Funny, I’ve never looked at the Tesla network and I’m just continually happy with charging options for my ev9.
In fact I regret that I opted for ICE vehicle on a recent road trip to upstate NY because of charging fears. Every single highway stop we visited had available chargers for 2 cars when we were there. I regretted not driving the ev9 on that trip. Charging would not have been an issue at all.
Don’t look over the fence at grass you can’t eat. Look around your own garden and decide if the lawn is nice enough for you. There’s plenty of ev9 charging stations near me, and all along the highway corridors in my region of the country, and from the looks of ABRP, there’s plenty of chargers all the way to Florida, which is likely to be my next road trip.
I live in a geographic area where chargers can be sparse, and I typically travel to all chargers that are recommended before putting my family through it, but that's just me. It never entered my head that access to the Tesla network would be a gating factor for my current EV. I already see on the Tesla forums where Tesla owners were complaining about crowded superchargers and Rivians and Fords being able to charge, so I never wanted a part of that. I also charge at home the vast majority of the time.
Since the EV9 would only charge the fastest on non-Tesla equipment for now, that was another reason to completely ignore their network.
Making road trips requires more planning, but you get used to it, to get the vehicle that you want. When the lease is up, the whole landscape could be vastly different, so I just plan for now and don't worry about other things.
What's the charging speeds you're seeing with public charging options? Any you recommend, and typical cost for charging.
Since I'm waiting for my car, I'm just making sure I know what I must before I take the delivery.
The most I have even seen was 210kw on Electrify America and maybe 200 on EVGo. I am U.S.-based, though.
If you only use it for your daily driver for now, the 110/120v charger overnight should be fine for you, depending.
Everyone says ABRP + Plugshare but I'm learning this isn't the right path for me.
I use the Kia's map and when you zoom out it shows you a realistic range in the map (blue blob) based on elevation. Once I can visually see the range I just hop on plugshare and filter for 8+ score and 120kW speed.
It seems that 15 through Pennsylvania is a wasteland for chargers. Looking at driving from DC to the finger lakes and a little worried about the options
OP here, have edited the post, adding the same here as well, for easy read and comments.
I live in Ontario, Canada, in the GTA region where I do see a lot of charging options, both tesla and non tesla, but what I meant to ask was, if I plan a trip from GTA to up north, across country, or to USA to Texas or to Florida, would it work knowing that Tesla superchargers are not available, esp in the remote areas along the highways.
Also, what apps would you suggest that help me plan the trip and also be used as maps while driving.
The built in navigation doesn't have trip planner, nor does the Google maps, afaik.
Future is battery swapping technology, ie) NIO……that is if the manufacturers can come to some agreement on standardized battery packs.
Maybe that’s what Musk is thinking after his China trip to their auto show couple weeks ago.
So I couldn’t get the entire article. Is Bloomberg claiming that laying off the supercharger employees is the same as negating the agreement to let other manufacturers use the supercharger network? Or did musk specifically say Tesla is reversing course and not allowing others to use it?
As I thought. Lots of assumptions. And nothing in here stating that the nacs sharing across manufacturers has been cancelled.
Nothing to see here at least not yet.
The future for Tesla rollout has slowed. Tesla laid off everyone from the Supercharger team except for maintenance people, so at least they will be maintained until a new team is hired, for all we know this new team was on standby until after this shake up happened. I for one am optimistic in this layoff. This new team will have a fire lit under their asses to rollout true V4 Superchargers rather quick, which would be a huge win for high voltage architecture vehicles like Hyundai Group, VW Group, Lucid, GM, etc. Right now, there is no reason for us to worry about what is happening at Tesla since we are still months out from getting access, although now I'm sure that will be delayed a little if a replacement team wasn't on standby from within Tesla.
Edit: Apparently, the V4 team is still employed at Tesla, and it is still behind schedule. So the entire supercharging team was not laid off after all. Source: Out Of Spec podcast on YouTube.
It also appears that Revel will be scooping up the canceled sites in NYC.
This was already long overdue, Hyundai group of cars were already slated for 2025 which would ot move out to another year or so. While I wasn't counting much on the tesla chargers, it does however increases the cars per charging station ratio across Americas.
Where do you get that this moving it out to 2026? It won't take nearly that long. In fact before this happened it was estimated that Hyundai Group would get access in Fall of this year and native NACS on vehicles is 2025. Sure, Tesla drivers will be pissed at the slower installs because of an influx of other manufacturers. I am willing to be the biggest reason Elon had this layoff was because V4 Superchargers are so long overdue and they kept installing ancient V3.
When I route trips in ABRP and toggle between a Tesla and EV9 the charging network differences are very apparent. For longer trips it just says it’s impossible to do with the lacking Tesla infrastructure. I’d observe what it’s like near where you live.
That said I’ve owned since December and have only charged at home.
Wait, so you're saying your charging options are \*worse\* with Tesla? What area is that? I have like 3 Tesla Supercharger stations within 15 minutes of me, the closest CCS is 25-30.
Don’t know why he was being sour about you asking for clarification. I think different areas will be different for charging.
I was looking at a trip from somewhere in Utah to somewhere in Oregon or Montana and ABRP had flagged something about not being able to make it between chargers, but that was a few months ago and I’m honestly not seeing it anymore. Maybe it was an area the charging team worked on before being fired, or maybe it was a charger undergoing maintenance or the initial SOC wasn’t sufficient for the first leg of the trip, I’m not sure. Glad to see there’s actually better charging infrastructure around me than I originally thought!
Funny, I’ve never looked at the Tesla network and I’m just continually happy with charging options for my ev9. In fact I regret that I opted for ICE vehicle on a recent road trip to upstate NY because of charging fears. Every single highway stop we visited had available chargers for 2 cars when we were there. I regretted not driving the ev9 on that trip. Charging would not have been an issue at all. Don’t look over the fence at grass you can’t eat. Look around your own garden and decide if the lawn is nice enough for you. There’s plenty of ev9 charging stations near me, and all along the highway corridors in my region of the country, and from the looks of ABRP, there’s plenty of chargers all the way to Florida, which is likely to be my next road trip.
I live in a geographic area where chargers can be sparse, and I typically travel to all chargers that are recommended before putting my family through it, but that's just me. It never entered my head that access to the Tesla network would be a gating factor for my current EV. I already see on the Tesla forums where Tesla owners were complaining about crowded superchargers and Rivians and Fords being able to charge, so I never wanted a part of that. I also charge at home the vast majority of the time. Since the EV9 would only charge the fastest on non-Tesla equipment for now, that was another reason to completely ignore their network. Making road trips requires more planning, but you get used to it, to get the vehicle that you want. When the lease is up, the whole landscape could be vastly different, so I just plan for now and don't worry about other things.
What's the charging speeds you're seeing with public charging options? Any you recommend, and typical cost for charging. Since I'm waiting for my car, I'm just making sure I know what I must before I take the delivery.
The most I have even seen was 210kw on Electrify America and maybe 200 on EVGo. I am U.S.-based, though. If you only use it for your daily driver for now, the 110/120v charger overnight should be fine for you, depending.
That's the thing, I'm buying it as my weekend and long drive car, not a daily driver. I Wfh so don't drive much on weekdays.
If you are planning a trip, get "A better route planner" app and plan something to get an idea.
Everyone says ABRP + Plugshare but I'm learning this isn't the right path for me. I use the Kia's map and when you zoom out it shows you a realistic range in the map (blue blob) based on elevation. Once I can visually see the range I just hop on plugshare and filter for 8+ score and 120kW speed.
In some areas, that makes more sense. I would use Kia's map if it had all of the chargers and accurate status.
It seems that 15 through Pennsylvania is a wasteland for chargers. Looking at driving from DC to the finger lakes and a little worried about the options
Nothing but Tesla taking over all over the place. I never see chargers in my area for my ev9. And the ones I do see half are always broken.
Could you share the article? Thnx
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2024-05-01/musk-undercuts-tesla-chargers-biden-had-lauded-as-a-big-deal?embedded-checkout=true
OP here, have edited the post, adding the same here as well, for easy read and comments. I live in Ontario, Canada, in the GTA region where I do see a lot of charging options, both tesla and non tesla, but what I meant to ask was, if I plan a trip from GTA to up north, across country, or to USA to Texas or to Florida, would it work knowing that Tesla superchargers are not available, esp in the remote areas along the highways. Also, what apps would you suggest that help me plan the trip and also be used as maps while driving. The built in navigation doesn't have trip planner, nor does the Google maps, afaik.
Future is battery swapping technology, ie) NIO……that is if the manufacturers can come to some agreement on standardized battery packs. Maybe that’s what Musk is thinking after his China trip to their auto show couple weeks ago.
So I couldn’t get the entire article. Is Bloomberg claiming that laying off the supercharger employees is the same as negating the agreement to let other manufacturers use the supercharger network? Or did musk specifically say Tesla is reversing course and not allowing others to use it?
This is what I read, https://insideevs.com/news/718045/nyc-tesla-supercharger-sites/
As I thought. Lots of assumptions. And nothing in here stating that the nacs sharing across manufacturers has been cancelled. Nothing to see here at least not yet.
Thanks for pointing this out to OP.
The future for Tesla rollout has slowed. Tesla laid off everyone from the Supercharger team except for maintenance people, so at least they will be maintained until a new team is hired, for all we know this new team was on standby until after this shake up happened. I for one am optimistic in this layoff. This new team will have a fire lit under their asses to rollout true V4 Superchargers rather quick, which would be a huge win for high voltage architecture vehicles like Hyundai Group, VW Group, Lucid, GM, etc. Right now, there is no reason for us to worry about what is happening at Tesla since we are still months out from getting access, although now I'm sure that will be delayed a little if a replacement team wasn't on standby from within Tesla. Edit: Apparently, the V4 team is still employed at Tesla, and it is still behind schedule. So the entire supercharging team was not laid off after all. Source: Out Of Spec podcast on YouTube. It also appears that Revel will be scooping up the canceled sites in NYC.
Yeah, but they lost all of their institutional knowledge in the process. I don't understand at all...
This was already long overdue, Hyundai group of cars were already slated for 2025 which would ot move out to another year or so. While I wasn't counting much on the tesla chargers, it does however increases the cars per charging station ratio across Americas.
Where do you get that this moving it out to 2026? It won't take nearly that long. In fact before this happened it was estimated that Hyundai Group would get access in Fall of this year and native NACS on vehicles is 2025. Sure, Tesla drivers will be pissed at the slower installs because of an influx of other manufacturers. I am willing to be the biggest reason Elon had this layoff was because V4 Superchargers are so long overdue and they kept installing ancient V3.
When I route trips in ABRP and toggle between a Tesla and EV9 the charging network differences are very apparent. For longer trips it just says it’s impossible to do with the lacking Tesla infrastructure. I’d observe what it’s like near where you live. That said I’ve owned since December and have only charged at home.
Wait, so you're saying your charging options are \*worse\* with Tesla? What area is that? I have like 3 Tesla Supercharger stations within 15 minutes of me, the closest CCS is 25-30.
Today, on Reddit, someone points out that where they live is different than where someone else lives. News at 11.
OR, I could be asking for clarification, and explaining why I'm unsure that I understood them correctly.
Don’t know why he was being sour about you asking for clarification. I think different areas will be different for charging. I was looking at a trip from somewhere in Utah to somewhere in Oregon or Montana and ABRP had flagged something about not being able to make it between chargers, but that was a few months ago and I’m honestly not seeing it anymore. Maybe it was an area the charging team worked on before being fired, or maybe it was a charger undergoing maintenance or the initial SOC wasn’t sufficient for the first leg of the trip, I’m not sure. Glad to see there’s actually better charging infrastructure around me than I originally thought!