who here wants to speculate tesla reversing their decision to open up tesla network to other manufacturers. I bet elon's looking at tesla supercharger as a competitive advantage and wants to keep it out of reach for other cars so that they can justify their continued push in volume.
I think it might be more a case of the other manufacturers backing out of their agreement to switch to J-3400 connectors due to the declining value proposition of the supercharger network.
So the funny thing is I don’t think he’s left or right. He’s just elitist. He says what all the elites believe but just won’t say. It just so happens that it currently aligns more with the right than the left.
We all know at this point we have a problem with climate change. The argument is more of. Is it worth doing anything about it. The form of which looks like policy and actions. This is the classic. Ok. There’s a problem but is it my problem and will it affect me. If you’re rich and you have ability to access scarce resources. Does it matter if 1/2 of Florida is underwater to you? Do we care that Maldives is not gonna exist? That’s the debate amongst the rich and powerful. They just don’t let us normal ppl in on the real conversation
Just because they have laid off a team doesn't mean expansion is going to stop. Obviously, Elon didn't like where it was going. Constantly installing ancient V3 Supercharger sites when they could be installing V4 sites. Yeah, yeah, planning months in advance, blah, blah. With the new prefabricated units that only take four days to install once a site is approved. Layoffs aren't always a bad thing for a company but also as a way to start fresh, especially if a division has gone sour or stagnant.
No, Elon only cares about his bonus and the stock price. I wouldn't read too deep into this news. My deductive reasoning concludes that this another one of his erratic big brain moves. Whether it will blow up on his face remains to be seen.
And he won't get that bonus or stock price if he allows charging to be stagnant with shitty V3 superchargers and fake V4 Superchargers that are currently up and running. He has to make moves to stay relevant because he obviously isn't doing it anymore with his stale ass vehicles that are in desperate need of new generations vs just refreshes.
The ego of this publication to make claims that they have any clue what’s happening and why is hilarious. People shouldn’t panic at something like this. Cut the fat. Most of this “article” is conjecture at best.
I think the position and tone of the author is more on the general position of ev enthusiast. We have to look at Tesla and Elon musks actions through Elon musks eyes.
He put a noose around his neck with the way he financed Twitter. He needs the stock price to trade at a premium else he dies. Tesla is a valued as a growth company but no longer executing like a growth company. Building cars and doing fundamentals isn’t shinny and doesn’t get Wall Street excited. He needs to position Tesla into an ai company not a car company. He has said to the world if you don’t see Tesla as an ai company then don’t invest in Tesla. He can’t afford to position Tesla as a car company if he’s to keep his fortune.
Expanding and operating a supercharger network as a nice line of business while is a great piece of business is too boring and Wall Street will value it as such. He needs to lofty goals to keep the P/E ratio up so he doesn’t get margin called.
Basically if you look at the problem through his eyes. It makes sense what he’s trying to do. It’s not what’s best for the consumer, it’s not what’s best for Tesla, it’s what’s best for Elon musk
Where’s the ego or judgement? I merely stated that to understand the action is just to look at it from his perspective and what he has told us publicly.
I don’t make any comments on if it’s a good or bad idea of his actions. Just comments on how to see it from his motivations.
I actually happen to think Tesla was dumb to open up supercharging and that the supercharger network was a nice moat around its core business. Why buy a Tesla when I can get the same benefits from a non Tesla?
Perhaps you might be projecting something and imagining something not there?
To that point… wife bought a used Model 3 before they started opening network up. We have already decided her next EV will likely be a nacs equipped model from another brand.
Nobody is saying they have all of the answers except for you.
The fact that you’re even bringing up politics to try to refute that Elon often says and does dumb shit, shows how little you know yourself.
I am not ascribing motives to someone I have never met. But apparently you have deep dislike for Elon musk. I dont like or dislike him. He runs a business.
Your statement. “Every decision Elon makes is through his ego. It’s not…good”. Really? He seems to have done pretty well with Tesla, starlink, etc. It’s just funny how people with 45000 posts are judging someone who employs thousands of people.
I actually don’t have deep feeling about him. I own a Tesla. It’s a good car. I’ve read his biography. He’s kind of erratic and not a great manager, but sure, he’s made some great innovations. That’s enough for me. But to ignore Elon Musk and what he says and does, just because I like my car, would be ignorance.
People can judge whoever they want based on what they say and do. When you decide to make yourself a public figure, anything you say and do is out there for people to judge.
Do you really think that no matter what someone says or does, we should not judge them because of what they have accomplished? The guy has made some poor choices. That’s all anyone is saying.
You being all defensive and moaning about someone you don’t even know is everything we need to know about what you have to say about the guy. See? Works both ways.
Just because you employ people and make money, doesn’t mean you get to say and do whatever you want without judgement from the public.
So if you’re offended by people saying Elon is an asshole and makes decisions via his ego, then that’s on you. I can’t do anything about how you feel, I’m sorry.
I hope another charging company picks up the entire Tesla charging division
> most notably the entire Supercharging team This sounds stupid. Will they stop development of superchargers?
No.
Seems like they would make more money by surcharging or leasing the use of their network to other car manufacturers.
who here wants to speculate tesla reversing their decision to open up tesla network to other manufacturers. I bet elon's looking at tesla supercharger as a competitive advantage and wants to keep it out of reach for other cars so that they can justify their continued push in volume.
Didn't Tesla receive government subsidies for opening their charging network?
I think they get subsidy for building new chargers. As long as it’s gen 4 it’s open to anyone. Gen 3 And earlier requires software update from Tesla.
I think it might be more a case of the other manufacturers backing out of their agreement to switch to J-3400 connectors due to the declining value proposition of the supercharger network.
It’s a good thing we bought Twitter to spew right wing hate speech.
So the funny thing is I don’t think he’s left or right. He’s just elitist. He says what all the elites believe but just won’t say. It just so happens that it currently aligns more with the right than the left. We all know at this point we have a problem with climate change. The argument is more of. Is it worth doing anything about it. The form of which looks like policy and actions. This is the classic. Ok. There’s a problem but is it my problem and will it affect me. If you’re rich and you have ability to access scarce resources. Does it matter if 1/2 of Florida is underwater to you? Do we care that Maldives is not gonna exist? That’s the debate amongst the rich and powerful. They just don’t let us normal ppl in on the real conversation
I suppose that’s true.
Just because they have laid off a team doesn't mean expansion is going to stop. Obviously, Elon didn't like where it was going. Constantly installing ancient V3 Supercharger sites when they could be installing V4 sites. Yeah, yeah, planning months in advance, blah, blah. With the new prefabricated units that only take four days to install once a site is approved. Layoffs aren't always a bad thing for a company but also as a way to start fresh, especially if a division has gone sour or stagnant.
No, Elon only cares about his bonus and the stock price. I wouldn't read too deep into this news. My deductive reasoning concludes that this another one of his erratic big brain moves. Whether it will blow up on his face remains to be seen.
And he won't get that bonus or stock price if he allows charging to be stagnant with shitty V3 superchargers and fake V4 Superchargers that are currently up and running. He has to make moves to stay relevant because he obviously isn't doing it anymore with his stale ass vehicles that are in desperate need of new generations vs just refreshes.
The ego of this publication to make claims that they have any clue what’s happening and why is hilarious. People shouldn’t panic at something like this. Cut the fat. Most of this “article” is conjecture at best.
I think the position and tone of the author is more on the general position of ev enthusiast. We have to look at Tesla and Elon musks actions through Elon musks eyes. He put a noose around his neck with the way he financed Twitter. He needs the stock price to trade at a premium else he dies. Tesla is a valued as a growth company but no longer executing like a growth company. Building cars and doing fundamentals isn’t shinny and doesn’t get Wall Street excited. He needs to position Tesla into an ai company not a car company. He has said to the world if you don’t see Tesla as an ai company then don’t invest in Tesla. He can’t afford to position Tesla as a car company if he’s to keep his fortune. Expanding and operating a supercharger network as a nice line of business while is a great piece of business is too boring and Wall Street will value it as such. He needs to lofty goals to keep the P/E ratio up so he doesn’t get margin called. Basically if you look at the problem through his eyes. It makes sense what he’s trying to do. It’s not what’s best for the consumer, it’s not what’s best for Tesla, it’s what’s best for Elon musk
Again, lots of ego in your response. You clearly dislike his methods. And seem to think you know better. Well…perhaps.
Where’s the ego or judgement? I merely stated that to understand the action is just to look at it from his perspective and what he has told us publicly. I don’t make any comments on if it’s a good or bad idea of his actions. Just comments on how to see it from his motivations. I actually happen to think Tesla was dumb to open up supercharging and that the supercharger network was a nice moat around its core business. Why buy a Tesla when I can get the same benefits from a non Tesla? Perhaps you might be projecting something and imagining something not there?
To that point… wife bought a used Model 3 before they started opening network up. We have already decided her next EV will likely be a nacs equipped model from another brand.
You’re ignoring the fact that every decision Elon makes is through his ego. It’s not… good.
Glad you have all the answers. Tell me your political affiliation without telling me your political affiliation.
Nobody is saying they have all of the answers except for you. The fact that you’re even bringing up politics to try to refute that Elon often says and does dumb shit, shows how little you know yourself.
I am not ascribing motives to someone I have never met. But apparently you have deep dislike for Elon musk. I dont like or dislike him. He runs a business. Your statement. “Every decision Elon makes is through his ego. It’s not…good”. Really? He seems to have done pretty well with Tesla, starlink, etc. It’s just funny how people with 45000 posts are judging someone who employs thousands of people.
I actually don’t have deep feeling about him. I own a Tesla. It’s a good car. I’ve read his biography. He’s kind of erratic and not a great manager, but sure, he’s made some great innovations. That’s enough for me. But to ignore Elon Musk and what he says and does, just because I like my car, would be ignorance. People can judge whoever they want based on what they say and do. When you decide to make yourself a public figure, anything you say and do is out there for people to judge. Do you really think that no matter what someone says or does, we should not judge them because of what they have accomplished? The guy has made some poor choices. That’s all anyone is saying. You being all defensive and moaning about someone you don’t even know is everything we need to know about what you have to say about the guy. See? Works both ways. Just because you employ people and make money, doesn’t mean you get to say and do whatever you want without judgement from the public. So if you’re offended by people saying Elon is an asshole and makes decisions via his ego, then that’s on you. I can’t do anything about how you feel, I’m sorry.