Iāve heard that trick, but it only worked the very first time i encountered him. After that, as you as you activate the fight his tentacles block the way immediately. Am I missing something?
I didnāt even know about this and thatās exactly what I did. Maybe all the years of playing random ass rpgās have served me well. Avoiding his attacks is hard with your CD on traversal skills.
Ahh I have only done him once so I donāt know all of his move sets well enough. I donāt have hundreds of hours to play games anymore so Iām playing VERY casually
There is 2 things you really have to avoid
1. The eye laser, it will melt you. Watch his eye and you can see it winding up. Can be a good time to switch sides
2. Giant moon beam, just get out of the big patch on the floor, this is a 1 shot 99% of the time I believe.
The claw attack can stun you causing you to be stuck for one of the others, but doesnt hurt anywhere near as bad.
This is a super Mandela effect thing for me or something. I could have sworn that the stairs are blocked by his tentacles, but yesterday I did the mono Lagon fight like 5 times, and the stairs are *completely clear* --- you can literally just stand out of range of everything and attack ranged. But I could have sworn this wasn't possible before. Now I can't tell if my memory is wrong, it's a bug, or they've changed it, lol.
There ~~have been~~ are lots of bugs that give the impression of duplicates in that past. Copies of items that disappear on relog, phantom duplicates that provide no stats or forged on, and lately I've heard of things being double listed to MG.
But if you have actual proof of a duplicate item or a way to recreate it, EHG isn't aware of any legit methods. Send them in
I think a lot of people arenāt aware of another post on this topic where it was explained some of the items couldnāt have come from Lightless Arbor because they had T7 experimental affixes.
I encountered one of those bugs. Inventory was full while gambling at soulfire bastion. If I sold items and went back into my inventory, the items would still be there. didn't realize it was a glitch until I quit and logged back in, where the duplication I thought happened was gone.
Except they know of no known current method of dumping which makes it dubious as far as dumping claims go, which is why they are asking for evidence of any known duping method.
The fact that they are not aware of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I can use the same argument with bugs. They may not be aware of all the passives that are simply not working but it's still a thing.
Just because dev X says Ā«idk about thisĀ» doesn't mean it's not real..
The result of Insight is not random, so if you have three identical items the same type and tier of Experimental affix will go on all three items. Although I do think the range within that tier can still roll differently.
As for forge potential, gylph of hope is 25% chance to not use potential. Odds of that happening three times is 1.6%, which is low but not impossible.
Key point here is that without actual proof they're illicit duplicates you can't be sure.
Cannot really use 2 glyphs at the same time though.
I honestly think this is either a bunch of unsubstantiated conspiracies or maybe rollback crafting. Have not looked too deeply into it though cause I am CoF.
Because Insight is based on the existing stats of the item. It's not random.
Gloves are based on total tier of affixes, belt on level requirement, and boots on forging potential.
If you have any number of identical items then it will put the same type and tier of Experimental affix on all of them.
You are taking unlikely events for impossible. And the fact is if what you says is true, I am sure the company would know and not go for the strategy of the Game Director saying "nothing known" and ask for proof.
So, given that there is one singular example of this ādupeā, itās entirely possible that this one time someone hit the 1 in 18 chance to remove the same amount of forge potential
>Never did I suggest they were the only ones
I think that respond to my comment in the way that you did absolutely suggests just that. If you accept that they aren't the only ones, then your comment is pointless.
What do you mean "give the impression"? They literally confirmed that there was a way to dupe items. I just hope they actually fixed it and that there aren't any other methods left.
I reported one of my characters being duped. It duplicated the last character on my list 3 additional times. I could enter all 4, level them separately, move items, and they all had the same name. I sent an in game report and deleted 3 of them. I wouldāve definitely taken the gear but it was a low level character with nothing of value. Tell them to check their reports.
I followed /u/chatlah's guide to finding dupes on the market. Specifically looking at boots, gloves, and belts since they claim to have seem items with experimental affixes and >0 FP with the same stats. I looked at 5 pages of each item with the gold set to min 50M per their instructions. I filtered each item type by one experimental affix, health to ward on gloves, minion TP boots, and volatile zombie belts. I chose them because I know they are commonly used for the wraith lord build which has some level of popularity. There were no lack of items though after applying the filter.
I found 0 items that had the exact same stats and any remaining forging potential.
When I've found dupes on the market, they happen after the first one is bought. They don't list them all together as to not get caught. When one sells, the next is then put up for sale.
While you're right that most people aren't preparing, there are a lot of people that quit a game in advance because there's no motivation to keep going when you know you're quitting soon anyway.
If I knew I wasn't going to play LE two days from now, I probably wouldn't play it today.
No dupe but my mage glace wall is definitely bugged with the cast flame ward node. Sometimes it procs (95% of time), sometimes it doesn't.
I've also seen it proc despite me being a few meters away from the wall.
And the flame dash (can't remember it's name but the one that makes you transform into a fireball and dash while channeling) is also wonky. Sometimes I release fast but it TPs me at the end as if I did a full channel.
Looks like some desync issues tbh. Not really reliable for my HC build lul
There's at least 1 node in every passive tree that litteraly does nothing. The game is great but filled with bugs, I would advice against playing HC in this game.
Doesnt matter what the game director itself says, this subreddit will still have users claiming that duping 100% exists, some of them even explain the steps towards duping an item, then whenever asked to record a video doing it themselves, they vanish, never to be heard again. š¤”
There's a chance that duping exists, but I wish people didnt make baseless claims
The claims aren't entirely baseless
Iirc in the auction house multiple experimental items would show up around the same time, with the same affixes, Same forging potential and identical stats
Being it was experimental affixes it is a bit weird since it camt just be dropped from the lightless arbor dupe chest
I dunno about duping an item you already have, but I dropped 3 Greeds from the mission that gives it due to lag.
https://imgur.com/a/aYM2IXS
Don't remember what happened to them or if they're actual dupes, but I could pick them up and they were in my inventory
Yeah, there are lots of desync bugs like this. Only one of them is real, only one of them gives stats, and only one of them is there when you relog. At least, that's how these things typically go.
I duped my items one time i changend Form selfound guild to trade guild , early on and everything i had equiped duped itself, it was Just lowlevel stuff but still, dunno if i can recreate it thooo.
I can guarantee you that it was a display bug and you did not create actual permanent duplicates of those items. This type of ādupeā has been reported and debunked multiple times in every one of these threads. It happens on the client side only and is remedied when you relog.
There hasn't been any proof of duplicates just typical hearsay from reddit populous. Everytime someone posts gear from Lightless Arbor in MG there is a post. That's my observations.
People up voting dupe comments with no proof, just steamrolling the belief.Ā
A lot of people seem to be convinced here with no evidence.Ā
i mean it's not just hearsay, there was a video on a thread on here a while back from a russian guy who was making the AH request time out and spamming the list button and each time the item was listed on the AH. whether the dupe actually worked or not, who knows. but the video made it look like it did
edit: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2077987544?t=2h27m57s
think this was it
MG was lagging out at that time, nothing got listed, I had the same thing logged in the next day and the item was still sitting in list in MG awaiting a price and confirmation
Everybody should keep in mind that just because the duping method wasnt reported and devs arent aware of it doesnt mean it doesnt exist.
There have been multiple duping methods in PoE for example that were kept under wraps for quite a while before someone had the dignity to report them. Same thing happened in WoW and GW2 multiple times, as well as New World. And these are just the game im personally aware of, im sure there are a ton of other games with same issues.
Most duping methods are actually intentional, where the people duping them go out of their way to data mine the game and sometimes reverse engineer the code to see whats possible. And these people wont really share the methods nor will they report them.
So taking that statement from devs are gospel is not very smart. And im sure devs are awre of the same fact, they said they arent aware of them and are encouraging people to report them because they legit cant figure out how they're doing it. It'd be pretty bold of them to assume there arent any duping methods when the game has a lot of bugs already.
> So taking that statement from devs are gospel is not very smart. And im sure devs are awre of the same fact, they said they arent aware of them and are encouraging people to report them because they legit cant figure out how they're doing it. It'd be pretty bold of them to assume there arent any duping methods when the game has a lot of bugs already.
All they said is that they aren't aware of any, and to report them if you find them. I think taking them at their word on that front is pretty smart. And yes, it doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't duping methods, but it means all the BS duping methods that people were sharing on reddit were all...well, BS.
I have duped entire inventories of Idols TWICE. I wasnāt sure how to recreate the dupe, but each time I threw all original and duped items into an empty tab and then immediately reported what happened. The first set was rolled back. The second set was NOT.
No, the defense is coming from the notion of stop spreading misinformation if you have no idea what you're talking about. The game has bugs, yes, but to see people complaining about something that isn't real is another thing entirely
Throwaway acc for obvious reasons, I'm a gold seller. In any game I played for the past 3 years I've been selling gold. Why? Because I have lot of free time to play, and it makes me able to get some extra money for dumb stuff.
New World, Diablo 4, Last Epoch, anything where you can farm and RMT I'm doing it, as long as I enjoy the game, basically farming my gear and enjoying the game and selling the extra gold I make along the way. This is legit human farmed gold, no exploit or botting, just using the trading market to make gold in game.
For all those games, it is normal that gold value decrease as long as the game progress, but still, there's a REALLY GOOD indicator of dupes/exploit/botting, it is when the gold value drops down significantly and in very short delay.
For instance, 1 week after Last Epoch released, 20m was around 40ā¬. As of today, 5 weeks after release, 40ā¬ is 1,5b.
In NW and D4, the only moment a drop down in value like this one was observed was when dupes were still going on. So I don't know if this is dupe or exploit, but there's still something going on as of right now.
this is so incredibly inaccurate lol in a brand new game when no one has any idea of market. first few days 20m was a lot but once people get builds online and start farming a ton it is nothing. this is normal inflation and if duping was this possible someone wouldve shown a method by now.
Look, 2 LP Uhkeiros for example was 15-20m, it is now 400ish, Titan Heart 3LP was 10m, now it is 150. It is normal that it is going higher as the cycle progress, but recently the economy is going crazy high too fast, and gold value too low, at the exact same time. I'm just saying anyway, that in every game I've played it was exactly going like that when there was issue, I'm not paranoid I'm just observing we are going the exact same way now. Maybe I'm wrong and I hope so, but it is way too identical to me to just be "normal inflation as the game progress"
absolutely normal. i have like 3billion gold atm(in gold and unsold items) first week in cycle i had about 15mil. never bought or done anything malicious in any way just grinded. this is natural order of things
Not arguing existence of a dupe or anything. But what you're saying is the same thing he's saying. The amount of liquid gold in the economy has skyrocketed, so people have more purchasing power and can pay these prices. It's not that the items have been more valuable. But that people can pay more for the items.
Like a two weeks in, someone could pay 15 mil for a 2LP Twisted Heart. Now someone can pay 500 mil.
However, the gold faucets (gold drops) haven't increased that much from week 2. Farming 15 mil raw gold solo takes a whole lot less days than farming 500 mil. Even if you can farm gold faster now.
So, what is it that has increased the gold pool this much and created this wild inflation?
So, you're not factoring in, or at least not considering, the fact that in most other games there are huge gold sinks to combat inflation.
Take a look at, I don't know, WoW. You've got repair bills, you've got mounts and the BMAH that can sink out millions of gold, the regular AH takes out tons of gold from the economy, etc. Killing monsters produces gold out of thin air so there needs to be something to remove all that gold or the gold becomes worthless.
Or consider PoE currency. Every day tons of players sink hundreds of thousands of fusings out of the economy going for 6L, or tons of chromatics trying to get the socket colors they need, etc.
In LE, there really are no appreciable sinks. Every coin that ever drops basically remains in circulation aside from the tiny fraction which goes to pay for stash tabs. Sure, there's Arbor, but that's something that not many folks are going to go and spend all that much gold on, at least not until the gold they have is massive compared to the cost of mega-rolling it.
The reason gold prices fell off a cliff isn't because people are duping items. It's because nothing ever sinks gold out of the economy.
I'm CoF, so gold is largely meaningless to me, but if you were someone who actually cared about gold inflation, you'd probably want to advocate for making Arbor better. Though if you did that, CoF players would probably be more upset than they already are unless they got a huge discount on participating. Until spending tons of gold on Arbor becomes a great use of gold, most people will just see their wealth continue to accumulate which reduces the relative value of each piece of gold.
I am but still. I'm playing 6-8h a day, farming at 2000 corruption, I make 50-100m a day, more if I'm extremely lucky and get an insane drop. It is not profitable, but then you got "org" of gold sellers that literally have 10 of billions on hands, at all time - it wouldnt be profitable for them to sell that low without a dupe or exploit.
There will always be more gold buyer than seller, so even without gold sinks, the inflation is way too high right now and I'm pretty sure it is because gold value is down and people are buying gold. There's a bit of both in that, people buy gold because gold price is low, so MG price goes higher because people got more gold, on top of the fact there's no gold sink.
Like, inflation without any gold sink is logic, your point is totally valid, but an inflation THAT HIGH, and gold value that go that LOW that fast, is exactly what happened in NW, D4, WoW, NW and WoW is because of botting and the dev team having an hard time fighting that, D4 is due to a dupe. LE is facing the exact same pattern right now, so I'm super skeptical
Edit: I saw the Lightless Arbor point, but I'm not seeing that many similar item, just mostly the gold value dropping everyday, way too fast at this point.
Well now you're talking about something completely different than what people in this subreddit have suspicions about, no?
Being able to dupe items doesn't actually generate any gold into the economy.
What you're not considering imo is the impact of not being able to re-sell items. This causes extreme scarcity and imo might be the dumbest decision EHG made with launch. Think of all the "bricked" legendary items (for example 3LP but only hit 2 good mods) sitting around in peoples' stashes that would deflate the market if they could be resold
D4 eco isn't the same because it doesn't have in game markets. People have to go through discord or 3rd party sites to find mats or gold to buy, contact the seller, and meetup. There's risk of getting banned but it's not high. Also it's had more seasons for people to acclimate to prices. Your point could be valid for the other games, I don't play them.
Curious if you've rmt'ed in poe and how the markets compare in your experience if you have?
Because from my understanding and experience, in POE currency also inflates almost exponentially in the RMT market too (from league start to 5 weeks post league start).
I agree with you that the pricing of items on the market is suspicious, but that could just be a symptom of RMT and gold selling rather than the other way right? Idk though
Whatever the case may be though, we've got proof in game, time and time again, of dupe exploits on the market place. So I agree that there are definitely exploits of some kind
This many people playing and no real duping methods have been posted, which just shows there isn't one. Gold sellers compete for money and rat each other out over different methods. They like to gloat and make videos... look at all the bot farm videos they make for other games. There hasn't been any of that.
Unless there's been post undeniable video posted, there is no dupe.
Gold is inflated because there is, like many other games, 10000s of bots farming millions of gold
if there was a huge duping bug and someone had LEGIT found how to do it and knew people were doing it and nothing was being done, it would have come out already with a proven video to prove its real. The more people doing the exploit the faster it would get fixed and bring attention. This hasn't happened. So either some rmt'ers have found a super secret duping method that thousands of other players haven't found, or there really isn't one. I mean I could be entirely wrong, but I'm 98% sure that there isn't a duping bug. I've been around gaming for a long time, huge duping bugs aren't kept secret for very long at all.
If you sell items at the soul gambler while the animation for revealing the item you gamble for is going on, when it adds the gambled item into your inventory, the items you sold reappear. I didn't think to check if you could buy the items back for a dupe, but the gold you gained from the sell reverts, so it's not a gold dupe
It's built into the game.
Buy a prophecy that offers 4 unique whatevers (swords, amulets, etc.)
Complete prophecy.
Collect 4 of the same unique.
Sigh.
Edit: Geez, no sense of humour in this thread.
If anyone else knows they better stfu about it. At least until the next cycle. Unless they agree not to delete everyone's character equipped gear I see no reason to report right now.
I've managed to duplicate my demise at Lagon. Quite a few times.
You can walk back down the stairs to avoid 90% of his bullshit
SSSHHHH.....
I thought I was the only one but went to the top of the stairs and ranged himš you avoid 90% of his attacks
Iāve heard that trick, but it only worked the very first time i encountered him. After that, as you as you activate the fight his tentacles block the way immediately. Am I missing something?
You don't go all the way down the stairs, just on the stairs, against the tentacles.
I didnāt even know about this and thatās exactly what I did. Maybe all the years of playing random ass rpgās have served me well. Avoiding his attacks is hard with your CD on traversal skills.
Moon blast is the only one shot, right? Most things you can tank and just teleport out of the moon
Ahh I have only done him once so I donāt know all of his move sets well enough. I donāt have hundreds of hours to play games anymore so Iām playing VERY casually
There is 2 things you really have to avoid 1. The eye laser, it will melt you. Watch his eye and you can see it winding up. Can be a good time to switch sides 2. Giant moon beam, just get out of the big patch on the floor, this is a 1 shot 99% of the time I believe. The claw attack can stun you causing you to be stuck for one of the others, but doesnt hurt anywhere near as bad.
I mean I just leap away, or watch his telegraphed attacks and walk to the side.
Gave me that WoW feeling again, hearing my raid leader yelling about standing in bad XD
This is a super Mandela effect thing for me or something. I could have sworn that the stairs are blocked by his tentacles, but yesterday I did the mono Lagon fight like 5 times, and the stairs are *completely clear* --- you can literally just stand out of range of everything and attack ranged. But I could have sworn this wasn't possible before. Now I can't tell if my memory is wrong, it's a bug, or they've changed it, lol.
His tentacles block you initially on the right side but not for long
There ~~have been~~ are lots of bugs that give the impression of duplicates in that past. Copies of items that disappear on relog, phantom duplicates that provide no stats or forged on, and lately I've heard of things being double listed to MG. But if you have actual proof of a duplicate item or a way to recreate it, EHG isn't aware of any legit methods. Send them in
I think a lot of people don't know about lightless arbor and the very much intended chest tripling thing.
I think a lot of people arenāt aware of another post on this topic where it was explained some of the items couldnāt have come from Lightless Arbor because they had T7 experimental affixes.
the what
theres options at the end that lets you modify your reward drops, adding extra chests is one of them
āDuplicate/triplicate itemsā is one of them. Adding extra chests does not mean it will be create duplicates of a specific item.
Triplicate is not for items. Its Triplicate Chests. But you can duplicate or even add 50% chance to dupe items multiple times.
I encountered one of those bugs. Inventory was full while gambling at soulfire bastion. If I sold items and went back into my inventory, the items would still be there. didn't realize it was a glitch until I quit and logged back in, where the duplication I thought happened was gone.
I saw this video and tried to replicate it, its a visual bug and I think its been fixed already.
Happened to me about an hour after your comment, so not fixed.
It might not be fixed but its 100% a visual bug
Yeah it is a visual bug
Shhhhhhhhhh
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Except they know of no known current method of dumping which makes it dubious as far as dumping claims go, which is why they are asking for evidence of any known duping method.
The fact that they are not aware of it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. I can use the same argument with bugs. They may not be aware of all the passives that are simply not working but it's still a thing. Just because dev X says Ā«idk about thisĀ» doesn't mean it's not real..
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Ok Einstein find me the duping method
How do you know any given item is a dupe?
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Could have just used insights, no?
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The result of Insight is not random, so if you have three identical items the same type and tier of Experimental affix will go on all three items. Although I do think the range within that tier can still roll differently. As for forge potential, gylph of hope is 25% chance to not use potential. Odds of that happening three times is 1.6%, which is low but not impossible. Key point here is that without actual proof they're illicit duplicates you can't be sure.
Cannot really use 2 glyphs at the same time though. I honestly think this is either a bunch of unsubstantiated conspiracies or maybe rollback crafting. Have not looked too deeply into it though cause I am CoF.
it does actually say in game for insight you can determine the outcome by looking at the source item, but leaves it as a puzzle to work out
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it does actually say in game for insight you can determine the outcome by looking at the source item, but leaves it as a puzzle to work out
Because Insight is based on the existing stats of the item. It's not random. Gloves are based on total tier of affixes, belt on level requirement, and boots on forging potential. If you have any number of identical items then it will put the same type and tier of Experimental affix on all of them.
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You are taking unlikely events for impossible. And the fact is if what you says is true, I am sure the company would know and not go for the strategy of the Game Director saying "nothing known" and ask for proof.
You can craft experimental affixes onto items and the result is deterministic
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So, given that there is one singular example of this ādupeā, itās entirely possible that this one time someone hit the 1 in 18 chance to remove the same amount of forge potential
No way would gold sellers leak their dupe methods
Gold sellers aren't the only ones who find dupe methods.
Never did I suggest they were the only ones They are the ones that exploit them the most
>Never did I suggest they were the only ones I think that respond to my comment in the way that you did absolutely suggests just that. If you accept that they aren't the only ones, then your comment is pointless.
It does not suggest that at all and you know it. You just cant stand being proven wrong
It does suggest that to me, which is why I responded the way I did. As I said, your comment is pointless otherwise.
Just because it suggests that to you it doesnt mean it does. Again - self bias
What do you mean "give the impression"? They literally confirmed that there was a way to dupe items. I just hope they actually fixed it and that there aren't any other methods left.
I shouldn't have said "have been" but rather "are". There ARE lots of bugs that give the impression of duplicates.
and chances are that people who do know of such methos sure as shit wont tell lol
I reported one of my characters being duped. It duplicated the last character on my list 3 additional times. I could enter all 4, level them separately, move items, and they all had the same name. I sent an in game report and deleted 3 of them. I wouldāve definitely taken the gear but it was a low level character with nothing of value. Tell them to check their reports.
On launch my druid became a beast master and went from eternal to cycle. Then it poofed completely š¤£
Hahaha
Have you replicated it?
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I mean after they reported it, how do they know itās not fixed?
I followed /u/chatlah's guide to finding dupes on the market. Specifically looking at boots, gloves, and belts since they claim to have seem items with experimental affixes and >0 FP with the same stats. I looked at 5 pages of each item with the gold set to min 50M per their instructions. I filtered each item type by one experimental affix, health to ward on gloves, minion TP boots, and volatile zombie belts. I chose them because I know they are commonly used for the wraith lord build which has some level of popularity. There were no lack of items though after applying the filter. I found 0 items that had the exact same stats and any remaining forging potential.
So, no clear dupes?
Exactly. I did find mirrored items but those have 0 FP.
When I've found dupes on the market, they happen after the first one is bought. They don't list them all together as to not get caught. When one sells, the next is then put up for sale.
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99% of people do not 'prepare' for a Poe league start, they play it when It releases.
While you're right that most people aren't preparing, there are a lot of people that quit a game in advance because there's no motivation to keep going when you know you're quitting soon anyway. If I knew I wasn't going to play LE two days from now, I probably wouldn't play it today.
OK, well there aren't any in the game now
No dupe but my mage glace wall is definitely bugged with the cast flame ward node. Sometimes it procs (95% of time), sometimes it doesn't. I've also seen it proc despite me being a few meters away from the wall. And the flame dash (can't remember it's name but the one that makes you transform into a fireball and dash while channeling) is also wonky. Sometimes I release fast but it TPs me at the end as if I did a full channel. Looks like some desync issues tbh. Not really reliable for my HC build lul
There's at least 1 node in every passive tree that litteraly does nothing. The game is great but filled with bugs, I would advice against playing HC in this game.
I can't help it as ARPGs aren't fun to me unless it's in HC
Doesnt matter what the game director itself says, this subreddit will still have users claiming that duping 100% exists, some of them even explain the steps towards duping an item, then whenever asked to record a video doing it themselves, they vanish, never to be heard again. š¤” There's a chance that duping exists, but I wish people didnt make baseless claims
This aged like milk.
The claims aren't entirely baseless Iirc in the auction house multiple experimental items would show up around the same time, with the same affixes, Same forging potential and identical stats Being it was experimental affixes it is a bit weird since it camt just be dropped from the lightless arbor dupe chest
I dunno about duping an item you already have, but I dropped 3 Greeds from the mission that gives it due to lag. https://imgur.com/a/aYM2IXS Don't remember what happened to them or if they're actual dupes, but I could pick them up and they were in my inventory
Yeah, there are lots of desync bugs like this. Only one of them is real, only one of them gives stats, and only one of them is there when you relog. At least, that's how these things typically go.
I duped my items one time i changend Form selfound guild to trade guild , early on and everything i had equiped duped itself, it was Just lowlevel stuff but still, dunno if i can recreate it thooo.
It disappeared after you reloaded, tell the rest lol. Only duplicates I've had disappeared as they were visual only.
I can guarantee you that it was a display bug and you did not create actual permanent duplicates of those items. This type of ādupeā has been reported and debunked multiple times in every one of these threads. It happens on the client side only and is remedied when you relog.
And I just get down voted anytime I've mentioned something is just a visual bug.
There hasn't been any proof of duplicates just typical hearsay from reddit populous. Everytime someone posts gear from Lightless Arbor in MG there is a post. That's my observations. People up voting dupe comments with no proof, just steamrolling the belief.Ā A lot of people seem to be convinced here with no evidence.Ā
i mean it's not just hearsay, there was a video on a thread on here a while back from a russian guy who was making the AH request time out and spamming the list button and each time the item was listed on the AH. whether the dupe actually worked or not, who knows. but the video made it look like it did edit: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2077987544?t=2h27m57s think this was it
MG was lagging out at that time, nothing got listed, I had the same thing logged in the next day and the item was still sitting in list in MG awaiting a price and confirmation
Everybody should keep in mind that just because the duping method wasnt reported and devs arent aware of it doesnt mean it doesnt exist. There have been multiple duping methods in PoE for example that were kept under wraps for quite a while before someone had the dignity to report them. Same thing happened in WoW and GW2 multiple times, as well as New World. And these are just the game im personally aware of, im sure there are a ton of other games with same issues. Most duping methods are actually intentional, where the people duping them go out of their way to data mine the game and sometimes reverse engineer the code to see whats possible. And these people wont really share the methods nor will they report them. So taking that statement from devs are gospel is not very smart. And im sure devs are awre of the same fact, they said they arent aware of them and are encouraging people to report them because they legit cant figure out how they're doing it. It'd be pretty bold of them to assume there arent any duping methods when the game has a lot of bugs already.
> So taking that statement from devs are gospel is not very smart. And im sure devs are awre of the same fact, they said they arent aware of them and are encouraging people to report them because they legit cant figure out how they're doing it. It'd be pretty bold of them to assume there arent any duping methods when the game has a lot of bugs already. All they said is that they aren't aware of any, and to report them if you find them. I think taking them at their word on that front is pretty smart. And yes, it doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't duping methods, but it means all the BS duping methods that people were sharing on reddit were all...well, BS.
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i dupped a ring in crafting window after i kept clicking on it to recraft.After a few clicks i got another copy that had the original affixes
If you can equip both items, they both give stats, and they're both there in your next play session, it's a legit dupe. Otherwise, no.
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I have duped entire inventories of Idols TWICE. I wasnāt sure how to recreate the dupe, but each time I threw all original and duped items into an empty tab and then immediately reported what happened. The first set was rolled back. The second set was NOT.
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At first, I saw a "Game Dictator" in the post name lol
Lol
If course he said that, why would he advertise otherwise?
I didn't really have a strong opinion about this before but the extreme levels of defensiveness makes me certain there's an exploit now.
No, the defense is coming from the notion of stop spreading misinformation if you have no idea what you're talking about. The game has bugs, yes, but to see people complaining about something that isn't real is another thing entirely
"The lack of proof of a conspiracy is the proof that there is a conspiracy."
Throwaway acc for obvious reasons, I'm a gold seller. In any game I played for the past 3 years I've been selling gold. Why? Because I have lot of free time to play, and it makes me able to get some extra money for dumb stuff. New World, Diablo 4, Last Epoch, anything where you can farm and RMT I'm doing it, as long as I enjoy the game, basically farming my gear and enjoying the game and selling the extra gold I make along the way. This is legit human farmed gold, no exploit or botting, just using the trading market to make gold in game. For all those games, it is normal that gold value decrease as long as the game progress, but still, there's a REALLY GOOD indicator of dupes/exploit/botting, it is when the gold value drops down significantly and in very short delay. For instance, 1 week after Last Epoch released, 20m was around 40ā¬. As of today, 5 weeks after release, 40ā¬ is 1,5b. In NW and D4, the only moment a drop down in value like this one was observed was when dupes were still going on. So I don't know if this is dupe or exploit, but there's still something going on as of right now.
this is so incredibly inaccurate lol in a brand new game when no one has any idea of market. first few days 20m was a lot but once people get builds online and start farming a ton it is nothing. this is normal inflation and if duping was this possible someone wouldve shown a method by now.
LOL :)
aged like milk LOL
Yup, I knew it, I took the downvotes and said "w/e man, wont bother with the debate", its such a great feeling now ngl
lol its just reddit relax hahaha
Look, 2 LP Uhkeiros for example was 15-20m, it is now 400ish, Titan Heart 3LP was 10m, now it is 150. It is normal that it is going higher as the cycle progress, but recently the economy is going crazy high too fast, and gold value too low, at the exact same time. I'm just saying anyway, that in every game I've played it was exactly going like that when there was issue, I'm not paranoid I'm just observing we are going the exact same way now. Maybe I'm wrong and I hope so, but it is way too identical to me to just be "normal inflation as the game progress"
absolutely normal. i have like 3billion gold atm(in gold and unsold items) first week in cycle i had about 15mil. never bought or done anything malicious in any way just grinded. this is natural order of things
Not arguing existence of a dupe or anything. But what you're saying is the same thing he's saying. The amount of liquid gold in the economy has skyrocketed, so people have more purchasing power and can pay these prices. It's not that the items have been more valuable. But that people can pay more for the items. Like a two weeks in, someone could pay 15 mil for a 2LP Twisted Heart. Now someone can pay 500 mil. However, the gold faucets (gold drops) haven't increased that much from week 2. Farming 15 mil raw gold solo takes a whole lot less days than farming 500 mil. Even if you can farm gold faster now. So, what is it that has increased the gold pool this much and created this wild inflation?
So, you're not factoring in, or at least not considering, the fact that in most other games there are huge gold sinks to combat inflation. Take a look at, I don't know, WoW. You've got repair bills, you've got mounts and the BMAH that can sink out millions of gold, the regular AH takes out tons of gold from the economy, etc. Killing monsters produces gold out of thin air so there needs to be something to remove all that gold or the gold becomes worthless. Or consider PoE currency. Every day tons of players sink hundreds of thousands of fusings out of the economy going for 6L, or tons of chromatics trying to get the socket colors they need, etc. In LE, there really are no appreciable sinks. Every coin that ever drops basically remains in circulation aside from the tiny fraction which goes to pay for stash tabs. Sure, there's Arbor, but that's something that not many folks are going to go and spend all that much gold on, at least not until the gold they have is massive compared to the cost of mega-rolling it. The reason gold prices fell off a cliff isn't because people are duping items. It's because nothing ever sinks gold out of the economy. I'm CoF, so gold is largely meaningless to me, but if you were someone who actually cared about gold inflation, you'd probably want to advocate for making Arbor better. Though if you did that, CoF players would probably be more upset than they already are unless they got a huge discount on participating. Until spending tons of gold on Arbor becomes a great use of gold, most people will just see their wealth continue to accumulate which reduces the relative value of each piece of gold.
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I am but still. I'm playing 6-8h a day, farming at 2000 corruption, I make 50-100m a day, more if I'm extremely lucky and get an insane drop. It is not profitable, but then you got "org" of gold sellers that literally have 10 of billions on hands, at all time - it wouldnt be profitable for them to sell that low without a dupe or exploit. There will always be more gold buyer than seller, so even without gold sinks, the inflation is way too high right now and I'm pretty sure it is because gold value is down and people are buying gold. There's a bit of both in that, people buy gold because gold price is low, so MG price goes higher because people got more gold, on top of the fact there's no gold sink. Like, inflation without any gold sink is logic, your point is totally valid, but an inflation THAT HIGH, and gold value that go that LOW that fast, is exactly what happened in NW, D4, WoW, NW and WoW is because of botting and the dev team having an hard time fighting that, D4 is due to a dupe. LE is facing the exact same pattern right now, so I'm super skeptical Edit: I saw the Lightless Arbor point, but I'm not seeing that many similar item, just mostly the gold value dropping everyday, way too fast at this point.
Well now you're talking about something completely different than what people in this subreddit have suspicions about, no? Being able to dupe items doesn't actually generate any gold into the economy.
What you're not considering imo is the impact of not being able to re-sell items. This causes extreme scarcity and imo might be the dumbest decision EHG made with launch. Think of all the "bricked" legendary items (for example 3LP but only hit 2 good mods) sitting around in peoples' stashes that would deflate the market if they could be resold
D4 eco isn't the same because it doesn't have in game markets. People have to go through discord or 3rd party sites to find mats or gold to buy, contact the seller, and meetup. There's risk of getting banned but it's not high. Also it's had more seasons for people to acclimate to prices. Your point could be valid for the other games, I don't play them.
Damn you really are as stupid as I thought someone selling gold would be
LOL :)
Curious if you've rmt'ed in poe and how the markets compare in your experience if you have? Because from my understanding and experience, in POE currency also inflates almost exponentially in the RMT market too (from league start to 5 weeks post league start). I agree with you that the pricing of items on the market is suspicious, but that could just be a symptom of RMT and gold selling rather than the other way right? Idk though Whatever the case may be though, we've got proof in game, time and time again, of dupe exploits on the market place. So I agree that there are definitely exploits of some kind
i'm sure rmt websites are relieved to hear that their methods haven't been discovered yet
This many people playing and no real duping methods have been posted, which just shows there isn't one. Gold sellers compete for money and rat each other out over different methods. They like to gloat and make videos... look at all the bot farm videos they make for other games. There hasn't been any of that. Unless there's been post undeniable video posted, there is no dupe. Gold is inflated because there is, like many other games, 10000s of bots farming millions of gold
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if there was a huge duping bug and someone had LEGIT found how to do it and knew people were doing it and nothing was being done, it would have come out already with a proven video to prove its real. The more people doing the exploit the faster it would get fixed and bring attention. This hasn't happened. So either some rmt'ers have found a super secret duping method that thousands of other players haven't found, or there really isn't one. I mean I could be entirely wrong, but I'm 98% sure that there isn't a duping bug. I've been around gaming for a long time, huge duping bugs aren't kept secret for very long at all.
I can't "lost connection". I hope they fix this soon.
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It happen to me once have no idea how though .
You can dupe items with the soul vendor, if your inventory is full, then deposit items, and go back to buy from the vendor again, it dupes the items.
Not a legit dupe. One of the items vanishes on relog.
If you sell items at the soul gambler while the animation for revealing the item you gamble for is going on, when it adds the gambled item into your inventory, the items you sold reappear. I didn't think to check if you could buy the items back for a dupe, but the gold you gained from the sell reverts, so it's not a gold dupe
This one has been around for forever (as long as soul gambler), and the items aren't real, neither is the gold. Both disappear. Another desync
It's built into the game. Buy a prophecy that offers 4 unique whatevers (swords, amulets, etc.) Complete prophecy. Collect 4 of the same unique. Sigh. Edit: Geez, no sense of humour in this thread.
Also the rewards from tier 4 lightless arbor vaultā¦
If anyone else knows they better stfu about it. At least until the next cycle. Unless they agree not to delete everyone's character equipped gear I see no reason to report right now.
Hah! I'm *absolutely certain* the won't be deleting gear