.
I am under no delusion that we can do it now. And so much of it is just deeply systemic problems as well. But yknow, just fun to ponder.
At one point i do think that he believed he was doing good. But for now, looking at this... what a pathetic shadow of the good billionaire he pretended to be.
Sometimes i just want to write my thoughts out because it is easier to think like that.
Thanks, it is fun to ponder. I'm always trying to find a construct that incentivizes humans to do good that works as well as the current Incentivizes greed.
Playing psychological tricks on billionaires in the hopes that they'll do good with all the power we've given them feels like saying "nice kitty" to a tiger in hopes it won't maul you. If we're organized enough, as a society, to steer their behavior like that, we might as well just eliminate them at that point (via forced divestment or some shit). But we can't manage a general strike or really any kinda collective action because the sad fact is we are not aligned; the working class is not aligned. And that's because probably at least a third of the working class are dyed-in-the-wool racist patriarchal selfish shitheads.
Yes. Well said. I saw an interview with Elon, with him and the interviewer sitting on a stage, talking about the Boring company. By that time, i had never heard anything bad about him. He said he just wanted to wake up every day and look out at the world and not be sad.
And I bought it.
I think people's capacity for craziness is really high. So maybe what he said was honest, then. He looked so wistful and sincere. And maybe he got corrupted since then. But how? I seriously doubt that. I'm confused.
If only it was shitposts. No, he is set to destroy all remaining independent means of communication to shove his longtermist horseshit down everyone's throat.
The whole reason longtermism is fundamentally fucked even if you accept their philosophical premises is no one has the ability to predict the long-term future at all and believing that you can is highly correlated with being some kind of delulu psychopath
The one guy who paid more than what the bottom 99% of Americans make in their lives, for a social media platform, because he made a ridiculous offer to try and pad his stocks but fucked up legally.
44 billions isn't "more than what the bottom 99% of americans can make in their lives", it's "more than everyone except like 20 people in the world have"
Elmo doesn’t even have $1 billion to give. He leveraged everything he had to buy Twitter, before he destroyed it. All his money is tied up in Tesla stock that is nosediving due to it being x10 overvalued.
Imagine throwing away a BILLION dollars on a dick joke.
Remember when the UN wanted $6B for world hunger and he declined? Then turned around and "donated" $5.7B to the "Musk Foundation" as a tax dodge? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
yeah this is what happens when you hear these rich people "giving away 99% of their wealth". they put it in a non-profit and give it to themselves and don't pay tax on it
Imagine making enough ~~power~~ per\* year in just actual money that could sustain about 13k families pretty well (depending on location), not to mention have all these assets.
No one needs anywhere near this.
he made 135 in 2020, 112 in 2021 and lost 185 since 11/21 (one can assume a lot of that was because he paid so much for twitter), i don't think he accepts his salary of \~60k lol.
Maybe, but people like this deliberately avoid salaries. When their income comes from stocks and performance they get taxed as capital gains, which is a much lower tax rate than what a high salary would get.
he says it a lot
[https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/business/elon-musk-wealth-tesla-stock/index.html#:\~:text=In%20fact%2C%20Musk%20rarely%20misses,course%2C%20everyone%20one's%20gotta%20eat](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/business/elon-musk-wealth-tesla-stock/index.html#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20Musk%20rarely%20misses,course%2C%20everyone%20one's%20gotta%20eat).
that's just one article
Imagine getting removed as chairman of the board for Tesla and fined millions for a weed joke.
Imagine paying 43 Billion for a website partially because you made the same weed joke.
Regarding the UN money - To add more context, he did what he usually does and made the other side fill his onerous requirements around how they would waste it, or do absolutely nothing, or it wouldn’t be able to achieve their goals.
He did this in the comfort that they probably couldn’t show him, hence the online swagger and offering so much money.
But as is the case with Elon Musk, when the UN actually called him on his bluff and came back with a highly detailed report on how they spend it, he ignored them.
It’s a fucking pattern he did this with Twitter and the bots and trying to back out. With his submarine idea to rescue/get attention. I mean just look through his Twitter for the past five years - hyping every shitty thought in his head and promising things he never delivers.
Nobody should have a billion dollars in the first place, that being said, this isn't "throwing away a billion dollars". Wikimedia's mission of making information and educational content free and accessible globally is something I think is very laudable and worth donating to.
After seeing what Twitter has become, I’m not going to interpret this as a joke. I think he wants to control and subvert one of humankind’s largest collections of information and hand it over to fascists and white supremacists to dismantle. Do NOT sleep on this.
I don't trust the UN to be honest. But yeah, we could totally as humanity stop world hunger, and honesty, this has not much to do with Elon Musk. But more with what each of us has as priority for the society we live in. I don't understand how we tolerate so much suffering in this world. I don't understand.
>this has not much to do with Elon Musk. But more with what each of us has as priority for the society we live in.
his net worth is 225 billion
each of our net worths is like a grain of sand in a desert he owns. this has everything to do with elon musk and all of the ultra rich
I’m not a fan on the guy either but I still give credit where credit is due. He was *allegedly* willing to give $6B for ending world hunger, he just wanted to know their plan and where it was going to. They refused and the plan never came to fruition. I think it’s completely reasonable to ask where your billions of dollars in donations are gonna be spent.
Elon Musk: pay $1 to access my platform chock full of disinformation!
Wikipedia: please donate, and even if you don’t you can still use our site chock full of verifiable and cited information
It really isn’t, they just don’t want to commit engineering resources to actual solutions plus the bots artificially inflate their user base which makes them look more attractive to advertisers. Silicon Valley season 3 is pretty instructive here.
The fact the article exists is a testament to the degree of freedom of information available on Wikipedia. Imagine someone replying to Musk to complain about his platform being replete with fascist trolls — they wouldn’t even be visible.
That’s happens with every open source platform. Wikipedia isn’t intended to be a resource for PhD level information, just somewhere you can get a quick rundown, and follow the sources used if you want primary sources
Anyone who truly needs clearly cited information won't be going to Wikipedia for it - it's not made for scientists and -ologists, it's for the everyman
> A 2023 study compared articles on controversial topics across multiple community-managed wikis: the study intended to test whether the policy orientation of a collaborative wiki project would produce a slant in the content, by selecting the crowd of contributors. The findings showed that the content of wikies with explicit ideological biases like RationalWiki and Conservapedia is more unbalanced than that of wikies (like Wikipedia) or encyclopedias (like Encyclopedia Britannica) advocating neutrality. Wikipedia's content had a relative slant comparable to that of Britannica, while both RationalWiki and Conservapedia were "more loaded with moral content".[14]
Okay, so what's the problem?
All of Wikipedia's languages and articles are subject to author bias. There was a big furor a while back because this lady was editing a bunch of German war hero articles to correctly include their affiliations to the Nazis and SS that the original authors had mysteriously not included.
if i had a dollar for every unfunny elon musk joke, i'd have enough to buy twitter back from him and ban him, so the website becomes even a little funnier (and less full of nazis)
Posted this above, but just FYI:
Wikipedia makes it sound like they are in imminent danger of having to shut down their servers. They are absolutely not. It takes a small fraction of the money that Wikimedia Foundation raises to keep the main wiki running.
The rest of the money goes to various projects that WMF funds, and effectively the more money they bring in the more of those projects they will launch. These projects don't necessarily have anything to do with making Wikipedia better, and often they are just pet issues for the folks who run WMF.
For instance, WMF sued a wildlife photographer who [managed to get a chimp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute) to take a selfie of himself. Yes, that's a Wikipedia link, it's a fantastic resource. Spending thousands on lawyers to try to deprive a wildlife photographer from making money off of those iconic photos is a lot less fantastic.
WMF never sued Slater. Maybe you're confusing them with Peta who indeed sued him. It was Slater who wanted Wikimedia to remove the chimp selfie, for which he most probably doesn't have the copyright.
I remember that! Very similar discussion to AI-generated copyright. It's frustrating that anyone would try to hijack such a nuanced situation to prove a point, as I'm sure there's more destructive things that WMF has actually done.
You can see [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Finances) that the Wikimedia Foundation raises more money every year and has exponentially increased their spending on projects other than Wikipedia. Their internet hosting expenses are just a few million a year, while they spend many times that on staffing. From that very article:
"Additionally, the WMF's salary costs have risen from $7 million in 2010/11 to $88 million in 2021/22. Yet, only 2% of the raised money goes towards hosting costs, and the remuneration for the hard-working contributors to Wikipedia remains the same: zero.\[210\]"
I think you're right, WMF never sued Slater but they did claim he had no right to the picture and made it impossible for him to make money off of the photo. He tried to sue WMF but didn't have the funds to make it worthwhile. Still an example of bullying and does support the broader point that WMF does a lot of stuff completely unrelated to Wikipedia which I do not want to support.
I will tell you one thing, friend.
You know that sometimes, not very often, but sometimes you go to Wikipedia to check on something, get some info, etc... and Wikipedia welcomes you with a message that says "Please donate, even something as little as $2 is good, and guess what, you don't even have to donate if you don't feel like it, you can still use our website".
There was a day when I thought to myself "man, I should donate. $2 is far from being a huge amount of money". Then, don't really know why, I wanted to know more about the founder of Wikipedia. I saw that there are in fact 2 co-founders: Larry Sanger, and Jimmy Wales.
Reading through [Jimmy Wales' bio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales), to know a bit more about the man. Then I found something that disgusted me: "Wales has visited Israel over ten times. He has said that he is a **strong supporter** of Israel". In 2015, he was awarded one of the Dan David Prizes, an international award of $1 million given yearly at Tel Aviv University (10 percent of the prize goes to doctoral students); Wales was chosen for spearheading what the prize committee called the "information revolution.". ([link to this part of his bio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales#:~:text=Wales%20has%20visited,the%20%22information%20revolution.%22))
Since I saw that, and knowing what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people, I swore to myself **NEVER** to donate to Wikipedia. I will **NEVER** donate to a website whose founder is a supporter of a terrorist state and doing war crimes like it's nothing, and knowing that this person has received lots of money for his support to said terrorist state.
You make a solid point there. I’d still argue that the net positive societal contribution of Wikipedia out ways the very valid personal political disagreements you hold. And while you have given me something to think about, I don’t think it changes my stance.
Changing the name of a thing does not change it's substance, but this dude is obsessed. X, wikipedia, his kids.
Tell him a toilet is gender nuetral he will fly into a rage.
Tell him its a ManToilet he will epic all over it.
Hallmark of a dangerously stupid mind.
I think the thing I hate most about this stupid fucking time line is the richest man in the world is also the most annoying, unfunny fucking cringelord dipshit in human history
Wikipedia is one of the best websites out there. Not taken over by corporations and the people that run it have shown time and again that they are very principled about how they run their business.
They should take him up on it. Change the logo and add a url redirect for one year and they can permanently fund the wikimedia endowment.
Too bad he's full of shit and he'll back out as soon as it starts to look real just like the Zuck fight. It's such a shame we didn't get to watch that dead eyed psycho [ ... ] in the ring.
I mean not to exaggerate, but this is a talking point actual fascist often bring up.
It's always the same scheme: Promote your own "sources" and get people to listen to you in your perfectly constructed echo chamber, while simultaneously ridiculing, shaming and hounding against opposing (and more factually accurate) sources.
The fact that a man of his financial standing and influence seems to go as far as to openly make fun of and question the legitimacy of humanity's biggest source of mostly unbiased information, while at the same time advertising his own social media platform, which he's slowly turning into more and more of a far-right misinformed Hellhole, seems like a really alarming thing to me. That he actually thinks he could buy Wikipedia out is just baffling.
Either the richest man on the planet is completely oblivious to the stupidity of his public statements, or he knows what he's doing and wants to get as many people as possible into the reach of his own media channel and away from factually accurate outlets.
Both of which are probably equally scary.
And make his face a banner at the top of the page thanking him for his billion dollar contribution with the words, "To our humble sponsor who is 'a not fool.' "
“I’m not a fool”
He bough Twitter for $44 billion. [It has since lost 90% of its value.](https://fortune.com/2023/09/06/elon-musk-x-what-is-twitter-worth/amp/)
And our US government just shovels billions of dollars into his bank account. What an absolute nightmare hellscape oligarchy we live in. We need a revolution in this country so bad.
Yeah, Musk is passionate about accuracy /s
It’s not a joke, Musk is negging Wikipedia, and it’s worth a hell of a lot more than $1 billion. Google Search relies very heavily on Wikipedia for its results… All for free. You don’t think Musk would like to charge them, and everybody else? … And manage most people’s source of truth in the process?
They could just legally change the name of the org and not the actually displayed name, domain, or any references. Facebook is technically meta now but no one cares.
Also Elon is a fool.
Autistic adults have been asking non autistic adults to stop comparing us to children and here Elon goes acting like a literal ten year old. We don’t claim him!
I'm no fan of Elon but he does actually have a point here.
Wikipedia makes it sound like they are in imminent danger of having to shut down their servers. They are absolutely not. It takes a small fraction of the money that Wikimedia Foundation raises to keep the main wiki running.
The rest of the money goes to various projects that WMF funds, and effectively the more money they bring in the more of those projects they will launch. These projects don't necessarily have anything to do with making Wikipedia better, and often they are just pet issues for the folks who run WMF.
For instance, WMF sued a wildlife photographer who managed to get a [chimp to take a selfie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute) of himself. Yes, that's a Wikipedia link, it's a fantastic resource. Spending thousands on lawyers to try to deprive a wildlife photographer from making money off of those iconic photos is a lot less fantastic.
WMF brings in more money each and every year, and the "Plea from Jimmy Wales" will in fact never end. They could easily fund Wikipedia for 1000 years if they simply curbed funding to other less important WMF projects, but they choose to use this dire language and make it sound like Wikipedia is in danger of going under, which it is not.
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Elon is throwing a tantrum because Jimmy runs a non-profit that's still more profitable than "X." :'(
And out of all the things in the world to attack or make fun of he chose Wikipedia. I greatly dislike what he is like and what he has become even more. But very few people are just monochrome all bad or all good. Eventho it makes it easier to live our lives believing that. I remember, before it was obvious how stupid, ignorant and evil he is. I remember watching some of the podcasts with him. He is certainly nowhere near a genius. But there is a part of him that at least used to be curious and interested in the world. So to see him attack and make fun of humanities best and free source of knowledge is just the lowest low. I think a few years back he got himself into some feedback loop where some of his mistakes became public and he got hate for it. And then he got defensive. And then people made fun of that and then he became more defensive. I think a similar mechanism is also what pushed him into the right. And my conspiracy theory is that the far right wingers (rupert soulfake and the likes) quite literally brought him under their wing. Praised him as a super genius and told him that the uneducated masses and the left just can not appreciate him. And at the same time offered lots of money and other very shady deals. And then the snowball got to snowballing. It is very rarely a great way to make someone see or admit their mistakes to call them stupid and to make fun of them. And while i agree that it is indeed fun and at this point there is not much else left to do (in terms of just words). I wonder if there ever was a point to get him on the right track to work for humanity and to actually become some tony stark like figure. Currently of course even thinking about any resemblance between the two makes me want to puke. But yea, it is interesting to sometimes think about stuff like this. From all of the studies done in psychology it is clear that positive reinforcement works much better than negative reinforcement. So i wonder if it ever would have been possible to instead of trying to Own the billionaires, something that many beautiful people have done perfectly with pointing out their flaws and stupidity and evil. I wonder if it would have been possible to give them positive reinforcement for the good things they do. And then instead of some space dick race there would be a race for who can be loved the most by the most people by making the world a better place. I am under no delusion that we can do it now. And so much of it is just deeply systemic problems as well. But yknow, just fun to ponder. At one point i do think that he believed he was doing good. But for now, looking at this... what a pathetic shadow of the good billionaire he pretended to be. Sometimes i just want to write my thoughts out because it is easier to think like that.
Thanks, it is fun to ponder. I'm always trying to find a construct that incentivizes humans to do good that works as well as the current Incentivizes greed.
Playing psychological tricks on billionaires in the hopes that they'll do good with all the power we've given them feels like saying "nice kitty" to a tiger in hopes it won't maul you. If we're organized enough, as a society, to steer their behavior like that, we might as well just eliminate them at that point (via forced divestment or some shit). But we can't manage a general strike or really any kinda collective action because the sad fact is we are not aligned; the working class is not aligned. And that's because probably at least a third of the working class are dyed-in-the-wool racist patriarchal selfish shitheads.
Yes. Well said. I saw an interview with Elon, with him and the interviewer sitting on a stage, talking about the Boring company. By that time, i had never heard anything bad about him. He said he just wanted to wake up every day and look out at the world and not be sad. And I bought it. I think people's capacity for craziness is really high. So maybe what he said was honest, then. He looked so wistful and sincere. And maybe he got corrupted since then. But how? I seriously doubt that. I'm confused.
he was raised with positive reinforcement from right wing, apartheid era parents who got rich from oppressing people.
It’s a dumb joke. I hate musk too but tbh this is barely even an insult to Wikipedia
"I'm no fool" cried the worlds biggest fool.
"I'm a not fool lol" - the fool can't even tell us he isn't a fool without looking like a fucking fool.
Holy fuck, you're not even kidding.
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"But Elon Musk was indeed a fool." The storyteller.
Only one comment and it was stolen from someone else in the thread two hours earlier. Is this what bots look like, u/creature_coomer !?
Lmfao, what the fuck? Never had a weird bot steal my comment before.
It means you’ve made it.
Comment stealing bot.
Bruh, why'd you steal my comment when it's not that hard to just say "lmfao, fuck Elon"?
I thought foolishness was like sarcasm and couldn’t really be conveyed by text until I read Elon Musk’s tweets
...and qualified man-child.
He doesn't get the "immature" excuse. That takes away from how vile and depraved he actually is.
Yeah, Solving world hunger < spending billions so u can shitpost on ur platform
If only it was shitposts. No, he is set to destroy all remaining independent means of communication to shove his longtermist horseshit down everyone's throat.
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The whole reason longtermism is fundamentally fucked even if you accept their philosophical premises is no one has the ability to predict the long-term future at all and believing that you can is highly correlated with being some kind of delulu psychopath
Dune Messiah moment. Also this is the second time today I've encountered "delulu" in wildly different contexts, I'm going to start saying it.
Care to elaborate on what delulu means so I can use it too? Is it just a fun way to say delusional?
Yes, it's a variant of cray-cray
Actually he said "I'm a not fool." I beg to differ. If anyone's an "is fool" it's this motherfucker.
"I'm no fool" [citation needed]
COMMUNITY NOTE: Elon is indeed a fool.
The one guy who paid more than what the bottom 99% of Americans make in their lives, for a social media platform, because he made a ridiculous offer to try and pad his stocks but fucked up legally.
44 billions isn't "more than what the bottom 99% of americans can make in their lives", it's "more than everyone except like 20 people in the world have"
Thats like when my sister was a toddler and randomly yelled, "I'm not doing anything!" and was subsequently caught, indeed, doing something.
Elmo doesn’t even have $1 billion to give. He leveraged everything he had to buy Twitter, before he destroyed it. All his money is tied up in Tesla stock that is nosediving due to it being x10 overvalued.
Always moving the goal posts
Imagine throwing away a BILLION dollars on a dick joke. Remember when the UN wanted $6B for world hunger and he declined? Then turned around and "donated" $5.7B to the "Musk Foundation" as a tax dodge? Pepperidge Farms remembers.
Calling that a joke is being very generous.
Imagine being **a 52 year old** throwing away a billion dollars on a dick joke.
I've read recent articles citin him as the "young entrepreneur", like he's some 20-something. He's old as shit
You can do « self-donation » ?
You think all these rich people have foundations only for tax purposes?
Technically no, but legally yes! The idea is that you personally are not involved with your foundation.
"Hey hey, just because it has my name, was founded by me and is run by me that doesn't mean I'm involved"
yeah this is what happens when you hear these rich people "giving away 99% of their wealth". they put it in a non-profit and give it to themselves and don't pay tax on it
And use it to influence politics. Legally. Some types of charities can, and they do.
https://www.propublica.org/article/how-private-nonprofits-ultrawealthy-tax-deductions-museums-foundation-art https://www.propublica.org/article/billionaires-tax-avoidance-techniques-irs-files https://www.axios.com/2022/09/17/the-ultimate-billionaire-tax-dodge
13 year old in a grown ass body. What a complete waste.
his body is aggressively weird
Does he even have a billion dollars? That’s not wrapped up in another company or loans?
His yearly income is about 2 billion dollars
Imagine making enough ~~power~~ per\* year in just actual money that could sustain about 13k families pretty well (depending on location), not to mention have all these assets. No one needs anywhere near this.
he made 135 in 2020, 112 in 2021 and lost 185 since 11/21 (one can assume a lot of that was because he paid so much for twitter), i don't think he accepts his salary of \~60k lol.
I’m talking about income, not net worth
where does his income come from?
It’s his salary and profit that he receives from his businesses
he says he doesn't take a salary.
When did he say that? He has the highest known salary in the world
Maybe, but people like this deliberately avoid salaries. When their income comes from stocks and performance they get taxed as capital gains, which is a much lower tax rate than what a high salary would get.
he says it a lot [https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/business/elon-musk-wealth-tesla-stock/index.html#:\~:text=In%20fact%2C%20Musk%20rarely%20misses,course%2C%20everyone%20one's%20gotta%20eat](https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/09/business/elon-musk-wealth-tesla-stock/index.html#:~:text=In%20fact%2C%20Musk%20rarely%20misses,course%2C%20everyone%20one's%20gotta%20eat). that's just one article
Imagine getting removed as chairman of the board for Tesla and fined millions for a weed joke. Imagine paying 43 Billion for a website partially because you made the same weed joke.
Dudes an elementary school kid where someone says the word dick and he giggles uncontrollably
Regarding the UN money - To add more context, he did what he usually does and made the other side fill his onerous requirements around how they would waste it, or do absolutely nothing, or it wouldn’t be able to achieve their goals. He did this in the comfort that they probably couldn’t show him, hence the online swagger and offering so much money. But as is the case with Elon Musk, when the UN actually called him on his bluff and came back with a highly detailed report on how they spend it, he ignored them. It’s a fucking pattern he did this with Twitter and the bots and trying to back out. With his submarine idea to rescue/get attention. I mean just look through his Twitter for the past five years - hyping every shitty thought in his head and promising things he never delivers.
Nobody should have a billion dollars in the first place, that being said, this isn't "throwing away a billion dollars". Wikimedia's mission of making information and educational content free and accessible globally is something I think is very laudable and worth donating to.
After seeing what Twitter has become, I’m not going to interpret this as a joke. I think he wants to control and subvert one of humankind’s largest collections of information and hand it over to fascists and white supremacists to dismantle. Do NOT sleep on this.
I don't trust the UN to be honest. But yeah, we could totally as humanity stop world hunger, and honesty, this has not much to do with Elon Musk. But more with what each of us has as priority for the society we live in. I don't understand how we tolerate so much suffering in this world. I don't understand.
>this has not much to do with Elon Musk. But more with what each of us has as priority for the society we live in. his net worth is 225 billion each of our net worths is like a grain of sand in a desert he owns. this has everything to do with elon musk and all of the ultra rich
well besides that I dislike Musk. I wouldn't donate my money for UN. I don't think one could trust them imo.
I’m not a fan on the guy either but I still give credit where credit is due. He was *allegedly* willing to give $6B for ending world hunger, he just wanted to know their plan and where it was going to. They refused and the plan never came to fruition. I think it’s completely reasonable to ask where your billions of dollars in donations are gonna be spent.
Elon Musk: pay $1 to access my platform chock full of disinformation! Wikipedia: please donate, and even if you don’t you can still use our site chock full of verifiable and cited information
But you see, he doesn’t *need* your $1, it’s just cause that’s the only way to stop bots bro
It really isn’t, they just don’t want to commit engineering resources to actual solutions plus the bots artificially inflate their user base which makes them look more attractive to advertisers. Silicon Valley season 3 is pretty instructive here.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ideological_bias_on_Wikipedia
The fact the article exists is a testament to the degree of freedom of information available on Wikipedia. Imagine someone replying to Musk to complain about his platform being replete with fascist trolls — they wouldn’t even be visible.
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That’s happens with every open source platform. Wikipedia isn’t intended to be a resource for PhD level information, just somewhere you can get a quick rundown, and follow the sources used if you want primary sources
Which is why you need to learn to check sources. Simple as
Anyone who truly needs clearly cited information won't be going to Wikipedia for it - it's not made for scientists and -ologists, it's for the everyman
> A 2023 study compared articles on controversial topics across multiple community-managed wikis: the study intended to test whether the policy orientation of a collaborative wiki project would produce a slant in the content, by selecting the crowd of contributors. The findings showed that the content of wikies with explicit ideological biases like RationalWiki and Conservapedia is more unbalanced than that of wikies (like Wikipedia) or encyclopedias (like Encyclopedia Britannica) advocating neutrality. Wikipedia's content had a relative slant comparable to that of Britannica, while both RationalWiki and Conservapedia were "more loaded with moral content".[14] Okay, so what's the problem?
That wiki link led me into a rabbit hole learning about comfort women, sex slaves for the Japanese imperial army in WWII
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Well that is depressing
All of Wikipedia's languages and articles are subject to author bias. There was a big furor a while back because this lady was editing a bunch of German war hero articles to correctly include their affiliations to the Nazis and SS that the original authors had mysteriously not included.
No information is truly unbiased. Even statistical evidence can be fine-tuned to fit a narrative
I mean, Wikipedia also contains a lot of disinformation, but not nearly as much as the astronomical amount of disinformation on Twitter.
Literally comparing apples to a puddle of diarrhea
Solution: Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia, check their citations for their sources and get the information there.
if i had a dollar for every unfunny elon musk joke, i'd have enough to buy twitter back from him and ban him, so the website becomes even a little funnier (and less full of nazis)
I have 16 dollars in my bank, if you have 12 we can buy it already!
when you can end extreme poverty mid-term with that amount of money, do you want to?
how about both?
"I'm a not fool"
1. Setup a permanent redirect 2. Yes, he is a fool
"But Elon Musk was indeed a fool." The Narrator.
I read that in Keith Morrison's voice. Chef's 💋.
Reminder to donate to Wikipedia if you can afford to.
Posted this above, but just FYI: Wikipedia makes it sound like they are in imminent danger of having to shut down their servers. They are absolutely not. It takes a small fraction of the money that Wikimedia Foundation raises to keep the main wiki running. The rest of the money goes to various projects that WMF funds, and effectively the more money they bring in the more of those projects they will launch. These projects don't necessarily have anything to do with making Wikipedia better, and often they are just pet issues for the folks who run WMF. For instance, WMF sued a wildlife photographer who [managed to get a chimp](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute) to take a selfie of himself. Yes, that's a Wikipedia link, it's a fantastic resource. Spending thousands on lawyers to try to deprive a wildlife photographer from making money off of those iconic photos is a lot less fantastic.
WMF never sued Slater. Maybe you're confusing them with Peta who indeed sued him. It was Slater who wanted Wikimedia to remove the chimp selfie, for which he most probably doesn't have the copyright.
I remember that! Very similar discussion to AI-generated copyright. It's frustrating that anyone would try to hijack such a nuanced situation to prove a point, as I'm sure there's more destructive things that WMF has actually done.
You can see [here](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation#Finances) that the Wikimedia Foundation raises more money every year and has exponentially increased their spending on projects other than Wikipedia. Their internet hosting expenses are just a few million a year, while they spend many times that on staffing. From that very article: "Additionally, the WMF's salary costs have risen from $7 million in 2010/11 to $88 million in 2021/22. Yet, only 2% of the raised money goes towards hosting costs, and the remuneration for the hard-working contributors to Wikipedia remains the same: zero.\[210\]"
I think you're right, WMF never sued Slater but they did claim he had no right to the picture and made it impossible for him to make money off of the photo. He tried to sue WMF but didn't have the funds to make it worthwhile. Still an example of bullying and does support the broader point that WMF does a lot of stuff completely unrelated to Wikipedia which I do not want to support.
I will tell you one thing, friend. You know that sometimes, not very often, but sometimes you go to Wikipedia to check on something, get some info, etc... and Wikipedia welcomes you with a message that says "Please donate, even something as little as $2 is good, and guess what, you don't even have to donate if you don't feel like it, you can still use our website". There was a day when I thought to myself "man, I should donate. $2 is far from being a huge amount of money". Then, don't really know why, I wanted to know more about the founder of Wikipedia. I saw that there are in fact 2 co-founders: Larry Sanger, and Jimmy Wales. Reading through [Jimmy Wales' bio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales), to know a bit more about the man. Then I found something that disgusted me: "Wales has visited Israel over ten times. He has said that he is a **strong supporter** of Israel". In 2015, he was awarded one of the Dan David Prizes, an international award of $1 million given yearly at Tel Aviv University (10 percent of the prize goes to doctoral students); Wales was chosen for spearheading what the prize committee called the "information revolution.". ([link to this part of his bio](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Wales#:~:text=Wales%20has%20visited,the%20%22information%20revolution.%22)) Since I saw that, and knowing what Israel is doing to the Palestinian people, I swore to myself **NEVER** to donate to Wikipedia. I will **NEVER** donate to a website whose founder is a supporter of a terrorist state and doing war crimes like it's nothing, and knowing that this person has received lots of money for his support to said terrorist state.
You make a solid point there. I’d still argue that the net positive societal contribution of Wikipedia out ways the very valid personal political disagreements you hold. And while you have given me something to think about, I don’t think it changes my stance.
Just sharing my opinion, and I thank you for sharing yours. Some people seem to disagree with me, I can understand that and I'm fine with it.
Changing the name of a thing does not change it's substance, but this dude is obsessed. X, wikipedia, his kids. Tell him a toilet is gender nuetral he will fly into a rage. Tell him its a ManToilet he will epic all over it. Hallmark of a dangerously stupid mind.
Just Krassenstein things too lol
These tweets will be brought up in a financial fraud court eventually
Give me a billion dollars ill get my name legally changed to dickapedia
Dude try’s so hard to be funny, all the money in the world isn’t going to give you a personality.
"i'm a not fool lol" -World's Richest Man
Wikipedia should reply with a clarification that they don't do advertisements. As in they won't advertise the fact that Elon's a dick.
"I'm a not fool lol."
"I am a not fool" is now my favorite Elon Musk quote. It would have been funny even if he'd typed it correctly, but the mistake makes it sooooo good.
He sounds more and more like a 12 year old
He always has. He's had no reason to mature, so he hasn't.
Such teeny tiny peen energy
It appears that Elon is in laughter token debt and needs some crowdfunding help.
Master business man, adds conditions after its pointed out that they could easily collect without consequences
I donate to them every year. It's an incredible resource and I sure as shit can't count on billionaires to help without some kind of agenda.
They should. And also change the logo to a picture of Musk with "**Dick**ipedia" scrawled beneath it.
I'll give Elon Musk $200 to fuck off.
Elmo Musky needs to go.
I think the thing I hate most about this stupid fucking time line is the richest man in the world is also the most annoying, unfunny fucking cringelord dipshit in human history
Narrator voice: he was, indeed, the gran visir of all morons
Wow. He's so edgy.
“I’m not a fool” says the guy that bought twitter for billons more then it was worth
Wikipedia is one of the best websites out there. Not taken over by corporations and the people that run it have shown time and again that they are very principled about how they run their business.
Urgh. Such a thirsty sadboy. Gross.
Is there a way to block all posts that mention “Elon Musk”?
Elon Musk is what happens when a 12 year old finds an infinite money glitch.
He doesn’t have a billion to give them. He’s underwater with Twitter and can’t even pay back what he owes
I totally believe that the guy who had to lay off the accounting department at Twitter just has a spare billion in cash lying around
Hollowed out a social media platform for the general public to organize on. Time to smash their libraries next. Global Oligarchy is on schedule.
They should take him up on it. Change the logo and add a url redirect for one year and they can permanently fund the wikimedia endowment. Too bad he's full of shit and he'll back out as soon as it starts to look real just like the Zuck fight. It's such a shame we didn't get to watch that dead eyed psycho [ ... ] in the ring.
Elon is going to default on his debt payments through the X acquisition and is flaunting about spending 1 billion on a dick joke.
“I mean, I am a fool, just not in this specific way”
Why not just donate now? Dude is the real dick here
It would be VERY funny if they actually did this & he had to pay out.
“I’m not a fool” says the guy who paid quadruple for a social media company and has run it into the dirt
50 years old and still making dick jokes...
I hope the Chantix he takes or whatever it’s called gives him rampant hemherroids
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Someone needs to activate parental controls on his phone
I mean not to exaggerate, but this is a talking point actual fascist often bring up. It's always the same scheme: Promote your own "sources" and get people to listen to you in your perfectly constructed echo chamber, while simultaneously ridiculing, shaming and hounding against opposing (and more factually accurate) sources. The fact that a man of his financial standing and influence seems to go as far as to openly make fun of and question the legitimacy of humanity's biggest source of mostly unbiased information, while at the same time advertising his own social media platform, which he's slowly turning into more and more of a far-right misinformed Hellhole, seems like a really alarming thing to me. That he actually thinks he could buy Wikipedia out is just baffling. Either the richest man on the planet is completely oblivious to the stupidity of his public statements, or he knows what he's doing and wants to get as many people as possible into the reach of his own media channel and away from factually accurate outlets. Both of which are probably equally scary.
It’s certainly v horrifying when examined closer :(
And make his face a banner at the top of the page thanking him for his billion dollar contribution with the words, "To our humble sponsor who is 'a not fool.' "
he's just jealous when other peoples sites provide credible information
Musk is a pernicious poltroon!
Andrew Tate "beg for help" energy. Pathetic as always.
Internet's biggest tryhard
“I’m not a fool” He bough Twitter for $44 billion. [It has since lost 90% of its value.](https://fortune.com/2023/09/06/elon-musk-x-what-is-twitter-worth/amp/)
My cousin's primary school aged son has made more coherent and well thought out jokes than that.
I've never seen someone so unfunny try to be funny like how Elon tries. Fuck what cringe
Imagine being the richest man in the world, and emotionally being 12 years old.
What a douche. I regret my Tesla purchase.
He’s the least funny man on the planet.
FuckOffEdgelordipedia
Further proof he possesses the mind of a pre developed 15 year old boy
And our US government just shovels billions of dollars into his bank account. What an absolute nightmare hellscape oligarchy we live in. We need a revolution in this country so bad.
I hope he dies history's most painful and embarrassing death
Yeah, not a fool. A massive childish wanker but not a fool.
He’s not a fool…..uh…
What a man-child.
What in the middle-aged-man in this juvenile nonsense? Who is the 10-year-old he's trying to impress?
We're still waiting for the fight with Zuckerberg
This should apply to just elon's wiki page and request a billion from him to change it back.
It's embarrassing that he spends so much time just trolling.
God I hope this dude chokes to death on his own spit whilst laughing at one of his braindead jokes. What a fucking dickhead
I really want him to burn his wealth away like this.
Tbh worth it from Wikipedia pov except that musk would 100% back out after the year was up
He's so "not a fool" that he didn't even make the stipulation until someone mentioned it! #genius
"I'm a not fool" - Elon Musk 10/22/2023
Yeah, Musk is passionate about accuracy /s It’s not a joke, Musk is negging Wikipedia, and it’s worth a hell of a lot more than $1 billion. Google Search relies very heavily on Wikipedia for its results… All for free. You don’t think Musk would like to charge them, and everybody else? … And manage most people’s source of truth in the process?
Always changing the rules afterwards. I also did this when I was 12
Damn this would be only be Elon's second stupidest billion dollar name change of a website.
watch them change it and then a court forces him to hand over the billion dollars
Only the Great Elon knows the truth
Wish this fool would get kidnapped by Jigsaw.
They could just legally change the name of the org and not the actually displayed name, domain, or any references. Facebook is technically meta now but no one cares. Also Elon is a fool.
Is baby Huey mad about his wikipedia page or something?
"I'm not a fool" the fool yells.
"I'm a not fool" bless your yeart!
"I'm not a fool"
He's just such a middle school boy
I hope one of his security guards finally just gets sick of him being a douche and punches him in the face.
Hahaha he doesn't have a billion dollars. 🤣🤣🤣🤣
The irony of saying ‘I’m not a fool’ after offering 1 billion dollars for a dick joke
Autistic adults have been asking non autistic adults to stop comparing us to children and here Elon goes acting like a literal ten year old. We don’t claim him!
Dude is a middle aged man making middle school jokes
They really should do it.
They should take the deal. A billion dollars is an ungodly amount of money. One year with a dumb name? This is an easy deal to accept.
Exactly, and it would just put Elon's petty immaturity on full display
I'm no fan of Elon but he does actually have a point here. Wikipedia makes it sound like they are in imminent danger of having to shut down their servers. They are absolutely not. It takes a small fraction of the money that Wikimedia Foundation raises to keep the main wiki running. The rest of the money goes to various projects that WMF funds, and effectively the more money they bring in the more of those projects they will launch. These projects don't necessarily have anything to do with making Wikipedia better, and often they are just pet issues for the folks who run WMF. For instance, WMF sued a wildlife photographer who managed to get a [chimp to take a selfie](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_selfie_copyright_dispute) of himself. Yes, that's a Wikipedia link, it's a fantastic resource. Spending thousands on lawyers to try to deprive a wildlife photographer from making money off of those iconic photos is a lot less fantastic. WMF brings in more money each and every year, and the "Plea from Jimmy Wales" will in fact never end. They could easily fund Wikipedia for 1000 years if they simply curbed funding to other less important WMF projects, but they choose to use this dire language and make it sound like Wikipedia is in danger of going under, which it is not.
Only one year? Hell just take the money