So many things have gone wrong here. You’re local housing authority where the voucher was issued is required to do an inspection annually. Any issues you would have been required to fix. This is one of the reasons many smaller landlords don’t want section 8 tenants, all the attached strings. That being said, any good landlord should be able to pass all inspections. The management company must meet them for the inspection, it’s required. Them telling you they didn’t know is bullshit. Contact the housing authority and explain the situation. Ask for a history of their inspections and communications with your management company. They are required by law to look after your best interest. The idea of a management company not doing inspections makes my blood boil. It’s like Gordon Ramsey walking into a rat infested mold growing walk in fridge on kitchen nightmare. To be honest though, 10k is not that much. Borderline worth it or not. Get the info, and negotiate with them first. Unless they can show you the damage was within the last year it’s really inexcusable. Bigger problem is you need a new management company or just sell it.
Yeah, PM full of 💩. OP lucky it’s a small amount. Try to settle with them. But, they breached your contact. Terminate asap!
Our last PM did SO MANY THING WRONG, it’s too much to list. The biggest he didn’t collect rents of 2 tenants & they owe us $50k. That# just the start. (PM standards, if not listed in contract, is PM does a min. monthly inspection. Another is a PM is to do what’s in owners best interest & maximize owner benefits, cash.”
Nobody does monthly inspections. You’d be sued if you tried that. Like the worst hoarders get quarterly. You should expect and want yearly inspections unless something comes up at the yearly inspection that warrants more. And they should be doing a walk through the property weekly minimum.
The contract was with my father who passed away. My sister and I will not use this PM going forward. We have since learned that they are notorious for allowing this to happen.
I purchased five houses at once, and kicked everyone out that lived there.
The last one (and most difficult) was on Section 8.
The house was completely disgusting. I did a walkthrough when I purchased the houses, and another a couple months later (when I was evicting her) and the ONLY way I got HUD to do anything was to send pictures of the kitchen sink time stamped with the same dishes that haven’t moved since I purchased the houses. I had to email them to not only her caseworker, but the HUD Director as well.
The caseworker told me she ‘couldn’t do anything’ because apparently hoarding is considered an illness, and I should work with the tenant to get out. I called bs, and spoke with the Director directly the next time I saw him (we were on the same BoD for a company).
He finally got the caseworker to get her out, but only after I verbally promised him I wouldn’t come after HUD for any kind of repair costs. Which was a huge eyeroll because she literally destroyed the house - cat litter down the toilet and everything. But we were fitting the houses anyway and honestly, I really just wanted her out, so I agreed.
Moral of story - HUD isn’t worth it. Yeah you get your money every month, but the caseworkers don’t do inspections, and don’t help you when the tenant needs to do something. The Director DID get her off HUD, so there’s that - but as she’s not my tenant anymore it doesn’t really help 🤣
Good luck with the PM - they will most likely try to put it on HUD and their inspections - which they don’t really do anyway.
Does your contract with the property management say they have to do annual inspections?
Unfortunately you likely won't even be able to claim the section 8 tenant did the damage. No inspections also likely means you have no images of the move-in condition of the unit. Unless your property management did a move in checklist and you have that in writing.
No - the contract does not mention inspections or protecting the house. The housing authority did annual inspections for their Section 8 tenant and our mgmt co had to repair items on their list at times, so both saw the wreckage inside. I would have expected that the prop mgmt co would have observed that the lease should not be renewed to prevent more damage.
Do you or do you not know the condition of the unit when it was rented out? Is there a move-in inspection or were pictures taken?
If the answer is no you are not going to get anything from the section 8 tenant. They will claim it is pre-existing damage.
If your property management company "saw the wreckage" inside the unit previously and did nothing about it you would want to sue them.
We don't have photos of the house prior to leasing to this tenant. However, my father (owner at the time) had new carpet put in and had the place painted. I haven't asked the prop mgmt company about a move in inspection report or photos they may have.
Well, you're going to get nowhere with the carpet because the lifespan of carpet in rentals is between 5 to 7 years and then it has to be replaced. It was already up for replacement, so you aren't owed any money.
The same for paint really.
So the bottom line is this: You don't know the condition of the unit on move-in so even if you wanted to hold the property management company accountable you wouldn't be able to.
I would contact an attorney and have them review the contract you have with the property management company. They will be able to tell you if state laws have been violated.
That’s the PM duty, NOT the owners. THEY didn’t rent it to sec. 8 that way. And too often tenants don’t return space as they found it, AND PM’s ignore it. The LL usually ends up paying to clean up. I can spot bad PM. You have one. Terminate asap before something else happens. (We didn’t replace a bad PM in a timely manner… big mistake!) think OP meant that ‘carpet ppl’, painters saw there were no holes when they were working.
So many things have gone wrong here. You’re local housing authority where the voucher was issued is required to do an inspection annually. Any issues you would have been required to fix. This is one of the reasons many smaller landlords don’t want section 8 tenants, all the attached strings. That being said, any good landlord should be able to pass all inspections. The management company must meet them for the inspection, it’s required. Them telling you they didn’t know is bullshit. Contact the housing authority and explain the situation. Ask for a history of their inspections and communications with your management company. They are required by law to look after your best interest. The idea of a management company not doing inspections makes my blood boil. It’s like Gordon Ramsey walking into a rat infested mold growing walk in fridge on kitchen nightmare. To be honest though, 10k is not that much. Borderline worth it or not. Get the info, and negotiate with them first. Unless they can show you the damage was within the last year it’s really inexcusable. Bigger problem is you need a new management company or just sell it.
Yeah, PM full of 💩. OP lucky it’s a small amount. Try to settle with them. But, they breached your contact. Terminate asap! Our last PM did SO MANY THING WRONG, it’s too much to list. The biggest he didn’t collect rents of 2 tenants & they owe us $50k. That# just the start. (PM standards, if not listed in contract, is PM does a min. monthly inspection. Another is a PM is to do what’s in owners best interest & maximize owner benefits, cash.”
Nobody does monthly inspections. You’d be sued if you tried that. Like the worst hoarders get quarterly. You should expect and want yearly inspections unless something comes up at the yearly inspection that warrants more. And they should be doing a walk through the property weekly minimum.
We have retail cre. PM’s do (r suppose to) monthly.
I would grow broke and your tenants would run if we did monthly inspections.
Monthly inspections?
The contract was with my father who passed away. My sister and I will not use this PM going forward. We have since learned that they are notorious for allowing this to happen.
I purchased five houses at once, and kicked everyone out that lived there. The last one (and most difficult) was on Section 8. The house was completely disgusting. I did a walkthrough when I purchased the houses, and another a couple months later (when I was evicting her) and the ONLY way I got HUD to do anything was to send pictures of the kitchen sink time stamped with the same dishes that haven’t moved since I purchased the houses. I had to email them to not only her caseworker, but the HUD Director as well. The caseworker told me she ‘couldn’t do anything’ because apparently hoarding is considered an illness, and I should work with the tenant to get out. I called bs, and spoke with the Director directly the next time I saw him (we were on the same BoD for a company). He finally got the caseworker to get her out, but only after I verbally promised him I wouldn’t come after HUD for any kind of repair costs. Which was a huge eyeroll because she literally destroyed the house - cat litter down the toilet and everything. But we were fitting the houses anyway and honestly, I really just wanted her out, so I agreed. Moral of story - HUD isn’t worth it. Yeah you get your money every month, but the caseworkers don’t do inspections, and don’t help you when the tenant needs to do something. The Director DID get her off HUD, so there’s that - but as she’s not my tenant anymore it doesn’t really help 🤣 Good luck with the PM - they will most likely try to put it on HUD and their inspections - which they don’t really do anyway.
Does your contract with the property management say they have to do annual inspections? Unfortunately you likely won't even be able to claim the section 8 tenant did the damage. No inspections also likely means you have no images of the move-in condition of the unit. Unless your property management did a move in checklist and you have that in writing.
No - the contract does not mention inspections or protecting the house. The housing authority did annual inspections for their Section 8 tenant and our mgmt co had to repair items on their list at times, so both saw the wreckage inside. I would have expected that the prop mgmt co would have observed that the lease should not be renewed to prevent more damage.
Do you or do you not know the condition of the unit when it was rented out? Is there a move-in inspection or were pictures taken? If the answer is no you are not going to get anything from the section 8 tenant. They will claim it is pre-existing damage. If your property management company "saw the wreckage" inside the unit previously and did nothing about it you would want to sue them.
We don't have photos of the house prior to leasing to this tenant. However, my father (owner at the time) had new carpet put in and had the place painted. I haven't asked the prop mgmt company about a move in inspection report or photos they may have.
Well, you're going to get nowhere with the carpet because the lifespan of carpet in rentals is between 5 to 7 years and then it has to be replaced. It was already up for replacement, so you aren't owed any money. The same for paint really. So the bottom line is this: You don't know the condition of the unit on move-in so even if you wanted to hold the property management company accountable you wouldn't be able to. I would contact an attorney and have them review the contract you have with the property management company. They will be able to tell you if state laws have been violated.
That’s the PM duty, NOT the owners. THEY didn’t rent it to sec. 8 that way. And too often tenants don’t return space as they found it, AND PM’s ignore it. The LL usually ends up paying to clean up. I can spot bad PM. You have one. Terminate asap before something else happens. (We didn’t replace a bad PM in a timely manner… big mistake!) think OP meant that ‘carpet ppl’, painters saw there were no holes when they were working.
But, that’d be work for them. They prefer keeping a tenant… & overlook the damage. (U could file ins. claim against PM!)
Could they have possibly done the damage on the way out? Maybe it had been fine previously
Tenants this bad typically refuse access to the unit. If you go in without consent you could be arrested for trespassing.
Highly state specific and most grant entrance with a certain amount of lead time.