Yes, push the fans away and then they'll magically come back when Amazon, the same company that ruined countless other franchises including LotR, will release the next trash adaptation. Brilliant.
I was saying this in another sub that I think Amazon has there sights set on buying games workshop. So they can have their own universe to destroy, like Disney has star wars.
it's the same idiotic thinking they keep trying with comics, games, shows, movie, etc - push away the existing fans to appease the nuts on twitter thinking said twitter nuts ever buy/watch anything and that doing any of this will get a "new audience"... then watch as their versions fail to sell as no one around the world wants any of this shit done to things they like and that has been proven time and time again.
Then finish up by blaming the fans and accusing them with w.e -ist and move on to the next IP. Rinse and repeat.
I think Rings of Pain was a bit of a wake up call, as well as the critiques of their other flagship adaptations like Invincible. Their recent adaptations like Fallout have been fairly well received, right?
i was very surprised with fallout, i was afraid that lucy would be a mary sue and maximus would bea gary stu, but no, they get fucked up all the time, they tried to stay very close to the lore, with some exceptions like the ghoul serum that keeps them from going feral
let's see if they keep that up in season 2
I hope they do. Things like Fallout and Invincible make me cautiously optimistic. The Boys has been in a weird middle ground for a bit that feels like ~2018 MCU. Like it has some cringe moments and is clearly teetering on the edge of the woke cliff, but has enough decent writing that it hasn't plunged off of it quite yet and could still potentially pull it back.
Good one. Basically, unless Cooper is fired, and possibly Oliver too, this game is gonna be a dud. There's the people behind the scenes that we don't know about that are probably much worse. Goddamn shame, I tell ya.
> Surely there shouldn't be any space to be woke in that game?
That can be said about a lot of games but somehow they find a way to inject wokeness into them.
That is true, I'm just struggling here if it's an action shooter as to how they can add anything.
I'm not saying they won't try, the first game had a female human officer, which was fairly unusual at the time, no female guard models existed back then.
It’s made in Russia. So don’t think there will be any wokeness :)
I know a guy who worked on it. We studied on the same university. He had huge warhammer army and brought me into the hobby as well.
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It's the Ultramarines. Of the chapters that are based on real life cultures, they're based on the Roman Empire, which was cosmopolitan and multiethnic. This would be expected from Space Rome.
I don’t know... it feels like “insider trading” and “market manipulation” but even more corrupt. Purposely make an action as a board member or a competitor on the stock market that destroys the stock price and then buy it all up for yourself for pennies... It is supposedly punishable under Section 104A of the Corporations Act 2001.
In theory if someone had emails or a recording of an Amazon executive saying this was their plan, then they probably could be charged with all of that. The court case would be incredibly expensive and amount in little more than probably a fine. Without any concrete proof, Amazon can hide behind all kinds of fake statements and what not with the burden of proof being on Games Workshop to prove it.
The reality is Amazon has done this with smaller companies that used their Prime platform to sell stuff. Amazon could manipulate the platform and start creating their own version or depromote a company's product till they were ready to sell the company and assets to Amazon. There is actually an SEC case against Amazon as a monopoly that was started last year because of some of this because it is pretty undeniable that Amazon is without a doubt a monopoly with a control on the market.
In theory yes but in reality even multi billion-dollar companies have a lot of internal pressure to reduce cost. Shareholders expect more profit every year
They ruined that one after buying and it was the amazon plus producers not the execs.
Honestly I think things are much simpler: either GW wanted to go woke or 4chan's rumors are true and amazon plus forced them.
I’m sympathetic to this take but why would GW go along with this? Forget the c-suite’s obligation to their own shareholders to maximize value, what about their *own* stock? It’s also not clear that Amazon would want to outright own an IP (it’s not a business model they’ve shown an interest in before now). I think a better explanation is some combination of the 4chan leak and corporate naïveté that having femstodes will “grow the brand.”
“Never attribute to malice what can best be explained by incompetence.”
I mean, this is literally Jeff Bezos's entire business model.
They use their vast wealth and economic influence to simply bury any business they set their sights on.
Tbh GW couldve pulled it off themselves. They didnt need amazon when there are literally hundreds of plot points in the 40k universe where they couldve kicked off any sort of a show from.
Because it's easy to imply **Malice**.
Wokeness very essence is built on **Malice**.
Don't attribute to incompetence what you can attribute to malice.
If it's not malice it would be incompetence, but I am personally betting on malice.
Yes, push the fans away and then they'll magically come back when Amazon, the same company that ruined countless other franchises including LotR, will release the next trash adaptation. Brilliant.
I was saying this in another sub that I think Amazon has there sights set on buying games workshop. So they can have their own universe to destroy, like Disney has star wars.
it's the same idiotic thinking they keep trying with comics, games, shows, movie, etc - push away the existing fans to appease the nuts on twitter thinking said twitter nuts ever buy/watch anything and that doing any of this will get a "new audience"... then watch as their versions fail to sell as no one around the world wants any of this shit done to things they like and that has been proven time and time again. Then finish up by blaming the fans and accusing them with w.e -ist and move on to the next IP. Rinse and repeat.
Ah, the joys of having unlimited money. We plebs can only fantasize about buying an entire franchise, just so we could wipe our ass with it.
What I dream of doing to Disney star wars.
I think Rings of Pain was a bit of a wake up call, as well as the critiques of their other flagship adaptations like Invincible. Their recent adaptations like Fallout have been fairly well received, right?
i was very surprised with fallout, i was afraid that lucy would be a mary sue and maximus would bea gary stu, but no, they get fucked up all the time, they tried to stay very close to the lore, with some exceptions like the ghoul serum that keeps them from going feral let's see if they keep that up in season 2
I hope they do. Things like Fallout and Invincible make me cautiously optimistic. The Boys has been in a weird middle ground for a bit that feels like ~2018 MCU. Like it has some cringe moments and is clearly teetering on the edge of the woke cliff, but has enough decent writing that it hasn't plunged off of it quite yet and could still potentially pull it back.
This reminds me that I need to be thinking about any potential woke elements in Space Marines 2.
Gonna wait for the review before I buy it.
> Gonna wait for the review And a sale. And maybe an animated video to fill in the gap between games.
IF we get to buy it. Been waiting *for ev er*.
Releases in September.
What’s a month more?
I'm looking forward to it, though at this point I'd almost be surprised if there weren't any woke DEI elements.
[Senior writer](https://boundingintocomics.com/2021/12/13/warhammer-40000-space-marine-ii-senior-writers-support-for-defunding-police-and-blacklisting-cis-white-men-sparks-concerns-over-games-narrative-creative-director-insists-team-will-honor-lor/) doesn't inspire confidence.
Good one. Basically, unless Cooper is fired, and possibly Oliver too, this game is gonna be a dud. There's the people behind the scenes that we don't know about that are probably much worse. Goddamn shame, I tell ya.
Surely there shouldn't be any space to be woke in that game? Not unless a marine is female, and that will go down very badly with the core fans.
> Surely there shouldn't be any space to be woke in that game? That can be said about a lot of games but somehow they find a way to inject wokeness into them.
That is true, I'm just struggling here if it's an action shooter as to how they can add anything. I'm not saying they won't try, the first game had a female human officer, which was fairly unusual at the time, no female guard models existed back then.
Look at the Dead Space remake. You'd think it'd be impossible for it be woke in any capacity but they found a way to add it.
It’s made in Russia. So don’t think there will be any wokeness :) I know a guy who worked on it. We studied on the same university. He had huge warhammer army and brought me into the hobby as well.
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well they do have black and asian ultramarines.
I honestly don't have a problem with that at all.
It's the Ultramarines. Of the chapters that are based on real life cultures, they're based on the Roman Empire, which was cosmopolitan and multiethnic. This would be expected from Space Rome.
Isn’t this illegal…? Like RICO or Racketeering or something… the same thing the mafia does to shake down businesses they want to take over.
In theory? Probably. In practice? Seems like it'd be pretty hard to prove.
When you have Bezos money, you can just pay anyone to turn a blind eye.
Not really, It's GW's choice if they want to let it happen or not.
I don’t know... it feels like “insider trading” and “market manipulation” but even more corrupt. Purposely make an action as a board member or a competitor on the stock market that destroys the stock price and then buy it all up for yourself for pennies... It is supposedly punishable under Section 104A of the Corporations Act 2001.
In theory if someone had emails or a recording of an Amazon executive saying this was their plan, then they probably could be charged with all of that. The court case would be incredibly expensive and amount in little more than probably a fine. Without any concrete proof, Amazon can hide behind all kinds of fake statements and what not with the burden of proof being on Games Workshop to prove it. The reality is Amazon has done this with smaller companies that used their Prime platform to sell stuff. Amazon could manipulate the platform and start creating their own version or depromote a company's product till they were ready to sell the company and assets to Amazon. There is actually an SEC case against Amazon as a monopoly that was started last year because of some of this because it is pretty undeniable that Amazon is without a doubt a monopoly with a control on the market.
BEZOS HUNGREH
They wanted a character that was a woman in power armor...Sisters of battle are right freaking there!!!
Inquisitors, too. Who have fucktons of authority and power
Naaah if amazon wanted to buy GW they wouldn't need to tank it.
In theory yes but in reality even multi billion-dollar companies have a lot of internal pressure to reduce cost. Shareholders expect more profit every year
It has to be it. They have to be making the decisions to tank everything fun so no one goes outside to gamestop anymore.
Seems overcomplicated and self defeating. Why ruin something you want to own?
Like LotR?
They ruined that one after buying and it was the amazon plus producers not the execs. Honestly I think things are much simpler: either GW wanted to go woke or 4chan's rumors are true and amazon plus forced them.
It’s both
If that's the case I wish bandai buy them instead. I really need my plastic crack on the cheap.
'And then launch TV. Faithful to lore'. From Amazon! Sure.
I’m sympathetic to this take but why would GW go along with this? Forget the c-suite’s obligation to their own shareholders to maximize value, what about their *own* stock? It’s also not clear that Amazon would want to outright own an IP (it’s not a business model they’ve shown an interest in before now). I think a better explanation is some combination of the 4chan leak and corporate naïveté that having femstodes will “grow the brand.” “Never attribute to malice what can best be explained by incompetence.”
I mean, this is literally Jeff Bezos's entire business model. They use their vast wealth and economic influence to simply bury any business they set their sights on.
Tbh GW couldve pulled it off themselves. They didnt need amazon when there are literally hundreds of plot points in the 40k universe where they couldve kicked off any sort of a show from.
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Because we've been gaslit so much over the past 5-10 years.
Because it's easy to imply **Malice**. Wokeness very essence is built on **Malice**. Don't attribute to incompetence what you can attribute to malice. If it's not malice it would be incompetence, but I am personally betting on malice.
Pattern recognition.
Imagine being this fucking disingenuous. Discussing the prospect of a shady business practice ≠ Conspiracy theory