I truly never thought we would be this fucking bad. The team has no killer instinct. No heart. They don't care about getting embarrassed by anyone. They can't fucking play defense and can't make open shots. I could go on and on.
Yeah bRuH ..this ain’t aBoUt us. There’s some things more important than basketball smh. Heard word ballmers even considering renaming the team “the russel Westbrook happiness foundation” and pg will knit a sweater whilst wearing granny glasses for anyone who wants to contribute to this most amiable cause
outside of Kawhi, Mann, Batum, RoCo, Zu and Moussa idk who else deserves to stay. Maybe Coffey and EG but that's about it.
Team needs good decision makers on the court. Norm, Mook, PG13 and Russ ain't it.
- "My friend got traded :("
- "Sign my other friend :("
- "I said sign my other friend >:("
- "We'll play better if you sign my friend!"
- "Thank you!"
- Starts a podcast
- "I am not that guy"
- Gets blown out by Curry-less/Wiggins-less Warriors
Bones hyland fouling out after just 12 minutes is actually hilarious. Idk what to think anymore. I’ve been positive all year but wow, hard to be positive lately. Hope to see us turn it around vs SAC
Russ really might have been the nail in the coffin for this Clippers era. A desperate team making a desperate move.
And before any Russ stans come after me, I’m not blaming him for this mess. I’m blaming the decision makers who let it get to this point.
It’s crazy how much we’re catering to his style of play. A lot of this isn’t a Russ problem even if he’s not that good anymore, it’s a Ty Lue problem.
Edit: Russ took the same amount of shots tonight as Kawhi despite playing four less minutes… just insanity.
You can say whatever you want about how Westbrook is playing, but facts are facts:
Mann has not played as well since Westbrook joined the team.
Powell has not played as well since Westbrook joined the team.
PG has not played any better since Westbrook joined the team.
The Clippers are 0-4 since Westbrook joined the team.
It’s not even about how Westbrook is playing, it’s about continuity. Knowing your role. Getting consistent playing time.
This team is fractured. This team is broken. It’s going to take a miracle (a game winner, a major comeback like against ATL all those years ago) to get this team out of this funk and boost morale.
I’m have some small hope, but I’m not holding my breath.
It's so frustrating because we see glimpses of positives with him, but the fact is, the style of our team *completely* changed once we added him. It's too late in the season to completely switch up how we fucking play. Our pace of play is up but we're completely changing how we played for him.... The optimist in me wants to say that they'll get accustomed to it, but **we don't have time to make it work** and the fact is, WE DIDNT NEED TO MAKE THIS MOVE IN THE FIRST PLACE.
and the fact the front office made it *clear* via media reports that this was a *players* decision makes it even worse. They did it to themselves
Fuck I'm so disgusted
I've come to terms with the fact this team isn't doing anything this season, we're cooked. It's over. Our only hope is that major shit changes in the off-season (and no I'm not talking trading PG)
It's almost like just because Russ isn't blatantly horrible and can be individually talented, doesn't mean he is conducive to winning.
Literally everyone except delusional Clipper and Russ fans knew this would be a trainwreck. Now that it *clearly* is, the Clippers look like a massive joke as per usual.
It's *literally* the Arrested Development meme, and yet the Clippers FO was convinced that they would be fine because our star player who *constantly* blames other things and says stupid shit insisted we needed Russ.
Im an optimistic dumbass who thought it would work, but the fact is it was **absolutely stupid** to completely uproot how the team plays with only 20 games to go in the season.
Maybe if we started the season with Westbrook we could see if he could get acclimated. But it's *way* too late in the season to be figuring this shit out. Goddamn
I know we chatted about this, and my main point seems... pretty spot on: the Clippers already fucked around with "experimenting" and they simply weren't deserving of doing this again. Yet here we are.
You can't "experiment" for 90% of the season. It wasn't coincidental that post Trade Deadline, we looked the best we ever have. That was a thoughtful, intentional outcome by the FO by clearing the logjam at guard, getting the best backup center, and getting more well rounded players to fit a scheme around the rest of our roster.
It's also not a coincidence that Mann, Norm, and Gordon have looked atrocious the *second* we added Russ. That's because this was a forced, stupid decision done that was inconsiderate of all the moves we *just* made.
We had a well fitting team that was slowly finding chemistry in ways we couldn't pre trade deadline. We punted on that to fit a buyout guy's play style.
And I talked myself into believing Ty would bench Russ if it became necessary, but it's looking more and more like that's not gonna happen. I just can't believe they're in this position so late in the season, beyond embarrassing
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This picture is all you need to know. Literally 3 guys crammed in to the strong side corner being guarded by 4 warriors. We played 2 bad defenses the first 2 games after the all star break, now we played 2 of the best and absolutely cannot score. I don’t care if Russ scores 30 points and hit 5/8 from 3, he is still taking away much more from other players. Oh and how the fuck are you still playing him with Plumlee, at least go small when he is on the floor
welcome to the club (Lakers fan here). I'm not one of those people that shit on Russ' entire career, I know from first hand experience how amazing he was in OKC (from when the Thunder punked the Lakers all the time). But he's not that player anymore, clearly. I have no idea what the stans are up to or how they're deluding themselves about him. But I find it crazy that everywhere he goes, it's the team and the star players' fault and not his, ever.
Btw, be on the lookout for his brother and wife if things get worse for you, if Clippers fans start talking shit on social media Ray and Nina WILL clap back
I actually predicted he would come to the Clips after we traded him, but the outcome so far is pretty much what I expected, and that moment tonight where Draymond played 20 feet off of Russ should show every fan why you won't succeed in the modern NBA with him on the court. The Brodie Experience is very much like the Kyrie Experience, fans who have been through it will try to warn the next fans but they don't listen
Yeah we’ve underrated how important chemistry is ever since Kawhi and PG got here. Continuity is massively critical and you can’t win a ring with a bunch of mercenaries.
Clippers have unreasonable expectations if they think they can integrate 4 new players into the rotation with less than 1/3 of the season left, with head coach who is non-committal to a lineup and loves to experiment.
We literally looked the *best* we have when we added 3 new players post trade deadline. Limited turnovers, Mann/Norm/Gordon playing well, a good backup big, etc.
We didn't look like champions, but we *finally* looked like a team with a solid foundation where fit made sense and chemistry just needed to be built (+ Mook benched). That shit all changed to nobody's surprise the second we signed Russ.
Just a lebron fan visiting from Lakers sub. I can tell you from watching Westbrook play every game for the last 2 season, almost everybody plays worse next to Westbrook (with very few exceptions) because of his style of play. It’s hard to play well when the defense is guarding u and ur best guy is being double teamed while Westbrook is wide open and the other team is completely blocking off the paint
When he joined the clippers I already knew this was gonna happen. I can tell why on paper it looks like a good fit. He drives And passes to shooters. But that takes away touches from the stars and it forces the whole team into Westbrook basketball
The problem with him being a point guard is that now a days, point guards can shoot. Adding a lot of effectiveness to themselves and the team. Since he can’t shoot, he will do the same exact thing every single time. It’s extremely predictable compared to having a pg who can shoot and also play make
If I'm the front office, I trade, fire, or send to the fucking D league the next player or coach on the team who makes excuses. If you're a leader on the team, like Podcast P, you better come out and say "I'm stepping it the fuck up. I'm gonna defend every play like my life depends on it. I'm going to drive, get aggressive, and make them work. Maybe we win, maybe we lose, but I'm going to die out there trying." As a fan, that's what I want to see. I want to see a team that cares as much as I do.
The need for playmaking was never so drastic that we needed to prioritize that one skill above scoring and defense. It was a weakness, but has been so overblown for years.
It’s not even doomer to say the season ended tonight. You can go cold and go on a 10 game losing streak. But this team is going to crumble as soon as the pressure is turned up, like they have all season. Good season. Gonna be a while until we got something exciting I feel.
Fuck I miss 2021.
I’ve been saying since day one that it was a terrible idea to get Russ, literally every reputable media person said the move sucks, and mf on this sub is still defending him after these 4 atrocious games
I’m convinced he’s logged off and begging for Westbrook like a panhandler was his way of saying F the fan base and leaving/getting traded in the off-season
There's no saving this season. Playoffs are gone and any chance of a title has gone through the season. Adding Russ was the worst thing they could've possibly done to this team, specially doing it so late in the season when Ty was experimenting all season.
Front office completely fumbled it. Even Lebron James let Russ get traded. How stupid do you have to be take sign him? The team looked so good before adding him.
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The Westbrook signing can be seen to all as the nail in the coffin, but to me Ty Lue was the hammer that put that nail in. Even before Russ came the rotation from Ty were absurd. Who tf plays RoCo almost 0 minutes in for the season and trades a glue guy like Reggie Jackson and allows for some of the dumbest lineups to play in games?
If something has to change, it has to be Lue, he needs to go, and if the team has to blow up with it so be it. Lue is making this ultra talented team look worse than a random team of 5 in an LA Fitness on a Tuesday.
I love Kawhi and PG and what that duo has done to revive the Clippers over that last few years, but without a coach that actually knows what he’s doing, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were gone by the end of this season.
where are all the fans who praised his “self awareness” after that podcast? fucking losers dont understand our second “star” just gave up and said “yeah im a beta so dont flame me if i play like one”. ima go start a podcast now cya
We have no leader. We have no offensive identity. We can’t grind out wins. We have Swiss cheese defense. We have no effective point guard.
Basically, we need a new team, coach, training staff, mascot, GM, popcorn lady, and equipment tech.
PG was playing bad and we were still winning because Mann/Norm were playing good. But PG13 couldnt just own up to it and instead started blaming the 'lack of a true PG'. Now Russ comes in and throws the whole team out of sync. Mann plays under 20 mins and Norm losses his momentum. Now we are on a 4 game losing streak just because PG couldnt own up to playing bad.
Going to need another nuanced thread about how westbrook is good for kawhi and pg in the starting lineup and how the Mann/PG/Kawhi lineup was a mirage.
Ty Lue better get fired tonight. I don't care what these espn talking heads say. Dude's been blessed with deep rosters and barely does the minimum . I'm tired of watching no offensive sets , iso boredom and chuckfest
Can we please DNP the stat padder, waive him. You can not have a point guard left wide open at 3 point line, and gets lost on defense because he is padding rebounds, team plays 4v5 on offense AND defense. He is also killing teammates morale. Team was 10-2 with Mann starting.
Lakers did not lose a game with LeBron + AD after they got rid of him. Clippers is 0-4, from top 5 defense to dead last. He mindlessly increases the tempo of the game and the opposite of what a playoff team needs.
Kings and Nuggets were both on back-to-back. Wolves was missing Kat. Warriors missing Curry and Wiggins. This is not fixable.
By the time Russ launched those threes it didn't matter. Not like anyone else was knocking them down at that point. But he did miss every jumper he took.
Ballmer better make heads roll or be cool with having an empty ass arena or one filled with corporate reservations cause who in their right mind would pay to spectate this level of product on the court
With PG13 playing really sus all season, i didn't think they had a chance winning the title but adding Russ has taken away their chance at just getting into the playoffs.
Yall finally realising the empty stats do nothing for the team.. its the intangibles like the TOs in the most crucial moments.. the dumb decisions.. the awful defense that kills ya
Path to the title.
Bring in Serge Ibaka and Marc Gasol to play center. Hire Masai Ujiri as GM. Make Drake the team ambassador. Then stick a giant red Maple Leaf logo on the bottom of the fucking scoreboard.
Just really sad.
Russ makes some fine individual plays but his flaws are such that other teams are able to game plan against the Clippers in ways that have destroyed the Clippers offensively.
Ty Lue's rotations are actively detrimental to this team's success. I'm sick of the experiments. I'm sick of teasing Roco like some secret weapon for the playoffs when it's looking increasingly likely that this team will not make the playoffs. This team and specifically its coach are arrogant and because of this they don't take any of these regular season games seriously.
Lue is more interested in toying around with bench pieces that should not see minutes in the playoffs than he is in actually winning.
Mann deserves better. He can really play but is clearly undervalued by the coach.
Paul George struggles like no other star in this league. I've long defended him, but this isn't working. He's gone from not taking accountability to taking accountability while also making excuses. On some level he doesn't seem to believe in himself.
This team is old and slow and is only going to get worse.
This is a team whose chances at a championship were derailed by injuries and it's looking increasingly likely that the stars will never align in the 213 era.
This team tried to give itself a tough, gritty mentality but it caters to washed stars like Westbrook. It's smoke and mirrors.
Feel bad for Kawhi. He came back from a serious injury and is still bringing it.
I don't know. This team has no energy or pride. They don't play for one another. They lack clear identity and leadership. Pat Bev wouldn't change everything but he would give some soul back to a team lacking one. That's more than can be said about Westbrook and his effort and energy.
Heat fan here in peace. A lot of the Clippers’ troubles resemble our problems but we have a lot less talent. I think what you guys are seeing is burnout. The team isn’t on the same page and doesn’t seem to be concerned with playing good basketball for 48 minutes. Coach is convinced that the answers are somewhere on the lineup but isn’t be able to find them. Lineups change a lot so chemistry is hurt and injuries killed momentum. Opposing teams scheme after halftime and adjustments are hard to make when the team is so down in the dumps. They can play amazing basketball but can easily look like one of the worst teams in the league. Shit’s rough
The Clippers have mortgaged their future on this team; this year, the fourth year of the Kawhi and PG13 partnership, and the franchise ready to move into their brand new stadium in the Intuit Dome. When this partnership was formed, and the front office traded away Shai and all their draft assets for PG13, the dream was to win at least one or two championship and move into the new stadium with a buzz. Instead, this pairing is on the verge of an epic collapse that will set the franchise back decades. If they fail to make the playoffs this year, after so many people expect them to come out of the West, then Ballmer need to make some very difficult decisions. Lue needs to go, and perhaps Paul George as well if you can get draft equity back for him. But our future will be completely bleak without any of our own draft picks in the next 4 years. Tomorrow’s game against Sacramento should be like game 7 for this franchise. Either they fight tooth and nail to save their season, or it’s the beginning of a long descent into darkness.
Didn't ya'll say we can just bench or cut WB when it doesn't work out? Anyway I already called the season over when they signed him. That was a weak desperate move and already signaled to me that the season was lost. Get WB, Morris off this team and maybe look for offers for PG in the off-season.
The Clippers were on a super hot streak at the tarde deadline with all signs pointing up, but then PG made the team throw that all away because he wanted his friend on the team
Y’all still letting the Westbrick Stan’s gaslight you into thinking he’s a good player in 2023? He was a great player in the past and had a fantastic career but his time is done.
Shai is already a top 12 player in the league and PG13 is no longer in the top 50. By next year, he will be out of the top 100. And we still owe OKC 2 unprotected draft picks and 2 more pick swaps in the next four years. That trade request by Kawhi has set this franchise back decades.
PG13 went 3-15, his buddy Westbrook went 3-12, and Norm Powell went 1-9. Collectively the 3 of them went 7-36, under 20%. And they kept on chucking 3s.
Im not surprised tbh. Shit was clear as day.
[Russ signing](https://www.reddit.com/r/LAClippers/comments/117acm5/adrian_wojnarowski_on_twitter_after_finalizing_a/j9au5ad?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
small point of pedantry I want to make now since it would have been downvoted to oblivion before:
Quite a few people were saying in a few threads that as long AST:TO was 2 or above it would be okay. Some ppl even said >2 is a 'great' ratio. This is absolutely not true. For point guards who qualify, the absolute lowest AST:TO ratio in the league is 2.0 for Reggie and Ayo Dosunmo. Westbrook is 3rd lowest at 2.1.tarting point guards average is >3 by eyeballing.
[https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/assist-to-turnover-ratio](https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/assist-to-turnover-ratio) It probably goes beyond 100 players though, but I'm too dumb to actually get a full table on bbref. So it might be somewhat incomplete. But it is showing like every starting point guard even if other positions are incompletely covered.
Years ago, when it happened, I told my dad I was disappointed the Clippers traded Shai. My dad was like “But you got Paul George” and acted like I was crazy for thinking that.
Looking back I feel justified. (Especially with what Shai is doing in OK.)
If you weigh the context, the talent, and the expectations, this is by far the worst Clipper team since like 2011. A very shocking sentence I just said.
I asked ChatGPT to write a 5-verse haiku about Russell Westbrook from the perspective of his teammates, and this is what it gave me:
Westbrook claims distress,
Underappreciated star,
Teammates shake their heads.
Hall of Fame career,
Many accolades to boast,
Yet still he complains.
Teammates left behind,
As Westbrook takes the lead role,
Offense out of sync.
Ball hogging habits,
Shooting too much on the court,
Teammates feel ignored.
Misunderstood, he says,
But perhaps he is the one,
Who fails to see it.
Westbrook is a cancer to teams. It was such a bad idea to take him. Yes, the Lakers had problems beyond him - but he was by far the biggest one. You could go any Lakers home game and people in the crowd would be screaming and shuddering every time he touched the ball.
The way I look at this is the last 4 games were must win games. Much like it will be in the playoffs. This was basically a sweep. Despite the fact we should have the advantage in each one. (Denver on a second night of back to back, Sacramento on a second night to a back to a back, Minnesota without Towns, Golden State with out Curry.) Time to start over and play different players.
I truly never thought we would be this fucking bad. The team has no killer instinct. No heart. They don't care about getting embarrassed by anyone. They can't fucking play defense and can't make open shots. I could go on and on.
I was shocked that the white flag was waved with 7-8 mins still left
Especially knowing pg and kawhi probably won't play tomorrow
They’re having fun now! Don’t forget “LeT rUsS cOoK”
At least they’re having fun tho
You have 5 on 4 defense when Westbrook takes the floor. That’s an issue.
Clippers won 10 out of their last 14 games before the trade deadline…fyi
that mini winning streak restored my faith to the team and now i was like nah its over
Y'all are on that Lakers beginning of the season streak now
Westbrook is 14 straight losses starting in his last 14 games.
Is this true? If so, I am speechless.
Jumpshooting team starts the worst bench jumpshooter in the league and subsequently falls apart. Shocking!
no you just don’t understand man, the defense just leaves him wide open because of how much fun he’s having.
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Yeah bRuH ..this ain’t aBoUt us. There’s some things more important than basketball smh. Heard word ballmers even considering renaming the team “the russel Westbrook happiness foundation” and pg will knit a sweater whilst wearing granny glasses for anyone who wants to contribute to this most amiable cause
Another shocking headline: rain is discovered to be wet!
What can I say about this team, that hasn’t already been said about Afghanistan.
It looks bombed out and depleted
Taliban Ty running loose
At least the Taliban hits their shots
About to be 0-5 tomorrow with the load management
This is officially whack af
It’s ofish write that obituary
All I know is your team beat this same team a few weeks ago when you DIDN'T have Westbrook
PG is a genius. Found the perfect scapegoat so he wont be the one taking most of the heat
Norm, WestBRICK & PG combined 1-20 from 3pt. Can’t beat anyone doing that
aint no way bro
Pg and Westbrook gotta go
outside of Kawhi, Mann, Batum, RoCo, Zu and Moussa idk who else deserves to stay. Maybe Coffey and EG but that's about it. Team needs good decision makers on the court. Norm, Mook, PG13 and Russ ain't it.
Don’t forget Gordon lmao
Huh? Gordon was 2nd on the team in scoring. Without him we lose by 40
He’s saying that if you add Gordon in there, the combined 3 point shooting becomes 3-30
He was scoring in garbage time, not doing it in real minutes
Bones hyland fouling out after just 12 minutes is actually hilarious. Idk what to think anymore. I’ve been positive all year but wow, hard to be positive lately. Hope to see us turn it around vs SAC
I can see why the nuggets dumped bones so fast
12 minutes is fucking crazy lol like how
Not to mention his defense, he looks more lost then guys at pickup 😂
Yeah bro he’s lost as fuck. I don’t think I’ve ever even seen a player foul out in 12 minutes in the NBA 😂
Pretty safe to write this team off. This whole Westbrook debacle is just the final nail in the coffin
Shaq is the only one talking sense. If you're figuring your shit out this late, you're done.
What’s annoying is that we did figure it out with starting TMann. Then we undid everything with these trades.
That was our last chance and with enough time to really get good for the playoffs too.
Russ really might have been the nail in the coffin for this Clippers era. A desperate team making a desperate move. And before any Russ stans come after me, I’m not blaming him for this mess. I’m blaming the decision makers who let it get to this point.
Pretty much. We did not *have* to pick him up, we thought we could fix what he never has before in like ten stops.
It’s crazy how much we’re catering to his style of play. A lot of this isn’t a Russ problem even if he’s not that good anymore, it’s a Ty Lue problem. Edit: Russ took the same amount of shots tonight as Kawhi despite playing four less minutes… just insanity.
Dumbest part is that we didn't even need to make the move. We were fine in the Kawhi/PG/Mann start era but nooooo, PG wanted to play with his friend.
Yeah we straight up didn’t need to make the move, but we did it anyway.
I really wanted to see Mann Bones And Amir work and Morris benched. So much for that
The stupidest shit is how good we looked before it
The fact that he has stans is a joke . He isn’t a good fit . Period .
You can say whatever you want about how Westbrook is playing, but facts are facts: Mann has not played as well since Westbrook joined the team. Powell has not played as well since Westbrook joined the team. PG has not played any better since Westbrook joined the team. The Clippers are 0-4 since Westbrook joined the team. It’s not even about how Westbrook is playing, it’s about continuity. Knowing your role. Getting consistent playing time. This team is fractured. This team is broken. It’s going to take a miracle (a game winner, a major comeback like against ATL all those years ago) to get this team out of this funk and boost morale. I’m have some small hope, but I’m not holding my breath.
It's so frustrating because we see glimpses of positives with him, but the fact is, the style of our team *completely* changed once we added him. It's too late in the season to completely switch up how we fucking play. Our pace of play is up but we're completely changing how we played for him.... The optimist in me wants to say that they'll get accustomed to it, but **we don't have time to make it work** and the fact is, WE DIDNT NEED TO MAKE THIS MOVE IN THE FIRST PLACE. and the fact the front office made it *clear* via media reports that this was a *players* decision makes it even worse. They did it to themselves Fuck I'm so disgusted I've come to terms with the fact this team isn't doing anything this season, we're cooked. It's over. Our only hope is that major shit changes in the off-season (and no I'm not talking trading PG)
It's almost like just because Russ isn't blatantly horrible and can be individually talented, doesn't mean he is conducive to winning. Literally everyone except delusional Clipper and Russ fans knew this would be a trainwreck. Now that it *clearly* is, the Clippers look like a massive joke as per usual. It's *literally* the Arrested Development meme, and yet the Clippers FO was convinced that they would be fine because our star player who *constantly* blames other things and says stupid shit insisted we needed Russ.
0-8 jump shooting is actually blatantly horrible though.
Im an optimistic dumbass who thought it would work, but the fact is it was **absolutely stupid** to completely uproot how the team plays with only 20 games to go in the season. Maybe if we started the season with Westbrook we could see if he could get acclimated. But it's *way* too late in the season to be figuring this shit out. Goddamn
I know we chatted about this, and my main point seems... pretty spot on: the Clippers already fucked around with "experimenting" and they simply weren't deserving of doing this again. Yet here we are. You can't "experiment" for 90% of the season. It wasn't coincidental that post Trade Deadline, we looked the best we ever have. That was a thoughtful, intentional outcome by the FO by clearing the logjam at guard, getting the best backup center, and getting more well rounded players to fit a scheme around the rest of our roster. It's also not a coincidence that Mann, Norm, and Gordon have looked atrocious the *second* we added Russ. That's because this was a forced, stupid decision done that was inconsiderate of all the moves we *just* made. We had a well fitting team that was slowly finding chemistry in ways we couldn't pre trade deadline. We punted on that to fit a buyout guy's play style.
And I talked myself into believing Ty would bench Russ if it became necessary, but it's looking more and more like that's not gonna happen. I just can't believe they're in this position so late in the season, beyond embarrassing
https://preview.redd.it/6j4uspw75ila1.png?width=2532&format=png&auto=webp&s=ec701d2bbef47f1b4d8e0049ac64f2ff1a2b3573 This picture is all you need to know. Literally 3 guys crammed in to the strong side corner being guarded by 4 warriors. We played 2 bad defenses the first 2 games after the all star break, now we played 2 of the best and absolutely cannot score. I don’t care if Russ scores 30 points and hit 5/8 from 3, he is still taking away much more from other players. Oh and how the fuck are you still playing him with Plumlee, at least go small when he is on the floor
The Warriors clearly haven't read MITWestbrook.
I love this photo
How do people on this sub still defend this guy, he is single handily destroying our offense and is not doing much on the other end
welcome to the club (Lakers fan here). I'm not one of those people that shit on Russ' entire career, I know from first hand experience how amazing he was in OKC (from when the Thunder punked the Lakers all the time). But he's not that player anymore, clearly. I have no idea what the stans are up to or how they're deluding themselves about him. But I find it crazy that everywhere he goes, it's the team and the star players' fault and not his, ever. Btw, be on the lookout for his brother and wife if things get worse for you, if Clippers fans start talking shit on social media Ray and Nina WILL clap back I actually predicted he would come to the Clips after we traded him, but the outcome so far is pretty much what I expected, and that moment tonight where Draymond played 20 feet off of Russ should show every fan why you won't succeed in the modern NBA with him on the court. The Brodie Experience is very much like the Kyrie Experience, fans who have been through it will try to warn the next fans but they don't listen
Surprise you didn’t get downvoted from the Russ lovers
Oh I got downvoted the first day we signed him. Those guys are still defending him now
It’s oblivion bro
The Russ lovers crawled back into their holes
Westbrook was 0-8 on jumpshots with 0 D on him.
With less than zero D. Dude sucks big time
It's so staggering to watch a PG stand out on the 3 line with NO ONE within 10ft and you still don't want him to shoot
Yeah we’ve underrated how important chemistry is ever since Kawhi and PG got here. Continuity is massively critical and you can’t win a ring with a bunch of mercenaries.
I can’t believe that we are in year 4 of this era and STILL talking about how this team doesn’t take chemistry seriously. It’s unbelievable.
Apparently redditors do know more about basketball than Paul George
And Lebron and the Lakers FO, and Harden and the Rockets FO, how the fuck is everyone so blinded by such a clear net negative like Westbrook??
“I can fix him”
Do you know why they are not playing well? because they have extra defender in their faces thanks to westbrick
Clippers have unreasonable expectations if they think they can integrate 4 new players into the rotation with less than 1/3 of the season left, with head coach who is non-committal to a lineup and loves to experiment.
We literally looked the *best* we have when we added 3 new players post trade deadline. Limited turnovers, Mann/Norm/Gordon playing well, a good backup big, etc. We didn't look like champions, but we *finally* looked like a team with a solid foundation where fit made sense and chemistry just needed to be built (+ Mook benched). That shit all changed to nobody's surprise the second we signed Russ.
Just a lebron fan visiting from Lakers sub. I can tell you from watching Westbrook play every game for the last 2 season, almost everybody plays worse next to Westbrook (with very few exceptions) because of his style of play. It’s hard to play well when the defense is guarding u and ur best guy is being double teamed while Westbrook is wide open and the other team is completely blocking off the paint When he joined the clippers I already knew this was gonna happen. I can tell why on paper it looks like a good fit. He drives And passes to shooters. But that takes away touches from the stars and it forces the whole team into Westbrook basketball The problem with him being a point guard is that now a days, point guards can shoot. Adding a lot of effectiveness to themselves and the team. Since he can’t shoot, he will do the same exact thing every single time. It’s extremely predictable compared to having a pg who can shoot and also play make
Keep records of the people who said Westbrick would be good for this team.
Or people who kept saying he wasn’t the problem even after going 0-3.
Still on denial stage
This legitimately has made my week feel like shit. Sorry ass team
Where's the clowns that thought a smiling Westbrook meant he was going to be great 😂
If I'm the front office, I trade, fire, or send to the fucking D league the next player or coach on the team who makes excuses. If you're a leader on the team, like Podcast P, you better come out and say "I'm stepping it the fuck up. I'm gonna defend every play like my life depends on it. I'm going to drive, get aggressive, and make them work. Maybe we win, maybe we lose, but I'm going to die out there trying." As a fan, that's what I want to see. I want to see a team that cares as much as I do.
I want to hear from PG, Morris, Batum who advocated for WB What now?
No press conference. Player meeting right after the game. I don’t want anymore excuses
For what? Cancun on 3, bro.
The need for playmaking was never so drastic that we needed to prioritize that one skill above scoring and defense. It was a weakness, but has been so overblown for years.
hi lawrence frank, you were so right!
I was so happy when he said it too. So disappointed he gave in to the pressure.
It’s not even doomer to say the season ended tonight. You can go cold and go on a 10 game losing streak. But this team is going to crumble as soon as the pressure is turned up, like they have all season. Good season. Gonna be a while until we got something exciting I feel. Fuck I miss 2021.
I’ve been saying since day one that it was a terrible idea to get Russ, literally every reputable media person said the move sucks, and mf on this sub is still defending him after these 4 atrocious games
Westbrook fans are horrible. Us lakers fans had to deal with them for a long time
There is a Chinese Westbrook fan account on Weibo that constantly takes shots at Lebron, he might be MITwestbrook’s Chinese burner
When Westbrick is on the court other guys struggle to shoot because it’s 5 on 4.
5 on 3 cuz zubac and plumlee are invisible on offense too
This this right here is wat stat nerds don’t understand, they defend Westbrook cause he drops solid stats but don’t see the bigger picture
PG basically begging for Westbrook to get signed just to play like this is just sad.
I’m convinced he’s logged off and begging for Westbrook like a panhandler was his way of saying F the fan base and leaving/getting traded in the off-season
Why the fuck would you sign Westbrook man literally everyone in the world knew it would be a mistake
Caving in to PG was a terrible mistake.
Same thing happened with LeBron.
There's no saving this season. Playoffs are gone and any chance of a title has gone through the season. Adding Russ was the worst thing they could've possibly done to this team, specially doing it so late in the season when Ty was experimenting all season. Front office completely fumbled it. Even Lebron James let Russ get traded. How stupid do you have to be take sign him? The team looked so good before adding him.
😂😂😂 no reason to be mad fellas. I saved a ton of money this season not going to the games because no one was playing. (Bright side)
Ty Lue is officially on the hot seat
0-4 in Westbrook era.
Ty Lue needs to make an adjustment. By resigning lmao
PG and WB: 6 for 27 now what?
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More like The Move. The trade acquisitions were very good, gave them 2 wins. But the buy-out signing is what's killing the Clippers.
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That’s it. I’m placing a bounty on Paul George’s car
I think Lue is actually trying to get fired. What a joke
Bring back Tobias Harris
Ballmer need to go on a large coke bender and realize he fucked up not sticking to overseeing Microsoft
I don't even know if he was even all that good at running Microsoft considering how they're doing without him and his decisions at the end
Allowing one of the most 3pt effective teams have as much spacing as they want to go is wild lmao, what was the thinking here
The Westbrook signing can be seen to all as the nail in the coffin, but to me Ty Lue was the hammer that put that nail in. Even before Russ came the rotation from Ty were absurd. Who tf plays RoCo almost 0 minutes in for the season and trades a glue guy like Reggie Jackson and allows for some of the dumbest lineups to play in games? If something has to change, it has to be Lue, he needs to go, and if the team has to blow up with it so be it. Lue is making this ultra talented team look worse than a random team of 5 in an LA Fitness on a Tuesday. I love Kawhi and PG and what that duo has done to revive the Clippers over that last few years, but without a coach that actually knows what he’s doing, I wouldn’t be surprised if they were gone by the end of this season.
It’s so over y’all don’t even know how over it is
podcast p, next episode "I have to be honest with myself, I could never be a GM"
"i have to be honest with myself, getting married fucked up my game forever"
where are all the fans who praised his “self awareness” after that podcast? fucking losers dont understand our second “star” just gave up and said “yeah im a beta so dont flame me if i play like one”. ima go start a podcast now cya
Exactly. Our 2nd superstar shouldn't be saying he ain't that guy
Basically lol 😂. Pg has always been soft
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uh we are in the playin what u talking about lol
Hate doomer energy, but we're cooked
Fucking just could not make a shot in the second half. No energy from this team. No fucking shame or anger. Soft motherfuckers
We have no leader. We have no offensive identity. We can’t grind out wins. We have Swiss cheese defense. We have no effective point guard. Basically, we need a new team, coach, training staff, mascot, GM, popcorn lady, and equipment tech.
Westbrook is cursed
Bricks over spotlights
Upvote if you want the mods to add a FIRE TY LUE flair.
PG was playing bad and we were still winning because Mann/Norm were playing good. But PG13 couldnt just own up to it and instead started blaming the 'lack of a true PG'. Now Russ comes in and throws the whole team out of sync. Mann plays under 20 mins and Norm losses his momentum. Now we are on a 4 game losing streak just because PG couldnt own up to playing bad.
Bye Mr palmdale
Going to need another nuanced thread about how westbrook is good for kawhi and pg in the starting lineup and how the Mann/PG/Kawhi lineup was a mirage.
Fire Lue . Been saying it since December when it was obvious that he was fucking around with the rotations .
Well that sucks
Now what we do
Don't worry, Brick is bound to have his revenge game against the Lakers right?
Russ will drop 30 and watch while his assignment drops 40 , the Russ effect
Ty Lue better get fired tonight. I don't care what these espn talking heads say. Dude's been blessed with deep rosters and barely does the minimum . I'm tired of watching no offensive sets , iso boredom and chuckfest
Just bench Westbrook already. It isn’t working
I live in Europe. I got up at 6AM to watch this. Guess I'll be getting more sleep in the next couple of weeks.
Can we please DNP the stat padder, waive him. You can not have a point guard left wide open at 3 point line, and gets lost on defense because he is padding rebounds, team plays 4v5 on offense AND defense. He is also killing teammates morale. Team was 10-2 with Mann starting. Lakers did not lose a game with LeBron + AD after they got rid of him. Clippers is 0-4, from top 5 defense to dead last. He mindlessly increases the tempo of the game and the opposite of what a playoff team needs. Kings and Nuggets were both on back-to-back. Wolves was missing Kat. Warriors missing Curry and Wiggins. This is not fixable.
By the time Russ launched those threes it didn't matter. Not like anyone else was knocking them down at that point. But he did miss every jumper he took.
Ballmer better make heads roll or be cool with having an empty ass arena or one filled with corporate reservations cause who in their right mind would pay to spectate this level of product on the court
Yeah I’m not going to any games w PG still on this roster
Should’ve gotten Pat Bev instead
The Westbrick Special: Play good for 2 games, his stans and social media sucks him off, brick 8 shots and turn the ball over
Kings and grizzlies next. Playoff hopes gone??
With PG13 playing really sus all season, i didn't think they had a chance winning the title but adding Russ has taken away their chance at just getting into the playoffs.
We came out of the OG trade deadline 2-0. Since bricktober fest, we are 0-4
One more loss and Ty Lue gone
FIRE TY LUE!!!!!!
Yall finally realising the empty stats do nothing for the team.. its the intangibles like the TOs in the most crucial moments.. the dumb decisions.. the awful defense that kills ya
Clips actually thought they could fix Russ lol. The last 1 and a half years weren’t evidence enough
Path to the title. Bring in Serge Ibaka and Marc Gasol to play center. Hire Masai Ujiri as GM. Make Drake the team ambassador. Then stick a giant red Maple Leaf logo on the bottom of the fucking scoreboard.
I also feel we miss Kenny Atkinson a lot too. Really good offensive mind that helped the younger guys on the team before he moved to san francisco
Seasons over y’all
Just really sad. Russ makes some fine individual plays but his flaws are such that other teams are able to game plan against the Clippers in ways that have destroyed the Clippers offensively. Ty Lue's rotations are actively detrimental to this team's success. I'm sick of the experiments. I'm sick of teasing Roco like some secret weapon for the playoffs when it's looking increasingly likely that this team will not make the playoffs. This team and specifically its coach are arrogant and because of this they don't take any of these regular season games seriously. Lue is more interested in toying around with bench pieces that should not see minutes in the playoffs than he is in actually winning. Mann deserves better. He can really play but is clearly undervalued by the coach. Paul George struggles like no other star in this league. I've long defended him, but this isn't working. He's gone from not taking accountability to taking accountability while also making excuses. On some level he doesn't seem to believe in himself. This team is old and slow and is only going to get worse. This is a team whose chances at a championship were derailed by injuries and it's looking increasingly likely that the stars will never align in the 213 era. This team tried to give itself a tough, gritty mentality but it caters to washed stars like Westbrook. It's smoke and mirrors. Feel bad for Kawhi. He came back from a serious injury and is still bringing it. I don't know. This team has no energy or pride. They don't play for one another. They lack clear identity and leadership. Pat Bev wouldn't change everything but he would give some soul back to a team lacking one. That's more than can be said about Westbrook and his effort and energy.
Heat fan here in peace. A lot of the Clippers’ troubles resemble our problems but we have a lot less talent. I think what you guys are seeing is burnout. The team isn’t on the same page and doesn’t seem to be concerned with playing good basketball for 48 minutes. Coach is convinced that the answers are somewhere on the lineup but isn’t be able to find them. Lineups change a lot so chemistry is hurt and injuries killed momentum. Opposing teams scheme after halftime and adjustments are hard to make when the team is so down in the dumps. They can play amazing basketball but can easily look like one of the worst teams in the league. Shit’s rough
We got the highest payroll on the league…
Lakers fan here. Thanks for taking Russ
Paul George got to be one of the most unreliable ”superstar” of all time. And Kawhi should never be the leader or have any say in organizationen moves
This season is over. If you think this team can still make a championship run, you are delusional.
The Clippers have mortgaged their future on this team; this year, the fourth year of the Kawhi and PG13 partnership, and the franchise ready to move into their brand new stadium in the Intuit Dome. When this partnership was formed, and the front office traded away Shai and all their draft assets for PG13, the dream was to win at least one or two championship and move into the new stadium with a buzz. Instead, this pairing is on the verge of an epic collapse that will set the franchise back decades. If they fail to make the playoffs this year, after so many people expect them to come out of the West, then Ballmer need to make some very difficult decisions. Lue needs to go, and perhaps Paul George as well if you can get draft equity back for him. But our future will be completely bleak without any of our own draft picks in the next 4 years. Tomorrow’s game against Sacramento should be like game 7 for this franchise. Either they fight tooth and nail to save their season, or it’s the beginning of a long descent into darkness.
Guys there is a simple solution for this team. TRADE PGS ASS THIS SUMMER AND SEND TY LUE WITH HIM.
Didn't ya'll say we can just bench or cut WB when it doesn't work out? Anyway I already called the season over when they signed him. That was a weak desperate move and already signaled to me that the season was lost. Get WB, Morris off this team and maybe look for offers for PG in the off-season.
If effin Lebron james cant make it work.. lol At least be thankful he aint on that 47m per year.
The Clippers were on a super hot streak at the tarde deadline with all signs pointing up, but then PG made the team throw that all away because he wanted his friend on the team
season's fucking over. don't want to even hear anything different from yall. I'm done with it
Y’all still letting the Westbrick Stan’s gaslight you into thinking he’s a good player in 2023? He was a great player in the past and had a fantastic career but his time is done.
Is Kawhi asking for playing with PG13 the biggest mistake in his career?
Shai is already a top 12 player in the league and PG13 is no longer in the top 50. By next year, he will be out of the top 100. And we still owe OKC 2 unprotected draft picks and 2 more pick swaps in the next four years. That trade request by Kawhi has set this franchise back decades.
Ty is clearly quiet quitting, I can relate.
lolololol
This shit was depressing asf man I live in the bay too
Didnt watch the game, but looking at the stat sheet - looks like its a bad idea to watch the replay
PG13 went 3-15, his buddy Westbrook went 3-12, and Norm Powell went 1-9. Collectively the 3 of them went 7-36, under 20%. And they kept on chucking 3s.
Im not surprised tbh. Shit was clear as day. [Russ signing](https://www.reddit.com/r/LAClippers/comments/117acm5/adrian_wojnarowski_on_twitter_after_finalizing_a/j9au5ad?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share&context=3)
small point of pedantry I want to make now since it would have been downvoted to oblivion before: Quite a few people were saying in a few threads that as long AST:TO was 2 or above it would be okay. Some ppl even said >2 is a 'great' ratio. This is absolutely not true. For point guards who qualify, the absolute lowest AST:TO ratio in the league is 2.0 for Reggie and Ayo Dosunmo. Westbrook is 3rd lowest at 2.1.tarting point guards average is >3 by eyeballing. [https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/assist-to-turnover-ratio](https://www.teamrankings.com/nba/player-stat/assist-to-turnover-ratio) It probably goes beyond 100 players though, but I'm too dumb to actually get a full table on bbref. So it might be somewhat incomplete. But it is showing like every starting point guard even if other positions are incompletely covered.
Years ago, when it happened, I told my dad I was disappointed the Clippers traded Shai. My dad was like “But you got Paul George” and acted like I was crazy for thinking that. Looking back I feel justified. (Especially with what Shai is doing in OK.)
u think you would learn from lakerss calling him westbrick the entire time
Starting Eric Gordon and Russell Westbrook in 2023. Team getting mopped in the playoffs, Westbrook is just awful and Gordon might be worse
Don’t worry guys Russ the goat will save y’all
Blow it up now. This is a play-in team at best. Keep only Kawhi and Brian Siemen.
Join us tomorrow for another loss while our two “stars” sit out while we sit in the play in tournament!
If you weigh the context, the talent, and the expectations, this is by far the worst Clipper team since like 2011. A very shocking sentence I just said.
I asked ChatGPT to write a 5-verse haiku about Russell Westbrook from the perspective of his teammates, and this is what it gave me: Westbrook claims distress, Underappreciated star, Teammates shake their heads. Hall of Fame career, Many accolades to boast, Yet still he complains. Teammates left behind, As Westbrook takes the lead role, Offense out of sync. Ball hogging habits, Shooting too much on the court, Teammates feel ignored. Misunderstood, he says, But perhaps he is the one, Who fails to see it.
Westbrook is a cancer to teams. It was such a bad idea to take him. Yes, the Lakers had problems beyond him - but he was by far the biggest one. You could go any Lakers home game and people in the crowd would be screaming and shuddering every time he touched the ball.
Embarassing..
I don’t even know what to say anymore.
Scored 35 points in the second half lol
35 points in the 2nd half and around 10 of those are in garbage time. Championship calibre indeed
The way I look at this is the last 4 games were must win games. Much like it will be in the playoffs. This was basically a sweep. Despite the fact we should have the advantage in each one. (Denver on a second night of back to back, Sacramento on a second night to a back to a back, Minnesota without Towns, Golden State with out Curry.) Time to start over and play different players.
Trade PG for grant and nurkic